The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 2: Lenny Kimes, the Backup QB

Episode Date: September 21, 2023

Mina Kimes is here for Hour 2 to talk all things NFL including Mike McDaniel as the top young coach in the league, Justin Fields, Deshaun Watson, Russell Wilson, and more. She also does her best limit...ed fake dolphins, and it's a sound to behold. Plus, Winning Time, Jay Mohr, and limited fake Batman. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:35 Subscribe today at publicmobile.ca different is calling This is the Dunlambator Show with this two-guts podcast! She is the host and the second star of the very popular podcast, the Minakime Show featuring Lenny, the Lenny Show featuring Minakimes, regardless of her football information. What are you shaking your head and know about? You're saying no, that's not what should be the Lenny show featuring Meena Kimes, regardless her football information. What are you shaking your head? Know about you're saying, no, that's not, that's not what should be. I Lenny is like the backup quarterback of an NFL team who never plays, but everyone's convinced is more talented than the starter, right? Which is like the best thing to be in professional sports.
Starting point is 00:01:20 A guy who gets paid $10 million a year, never has to play. The fan base is always going, Lenny, Lenh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh,
Starting point is 00:01:32 leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, leh, le football person who loves football in a way that's totally unreasonable, I would say. You don't have another, like what is another passion that is in the realm of stimulating your curiosities the way that football does? You love music, obviously you love Lenny, but nothing does it for you the way football does, correct? Yeah, nothing yet.
Starting point is 00:01:59 This will be put to the test pretty soon, I guess, but at the moment, football is number one. Yes, you're going to give birth soon. And that child will take second place to football. Unless the child is a football. That is correct. Can you help me through the first couple of weeks of the season, though, when you get schematically excited about stuff, when you're watching film and coaches are allowing you and on you with innovation, who are the top coaches that you're looking at and simply saying, because it was Andy Reed for a while there, but I feel like they're a handful of young people who are now competing for his throne.
Starting point is 00:02:35 Very obvious, Sansares, of course, Mike McDaniel, but I think it's worth taking a beat to note that what he's doing is on both the casual fan and the extreme film nerds alike. Like what he's doing is so cool and surprising and difficult to stop that anyone an alien could land on Earth turn on a dolphin's game and say that looks hard to stop. And then an ex is an oh his person who's grinding tape around the clock. We'll say, I don't know how you stop that. So I think he has to be number one with a bullet all throughout a defensive coach that I'm actually really enjoying watching. That's Mike McDonald in Baltimore. Ravensha Speets in Senati. His game plans are some of my favorite to watch right now. It's not quite analogous to what Mike's doing on offense, but the amount of disguise, the bluffing pressures, the chaos pre snap, it is very fun to watch as well.
Starting point is 00:03:33 Well, we were talking before you came on about everything that just happened with Justin Fields. And we were saying how cool it would be if a quarterback could just stand in front of his locker and say to the media and have the media react reasonably to, guys, it's hard out there and things are moving fast. And I've got a lot in my head. You understand that and that not to be controversial. Like that for us, I don't think that even you could explain to the audience how difficult that position is to play when you have to be that fast with your mind. How difficult it is to master.
Starting point is 00:04:06 But if he told the truth, which is, I don't trust my eyes right now. I believe that's the truth because when you watch Justin feels there's a lot of moments where he is looking at an open, the offense sucks. There's no doubt about that. That makes no sense to me that he does not get design carries anymore. I don't understand it. However, when you watch this tape, he is looking at open receivers at times and he is not pulling the trigger.
Starting point is 00:04:32 And then if he were to be honest and say, yeah, I don't know, man, I'm really not sure what I'm seeing out there or I'm questioning whether I'm afraid of throwing interceptions. He would get destroyed because those traits, if we're being honest, are very important to being a good quarterback in the NFL. And I say that as someone who's not throwing in the towel on Justin Fields, but if you can't do that, if you can't prove that, he's never going to be a successful NFL quarterback. So I don't think he can admit those things because he would correctly be criticized for it. One of the worst units you've seen in the NFL size bears offense.
Starting point is 00:05:08 Well, that's the reason I asked the question. Yeah, I mean, the bears offense is like a horror show every Monday when the tape drops is just disgusting and really, really hard to watch. And it's a failure and like many, many people's parts, not just Justin Field. So that's number one. like many, many people's parts, not just Justin field. So that's number one. Shoot. I mean, there's right now, I think actually, I haven't seen any like truly awful defenses. I mean, the Bears defense is like quietly getting away with being bad because the Bears offense is so bad. Everybody's like dialed in on that. But that's definitely been an issue. filed in on that, but that's definitely been an issue.
Starting point is 00:05:49 I would say, but bouncing around the league, haven't loved what I've seen from the Chargers Pass defense, which is I think a pretty big storyline. But other than that, offensively, I think some of the offenses that are struggling right now will look better. The thing about week three is you really have to look at the schedule and some of the competition, this competition can be a large reason for why certain teams don't, I think, look as good as we expected.
Starting point is 00:06:17 I'll throw in another one. The Panther's offense is very unpleasant to watch. Bryce Yang is struggling, but nobody's open in that offense, which is not to absolve Bryce Young, but literally no one's open. But meena, I would say that Bryce Young looks in my lifetime before the last couple of years, the way every first year quarterback in his second game tends to look. I guess maybe before Cam Newton, at some point, the, the, the learning curve at this position got so fast that you can't have two bad games where you're learning the most difficult position and
Starting point is 00:06:51 sports before we pounce. You know, who looks pretty good, though? CJ Stroud, who is also playing his, you know, this was his second NFL start. I was pretty impressed by his week to tape, especially because the questions about him coming into NFL was always playing in such a perfect situation in Ohio State, throwing two better wide receivers will ever have in the NFL behind a brick wall. It doesn't really play well under pressure. So far through two weeks, I think he's been extremely impressive under pressure.
Starting point is 00:07:21 The Texas offensive line was missing like four out of five starters this past week, and he was getting mercilessly attacked, but he was still throwing down field. He was making plays with his legs. If I was a Texans fan, I'd feel pretty good about what I've seen so far. Mina, it's Charlotte. Hey. Hi. I miss you. First of all, second of all, can you help me understand how to feel about the New England Patriots right now?
Starting point is 00:07:49 Like what's got like it is their hope. I feel like there might be hope blockpunt was cool That was really cool and Mike keeps playing this the wild thing sound But yeah, can you just can you help me figure out how to feel? Were you old enough when the wild things movie came out, Charlotte, or was that before your time? I might have been in just not knowing it because that was like the smuddiest movie for kids are. I think Mike and I are around the same age.
Starting point is 00:08:18 That was the one where we were like, I was like borderline kids weren't allowed to see it. It was um, wow. Yeah, the Patriots. Actually, I would, what I was saying earlier about how like there's teams where, oh, you got to really consider competition. I mean, they played the Eagles and the dolphins. So I think most people would have in their top five in the NFL and they came pretty close
Starting point is 00:08:39 to beating both of them. I think the Patriots have an extraordinarily good defense. I think they have a quarterback an extraordinarily good defense. I think they have a quarterback who's actually not playing that poorly right now. And I think it won't matter because they came into this year with the hardest schedule in the NFL by most advanced metrics. And they're in a very challenging division. It stinks because I don't think they're a bad football team. And they're going to grind out some disgusting low scoring wins. But they just don't have the talent at the skill
Starting point is 00:09:06 positions to keep up with the likes of Miami and Buffalo in my mind. But the defense is really fun to watch. They do a lot of really cool stuff. They're very multiple, a lot of guys who can do different kinds of things. So I don't think they're going to get like blown out of any games. I was saying earlier though, Mena, that the pads are two and seven in their last nine games and the two wins are against Colt McCoy and Skylar Thompson back up quarterbacks.
Starting point is 00:09:29 And not only that, but the pads this season have two offensive plays of more than 20 yards down field. That must be such an exasperation for people who have watched 20 years of Tom Brady football to watch that looking that way. And I think it's why Tony Mazerati of the Boston, whatever, says he should be fired. He should be fired that Belicech should be fired. But Belicech. Yes. Right. Two games in fired. I think Belicech, the GM deserves a lot of scrutiny for the lack of talent they've
Starting point is 00:10:01 added at wide receiver, which is a huge reason why the offense isn't playing well. But Bella checked the coach. I guess I would challenge people if you can separate them, which you can't, because it's two guys. It's one person doing two jobs. But let's imagine the Patriots had a different GM and live in that world. Do you think a coach would be
Starting point is 00:10:25 doing better with the pieces at his disposal? I don't think so, frankly. And I think the offense is actually is doing the best that they can right now with what they have. They haven't even been that bad. And like I said, I think Mike Jones is actually playing better than he's getting credit for. But Bill Bell check is also the GM. And I do think it is a lot of criticism on that part. What about the last few years beating up on the dolphins in that division with the best quarterback of all time made him think, oh, Devonte Parker and Gaseki, this is where we go. This is, this is how we win. I'll tell you what made him think that I got Wes Welker from them and Wes Welker had
Starting point is 00:11:02 one career touchdown as a dolphin and I made him a borderline hall of favor. He made him that. I mean, what Bella check would think that he made him that Bella check think it was Brady or does Bella check think it was Bella check. Bella check better look in the mirror because without Brady, there's a one sash staring back in the mean. I mean, he have to look in the mirror. Does Bella check better look in the mirror?
Starting point is 00:11:23 How long do you think he looks in the mirror every day before he loses house? Trying to smudge off the Dave Wandsash from the from the reflection. How do you think Bill Bell check felt getting killed by Braxton Berios and Rivers Craf. River Craf crashed. By the way, speaking of West Wilkirk, what do you think that felt like? That's what we were saying. After all those years of genius and he's looking on the field and he's like, really, I can't stop Van Ginkle. I don't know how to stop Van Ginkle. This is what's the end of me.
Starting point is 00:11:49 But he's being hoisted by his own pitard. I use it right finally, I think, for once. And the history of me mangling that phrase, I think I got it right this time. I don't know why you'd try to bring back hoisted by his own pitard, which is something that nights were doing, whenever it is that nights were doing. Whenever it is that nights were doing nightly things. I've lancered a white receiver in this. What do I do with my hands? Don't do that hand gesture again, please. That's very dangerous to do. Oh, I'm looking in the mirror now. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, on to the shower.
Starting point is 00:12:19 That's your bell check impression. Wow, wait a minute. Wait a minute. second person. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Oh, mirror. I like it. What would you like about that Bella check impersonation? Working really hard on the whole thing. Even by my standards that was bad. You just got to work in and on too at some point. Drunk in York. The long snapper really dialed up is a training regimen today. A lot of point we spent many days working on. If you want to talk about that, I can get into it in extreme detail. We're on, you know, we're on to Cincinnati. So, money is a thing, but it's not everything.
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Starting point is 00:13:37 That's really easy. If you're on your... That's not it. That's not it. Yeah. And there's a World War II veteran pitching into another white guy and he avoids another white guy Oh my god, not a name the fighting Irish have done it again for the White people who got
Starting point is 00:13:54 Sorry He's black and I was really Sorry man I'm a big fan of like, I'm sorry man. I'm in Provinear. It's a pretty cool rip. That's the picture running down the side. He smells it differently. All right, his name is Chubby. Maybe you didn't hear me correctly.
Starting point is 00:14:12 His name is Chubby Chakas. Is it an S at the end? I feel like that should be the largest of five. And Chubby Chakas, it sounds like a college football name. This is the Dalabatar show with the Stuhgats. I am urging you to listen to the Mina Kimes podcast with Lenny because there is nothing like it, I would say, anywhere in football. Mina is still crazed and obsessive about learning about the sport that I'm not gonna say
Starting point is 00:14:50 is unlearnable, but it is really hard to know all the things that she knows, and you have to do a lot of work in order to keep up with so many changes, Mina, because it changes really quickly. DeShan Watson has seen the entire sport in the last couple of years change so much that he's no longer good at it, which is baffling to me. I mean, I don't know if it is because you can't have that kind of rust.
Starting point is 00:15:18 I don't know if it is because you can't endure what it is that he felt in the off season and come back as the same person being under the scrutiny of everyone is looking at you and being like, man, you are a person who we don't like. That is not something that the Sean Watson has had to deal with the entirety of his life. I don't know the energetic strain of somebody and their mind, but Dishon Watson now stinks at football. And that's a lot of guaranteed money to have at a position that it doesn't seem like he can play very well. And he's got skill players. I mean, it's not like he didn't have help there either.
Starting point is 00:15:56 So I'm just mentally pivoting. I was spending the entire break preparing to do dolphin sound effects. And you took us to Dishon Watson. So I'm just to. I prefer your choice. Your choice is the better choice. So I would love an explanation as to why Dishon Watson is bad now. Like I don't think we're in change. He got old. I don't know. Like we're, I mean, Dan, we're going to talk about this in depth on Pablo show. I guess doing a little promo for that, that podcast, but he's 28 though. You say he got old. He's 28. Let me, okay, let me phrase that. He got all him spend a lot of time away from football. There's not a lot of precedent for that for guys who, who, who, so much of what Watson, and look, this psychological side, I can't speak to, we can try to unpack that later. I'm sure
Starting point is 00:16:40 that's factoring into all of this, um this knowing, you know, what the world thinks of you or a good portion of the world. But what made him so great earlier and just speaking about the football side, earlier in his career, he was a quarterback who took a lot of sacks. It was always part of his games, kind of not on like Russell Wilson, but he offset those negative plays and being quarterback, it takes a lot of s sex and the NFL is often a deal killer with magic. I mean, so much of what he did was out of structure, buying time with his legs, finding guys down field,
Starting point is 00:17:12 and then playing with this like incredible confidence to throw the ball to them, because he's beautiful, he had a beautiful deep ball. What happens when you lose that elusiveness and the magic is you're just left with a guy who takes a lot of sex because he's not been good at other things He doesn't look the same to me. He doesn't look the same out there when he moves He does not look as elusive or agile. He's not buying time in the way that he did You know, he they still use him as design runner a fair amount
Starting point is 00:17:42 I mean like they're running like cubie power and Cleveland, they're doing whatever they can because the thing is so clearly a bad investment at this point, they're just trying to rescue it. Is it unfair to look across previous areas, like Randall Cunningham's and Michael Vicks? These were really athletic quarterbacks with phenomenal deep balls that Michael Vicks is actually a pretty great comp.
Starting point is 00:18:02 That is the, yeah, that is the thing. Because he also dealt with the off the field stuff and came back to a fandom that was all of a sudden turning on him and made him a villain. They were able to do it. What's different about this era and what's different about the Sean that he's not allowed that he's not able to overcome. Yeah, you're right. Michael Vick is the I said there weren't a lot of examples.
Starting point is 00:18:22 I was wrong. You're right. Michael Vick is a really good example. Although, again, mentally, like who knows coming into that, how he feels, whatever. But I do think with Vick and with, you know, he, Andy Reed and him worked together to kind of rebuild him as a quarterback. He did not play later in his career the way he did earlier. I mean, he's still extremely athletic and they still use his legs, but his game did evolve
Starting point is 00:18:50 in that second part of his career in a way that I don't see Dishon Watson's game having evolved when he's on the field. It's almost like, you know, when like somebody tries to fit into their clothes from when they were young or something and they don't fit anymore and they're still insisting that they fit. That's probably for COVID. Yeah. I just might least favorite game. Do these jeans still fit. Yeah. I don't play that one anymore. Is this what happened to Russell Wilson though when you talk about the mobility and the elusiveness and where it is that a quarterback sort of dies a little bit? Yeah. It's not too similar. You're right. Yeah. I mean, I really think there's a lot of similarities.
Starting point is 00:19:25 I think Watson was probably better than Russ at certain points. So though, Russ was, I think, more consistent, longer and whatever. But yeah, I do think it's similar when you watch him so much of what Russell Wilson does is based on similar things. Russell Wilson is never going to be a quick game quarterback. He's never going to throw to the middle of the field consistently. When Sean Payton took that job, you know, some it was pointed out, well, you know, he kept through Breeze's career going long past his arm dying out. But that was never like Russell Wilson's arm, as you saw on that
Starting point is 00:19:57 Hail Mary, is still really strong. The problem is the things he's good at and his weaknesses are not things that age particularly well. Now, I do want to say something, having watched Wester Wilson, he's not currently the problem in Denver. I actually think he's not playing that terribly in the defense as the bigger problem, but it was predictable. It should have been predictable that the back nine of his career would not look great. Can you tell us what you feel like you've learned the first two weeks that you did not know that I didn't know coming into the season? I think Kansas City's offense, they'll probably be fine, but the offensive tackle issue is
Starting point is 00:20:39 real. The talent issue is real. You can be bad at kind of skill players. One of those things, but not both at the same time. I think sort of suspected Joe Burrow's injury would be a pretty big problem in Cincinnati. I mean, it was the re-aggravation at the end of the game that has me concerned, but I am seriously worried about that offense if that's a thing that's going to linger. Just to go back to the dolphins, that offense struggled a bit at the end of the season outside of two as injuries. And I feel like we knew Mike McDaniel was good. We knew this offense
Starting point is 00:21:13 was a buzz solid. Statistically, they were insane. The first half of the season. What we have seen this in this first part of the season is two things. One One Mike McDaniel has, this is not the same offense we saw last year. He has made little, I'm sure you guys are eating it up. Miami all these like the short motions, what he's doing in the run game. Like he's made continued to make tweaks in a way that great coaches do. It is an evolving organism. And I think Tuah has flashed moments as a playmaker outside of structure, particularly in week one that he did not consistently do last season that make me more confident in him as a quarterback
Starting point is 00:21:51 than I was last year. We were giving the stats earlier that he's getting the ball, he's getting rid of the ball quicker than anybody in the sport and also throwing it down field 10 yards on average tied for most in the sports. When I tell you that the dolphins are first in using motion in the league and second in play action in the league, that tells you what about how they're undressing people. It's a combination of speed, accuracy, anticipation, but then screwing with defenses, rules and alignments before the snap that makes it very hard to stop.
Starting point is 00:22:31 If they were an offense that was fast and two of them got the ball out and it was throwing in all that stuff, but they were static, defenses could better prepare for what they're seeing. Defenses who try to confuse them on the back end, the way some great defenses do, I think a Dallas does a fantastic job with them. But you can't do that because all of the chess pieces on the board are moving before the snap. So if you try to move for the snap because of the speed and the downfield attack, you're going to be in the wrong position. I mean, football really right. It's about leverage. It's about angles. And right now, they are screwing with the math of the game because they're constantly putting defenders
Starting point is 00:23:10 in positions where they're going to take a bad angle. Somebody on the football field, because of what's happening for this map, is going to be out of position or take a bad angle. It's really, really hard to stop. This all sounds way too good to be true. She's got like the chiefs and the bangles going in this direction. The bills didn't look good in week one. I know they look better last week, but it just all seems too good to be true for the dolphin. Too law.
Starting point is 00:23:33 Good to be true. Because as soon as he gets hurt, you're proper bleeped. That's right. I'm really excited that. But I can make dolphin noises. But that, okay, let's do that. Was Aaron Rogers bleeping with us when he said that part of his healing regimen is listening to dolphins have sex?
Starting point is 00:23:47 Answer is a dolphin. Answer is a dolphin. I'm like a dolphin having sex, then. No, no, wait, no. No, I didn't say like, I did it so well during the break. It had to be. Did you?
Starting point is 00:23:58 Did you? No. No, that's somebody drunk. Please save her from herself here. Please. And it's just like someone who's... What's going on, Alan? No, this is like drive. Please saver from yourself here. And it's just like someone. We know this is like some really weird fetish that's going to be sold on the dark web. So please stop this. Take two lay out.
Starting point is 00:24:15 I mean, you don't want this out there. Okay. Are you solving? It sounds like you're ugly crying. It does not. It has, it's sad, sad dolphins having unpleasant sex that makes them both feel unpleasant about what they're doing together. They're the only animals other than humans who have sex or pleasure, right? That is true. Yes. Yeah. So why would it be unpleasant? We were saying how you sound it. Anthony Richardson, how did he look to you before he got hurt? He looked good. I mentioned CJ Stroud, but I thought Richardson looked good too. I think I liked him a lot as a prospect. I felt like the athleticism and what he can do with his legs gives him and his size,
Starting point is 00:25:09 his sheer size and strength. It gives him like a floor coming into the NFL because it clarifies coverages. It makes it easier for, it makes it harder for defenses to just figure out how to play him. But I also thought like when you watched him, he was reading, he was seeing the field well and making the right reads. And an offense that felt catered to his skill set, which is why I liked the landing spot so much. Shane Stuyke and coming from Philadelphia, I just felt like the right marriage. A reminder that you should find wherever it is you find your podcast, the Lenny podcast with Meena Kimes, that is getting very popular.
Starting point is 00:25:47 Also, as she mentioned, Poblotori finds out, which is even more popular. This makes Meena insane that Poblotori finds out is even more popular. I don't think it's more popular. It's not true. For the moment, capitalizing on algorithms and such. I don't think the numbers support that. I think the numbers support that. I think they do a lot of fine.
Starting point is 00:26:06 They don't. It's where she will be found doing some of her best work. Publicory finds out where we always have to pit them against one another. Um, they pit each other against each other. They are doing it. They are competitive. They are.
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Starting point is 00:27:58 Chris, you may be surprised to learn that Roy came in this way and you can never predict. Never predict. what Roy will be obscenely pissed off about. And this week it was that winning time was canceled after two seasons by HBO. Winning time by our friend Adam McKay was really creative and fun and unusual and sounds like they lost losing time. We've been a better joke, Dirk. Chris. I think any of the jokes would have been funny there, especially in a rough day and with. I'm not saying that would have been a better joke. He was using time. I said,
Starting point is 00:28:39 go with it. And then he went with lost. Well, you guys workshopped it. I said, no. And you know, when and when I stopped son. Thanks for doing that. Yes, you were out. And you got the third base coach fired and the coach wants to kill you now, wants to strangle you to death so that your face becomes even better than it is right now. But at least we're here now. Roy, how do you feel? Well, how would you articulate to us? How hurt you? Where why is it that it was an unreasonable amount of hurt? I like the show too. I enjoyed how creative it was. The recreations, this is difficult, right? I saw some of the behind-the-scenes video on you know, camera men on roller skates moving around the basketball court to recreate a close-up on Larry
Starting point is 00:29:18 Bird's face as he's trying to guard Magic Johnson, an actor who looked like Larry Bird, trying to guard magic Johnson, an actor who looked like Larry Bird, Karim Abdul Jibar, these people looked realistic enough to make me believe that they were an excellent depiction, excellent casting. What is it that hurts you so much about it? Well, it has so much more story to go to. And obviously this is based on a true story. So I'm not spoiling it, spoiling anything for you. The very first scene was Magic Johnson,
Starting point is 00:29:45 finding out they had HIV, they're not gonna get to that. They ended the show with the Celtics, we're in the finals. I mean, come on, that's bad. They're not gonna talk about Pat Rowley going to New York. They were about to get the cookie Johnson marrying Magic Johnson, they're not gonna get to that. It hurts.
Starting point is 00:30:01 It hurts when you make an emotional investment in some of these shows, when they grab you, when you're binging them, and then all of a sudden they're just gone. We could have had a happy breakfast club like post-credits scene of just Pat Riley spent the rest of his career beating the shit out of Boston. I feel responsible for this because I enjoyed season one, but didn't start season two. So I feel like it's people like me that are the reason. No, this has nothing to do with viewership. This is not the way these decisions are being made.
Starting point is 00:30:29 I like the thing it was because of me. Okay, it was because of you. I kind of share the same guilt because now I'm not even getting to season two. My ass, what's I wanted to watch? And I was just, you know, doing stuff. Oh, it sounds like it was Mike's fault too. Yeah, Jeff from the Blaine's both of you.
Starting point is 00:30:43 I'm a contributing factor here, but now I'm that, why invest myself? I know it's art, but. Come on. It did seem like an expensive show. It did seem. John C. Riley by himself was probably 10 million a year. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:56 Mike Ryan broke news to me the other day about Jeannie Busse and she famously dated Phil Jackson for a long time, the bus family famously broke apart, at least in part because the brothers weren't very good at running things. And Jeannie was better as a business mind, but couldn't lure Phil Jackson back at the end, which had to be awkward through their relationship to come and fix everything that he destroyed while he was with the next. But Mike Ryan told me, and I did not know this, that Jeannie Bus is now dating the comedian Jay Moore, who they were doing.
Starting point is 00:31:37 At the forum, they were doing some comedy show nights together. I did not know that they were dating, though. They have like a business partnership where comedian Jay Moore is doing comedy circuit stuff with her. Jay Moore was on the season. He played Karim's agent. Just think about what a great epilogue that would have been. Jean Buzz married this guy.
Starting point is 00:31:56 It's in the show. I had such high hopes for Jay Moore's late night comedy show on ESPN because of how talented he is as a comedian and how good he was on Jim Rome show. It was actually good. More sports was good. It just really didn't fit what ESPN was doing. And that was if you think ESPN is conservative now, which I guess by comparison, they're not
Starting point is 00:32:16 at all because greenie can say the F word now and we'll all kick our head back and laugh because let's admit it. That's funny. And Mad Dog can tell you he's on drugs and drinking. And it's going on over there. As soon as we leave, all sorts of fun. Let's update the polls at Levitse.
Starting point is 00:32:32 Long live with our politics. Let's read the polls, Chris Cody. Chris Cody, I think was supposed to pay his penalty today of speaking the entire show. Oh, shit. I was supposed to talk like this all shoot today. As the dark night, not Alex Jones. And the workshopping is the warrior trolling.
Starting point is 00:32:49 Do the polls. This does not serve your punishment. You were supposed to speak all show as the dark night. Do the polls as the dark. I'll give you a five seconds to workshop. The right key is I read the sponsor tag because the polls are brought to you by dollars shave club epic razors, epicly affordable, find them in stores or online.
Starting point is 00:33:11 If you came home at TJ Hawkinson was in your living room, would you move your pants? 61% of yes. Is lip balm a life necessity. Fifty-nine says yes. That white face, that white face. Older phrase for drinking. On the Hooch, a couple of nips. I feel like you're starting to lose it a little. On the Hooch, 63%. You could not do this for a full show. Do you realize how catastrophic it would be to your career in your voice if you tried to do that? Do you ever expect a headbutt? Falcony.
Starting point is 00:33:55 90% say no. Jackermer. Action star, a porn star. Pornstar 81%. Falcony. Falcony. Action star a porn star porn star 81% Focke me Focke me would you trust your head coach more if his nickname if his name was Jack Hammer Six oh shit. He's just slow down. Yeah, there's 72% I guess It is Alex Jones
Starting point is 00:34:21 I'm back If variable actually cut it off would it be a stretch to think he would throw it? Swat him me 82% I know Better Burgers or tacos Burgers 56% upset Alfred Did you know that did you know that evil can evil wasn't particularly good at
Starting point is 00:34:47 motor oh shit do you love a little honk wait a minute 72% say yes I want the motorcycle jig tap or told us that evil can evil wish your gourd give me the motor you know that evil canval wasn't particularly a good dammit. There's a tough sentence. Now I feel like the dirty demon. Did you know that evil Keneval wasn't particularly good? This is written poorly.
Starting point is 00:35:15 Was not. He wasn't a particular. Did you know that evil Keneval wasn't a particularly good motorcycleist? That's the way there's a good thing. Batman phonetically having his sound things out because he's a least Wayne. There's a good sin. Batman phonetically having his sound things out because he's a poor reader. He's a new great character.
Starting point is 00:35:29 You know what? You're the rest of this, as that Jesus forever. Go bleep yourself, Dan. Now do it. Four, four, and forever. Do it as poor reading drive-saving. No, stop. 10 Gs or 10 K.
Starting point is 00:35:44 10 K, 65%. Harvey Dent. Oh, I found it again Was Dan Lebedard shit was the Dan Lebedard show funny until COVID ruined all their brains scarecrow 77% say yes, I'm done. You are so good. Not everyone. My throat hurts listen everyone go bleep yourself You are so good. You know it, everyone. My throat hurts. Listen, everyone go bleep yourself. I think, Mike Ryan, we have to develop more segments around Chris Cody reading poorly.
Starting point is 00:36:15 Retro. Where is she? Pretty solid. Yeah, that's the best one. When are you going to do some of your punishments? You told me I promise this go. I I you say it. It can't be worse than Stugats is the other day. No, no, no, that very in fact, it was so bad. It doesn't count. There is actually an editorial board now.
Starting point is 00:36:36 You can't just half-ass. They got just going. Yeah, yeah. Well, Stugats decided to lip sync for an America's Got Talent. I reviewed the tape and realized that's not a talent. So he's going to have to view something better. I am worried about the upcoming football season for a number of different reasons, because there are 15 weeks of this left and already, Mike Ryan, Billy is fed up with Stugat. And Stugat is on Monday ending the show, peedering out by just saying into a microphone, I'm tired as an excuse for all the ways that he is mailing it in.
Starting point is 00:37:16 God bless football is an important property around here that is getting a lot of success. But Billy is going to be made crazy by Stugat and his scheduling. And now lacrosse has started again. And I am just a scheduling as if there is actually any scheduling. I'm worried about the mental health of Billy. I believe this battering of Stugat's lies and scheduling and let's tape now, but I'm not available and I'm irresponsible. I'm worried about the sanity of Billy. I don't know how much he can handle this
Starting point is 00:37:49 with also screaming children, babies in the house, or a toddler and a baby in the house, where you guys can all speak to how difficult this time is to get an infant to sleep correctly so that you can maintain some semblance of proper rest and sanity. Yeah, you have something in your life that is constantly screaming, complaining, you're trying to figure out how to help it, it can't get out of its own wake.
Starting point is 00:38:16 That's what they're trying. Yeah. I ruined your joke. Yeah, you did. You did. It was a good one too, man. It was. I was getting there.
Starting point is 00:38:24 Jesus Christ. I was getting good one too, man. It was, I was getting there. Jesus Christ. I was getting there. I'm tired. Well, I hope you have another minute in here, because this one's a hard one. I got this down. I did this. Lay out.
Starting point is 00:38:37 You got us. You got us. Rachel. I'm gonna leave her on. Come here, come here, Gordon. Yeah. This is the one you actually have to hit, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go I'm sorry that I fouled up your joke. I'm sorry that I fouled up your timing. I am genuinely worried. Power back. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:08 Yeah. I am genuinely worried about what's going to happen to Billy because they're gonna kill each other. It's what. You know Charlotte just left our studio. She didn't actually just go do oddball. She just left. I think she quit.
Starting point is 00:39:21 Is shredsum tar a real thing? It should be. That sounds cool. Yes, shred some tar America's now do that as Batman shredding tar You you

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