The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 2: Keyon Dooling? (feat. Amin Elhassan)

Episode Date: November 25, 2025

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But you say no that kind of thing The same way that you don't Have a new back in my day this week Hello What are you say? You're plugging on a show of Greg Cody's show with Greg Cody When you were younger,

Paneteen Ethel Merman took the world by storm Just like the he-haw three All of your sayings Run through us like Jim Fixed Reminds. Yeah, oh. Dolphins are alive.

Diana said that you were right. So, Dirk says he's sorry forever doubting your fire so you can have a grin of of a donkey eating briars. It's a mule. It's a mule. It's a mule.

It's the same according to Greg. No, there's a difference. No, there's a difference. A donkey is a dumber animal by virtue of it being two syllables. The mule is the one eating briars. Chris, can you get for me, please, just the two dueling sounds of your father? Hello. With Rose's honk from being pepper sprayed.

Such a great sound. Hello. Which one? If we had a tournament of sounds, which would win? Because Rose being pepper sprayed, like, that's not the sound you'd expect with that. That wasn't that at the Ohio State game? Is that where she was? It was on the field?

Is that Rose being pepper sprayed or being a tenter? by a giant bird of prey. Or is that the bird of prey? Is that the bird of prey excavating roses orbital bone? That's an attacking bird, is it not? I need your support. Wait, how'd that sneak in there? So I have in front of me before we get to a means weekend observation.

By the way, the Carolina Panthers scored nine last night. The Florida Panthers scored eight. No time for them today. It concludes real or fake podcast. I'll get back to it. I've got one more day before the holidays. Yeah, but now it's an uneven number. Let's go through legend or not a legend with Jonathan Zusset.

It's my new favorite game right now. I'm good at this. You're good at this. Okay. Curtis Stevenson. No. The captain held down middays. I don't know about that.

Okay. Jeff DeForest. Yes. The dime? Sid Rosenberg. No. Wow. It's not a South Florida legend.

The Great Mike Bonicle. Ed Kaplan. Yes. Easy. Eddie K. Deuces Rogers. Wow. Tough one?

No. Might be a Philadelphia legend at this point. Not tough. Just didn't expect to hear the name. Deuce is wild. Brendan. Tobin? Yes.

You're a little close to this one. Your voice went high up there. Yeah, what happened there? I had to think about it for a second, but I'm going to go yes. What happened there? We're approaching year 20 for Brendan. I just think about it as all. He's my favorite local guy right now.

He's also the best. Mine's a big dog. I mean, I have a soft spot in my heart for the big dog. Listen to him every morning. Every morning. It just works out my schedule. Every morning. One of my favorite things, though, on the drive home, is texting Leroy Horde because he'll

read anything I text him on air. So I'd just like to play the little game of. Can he, will he read this on air? Sometimes it doesn't even reference my name. He'll just, like, react to my text. It's great. Like as if you're texting the show. Leroy Horde.

I'm going, yes. Been on the air long enough. No. Hello. Hesitation. Hello. I don't know what happened. There was a lot of math being done there.

A lot of math being done in his head. Been in the year a long time. Rose Bowl MVP? Rose Bowl MVP? But that sounded like you were right on the edge. Phil Shane. No. Whoa.

He is a soccer legend in the States, but not a Miami. Chris Whittingham. Oh, that's... I think the same applies. Yeah, I'm going no, too. Soccer legend. Yeah, correct. Correct.

Not a Miami sports legend. Yeah. If he would have put in a... He hasn't put in the time. If he put him more time here, but all I know about him is he's a quitter. Whoa. Quitty. Quitty.

Whoa. He left afternoon drive on 7-9 a ticket as well. He's a quitter. Mainly just an odd dude. Mainly. Job jumper. Wait a minute. Wait, that descended.

An important note. When talking Whitty, you got to just bring it into the conversation. He's a strange bird. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. alarm clock is stove. I'm not, I'm not. The stove? Who can forget that?

He swallowed every piece of gum he ever had. That's crazy. He never has spit out gum. He's like, yeah, I don't spit out. I swallow it. I'm like, oh, that's gross. Got confused. That's why it's a no.

Wait a minute. Yeah. No, yeah. It never had a Snickers bar until like two years ago. Yeah, we did that on air. That was, while a short-lived era, I believe the witty era. Chris Whittingham is a fancy lad. means you disrespect him as a nominee for this category.

I believe that in South Florida history, if you're executive producing this show and you're giving it all your weirdnesses, he had a Sandy Cofax run through the industry that's not a... Dan, Chris has already been longer than Whitty was for EP. More tenure. Legend is a really strong word.

Am I a legend locally? I need you to ask it. Can't ask himself. Is Chris Cody a legend? Yes. Wow. I don't even believe that. I think so because he got fired from his

that's his greatest achievement, getting fired. It's crazy. Is Roy Bellamy a legend? Yes. Is Jeremy Tashay a legend? Not yet. He's got two Emmys. Nope.

Okay. Not long enough. Remember though. If you think you're family. If he didn't do that Eskimo thing, to you, which was out of line. I agree. Yeah, I'm sorry for that.

Okay, I'll think about your problem. Jimmy Cephalo. I mean... I think he sucks, but the answer is yes. Yeah, that's putting his white hat on the hat rack right there. I got to take my own personal bias out. I think he sucks, but the answer is yes.

That's because I have credibility. Integrity. But he's a really bad play-by-play guy. Just, like, really bad. I've heard that about him. I think what you guys did was mean here to Trevor Murray and Eric Reed. What? The other one?

You read. You got to have some yes and no. What? I think Eric Reed, the other one was mean. I don't think that it was something. Oh, wait a minute. The Big O. Did I say the Big O? Did I ask him about the Big O?

No, you didn't ask me. Is that a no? Yes. Absolutely. Yes, it's a no? No. Yes. Yes.

No, yes, yes. No? Big O's definitely South Florida legend, of course. It is at the Senior Bowl without him. Omar Kelly? No. That guy's a douche. I already said no.

Armando Salgaro? Yeah. Yeah. The legend. He is? South Florida legend. This is not just radio. This is just South Florida.

Well, wait a minute. I wasn't just doing it. Wait a minute. Deuces Rogers. I thought, who gets the television category? Because you got Jim Barry, you got Steve Shapiro. Steve Shapiro's all time. How many?

But who are the legends in the? Is Drew Rosenhaus now a legend? Yeah. Yeah, of course. Of course. Who else is a media? Kim Bo Camper. Oh, he's got... Kim Bo Camper. Once you put your name on a restaurant in the Fort Lauderdale airport,

you are Kim Bo Camper forever, living off those linebacker gnarled fingers for 50 years. Harry Forearms. Get that burger, though. A lot of them are closing down. Is Will Mansow a legend? Yeah. I agree. A lot of them are closing down.

The one by my house closed. Jorge Sedano. Yeah, of course. He's been in L.A. longer than he's been in Miami. Cale. You can be a legend in two different places. Is he an L.A. legend? I don't know. I don't live

in L.A. Don't ask me something like that. Anita Marks. No. Joy Taylor. Yes, of course. Major impact. That's my home girl. I can't believe you took Frito out. I have four more podcasts if you like to do that.

Let's do it. Okay. I'm sorry I cut you all. I'm excited about this list. come on legend come on come on legend don't let me down after that this is why you're a legend Chris all right Dan for the record what would your answer have been on wingmen

featuring Matthew and Brady could check I would have said that's not a podcast factor back with William Floyd I don't know who that is you don't know who William Floyd is a no ball he doesn't know that fool William Floyd's one of the greatest fullbacks ever that implies it's real I'm going not real

I would have heard it No but no but he's old and he wasn't that interesting He covers FSU still It wasn't that interesting He's got plenty of opinions He's got he's he don't remember him as an FSU Running back and a San Francisco 49ers Talk to me

Carolina you don't have any idea We're talking about Factorback That is not a podcast That doesn't exist That no He wasn't interesting as a player I'm not even sure

He wasn't much of a talker You can't remember He's in the media covers FSU. That's a Colt, by the way. It's a fake podcast. Straight to Cam with Cameron Brink, real or fake? Dan, you go first. I'm going to guess that that's real. I mean, she definitely has a podcast, but I don't think that's the name.

But your history here has not been, yes, they have a podcast, but you fake the name. I've done that before. You have? I have. Yeah, but I would assume that she's good in the media space and that she's got her own properties. So yeah, I would assume that you, and I would assume that it's popular, no? Yeah, you know what? I'm going to go, yes. It is real. Blue line with Chris Pronger. You know, when you guys, like, give a real breakdown of this, it's not as fun. Just say real or fake

podcast. Okay, so here's the thing, though. Mike, look, look, I don't want to show off that I can properly guess whether it's a podcast that I haven't listened to it. I do. He played for the blues. That right there is just a funny name. No, but that's the only reason you, that is not a podcast. Chris Pronger? The defenseman It's a funny name He's a funny physical specimen He's huge

He wasn't somebody that I particularly Enjoyed talking And I don't think he'd decide To get into the entertainment industry I'm going to know You spoke to Chris Pronger And you didn't tell us He specifically didn't enjoy Chris Bronger talking

That's what he's saying Chris Pronger does media I thought as an interview He wasn't a particularly good interview He covers the game for ESPN I'm guessing no that that's not a podcast Did you do one of those? when he spoke to Chris Bronger?

Did I ruin it? Whatever you're done with a podcast I want an interview if it's going poorly, it's just like, all right, thank you for joining us, Chris. Blue Line with Chris Pronger is a fake one. All right, here we go.

The crossover with Keon Dueling. Yes. No. No, I don't think that that's a podcast. The answer is yes. It's a key undoing. Tony, do you want to tell him? KD.

Me and KD. Yeah, I think Tony. On the crossover, Tony's all that. Tony does a podcast with Keyon duing. Me and Kion's a podcast. He co-hosts that show, The Crossroads. Out every Monday and Thursday. Keon dueling.

He hasn't heard of Tony's podcast. It's a real podcast with 10-day Tony and Keon dueling. Dan said it with the tone of something he would never listen to. Ever. That's fine. And clearly he hasn't. It wasn't just him. It was like, who else would listen to that?

That has to be fake. And thank God for the setup and us being resolute in playing this game. Because we have just given Danny great shame. You have. Better than me. Well, so yes. Do you want to apologize to Tony? Not yet.

I mean, I don't support him. You don't have to apologize. It's fine. I don't think any of you... Played for a sucker. I almost threw a pen right at Chris Cody's neck when he looked back. I'm an idiot. As soon as he said it, I'm like, Tony, isn't that yours?

Oh, I'm like, Chris Cody, mother. And he stopped. In Dan's defense, if he had said the crossover with Keon Dueling and Tony, then you would have probably picked up on it. Yeah, but I'm trying to trick him. Who has to stop billing? So the bit failed because I was getting too many right about Chris Pronger, okay? But it was hard.

But then. But then, so right. So in order to dunk on me at the end, the perfect way to do that so that I would fall trap in a way that would allow me to be exposed more than your dad was yesterday is for me to fall in the hole of, oh, I didn't realize that Tony had a podcast with Keon Dueling. I'm not going to be able to take that back. That just happened. I will say, in my meager defense, I hadn't heard of it. I'd seen of it.

Keon dueling is an excellent talker and always has been. You had heard of Chris Pronger's podcast. Well, I mean, but I'm not saying anything that's wrong there. He doesn't actually care about it. Amin. Amin was actually one of our first maiden voyage guests on the crossover. I saw that. I support you.

How many episodes have there been that I've missed? We started the NBA season with them. I was on one, Dan. I can't believe you didn't watch. You guys already had Jeremy. Talking Heat. Good start for the Heat. I'm an NBA reporter.

That was so insulting the way Chris did that. Chris is a legend and Jeremy's not by your proclamation. Yeah. Can we get back to that too? How close is Amin to being a South Florida legend? Two-time Emmy win. No, Amin's not a South Florida legend. He's a mayor of Heat Island.

No, I understand, but I don't think people equate a mean to Miami. I don't know. He used to work at the Cleveland. Brother. I mean, am I wrong about that? You're wrong about that because everywhere I go, people think I live in Miami. They think I'm caping for the Miami heat.

They think I'm all in the tank for the city of Miami and South Florida. And I'm like, I don't live there. He's in the tank for Kendall Flannies. Boy, let me tell you something. A zip line from the top of the Elser, straight to Kendall. Get it done. John Moynihan? No.

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We'll be brief Georgia Tech lost to pit It's a dumb sport anyway Who cares college basketball seasons here I thought you were going to rally That pick six broke your heart I thought they were going to rally too

I was waiting I had the text all written And then maybe not so much Chris Paul's retiring Kind of wish Stugas is here Right like that's the patron saint Of Chris Paul shit talk Let's see what else we got Oh

I guess hell has descended on New Mexico because our braw's got a new job. We're already at hell. Oh, no. Is that him? That's all he's got for weeks. It's Thanksgiving week. On the weekend observations.

He mailed it in. Thanksgiving week. Wow. I mean, is Chris Paul going to ask for a trade like midseason if this is this final year where he can try and latch on to a champion? To do what? To get DMPCDs in Denver? I mean, the guy's not playing for the Clippers.

I think that's like the. The sore sign that it's over. Okay, the expiration date on the human body. He was great five years past any reason to be great for five years. And this is the end of his career and it doesn't end on his terms necessarily. He's quitting because he's done. He's washed. I don't know what his terms would be.

I think it's terms of be if I can still play. But he's clearly not capable of playing. I was talking about this over the weekend. with Zach Harper on NBA radio and it's like people don't remember Chris Paul before the knee injury. He had a knee injury early in his career. Before that, he was quick, he was bouncy,

he was athletic, he dunked on Dwight Howard once. I don't think people would ever put those two things together. Chris Paul dunking and then Dwight Howard actually trying to stop that dunk. That was all in the same play and that happened. He had an injury and then he came back. He had to

reimagine himself as this kind of ground bound point guard and turned it to one of the best point guards in NBA history playing that way. How fair is it for me to say that Chris Paul 20-year career amazing by any standard, obvious clear Hall of Famer, maybe the best ever at his position in the discussion. No, not the best ever. All right, among the best ever. Among the best ever. Among the best ever. Among the best ever at his position. But also how high on the list of his word associations is going to be that he did the thing all the time that was present last night in the Carolina, 49ers game where he is known as somebody who will hit you in the junk repeatedly, has an

assortment of incidents, how high is it on his resume? He is, as Tony said, a honker. Yeah, he's a habitual nuttapper. I don't know if you remember, Dan, years and years and years ago, me, you and Tom Habistro did a video that never saw the light of day because Disney got too scared because we were talking about nuttaps. The entire video was just the greatest hits. Release the files. Chris Paul hitting somebody in the junk, and they just would not air it. They wouldn't even air it digitally. That was how, I guess, offensive we were, but I think given the events of like,

well, I don't know, the past eight years or so, it would air today. Well, it ended with me pointing out that Tom Haberstro's head looked like a human testicle. More than anybody in media. I do remember that, but I thought that aired somewhere. But how high on the list does this go? Like Chris Paul, that's an amazing. achievement as a career. We talk so much about

spoiled legacies. I'm dead serious when I ask you. How much does he soil his legacy with the fact that that's his reputation? Well, that part, I don't think soils his legacy. His legacy is soiled, I think, more by high-profile shortcomings in the playoffs. I think those are the things.

Obviously, he's been on teams that blew 3-1 leads. He's been on a team that blew a 2-0 lead in the finals. And so he's got a lot of those on his resume there's the internet is very strong in creating reputations that are that are unfair of chris paul being unclutch is one of them the nuttapping i think we've kind of gotten away from it but like if his career ended like three years ago i think it would still be top of mind i don't know how many people associate nuttapping with christ pa what are you laughing about tony chris

came in sighting yeah chris camman was furious about this there's a whole montage you'll get we did a whole whole video we had like an eight minute video We can do what How many would we come up with? A dozen? 10? Well, the ones I can remember

on top of my head Cayman was one. It goes back to Wake Forest though. It goes back to me was playing a Wake Forest. He had Julius Hodge in the junk. I did a man, we had Julius Hodge do a video for us one time.

We did a lot of Chris Paul Nuttapping videos, not to think about it. It was great content back in the day before he got old. Ah, those are the days. I mean, which... That's what Kevin Durant, right?

Yeah. I mean, which point guards are definitely ahead of Chris Paul all time? Magic Johnson. Jason Kidd. Stockton. Steve Nash. Gary Payton. Those are...

Yeah, I'll go with those five. No, get Kuzi up out of him, man. Shot 36% for his career. But for the era, Justin. What about Davy on Mitchell? David. Mitchell, close. I think he needs a couple more years. Zaslo says he's not going to watch Dodgeball now. I mean, I don't even know what's saying. I don't know what happened. I'm not watching it. Dan, I don't know what happened, yes.

I'm glad this came up because I actually have in my hand here. Presidential Medal of Freedom. I've been doing some reporting, some Pablo Tori level reporting here. Would you like to hear the inaugural episode of Bimino Hassan finds out? I would love that. Does it have any imaging? Do you need any help from Chris? You're going to do an a cappella? I'll do it an acapella unless Chris has something. I don't want to put them in a bad situation. Too late.

Amin. Oh, there it is. Thank you, Chris. I love your artistic process. Some dudes do it with confidence. You do it by screaming the effort off mic several times. South Florida legend. But that's what got you that status.

I mean, I mean, he's got to give you a heads up. You're your fault. He said it. Do we have any imaging that you brought up? Not since, not since Duncan Robinson, has someone been so afraid to do their own job. He's doing well, by the way, in Detroit. He's shooting to shake you. Oh, I thought you made.

They've lost twice. They've lost twice. Two years after they set the record for most losses in a row, they're setting a franchise record for most wins in a row. It's the most amazing turnaround in NBA history. As soon as they got rid of Stan. No, that's not. No, no. No, no, it's not Stan's fault.

Dan Levitore. It's not Stan's fault. But that's not what the... It's Monty Williams' fault. It's Monty Williams' fault, for sure. What did you find out? I found out. Actually, let me do this.

Let me do the Socratic method and ask some questions. Hey, Zaz. Hey. You call yourself a movie buff? I'm a great movie guy. Great movie guy. Okay. I have a report here in my hand that you haven't seen Rush Hour?

No. I admitted that yesterday. You didn't find something. You can't do a mean finds out when it came out of my mouth. It's ended on yesterday's show. You haven't seen Rush Hour 2? No. Why would I miss Rush Hour but then watch Skip Ahead to Rush Hour 2?

It would be a weird move. Rush Hour 2 is a better movie. That's why. You sit here in front of God and Country. Claim to be a movie buff. And I've not seen the biggest grossing movie of Jackie Chan's career, You're an international massive superstar? Whatever, man.

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Stugatch. Have you never heard the Breakfast Flon song? No, hit me with it. Okay. I wish I had some breakfast flan. Breakfast Flan. What can I find a breakfast like that? This is the Dan Levitar show with the Stugats.

What did you find out? What he told his last night? How is your journalist? How is your journalist? I listened to yesterday. show what is pop Pablo tory finds out comes out on metal arc media amino hasn't finds out comes out

on the slow report zazzle found Zazzo said someone I found out okay so he didn't see rush hour did you have him pinned in any other way why are you not watching dodgeball because it's been built up too much like I was on the plane this past weekend on my way to Madison it was really cold there that's neither here and I was wondering do I want to watch

dodgeball's like nah no you know it's been built up too much there's no way there's no way it's as good as everybody's making it sound to be and like I don't care it is good this much of my life without seeing Dodgeball, I'd never once in a man, I wish I'd do Dodgeball. Everybody listening to this would say that Dodgeball was good, was fun. I'm sorry.

Dan, no, no, no. You know what? Dodgeball, I give you grace. You don't have to watch it. You don't watch it? Not a big deal. You never seen Rush Hour, brother? Who cares? This is more shocking than Dodgeball than James Bond, the Rambo, than all that stuff.

You've never seen the Rush Hour movies? My children have seen the Rush Hour movies. They clamor for Rush Hour. You make it sound like the only way that you're a movie person as if you've seen every movie. I don't even see every movie. Who cares? There are certain movies that are on the list that you can't have missed.

Rush hour and rush hour two of them. Rush hour three, not so much. A lot of people miss Rush Hour 3. Rightfully so, they just did it for the money. But Rush Hour and Rush Hour 2, I'm telling you, my niece came over like a couple of months ago, and my kids were like, oh, we got to show. rush hour. I'm like, oh, you guys

don't want to watch like the new Disney? No, we're going to watch Rush Hour. And they sat there, they watched four hours of Jackie Chan and Chris Tucker, cracking wise, and Roundhouse kicking people. You think Rush Hour does his own stunts? Of course. Of course I know he does his own stunts. How do you know you ever see the movie? I can't assume. Because I've seen

other Jackie Chan movies. So you missed the best one? No anything. Rush hour is not a classic. It's Jackie Chan's best movie. After the credits, you get all the like mistakes he made, trying to jump over the wall. Oh, I fell. I like when movies do that. Great soundtrack, too.

Can I get a what-what? Oh, yes, that's right. And Beach Boys also. Whatever, man. I would maybe see Rush Hour, but Dodgeball I'm out on at this point. I don't care. I don't care if you don't watch Dodge Ball.

No, but I think you're making a mistake. I think everybody, I think Dodge Ball holds up. I don't think he's going to be disappointed by Dodgeball. It's not about it not holding up. It's just like, who cares, whatever. Then, if he hasn't seen Rush Hour, at some point, like, I just have to assume he's never seen any movie. Like, have you seen the Karate Kid?

Really, that makes a lot of sense. If I haven't seen a movie, that means I haven't seen any movies. That's logical. Pretty much. I can't assume anything with you. I've got to ask you things like, have you seen the Karate Kid? Why is this sound still going? Because, Amin, found something out that I said.

Yeah, I mean, thank you. Wait, wait. Wait, wait. Yes. You better not be talking about the one with Jackie Chan. I would never watch that. I'm talking about Karate Kid. Yes, the original.

Of course I have. Have you seen Karate Kid, too? Yes. Where does it take place? In Okanawa. What happened there? That's how you say it. That's how you culturally appropriate.

That's how you say it. You know about breaking that ice? You know about those six ice sheets? Most people don't know this. Zaz is a great Asian guy. Go for it. Okay, you know what? How long are you going to love me?

No, we're not going to do this. Approaching Eskimo territory. Oh, hey, Jeremy said it. Accidently racism. Me? I don't look that. Wow. That's say Godzilla on your way up.

Don't do that. You guys are going to love him. He thought about it for a second. Don't do it. No, you guys are going to love it. Don't do it. Do I go with him? I'm going to draw a line somewhere.

Yeah, you go with him. Yes, you go with him because you did the same thing. You lured him into that trap. I mean, how can you honestly say to Zazlo? Do you understand how extraordinarily bad your judgment is where you're prodding Zaslo? Yeah, Zaz. Good idea. Do something that's not your ethnicity.

Go ahead. And then he falls into your trap. Look. Look. This is Zaz's everyday voice? We're not playing a character with Zaslo. Zaslo dresses that way for Madison because he's not a grown-up. You can't lure him into these little traps and think he's an adult.

He's not an adult. He's been shouting on his own show to himself without anybody there to check him for very long time. And he's a legend. And you can't just lure him into the trap of, please go ahead, impersonate a cast member of the karate kid like come on that boy come on i'm climbing up the judgment ranks huh dan what what are you doing video room it's no me can't do that all right then i can take us off this let's redraft let's go to tony 24 NBA draft because we had this big situation where uh zazzo said that kaleel where would have gone first i said i think stephawn castle would have gone first i mean

you're the judge what do you think oh oh man we got the audio audience has to though no we can't We cannot keep it moving. I mean, this is how we got. No, we're going to keep it moving. So, oh, my God. As, as, before we let you go here, what do you make of the Draymond Green, Paul Pierce saying the Dreyman Green? Just forget what Tony asked and we'll go to, Tony, I guess.

Keon dueling all over again. Who would go first overall last year's draft? Kaleel, where the guy Tony said? Well, look, Calel, where over the last? I don't know his name. Okay, that's why I didn't want to do it. Stefan Castle. But Chris just doesn't know because he doesn't watch back.

Basketball. Yes. I know ball. Yes. Thank you. Appreciate that. Just throwing... No one knows who that guy is.

Into the feet of the show. It's rookie of the year. The larger point that Jeremy is getting excited about and Mike has been muted on is. If the heat play at this pace and Khalil Ware grows into whatever it is I was asking you the other day, hey, what's the ceiling on this if it continues to grow? If they're going to play at a different pace, they're not as good at. as Detroit and they're not as good as Toronto, but they're pretty close.

They're not as good as Detroit. Toronto, I think Toronto's good. I think Toronto's good the same way the Miami Heat are good. Yeah, you're good. Are you like separation from the rest of the conference? I don't think so. But

I think Detroit obviously is very good. But you know, to go back to the question of who would go first. I think Kelloware has had a great, like, five games here in a row. You know, he had the good game against the Knicks where with the great defensive stops at the end. Before that, he was kind of up and down in the same way he was up and down a year ago. And Castle through, again, 80, what, 90 games or whatever, both of these guys' careers,

has been the more consistent better player. Time will tell if what we're seeing from Calell Ware is real and sustainable, or is he just having a good streak? But obviously, when you talk about someone seven foot tall who could shoot and who can defend the way he can, that is always going to be tantalizing to draft board prognosticators. But you're not willing to commit to something there where I think this is what he is.

I think he's going to blossom into some sort of growth spurt that will make him Unicorn X. I think part of that, Dan, is not a development of skill. it's not a development of like body to development of mind of your mindset are you a killer in that way of i remember on this show we were talking about what's bam out of bio ceiling could bam be like yonis light and time told that no he couldn't and not because he doesn't have the physical tools or the skill or even the IQ is just that bam doesn't have that maniacal level of competition that yonis has and when i say maniac level competition i'm not saying that bam cares about losing whatever but

Yannis is so crazy, it's like he will do whatever it takes and will have a confidence in himself that's like, I'm better than everybody out here. And I don't think Bam has that vibe about him on a day-to-day basis. He might have in some games, but the ability to bring that every single game, that often is a separator from very, very talented people. And so for Kelle Weir, we know he hasn't had it coming into his career. Can he develop it? Can he learn it? Can he sustain it? it remains to be seen.

If you're redrafting last year's draft, though, real quick, just to answer Tony's question, who you take him first overall? Killoware. Based on the 90 games or so. Based off the next 10 years right now, you go kill out of it because you go SOT. Ha, Tony.

Ha! But like, but Stefan Castle's had the better career to this point. Before we let you go on basketball-related matters, as a former son's person, the Ishby a lawsuit, is that something that you can condense for us in a digestible fashion? minority owners saying that he's a mismanagement fool?

I can't condense it. No, let's leave that for another day where we've got a little bit more time. All right. I have a different question for Amin finds out then. Dana back to last year when Rozier fell out of the rotation. Miami closed the season strongly, got into the playoffs. You're talking about the pistons. You're talking about the heat, exceeding expectations.

Is it fair to mention, hey, they started playing better when the two guys that had this stuff surrounding them are no longer playing? No, because the Pistons were playing very well last year, and Malik Beasley is a big part of their success. I think what Duncan Robinson is doing this year is great, but, I mean, it stands the reason that Malik Beasley would have been that guy hitting those shots and helping them win the way they have.

Terry Rozier, obviously, not as good of a player for the heat, and so not having them around it. And again, this goes back. We talked about this with Spow before, Mike. Spow has this weird kind of obligation sometimes to guys. that like, I can't sit that guy. And Terry Rozier was one of those guys where it was like, it was apparent, look, he's not helping the team win,

but Spowe just kept sticking with him as far as a rotation guy. So having him off the board, I think absolutely helps Spow not only trust other guys, but also make sure that that guy's not on the floor. I mean, what do you make of John Morant and Clay Thompson the other day? Okay, oh, that's what I wanted to talk about. All right, so I have a theory that I don't think anyone else has said anywhere. I think everyone misunderstood Ja his original statement

because the original thing he said was best shooter in the house and ain't that one from Golden State and everyone thought they were talking he's talking about the house that they were in which is the arena in Dallas or whatever and the one from Golden State was Clay Thompson but he was talking about Cam Spencer

his teammate Cam Spencer's brother is Pat Spencer Pat Spencer plays for the Golden State Warriors I think what Jal was saying was that the best shooter in the Spencer house was cam and it ain't the one in golden state and everyone took it as a shot at clay and then you know how it goes with the NBA guys once one guy starts talking shit now they're both talking shit another the start that's a found out that's a found out why don't think he

know do you know that wait a minute you got to put your found out on that put do the imaging on that a deductive logic it's a theory it's a play on for me it's a non he doesn't get the sounder there I didn't find out I didn't find out I got another one for you Along those lines, right? Kenyon Martin and Draymond Green, I thought, Dan, you'd be all over. Major call out. We're out of time.

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