The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 2: Known Lions Fan Jemele Hill

Episode Date: November 4, 2024

Kevin Durant and Stephen A. Smith got into a heated exchange, and Joel Embiid shoved a columnist after evoking Embiid's family in a column calling him disappointing. Dan, Stugotz, and the Shipping Container discuss the dynamics between media and athletes as Dan zeros in on athlete unhappiness. Then, our Friendly Neighborhood Race Lady Jemele Hill stops by to discuss her passionate Lions* fandom, her own experience with athlete or coach confrontations, Quincy Jones and his legacy, and the DeMar DeRozan and Drake beef. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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sponsored by Diageo Americas, Inc. New York, New York. This is the Don Leventor show with the StuGuts Podcast. I want to get to Columbia and the way they use the Dwyane Wade statue to try and distract the opposing kicker during a college football game this weekend. The Dwyane Wade statue has become a wonderful pop culture thing where it's a scary Halloween thing looking more and more like Ryan Reynolds in the Deadpool crossover with the mask off as he's come out of the charred burns. We'll get to that in a second.

I also want to get to the UL Monroe coach who behaved like a lunatic and just basically attacked physically his offensive lineman. But before I do that, there are some things in basketball, Stugats, that I wanted to get to the Warriors Not the Warriors you covered them fine through six games Steve Kers best coaching job yet I'm sure you've gone through many other six game samples in Steve Kers career And I'm sure that you've researched that meticulously and are saying that with all of history's perspective behind you I have all those other spans have Kevin Durant Steph Steph Curry, Clay Thompson, Draymond Green. This one does not. That's why it's the most impressive.

Okay. Thank you. Yes. I know you've taken all of the six-case samples. Yeah, I'm sure you've run that all through your computer and you're doing that very responsibly. But as you represent the dumbing down of general media analysis thank you kevin durant is going after steven a smith saying quote i've been in the league eighteen years i've never seen steven a the practice or film session or shoot around i've never seen him anywhere but on tv talking

about players and holding them to standards that he doesn't even hold himself to he's a clown to me he's always been a clown to which steven a responds i will not disrespect him the same way he disrespect me it's unfortunate that no matter how old he gets his sensitivity seems to heighten with it and his maturity it doesn't but that's something he has to deal with not me he's a treasure to the game of basketball I love seeing him play and I sincerely wish that he doesn't get swept again in the playoffs like he has two of the last three years That's how you do it

Chris cody, can you get some movie trailers? They've been at this these two old rivals have been at this for a long time threatening each other in public He's a clown. He's a clown. I don't care what he says. I don't care what he says. Go to practice. I sit here today incredibly offended by the personal attack that this man has put against me.

In a world with hot takes, his takes might be the hottest. Kevin Durant is the one that's lying. Kevin Durant is in too deep. You know, I made a mistake. With a man you don't want to make an enemy out of. The Slim Reaper versus the suit with 400 buttons. I don't want to hear from, and nobody else should either. McDonald's All American.

Am I human? You look at me that way? Versus McDonald's commercial. Had I had to come on the air that next day, I can promise you it would have been very bad. Stephen A. Smith. Forget the numbers. You don't need them. Look at his eyes.

Versus Kevin Durant and them boys. You're the real MVP. You won't want to be on his Jorna Hit List. You don't want to make an enemy out of me. And I'm looking right into the camera and I'm gonna see it again. You do not want to make an enemy out of me. And I'm looking right into the camera and I'm gonna see it again. You do not want to make an enemy out of me. I'm not having it. He's writing your fate and he's up against a deadline. Stu Gatz, you have heard me talk for a while, get sort of irritated for a while on the fact

that Kevin Durant is one of the greatest basketball players ever, and it seems that the way that we cover him makes him less than happy with being one of the greatest basketball players ever. The whole swirl of **** that surrounds greatness in the social media age seems to have affected him in a way that he fights with people on Twitter and doesn't mind conflict but also doesn't seem terribly enjoyable and doesn't seem like we are celebrating with great respect the career of an all-time great. Would you agree with that? Yeah that's because we're not celebrating the career of an all-time great and that's Kevin Durant's own doing. It's not Stephen A's fault. It's no one else's fault but Kevin Durant. Well Kevin Durant's own doing. It's not Stephen A's fault. It's no one else's fault but Kevin Durant. Well Kevin Durant is one of the best scorers in the history of the sport.

No doubt. He is one of the best players in the history of the sport. Yep, just needs a ring. And what I would say to you as I segue into other things involving how we cover people, what's happening with Joel Embiid in Philadelphia is super interesting. And the weight of expectations in the load management age, as a guy's pretty firmly standing up for, man, my body keeps breaking. You keep seeing me playing the playoffs, I'm playing with masks, I've got vertigo I can't see straight everything I dunk and I collapse on the court like there's only so much of my body I'm going to give to this regular season in a way that gets him investigated that city is

unfriendly that city has no patience for there are now expectations around that basketball team that there haven't been since before Iverson. Iverson didn't come with these expectations. He got deeper but nobody actually thought that any of Iverson's teams were gonna end up winning the title even as they played in the finals. What is expected of Joel Embiid and it's the only way that the process can be successful is if he is healthy and great otherwise they will fail paul george returns the season has started as a disaster stugats he's show of the columnist and here he is

just saying flatland i've always admired the way that he is with the press of always admired that he doesn't mind being a villain he speaks uh... uncommonly candidly in front of microphones. And here he is telling Philadelphia, hey, I've given you too much of my body and soul to be treated this way. I broke my face twice. I came back early with the risk of losing my vision.

I have broken fingers. I still came back. So I'm not gonna see him, they're like, you know, when I see people saying he doesn't wanna play, I've been way too much. I've done way too much, you know, for this city and, you know, putting myself at risk, you know, for people to be saying that.

So I do think he's bullsh** like that, yo. He's not here, Marcus, whatever his name is. I've done way too much for this f***** city to be treated like this. So don't wait way too f***** much. But like I said, I wish I was as lucky as other ones, but that doesn't mean that I'm not trying that, I'm not doing whatever it takes to be out there,

which I'm gonna be here pretty soon. Chris Cody accusing me of heavy breathing. There was someone wheezing in there. It was not me who was heavy breathing there. We cut your mic down just because we thought it was you. We still heard it, so you're off the hook. Well, that leaves me. Yeah, but it didn't sound like you're wheezing.

Right. It sounded like general media surrounding Joel Embiid. I think he's mentioning the same columnist that he got into a shoving match with in Marcus Hayes and Stugatz. I thought, and for those of you who do not have any context, he said keep my brother's name out of your mouth and keep my son's name out of your mouth because Marcus Hayes was talking about what

Joel Embiid's legacy needs to be in Philadelphia, that he's got to play games in order to make that legacy happen. And that legacy is supposed to be a tribute to his late brother and his son. And by mentioning that, I thought it was fairly benign but simply by tying that stuff together an athlete who is under it in Philadelphia now shoves a columnist and makes matters all the worse. It's kind of it's getting to Joel Embiid that city that market the way those fans respond to a guy who has done all the things that he said for that city and for that fan base, but he hasn't won a title and he hasn't played more than 70 games in a single season in

his entire career. And I understand why Philadelphia fans with so much expectations with how great of a player he is when he's out there and then you throw in he plays in the Olympics over the summer when he probably should have been resting because the Sixers should be more important in that city than winning a gold medal on a stacked team. And so I do understand why Philadelphia 76er fans and the media are a little bit fed up with Joel Embiid because he is such an amazing player, but he's never out there for 82 games. He's not. He's just not.

Well, the thing to me that is most interesting about this is this is a story that's been ten years in the making yet philadelphia is a national and international laughing stock that had to have its power structure change because they were losing on purpose to get a bunch of short-circuited dudes it It's not just Ben Simmons and Markel Fultz, it's Nerlunds Noel, Okafer, like they just lost on purpose for a decade and this is the one thing that they still have from all of that and it physically breaks in the postseason because of how much it's asked to carry and then it emotionally

breaks before the season because he can't get out on the court and philadelphia's now one one game and he's pushing columnists and feuding with uh... the fans god almighty this is going to be a season of difficult expectations for that team if they think that's how they're going to knock off the celtics but when they get in the back in george's plane tonight as you pointed out they're going to be very good in the east, aren't they? Like if Beed gives them 50 games and Paul George plays the rest of the season, those are big ifs, massive ifs.

But if they do that, they'll contend in the East. A decade into the project and everything still hinges on Joel and Beed's health and the injuries stack and the ability to bounce back gets more difficult for him. The ability to stay healthy gets more difficult because of all the previous injuries and the ability to bounce back gets more difficult for him. The ability to stay healthy gets more difficult because of all the previous injuries and the same exact thing applies to Paul George. It feels like it's built on a faulty premise. Let me ask you guys, because I tie it to the Durant thing for a reason, does it seem fun to you guys? Embiid and Durant trying to be franchise faces.

In Durant's case, he also gave his body at the end of a run and seemed to be having so little fun that he's like, bleep this, I don't even want to win the championships in 72 games a year. I'm out of here. I don't want to do this anymore. Does it seem to you that Joel Embiid feels appreciated when he's spitting into microphones, hey, wait a minute, what do you mean I don't care?

Like, do you see how often I play with my body not functioning correctly? No, it doesn't when you hold up that example. Seems plenty fun when he's doing the Degeneration X crotch chop and being beloved by his city and being constantly in MVP conversations because he's the face of a franchise that hasn't gotten past the second round.

I mean, yeah, in his low moments, it's like it's a human experience. I'm sure sometimes it's pretty great to be Kevin Durant because of all the great things he's done on the basketball court and because of all the adulation that he's met. I'm sure it's not great when he's deciding to fight with literally anybody on social media. It doesn't matter. You can be an egg. He will hop in your DMs and argue with you. That type of sensitivity doesn't seem super appealing to me but there's good and bad with this. But I think Kevin Durant that's the example that would shed some light on what it is Joe Ellen Beat is going through. Kevin Durant told you it was not fun being the face of the

franchise. No, he left the franchise and he was just another face in Golden State. So this part though, this part is interesting when we're talking about all-time greats and how it is organizations work in service of all-time greatness. Kevin Durant did play for a franchise that clearly is run well. Oklahoma City, on coupons, knows how to run a franchise successfully to get the pieces around Kevin Durant that once had around him, Westbrook and Hardin,

and continues to function over the entire s dot the entire stuff century we're living in basically has a ok c mattering yes because of what they've built in in a place where it's impossible to keep free agents they just basically game the system so they signed guys long-term they draft well i mean i don't but but so so they draft well now look

at what is left of the process and look at the level of mismanagement that you're talking in the all of the things around joe l m b that led to the collage of the family running it because they were tanking so explicitly to get to the point where joe l m b wouldn't be out there by himself and and now paul george is coming as help in free agency, but that ain't process That ain't that ain't we are gonna lose for ten years and have nothing to show for it Nothing to show for Mark. Hell faults and Ben Simmons from overall number one picks

Franchise changers. They don't even play for us anymore They're barely hanging on to the fringes of the league Like you understand how poorly the whole thing has been built around him as now they just sort of throw Darrell Mori into Get whoever you can in free agency. I mean I do understand they did get maxi and that helps. He's a pretty good player He's helping out so God's it's ten years of losing But where they went wrong was well before Darrell Mori It was taking more Cal Foltz when you could have taken Jason Tatum. Like that is where the whole thing fell apart

as far as I'm concerned. Because if you have Embiid and Tatum, you have multiple championships. You do, they took the wrong guy. They built very poorly and have been mismanaged for a long time. And putting everything on the shoulders of Joel Embiid's health seems a risky way to knock out

a Boston team that hasn't gotten any worse in the off season. But whose fault is that though? And why would you blame the fans or the media for criticizing Joel Embiid? It's all on his shoulders. I mean, doesn't he want that? He's a competitor. Doesn't he want it all on his shoulders?

I'm just saying it's hard. I he want it all on his shoulders saying it I'm not saying I'm just saying it must be unpleasant life is hard man. Yeah, it's unpleasant These are unique problems that come with the fame I I don't understand getting physical but I do kind of understand invoking his son and and his brother who passed away I felt it felt gratuitous it also I Wasn't even aware that Joel Embiid had those issues going around him. And I'm not sure that's the forum for me to learn that he has those things going on.

So I totally get why there might be an understanding within those, in that media, when Jimmy Butler was going through his stuff with his dad, it was understood within media that this was going on and that is not a line that you cross. So I understand why Joel Embiid is really upset by this considering that there's a lot of people that cover that organization that probably knew that and understood that that was a third rail discussion. We're going to talk to Jamal Hill about this in a second, but when it comes to putting

your hands on people, because I don't think that anyone can make the argument, even if Joel Embiid is upset, it is wildly unprofessional to shove a media member because you've objected. There are any number of punitive things you can do that stop before putting your hands on him. I do not have the video of this. I don't know how aggressive a shove it is, but Joel Embiid is very strong. I want to juxtapose that against what it is that happened in the UL Monroe game yet this weekend because I would say in football we're a little more used to this as the kind of violence

or physical put your hands on people that is okay because you have an offensive line coach here who's an authority figure this isn't exactly good coaching this is just frustrated dude chasing his and then he's chasing his player they know it's terrible but it is funny player yeah and it is also funny so look like he had to stop himself from kicking him yeah he like tries to throw the headset but it's attached to, so it swings back and hits him in like the chin. And he goes after him on his eyeline.

And the offensive lineman runs a million miles an hour. Might not have been a kick. His leg might have gotten tangled in his own headset. I love the headset toss. And it comes back and hits him right in the face. Like throw, get out of here, boop, right in the face. Yeah, it does. Stu got more muscular. Mm-hmm. I have lost 10 pounds. Have, whoop, right in the face. It does. So you got more muscular.

Mm-hmm, I have lost 10 pounds. Have you? Yeah, using my Peloton. I've had the Peloton in my house, so my daughter, she wanted me to get a Peloton, I did. She used it a couple of times. Yeah, great endorsement. But once she left to college,

and the Peloton was just sitting there in my office, and it wasn't being used, I said, you know what? I gotta use this, and I have lost 10 to 12 pounds, Billy. So I started using Peloton as a bike. Obviously, that's what they're known for. But recently, I discovered all of the other classes that they have. They have a series of weightlifting classes.

They have programs, which for me, the programs is great because I don't have to think about what I'm doing. Because if not, I just go and I pick a class at random and I don't know that I'm actually accomplishing anything. I would like some recommendations on classes because I keep going to the same class. OK. It's the Grateful Dead class, by the way. You do like a four week core program with Emma Lovewell.

Right. I would recommend that one. Okay. Anyone can do that. Any level starts out, you know, easy and then you work your way up and then there's like a core program two that you can do after core program one if you want to do that. Yeah, if you graduate. Wait a second. You have to graduate course one to get to course two the harder course. Well, you can start a course two if you want but I eased my way in I did course one first. Then you can do some strength classes with Andy love a strength class with Andy. He really puts me through it. I get up and I'm like a sweaty mess and I'm kind of disgusting and I love it. You know anything about Peloton's Dugats? What? Peloton coaches, they walk the walk. Really? Yeah. Do they talk the talk? They have sub three- hour marathon runner coaches.

They have military trained athlete coaches, former college basketball player coaches, and so many other well rounded coaches on their team. All this experience really shows in their classes. You're never short of challenging. You can do some resistance band classes. I got some resistance bands lately. You're my teacher.

Am I? Yeah. You know, no I'm not. Well, I just go with the program so that I don't have to think because I don't know. I don't actually know what I'm doing. Anyways, what's the like Mr. Olympia? Right? Is that what it's called?

Yes. The one where you go and you're like lifting Tony Atlas. giant boulders. Yeah. Hey, we should talk to Magnus again. That's Mr. Olympia. Yeah.

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I don't know that we have to necessarily start over, but it might have to be, it will be a black people's meeting. An important one that will be called the next day where we might have to put some things on the agenda and get it off the table. This is the Don LeBattar Show with the Stugats. Let's bring in Jamel here. Oh, excuse me. She's got two Jamel here. Excuse me.

She's got two brand new shows. The podcast is called Spolitics. The TV show is called Above the Fold. It's actual sports journalism on cable televisions Thursday, 7 Eastern on TruTV. I am guessing this is the best Jamel has ever felt as a Lions fan. Right now, today, beating Green Bay, in Green Bay. Well, she's not really up. I mean. I thought she was a Lions fan. now today beating Green Bay in Green Bay. Well she's not really out. I mean I thought she was a Lions fan. No no no she's a 49ers fan. Then everything I say I take back this would be the worst day to be a 49ers fan

because your team's not really relevant and the Lions are a juggernaut. I love the switch-ups you guys. I love the switch-up. That's my specialty. Well, but it is good for my household because my husband is a lifelong Lions fan, so you can imagine how he feels about this time right now. And so I'm actually, I'm happy for him. I don't hate the Lions. They just weren't my team.

So I'm happy for the city of Detroit getting an opportunity to experience this. I mean, this will, if they go to the Super Bowl, this will be the biggest story in Michigan sports history. I wanna talk to you about the Joellen Bede story, because I, Stugance is whispering in my ear, Dan, you have to come clean. You told me she was a Lions fan. You did, I asked.

I asked, I asked. He's whispering. I asked on the front end, I did. So Dan wasn't listening in the previous? You know what, I wasn't listening to Stu Gotz, was my fault, I did know that her, we had a bet schedule between her and her husband. It was an enormous football game

between the 49ers and the Lions, but I did leave him astray. You think you would've known then? Yes, I did, it is my fault, not to God's fault. The Joel Embiid story, what is it that you think is interesting or funny or not funny about that story, Jamel? Well, here's what, I'll get to the part that is funny.

The funny part is that, I don't know if you had this thought, Dan, but it honestly, it made me really wistful. Because I remember when I was in the thick of it, when I was in the trenches, going to games, being in locker rooms, covering teams, these kinds of confrontations happen.

Now, maybe they didn't always result in shoving. Sometimes there was yelling, there was cursing, but it just kind of reminded me of the good old days is when you wrote something that probably crossed the line or you just wrote something that you had to defend and then you showed up in the locker room the next day and then you just had to wait and see if all hell broke loose i was like damn got a miskin cussed out by a coach or athlete every now and again column still

mattering uh... marcus haze this is what he wrote over the line or not quote joel often says that he wants to be great to leave a legacy for the boy named after his little brother who tragically died in an automobile accident when imbib was in his first year as a seventy sixer well in order to be great at your job you first have to show up to work and beat has been great is just the opposite uh... your thoughts there

totally over the line uh... you know i read the column and then i really to uh... and i took totally over the line uh... and you know i read the column and then i reread it to uh... and i took that part out of it you know and i i just sort of mentally i read it without reading that paragraph and the column still effective the column still works uh... he still gets the same point across that he feels like joelle and

beat has not lived up to his end of the bargain in terms of staying in shape being a good condition being ready for the start of the season. Those are all fair criticisms. But the moment that you start bringing in somebody's children, somebody's family, and certainly a relative that is deceased, that the subject is close, that is close to, you are asking for the confrontation that you got. I mean, Dan, you know that there are, you know that there are unspoken rules to this. And I think maybe those rules, they don't exist anymore

because of the sort of the type of media consumption society that we have become, but you just don't really touch family. Not in this way. And especially, I found the whole correlation. And let's just say that people think that this is totally fair. What is the correlation between his child and his work and his late brother? I don't, I logically, I don't understand how all of

those things mix together. So I thought that that part of the column was totally out of bounds, and Joelle Embiid had a right to be upset about the mention of them. Pete Can you walk us through, because at any point in our history, what you're saying journalistically is so, but I've changed the line for where it is that this stuff now lands. Newspapers have a standard and you're saying that's too much, but that's not even, mostly, how any of this is consumed anymore and fans and media do feel entitled to whatever the facts are on however it is they can criticize or bury you so you're applying what have been old-fashioned sensitivities and I'm

looking at it I'm like man I feel like all that stuff has been toppled now we're not living in that world anymore oh no Dan you're right I mean there is a difference between how I want things to be and maybe my own personal code versus what they actually are. There's a very different realities there. I realized that I'm existing in the reality that is no longer the reality.

Because even when I was on television, not that I'm not on television, but when we were at ESPN, I had a certain code that I lived by whenever I was on TV. I will not say anything about an athlete that I cannot say to their face. That was that was it to me. That is what kept me in check. That is what kept me from getting a little too comfortable in that seat in the studio, knowing I ain't got to go in that locker room anymore.

But I realize that now in today's world of journalism, loosely journalism adjacent, is that you don't have to worry about that anymore. Much like we grew up in a time where if you got something wrong, you felt a level of shame, that shame doesn't exist anymore. So I understand what you're saying in that, for a lot of people, this is totally within bounds. And even to some a lot of people, this is totally within bounds. And even to some sports fans, they think this is within bounds because they're looking at

Joel Embiid's performance, his underperformance at the start of this season. They're paying him a lot of money. And we know that as the money has risen and as the stakes have gotten higher and as people have felt more entitled to sort of access to athletes and more entitled to share their opinions about them, that there's going to be an audience for this of people who feel like this is right and just and you can take these kind of shots at athletes because look at the money they're making and yes, we have a right to criticize them in whatever way we see fit. I just personally do not exist in that world.

Jamel, has anyone ever confronted you over something you wrote? Oh yeah. Yeah. Like I remember the last memorable confrontation that I can recall was when I was on the beat. I was covering Michigan State basketball and there was a rumor that Tom Izzo had put his hands on one of his players.

And this is back in the day, I guess, the message board used to be sort of our, it was sort of our version of what Twitter has become in many ways. Like on the message boards, there'll be all kinds of rumors about recruits, players, saw them here, coaches, this kind of thing. But this particular rumor, it had happened after Michigan State, they had gone to Michigan, they had beat Michigan down at Michigan.

And supposedly there was this rumor that Izzo was really upset with one of his players and on the bus ride back to East Lansing, East Lansing and Ann Arbor are only like 45, 30, like 40, 45 minutes apart, that supposedly him and this player, you know, got into a back and forth. There may have been a physical confrontation involved and it was, you know, for the, for as much as something could be viral and could be everywhere, it was sort of everywhere. And so I asked Tom Izzo about

it. And I think I asked the player about it. And they both said, no, that that is not what happened. So that's what I wrote. I wrote, hey, you know, despite this rumor, this didn't happen. And Tom Izzo was livid with me. And he was livid with me because he thought that I gave something that he didn't feel like was a legitimate rumor or a legitimate story I should be chasing. He thought I gave him more credibility because even his denial, he said, would lead to his adversaries in recruiting using that as a way to recruit against him. Now you all, now this version of Izzo that we see now is a lot more mellower in terms of his,

his sideline sort of behavior. But then Tom Izzo was known to break some clipboards. He was known to get a little feisty. He was known to be, you know, at times either excitedly or maybe even critically in a player's face. So the idea that Tom Izzo would be accused of this is not necessarily surprising. And so he thought that I gave some legitimacy to some bulls**t, and so he pulled me aside after his weekly press conference, and he and I went at it in the hallway. And,

you know, he was probably mad at me for a couple weeks and then we were fine Chris Cody, please get for me One of the things on the resume of the late great Quincy Jones We lose him at 91 years old and I believe he is the author of the greatest television theme song of all time I also love Hawaii Five-O. I've got a weakness for Hawaii Five-O. And college game day. He did come into your city? I thought that was big and rich. Jamel, what do you have for me? Historically? I am tired of doing death montages around here, the number of people who have historical impact passing away, but what can you give us on Quincy Jones as someone who appreciates her music?

Well, you know, honestly, Dan, it's really impossible to kind of sum up his legacy when you think about everything that he did. But I guess recently sort of more recently, the things that come to mind is that if anybody has read Will Smith's book, go to the the portion of the book where he talks about how he landed the role of the Fresh Prince, because he landed that at Quincy Jones's house. And Quincy Jones is one of the executive producers of of The Fresh Prince of Bel Air, which everybody enjoyed for many, many years. It's a phenomenal story and it speaks to the genius and the way that Quincy Jones just had this way of being this architect. He was a creator. He built things. And increasingly in our society, we see that people don't really like to build things. And between that story,

watching the We Are the World documentary that's on Netflix, which is phenomenal, Quincy Jones's documentary on Netflix, again, exceptional. And one of his last major interviews, which before Cat Williams got on Shannon Sharpe Show, Quincy Jones's interview, I believe it was either Vanity Fair or GQ, was one of those publications, was the Cat Williams interview that everybody saw, where he is taking us through some very interesting stories involving Marlon Brando and Marvin Gaye. And it's just phenomenal. But his legacy in music, his legacy in art, is one that while it is sad that he is gone, the fullness of his life is such that this actually does not to me feel like we're losing.

It feels like we're allowed to celebrate somebody who has for decades deserved all the flowers that he's been given throughout his career. He's always been a great contributor to some really good documentaries done in the world of music. While a genius musically, great composer, knew his way around music quite well,

he also is a bit of an outlier in that he was a musical genius and a great people person. It's a common misnomer that you have to be a musical genius to be a good producer. A lot of great producers don't know how to play instruments, but they know how to manage people and bring the best out of their talent. And I think a lot of his people skills were highlighted

in the We Are the World documentary. He made a lot of great things happen. He also pulled the plug on creative ideas when he realized that the personality type wasn't there. You could have also just ended it in speaking about his legacy by saying he made thriller. So. Yeah, yeah.

I know. But Mike, I think that's like such a good point because when you watch We Are the World, and for those who are sports fans, it's like you're seeing the, imagine getting all of these living legends together in one room, and you have to orchestrate,

and you have to figure out a way that every person is featured and highlighted, but yet all the sounds blend together. And so seeing how he masterfully put that together is something that if you're in any kind of leadership role, if you're any kind of coach, I would watch that documentary because he certainly gives you a lot to think about

in terms of how you bring people together. And listen, you mentioned Thriller and it's like his relationship with Michael Jackson and being able to bring out the best in somebody who was already a genius, that says a lot about his ability to manage people and more importantly, the level of respect that he carried that somebody like a Michael Jackson and somebody like all the artists who are in We Are the World would listen to him and consider that, you know, hey, I'm getting counseled by the exact person that I should be.

In modern music, you have Lil Wayne bothered that he didn't get the Super Bowl halftime show. That goes to Kendrick Lamar. Drake seems to still be suffering from the losses to Kendrick Lamar. Listen to Drake here during the broadcast. He shouting uh... people were reading his lips and he was saying to demar de rosen drake is a toronto raptors ambassador to rosa's one of the most popular raptors ever he was but the rose it was in some of kendrick lamar stuff still got so drake was going after him called in the p word said get out of here and was doing this on the broadcast as well spectacular out of here and was doing this on the broadcast as well. Absolutely spectacular. Yeah, unfortunately, we're playing this goof tonight, but it is what it is.

You know what I mean? Hey, look, we're going to take the break. You're going to stay with us. I bet you are. I've had enough of a lot of soda, grapefruit. It's time to take a break. By the way, put the camera on Jesse Reyes. She looks 20 million out of 10 tonight.

Let's let's get a camera shot of her. Forget these clowns. Jesse, oh, yeah, let's get a shot of of her, forget these clowns. Jesse, we have a picture. Oh yeah, let's get a shot of her. Look at that, wowzers. Wowzers. An absolute national treasure right there. 101.92.

Jack and I. Holy smokes. Speaking of national treasure. Yes, if you ever put a DeRozan banner up, I'll go up there and pull it down myself. That's the answer to the question. Is that what you're going to ask? No! I didn't mention that at all. Well, you know DeRozan banner up, I'll go up there and pull it down myself. That's the answer to the question. Is that what you're going to ask? No.

Oh, well, you know, it's a ride. I didn't Kyle. Yeah. Well, shout out to the statues are next. Well, yeah, they are. Thank you for joining us. Oh, they're cutting me. Court, I'm getting cut. Let's come back to Jesse.

Jamel before I get your thoughts on this, let's just get to Rosen real quick. He was asked about this, the idea of tearing down his banners. He sounds like Stugat saying that if Dwayne Wade played for anyone outside of Miami, he would never allow him to have a statue. Was I wrong? Yes, you were wrong. You didn't do anything to prevent the statue. Let's see what it is that DeRozan said.

I mean, Laurence Fishburne got a statue. It's Wayne Wade still waiting. Let's see what DeRozan had to say. Drake said, if you ever put up the DeRozan banner up, I'll go up there and put it down myself. What's your action with that? Well, he going to have a long way to climb to take it down. So I tell him, good luck.

What are your thoughts here? This is sad. This is Raptors basketball was winning champion. I won a championship a few years ago. Yeah, this is sad, but you know what I love about that clip? I actually hadn't heard the audio. I'd only read, I'd heard the Marta Rosen's response, but I hadn't heard Drake actually on the broadcast,

though I was familiar with what he said. I love how the play-by-play commentator is trying to get back to the game. uh... on on the broadcast though i i i was familiar with what he said i'd love to know the uh... the in the play-by-play commentator is trying to get back to the game as he's got to get out what i want ninety-two at his back to you know it is about that game right now i just like you just let drake go on filter but here's a problem seen something like that does it actually is a bad look for drake

and given the year that he's had, see, to me, Kendrick Lamar's greatest victory over Drake was, you know, Drake is a very established artist. He's a successful artist. He's a popular artist. People around the world love his music. But to me, what Kendrick Lamar accomplished with Not Like Us is that he actually made Drake look corny.

And it's hard to do it with somebody who's that popular, that famous, who has accomplished so much in his career. And I think the sting of that is still eating at Drake's soul at every opportunity. Now, what people need to understand is, although Demar DeRozan played for the Raptors, he is very much an LA guy. I mean, this is where he's from Los Angeles, all right?

So in the battle, who did you think he was gonna choose? I mean, and he didn't, what he did was he appeared in Kendrick's video, Kendrick, another LA guy. I also tell you this as a third thing. See, we, people who have been around people who have fought know the people who wanna to fight, right? And what I will say is that it's real easy to say that stuff when you're on a microphone in a booth. And when he called, you know, Demar DeRozan that P word, he said it real silently under his breath, because one thing you always got to watch is the quiet ones. Demar DeRozan, very nice guy. I've had an opportunity

to meet him socially and nice guy, but that's one of those dudes. They say, always watch the quiet ones. You don't want that smoke. You don't want none of that. That's all I got to say. You don't want any of that. And if people are like, oh, you know, you know, what are you talking about? I tell you what, Google what happened when a stalker of Kim Kardashian, because DeMar DeRozan lives by Kim Kardashian, and a stalker broke into the wrong house, which was DeMar DeRozan's. Everybody Google that story. I'm going to give you a little homework. All right, I will.

Okay? All right, good. Give us a story. She's interesting. I'll let you read it. Jamel is saying he is not someone to be trifled with. That's what I'm saying. And it's not just about that story, but I've lived in LA for six years.

I know I'm an outsider, but you live here long enough, you start to understand who people, especially in LA, who the LA guys are in LA and what they mean to certain people. So I'ma just leave it at that. Is that the Larry O'Brien trophy next to you? Looks like it. What is that trophy next to you?

I've been thinking about it the whole time. What is happening there? This is my microphone. I told you. Oh, man. Wow, that is a good microphone. The podcast is called Spolitics. The TV show is called Above the Fold.

Last thing, last note as we let you go, her show is Thursday, 7 Eastern on TruTV. What's going to be happening by Thursday of this week? Man, I will already, we're, you know, we're just Monday in, Saints have already fired their coach. I think we will also on Above the Fold, we will definitely continue this conversation about not just Joel and B, but everybody saw what happened with Jason Kelsey and just this idea of boundaries and respect and much the way you said, Dan,

about what's been lost or gained or what is non-existent. And so one of the things I loved about Above the Fold, and thank you, by the way, for recognizing that the title of the show is owed to newspapers, is to have layered and nuanced conversations like the ones that you guys have a lot of times on your show.

All right, well that's promoting it, but where do you think America will be Thursday by the time your show is set? Oh, you mean the election. I'm sorry, my bad. That's all right. Like, will it still be here? Like, what are you asking?

Yeah, I was asking, yeah, I was asking, will your show still be here, and will America also? My show will still be here and will America also, will America still be here? So interestingly enough, I actually won't be here when this happens, I've already voted, but I'm leaving the country because this weekend is my fifth wedding anniversary.

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