The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 2: Mike Ryan's Case For Top 5 Executive Producer's Of All-Time

Episode Date: February 12, 2025

Dan makes sure Tony is up to speed on two important moments he missed while he was gone: Dan being racist in New Orleans and the Walter Payton story. Then, reports have surfaced that part of the disagreement between Aaron Rodgers and Aaron Glenn's New York Jets stems from New York's unwillingness to let Rodgers continue with his recurring role on The Pat McAfee Show. Which is more valuable to Aaron Rodgers: his platform on the show or his contract with a NFL team? Plus, Mike Ryan believes he's a GOAT, Dan feels bad for Marcus Smart, and the crew goes through the Centers who Michael Jordan led to a title. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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This episode of the Dan Lebatard Show with Stugats is presented by DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours. I need a democratic decision from the group. Democrats? Denied. On behalf of the audience, okay? I need a ruling here of some sort because the soft talking producer of South Beach Sessions

who came back in here again and argued with me now the third time during today's show that he has decided to do that, he has suggested to me that a guest or two that would be important to the telling of the story properly of how it is that I was racist in New Orleans, that those guests to properly tell that story will not be available until Tuesday, what's next week? What Tuesday of next week, they will be-

What is it, Joe Biden? Uh, those- I don't know why this person is so busy, but this person is critical to the story having support, or I could just tell the story now and we could be done with it, because already it's got too much buildup and it's not gonna live up to whatever it is

you guys expect it to be. Perhaps I should've said me. Yeah, yeah. I don't know why I said to be. So perhaps I should have said me. Yeah. I don't know why I said Joe Biden. It's getting a little confused here. I just signed with CAA. Did I miss something, Dan? Was this something that happened that everybody knows about and I'm in the dark in or you're

in the dark? Okay. You're everybody else knows. We want to be brought into light because Dan's racist. We pivoted while you were gone. What is the ruling? Because for the last two days, I will preface the story this way and just to catch Tony up,

if you haven't been listening for the last two days the way that Tony hasn't been listening because he's been working too hard and his top five smells in Miami. New father observations too. Right. You have those still? Oh yeah.

Okay. So excited. How long is that segment? How much time do you need for new father observation? Probably 10 minutes. 10 minutes, okay. Just to give me a buffer and then if we go fast,

we go fast, we go slow, we go slow. I got one prediction that's in there. Liquidity poop. Loop, is that one? Maybe. We'll see. Wait to see. All right, they're the new father observations

and they have now been properly teased. The story, Stu Gatz, is embarrassing to me. You're telling the story. I don't know yet if I'm telling the story, Stu Gotts, is embarrassing to me. You're telling the story. I don't know yet if I'm telling the story, but just to get Tony caught up to where it is that we are, all I have told the audience, there are two things that I have promised the audience that I did not get to,

and I like to keep my promises with the audience. One of them is the source on whether or not Walter Payton ran not wearing socks in the NFL which sounds really painful and awful. Feetness. That is correct. That was, look, Tony as if he's hearing the joke for the first time. Now you're caught up, Tony. Now you're caught up. That's it. Now you're caught up with that story. The second story is I've simply said for two days, hey, and it's been a tease and people thought I'm teasing to keep the listeners just around to see if they hear the story. Time spent listening. It's one of the reasons our sponsors are so good because we have uncommon listener retaining.

TSL. That is correct. And this device of teasing Dan's racist story for two days would be a good device to keep people around. I'm not doing that on purpose. We're just trying to find the guests who now are not available until next Tuesday. That will increase retaining. Retention is what I meant to say. Right.

Thank you, Chris. You speak so well. Why don't you find that sound of you reading and see if we play it here in just moments because you were so good at finding the place where I got caught up in the air. Let's find the most embarrassing clip of you trying to read and then let's play that in a moment feels like a lash out Tony are you?

Racist a rapist Tony do you feel like you're caught up? Yeah outside of the racist story. I feel which you haven't really told anybody feels like I'm good to go alright It's so this is funny alright. What's the vote Jeremy now or Tuesday now or Tuesday? Tuesday if we need to if we need to wait for the proper guests to really put a punctuation on this We're putting too much pressure on the story, but Mike now or Tuesday racism is evergreen. Yeah, yes Not Monday, huh? It the get well allegedly the guests will be available Tuesday We don't we'll see if the president stay on Monday. There's a holiday. Yeah It is holiday weekend. What's our Monday great American race on Sunday?

Who else is voting here I need a decision decision on whether to tell the story now, yes or no. Group? Well, I guess we'll have to wait. I vote we wait. I vote Tuesday. I want to vote, yeah, Tuesday. You're not gonna stop being a racist between now and then.

That'll still smack on Tuesday. It's All Star weekend, you got plenty of opportunities. He's a great American racist. I wanna get to the story with Stugatz and the rest of you. This was a Diana Rossini story. And not surprisingly, this is a bit of a pop culture feeding frenzy type of story, because at this point in his career, Aaron Rodgers is better as a content avatar

than he is as a football player who's going to change your football team. Unless maybe the Steelers or the 49ers can convince themselves that the next version of Aaron Rodgers will give him more support than whatever is the Jets dysfunction but the story that has caught the last couple of days and this part it's just funny to watch an organization that for 40 years has been so desperate for good quarterback play that mark sanchez resembles a shining light at the top of their organizational structure because he got to a couple of playoff games and so not surprisingly that desperate franchise

handed over to a quarterback who was a little bit brain-fried and arm-fried handed over to him a kind of power doesn't have a lot of precedent in the sport for any position where erin rogers was basically doing what he wanted to do calling his own shots and furthermore doing the things that quarterbacks are never supposed to do which is bring attention to distractions from outside the huddle because you're doing a weekly hit on national television you're doing a weekly pat mcafee it and you're not talking about

quarterbacking all the time you're talking about erin rogers enigma documentary erin rogers brand of erin rogers and so the report from day in a recent years that the jets told erin rogers no outside media including mcafee and that attendance was mandatory at mandatory practices which is something he missed some last year just took the fine and in doing so they realize they could work together anymore that if erin rogers didn't have the same power to do whatever you wanted and the

coach dared to come in and say hey you can't make this t v appearance and you gotta be a mandatory practices that That was too much for Aaron Rodgers, and now the relationship is over. They did things and asked Aaron Rodgers to do things they knew Aaron Rodgers was not willing to do. He was never going to accept those terms, not from that organization. And so you have a new head coach in Aaron Glenn

who's saying, hey, I don't care if you're Aaron Rodgers, and he has to do this, Dan, right? I don't care if you're Aaron Rodgers. You're gonna do it my way, or you're getting out of here. And I don't mind that Aaron Glenn did it. I don't. He has to. He has to save face because a lot of the criticism was exactly what you just spoke about over the last two years. Aaron was doing whatever Aaron wanted to do and Aaron Glenn is simply saying, not anymore. You're not doing it anymore. And I understand that. I do. It's funny that you understand that though

But when pat Riley does it to Jimmy Butler then we don't understand it or like yes Of course you like understand right up until the player gets so much power that he actually becomes a problem but you understand that the entire system right all of it is Made to weigh heavy on the athlete not actually having that much power, right? Because the organization showing Aaron Rodgers, who's boss now, is something that you're like, yeah! But when you could get Aaron Rodgers, you would have given him anything too

to get Aaron Rodgers, anything. But that was a different time, Danny. It was coming off two MVP years. I mean, two out of the last three seasons, he was the MVP of the league, and coming to a team in a market that was starving for a quarterback and desperate.

The thing that I find most interesting about the conflict at the height of this particular power is which is actually more valuable at this point? Whatever Aaron Rodgers can actually give you or Aaron Glenn's in charge now, new sheriff in town. What's actually more valuable? I'm gonna go with that one. I am, because I saw the old sheriff,

the old sheriff was Aaron Rogers. And it didn't go anywhere. It was not, it was not like, it got off to a bad start, unfortunate start, hurt his Achilles, then he only got a year older, got off to a real bad start at the part of the season where it couldn't. And yeah, maybe he made the season look better

by spamming his best friend footballs towards the end, who may not even want to be there either. It was a disaster on all accounts. And what the franchise was asking is like, all right, it's not working out the way that we wanted. Can you at least give us a break on the PR front? Now, it's Aaron Rodgers' prerogative. I don't like that that ass came in,

but I understand why it came in. It's certainly part of the equation when you're dealing with Aaron Rodgers is, is this guy worth this headache? And his play very clearly in his time in that uniform was not. I don't know whether you guys find the business of this part of it interesting, but Aaron Rodgers being in business with Pat McAfee on ESPN for what is reported to be a million dollars with all of these guys Belichick and everyone else because McAfee cut a production deal that allows him to just slice off a bunch of money for people that he cares about and wants to make

content with and Aaron Rodgers wants to keep both that relationship and that platform available, because it's worth not just the value. It's a valuable platform. But it's not just. Do you think it's been a worthwhile investment? Like to break the model. For everybody.

For Pat and for Aaron. That breaks the model for ESPN. ESPN prior to Pat being aboard didn't pay guests as far as I knew. Like certain things were worked out in the contracts if a sponsor came aboard, but like a flat fee for that, that's a whole new business model and it certainly worked out. It worked out in the contracts, if a sponsor came aboard, but like a flat fee for that, that's a whole new business model

and it certainly worked out. It worked out for everybody, that's out of Aaron maybe, in terms of optics. No, it worked for Aaron, it worked fine for Aaron. Yeah, he's getting paid a million dollars, but don't you think like the public perception, the endorsements, don't you think all that stuff took a hit? Oh, but you're just doing it money.

You're just doing it money. He doesn't need money at this point. That's not about like, I'm saying the million dollars because I think- He's very charitable. Like, the money could help him, like, do some good work. No, but at this point, where do you think the thing has more value?

Hey, Aaron, we'll give you a million dollars. Here's a weekly platform where you could just say whatever you want, Aaron, and everyone will be listening to your thoughts. And no one will challenge. And you'll just be there and you'll talk. I think that has more value to Aaron, so much value that he's confident enough at his age if he still wants to play.

Okay, Jets, not interested in your deal. I'll go to the Steelers or 49ers and I'll still keep doing the McAfee show. Can I ask you guys a question? Because I feel a certain way about it, but I'm genuinely curious. I don't know the answer. I assume we're working at the time that Aaron usually does his hits. So we consume Aaron's hits by social media clips and the aggregation.

By the tail end of last season, how much value was Aaron having, the starting quarterback of the New York Jets? And I understand he's a Hall of Famer, one of the greatest quarterbacks we've ever seen personally, one of my favorite quarterbacks. I do find him interesting.

I do, I read an entire book with my ears about the man. But how much value does that have, really? For whom? For anybody, because like, who's- I'm saying for Aaron. Like, this season's embarrassing. Like, I kind of felt bad for him towards the end of that. Like, we're still gonna trot him out.

Yeah, but Mike, you have a legend who's willing to talk about that on your show on a weekly. He's coming towards the end of on your show on a weekly, he's coming towards the end of his career. So you think, I was just curious, I wasn't opining. I think there's value there. I just read a book on him. Famous is more important than good.

Attention is more important than not having attention, and you guys keep talking about currency as if it's money. He wants to be current, he wants to be heard, he just made a documentary. He's got a weekly platform on Disney where no one can control what him and his friend are doing and they're doing it on the most mainstream of mainstream platforms and it looks like a giant bleep you to whoever the culture is that objects to whatever he might have to say about anything because he gets to do it without objection while he's doing it and allows him to troll

and just feed off of whatever the reaction is because it's at least in part meant to incite a reaction. But is that gonna be the only value? To him. Okay, but to like the audience, to everybody, like who's gonna keep consuming? I don't know what's happened to the numbers if people's interest waned on it.

Let's say he's out of the league entirely. Let's say he chooses to retire. Does he go back and the whole thing is a dude taking exception to a media that is not actually talking about him as much? I don't actually believe that you're totally understanding what the value of this is in the modern age. Famous polarizing person, what's he gonna say?

Do I need to tune in? The entire Pat McAfee model is built, like after it got to great success, off the further success of Aaron Rodgers kept showing up only there. But Dan, what Mike is asking is how long will that be able to sustain its value? No, but this is, are we?

Let me be clear, I think it's been great for ESPN, when he's a newsmaker, that's cool. I think it's been great for Pat McAfee. I don't. That's cool. I think it's been great for Pat McAfee I don't think it's been good for Aaron Rodgers. Okay, and we can argue this but if Aaron Rodgers gets to answer that not you and Aaron Rodgers if he's willing to leave the Jets in order to continue doing that because he believes it's that valuable to him I don't think any of us here are really qualified to speak to what it is that Aaron Rodgers Actually valid clearly has value qualified to speak to what it is that Aaron Rodgers actually values.

It clearly has value, he continues to do it. Did you read a book? With your ears? I did not read a book with my ears. By the way, you have Tomlin saying it's okay to do that show still? Also, this is something that Rustini said, and even if Aaron Rodgers agreed,

the New York Jets might have still settled on we're getting away from this guy. I actually think that this has been amplified in the social space because it's awfully convenient. Well, it wasn't my play, it was because I was going on Pat. That had to be it. No, no, it was your play and that, and that was a piece of it,

and they were looking at the totality of the picture. I find it to be a pretty interesting thing from a lot of different perspectives, given that, and I know we get forgetful, of the punctuation is going to be look at the messy made at the end but the dudes legacy is that at the position top five all-time and you can argue about however it is that you are you about that and most of those years spent as an icon who somehow replaced brett farb was considered better than brett farb improve the position beyond brett farb

by eliminating the turnovers and an icon for all time in a sport where when i'm in new orleans and joe montana walks to the restaurant i see what still happens all these years later because everybody turns around because he was he erin rogers didn't win like that but there are a lot of rodgers in terms of greatness is just as great as that guy was plus he's interesting like we know this we had a lot of the Plus he's interesting. Mike, we know this. We had him on all the time. He's an interesting guy.

And I think that interest and him being kind of interested in and piquing people's curiosity will last well beyond his playing years. Like I think people are just fascinated with him. Yes, I'm fascinated too. It's like what happened here now is like my fascination. Like what, where did this go sideways? Part of it is we got to know him better as this change in his life happened,

where his relationship with his family broke down a little bit, and he started showing us more of himself. But I think it's pretty irrefutable that this hasn't been good for Aaron Rodgers. I mean, just look at the sponsorship dollars, like all his legacy sponsors kind of moved on for the most part.

Okay, and I will leave it alone after this, Mike. I understand that you make all the best points in all of the best discussions. Thank you. But for you to think that you know what's good for Aaron Rodgers better than what Aaron Rodgers thinks is good for Aaron Rodgers is an arrogance previously unseen from you. I think his entire public persona has been built on him knowing better than other people. So I'm not going to try to buck my head against that but we are legion When it's not just me I think I know better than Aaron Rodgers on certain understood that he and he responds in kind

He under not kind he understands that the majority seem to be against him and you guys are all wrong Because when it comes to arrogance you can look in a mirror mirror and see a certain kind of arrogance and when Aaron Rogers looks in a mirror it's an even greater arrogance than yours because he's accomplished slightly more than you have let's not forget that he has a best-selling booth he didn't make a musical in my field I'm debatable you think you're the you think you're the Aaron Rodgers of your field? Of executive producing? Huh.

I'm like top five. Wow. Look at this. I give him top five. I think I'm speaking goat to goat here. Him, Paul Pabst. And I'm Zach Wilson. Who are the top five executive producers all the time that you're putting yourself in?

Chris Carlin. Yeah, I'll give Paul Papps his flowers. Oh! Hembo. He's terrible. He's a good kid, I love him. I love Hembo, I'm a mentor to Hembo, he's a good kid. How old is Hembo?

I have no idea, 29, 30. Is he a kid? I think I'm up there. He hides behind the numbers. Well you put yourself in the top five. Yeah, I think I'm up there. Mike's a top five. Well, you put yourself in the top five. Yeah, I think I'm up there. Mike's a top five. I mean, just like, look, just tenure. Yeah. I would say Hawk's a top fiver.

Mike's got 20. Baba Booey. Mike's a top fiver. You believe we've had two of the top executive producers of all time. I'm so grateful. We're giving Andy King out, but I mean. This show is such a creative sandbox that it's allowed me to flex some muscle. Like, there are probably way talented producers out there that haven't had

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Dan Libertard. It's not my favorite rejoin. Context needs to be applied. I'm going with her joke and... I thought the context was applied. We'd like to rip that out of context. I was going for a thing. And... I have a family. You're gonna pretend here that you don't love Matthew Kachak more than you love anybody you've ever loved?

I don't. I don't love Matthew Kachak more than my daughter. Stugats! Now it's pretty damn close. This is the Don Lebatar Show with the Stoogats! The idea, and I will leave it alone after this, I promise, that Mike Ryan believes this doesn't have value to Aaron Rodgers as a platform where he gets to espouse for however long he gets to espouse it, 30 minutes uninterrupted on whatever he wants to talk about. My guess is he would take that in lieu of salary next year I don't I don't doubt that I I know that he loves that he does

Very clearly does love it and it's very clearly important to him That's never been my my whole thing is has the value like he has a value to it He's assigned it and that's what's most important clearly. I'm saying has it been I'm just positing has it been a net negative For Aaron Rodgers? And if I were to pick one, I'd say yeah, it's been a net negative for him. And you'd probably be right, but then if you're entertaining the business proposition.

Thank you, that's all we finally got down to it. If you're entertaining the business proposition. Five minutes ago, I wish you said that. Okay, but the business proposition of this, where Stugatz is asking, does this have attention value next year? The answer might be no. The other answer is it doesn't matter because McAfee and Aaron Rodgers can do whatever they

want with that time and money and nobody else gets to decide. Disney doesn't get to tell McAfee, nobody gets to decide but McAfee and Rodgers and that's where it becomes interesting to me because Disney is running a business and eventually that has to show numbers. But not right now it doesn't. Disney did get to decide once as covered in his bestselling booth.

Thank you. I appreciate all of your help there. He's a top. The Jimmy Kimmel thing, the ruffle feathers. He's a top five right there. And ruffling feathers is not the same as you have the power to fire anybody because ruffling feathers, you can do plenty of.

They did force him to go on and apologize and Aaron did what he, I mean, he may say, I clarified, I didn't really apologize. And he did like, if you were offended, but like they did make that happen. Yeah, and Mike sure said that after he did some of the stuff that he did that he'd never work at Disney again and he spent the whole season there doing of the stuff that he did that he'd never work at Disney again

And he spent the whole season there doing whatever it is that he wanted with Pat McAfee after that apology Like after Mike sure is telling yet that will never work on Disney again. You say whatever he wanted Did he take any other shots at Jimmy Kimmel? Did he take any other shots at ESPN personalities? Like he was subtweeting like, sports center anchors, but I would say that that put a governor in place, it would, and maybe he wanted to take some more shots and he couldn't because it was probably a world-class producer that got in everybody's ear

that said we can't do that. I can't believe that today we have had David Sampson say that he belongs in the Hall of Fame and is better than Darren Revelle, and Mike Ryan just put himself at the top of the Mount Rush Fremont of executive producers. Put on top. But I'm top five.

Right. Right, you guys. You're supposed to let others do that for you, though. Well, I mean, no one's actually putting together this top five, because it's not that important to people. But I mean, come on, right? Sports podcast producers, sports radio producers, I'm up there.

Stugatsa. I wanted to ask you something, Stugantz, as I see that the Boston Celtics are, again, over the course of this season, they are beating up Cleveland when they go to Cleveland and beating up New York when they go to New York. And they've been uneven, because I don't imagine that they're interested in all

of the regular season games. But I wanted to at the trade deadline because it happened um... loud and fast that a lot of things got lost in the last week when the super bowl is so big that you know debo samuel asking for trade gets lost in the headlines and there's so many trade was there are so many trades in basketball that I'm guessing something I'm about to say has largely gone under the radar with people who don't care about basketball too much. Marcus Smart was the defensive player of the year and at one time with green hair viewed

as sort of the soul for why it is that Boston was good. He was the glue, Dan. Yeah, but the glue we are turning out to see in retrospect. Whoa, glue's not quite as valuable as we thought it was as glue. Because he leaves, well no, but do you even, do you know where Marcus Smart is right now? No idea.

Okay, so. I'll guess. No, no, you can, you can. Memphis, I mean, I don't know. It was. It used to be. Wow, a cup of coffee? A couple years.

All right. I saw a picture that I believe was the saddest I saw in sports last week, which was the, and I was sad because the two people involved had to wear this uniform. Chris Middleton and Marcus Smart wearing wizards, jerseys and seeing the meme go around, who beats this duo?

And seeing what happened in general to Marcus Smart's soul. Like you wore the green hair and you were the centerpiece of rah rah we're gritty Celtics basketball and now as soon as they get rid of you you're not the wizard we thought you were you're just a wizard and now Derek White is you and that's gotta got to all feel bad, right? Like, I don't know whether Derek White is you or Drew Holliday is you, but whatever it is that you were supposed to represent, I got to think it feels really shitty to be

Marcus Mark. Like, as shitty as it can feel for a basketball player to be like, I had green hair in Boston, loved me, and I was tough and I rebelled, and I was the personality and I was a star, and now I play for the Wizards and And nobody cares and Stu gots I could have I'll give it I'll ask him again next week and he'll forget like he doesn't have any idea where Marcus Smart is He is making sixteen point six million dollars this year. Why stopping that duo the tax apron? Play my phasias

Did you not feel bad for Chris Middleton like that was a champion he was a great player He's a great buddy still I mean he could have been finals MVP He's been dealing with injuries. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean he's a Bucks legend. No doubt heat killer Yeah, that guy had the ball. I was always terrified. I Make her I I know a Bucks legend though. I mean no doubt Sydney Moncrieff. No doubt I know a Bucks legend though. I mean no doubt Sydney Moncrieff. No doubt I don't know when Stu gots is ever gonna get tired of just the lazy Danny makes 16 million Well, he does I mean he plays basketball for a living sign me up. I'll play for the Wizards The answer is never he's never gonna get tired of that note. It's hard to hit

It's his pay the teachers, pay the whales, pay the schools. Pay the wizards. Yeah, it's his. They're getting paid. Stu Gantz has this lazy, lazy reflex of you know how I connect to the audience, I'm just gonna say somebody make a lot of money then.

You want me to feel bad for a guy who was in Boston, played with the same players that Derek White is playing with, played with the same players that Drew Holliday, he couldn't get it done, and now he's in Washington. But you know what? 16.6 million dollars. I don't actually want you to feel bad for him. I just want to laugh at the idea that you think grit is valuable. I just want to laugh at the idea of Marcus Smart is the reason people win,

and last trade piece, get Marcus Smart at the deadline. You'll change your future because because he'll play defense. He'll take a couple of charges. We'll gift him a Defensive Player of the Year award, because we love grit so much. You think those Bulls teams win six championships without Horace Grant and Dennis Rodman? Yes, anybody.

So do I. Yes, anybody next to Pippen and Jordan would have become Horace Grant and Dennis Rodman. They literally won different three-peats, either without Horace Grant or Dennis Rodman. Way to go, StuGuts. I'm going to answer my own question. I blew up right in your face.

Every single person who was the third player on those teams would have become those guys. Do you think they win without John Paxson or BJ Armstrong? Yes. The Marcus Smart arc is really crazy though, because he was so beloved in Boston, right? He makes two first team all defensive teams. Then he signs a four year, $77 million extension in, I think it was August of 2021. He goes on to win defensive player of the year

the following year for the 2021-22 season. The contract extension kicks in. He plays a year for Boston, then gets traded for Chris Stapp's Porzingis. Boston goes on to win a championship without him and then he gets shipped from Memphis to Washington now. I mean, that is heartbreaking. Marcus Smart. Excellent work, Chris Cody. That's why you're always the voice and glue that you are. The Mark is smart of our proceeding. Top 35. Not make it 16.6 million, though.

So I just want everyone to see what Stugatz was arguing there when, hey, Dan, if I give you two of the top 50 basketball players of all time, will the third also be good? Yeah. The Bulls are the example for you, Dan. Yes. They did it with two separate teams, like interchangeable pieces.

It was Purdue, then it was Wenington, it was Paxson, then it was BJ Armstrong. No, no, no. Please. What I was trying to tell you. Please, wait, Jeremy, please, please give me the centers of all of those teams. Just a parade. Caught right. Caught right. A river centers of all of those teams. Just a parade.

Caught right. A river, a river of stiffs. Just a river of balsa wood. I mean, Luke, are you kidding me? With the center. Bison Daley was a revelation. No, Bison Daley made them 72 and 10. I know, he was a great revelation.

An athlete. No, no, when they got rid of Luke Longley and Bill Wennington And no, wait a minute who who was the big? Corey Blunt was like a stretch for yeah Yeah, in that he was stretchy. Yeah, they didn't have stretch for his back then. He wasn't good. Who was the giant? It wasn't Purdue. There was another giant white guy. There was another one. Wennington, Purdue. Longley. Was it Wennington? Did Wennington win a championship?

The guy with the goatee in the middle of his neck? They all did. Wennington won a championship. Yes, yes. I don't want any smoke with a dude that has a goatee, like a 90s goatee that goes down to his Adam's apple, like that dude will kill you. And probably win the Great American Race on Sunday.

Tony, do me a favor, okay, because when he says Bison Dele was a revelation. What a player. What was his real name? Brian Williams. Brian Williams. No longer with us. No, that is a tragic story, killed I believe allegedly by his brother.

You have to look at how overwhelming that team became when they got Bison Dele. Because I'm pretty sure that's the 72 and 10 team and I couldn't believe how unstoppable Bison Dele was because he played with Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen where I'm watching and I'm like, I knew that was a good player, but now there is nothing that can stop that human being because I don't understand the intricacies of

basketball enough to understand just how much pressure Pippen and Jordan are putting on an offense so that everything is just put back dunks. Oh I know this guy yeah I saw a documentary on his life and tragic passing. TNT did like a whole bunch of... It's a short documentary and and yes and the mystery about how it is he was lost at sea for a while and then they find out he wasn't lost at sea that there was an accident with his brother that may or may not have been an accident. Bison Dele was added for the final nine games of the regular season of the 1996-97 season. In the playoffs, he had five double digit scoring games,

one double double. And they were also pretty good before he got there. You know, 97 Bulls. We left out Robert Parrish. We left out Scott Williams and Robert Parrish, that's right, the chief. It's just a parade of balsa wood, like a river of balsa, seven foot balsa wood.

So many knee braces. He won so many undeserving basketball player rings. Look, this is what I'm telling you. Those 72 and 10 bulls would have won the championship with that fat guy at your Y, at center. What a special era in backup big men. They did. It's just like Chris Dudley

putting his chin into your chest. Just seven footers that you could have put a concrete slab in the paint. All the liability from the line. But they could all hit a baseline, Jay. All of them. A little free elbow jumper. That was lonely special! It took them six seconds to get rid of the ball.

Long really. But they had all six seconds, because as they're shooting the ball, Pippen and Jordan are still double teamed. Chris Dudley's chest hair. Please put Chris Dudley on the screen right now. Please find Chris Dudley so that I can show the audience exactly what it is that, again, this was Stugats's chief point. Do I think that anybody would have been Horace grant next to Pippen and Jordan?

They had 15 of them I do think anybody would have been those people and it is a direct answer to your question There he is there he is There he is, there he is, dominating the NBA from the center position. You know what all those guys were? Six fouls. Let's get Bill Wennington's neckbeard up there too while we're at it. I mean Dudley went to Yale. He didn't get dunked on by a shack and then he threw the basketball at him.

Oh that's good video. Oh wait a minute guys, please get that video. Oh, wait a minute, guys. That's great. Please get that video. Thank you, Roy. You're welcome. Chris Dudley's signature play in his NBA career. This is, now keep in mind, Chris Dudley had a career, a career that paid him.

I'm going to guess Chris Dudley made millions of dollars for just being six fouled. But please get me the video of Shaq dunking on Chris Dudley and purposely trying to hit Chris Dudley in the neck with his nut. And Dudley all just backed away, backed away, backed away, got stuck in Shaq's ass crack and then from- You can dodge a wrench, you can dodge them all. Asking Dudley.

And then raged Chris Dudley. Was this the same game that Chris Childs fought Cobian? Remember that fight? No, that couldn't have been in the same game they only played each other look at Karemba said one of those filthy goatees is that not the dunk that is Shaq statue the one on Chris Dudley's neck is is Shaq's play that again please so that I can see from the beginning all of the nasty here on Chris Dudley's just being backed up because you can't do anything because it's too strong and he's in good Defensive position and then here you go. Here's some of this and then I'm pretty

Okay, I am gonna spend the last four minutes of what we're doing here analyzing this video with you guys It's great thirty two and a.5 million career earnings for Dudley. Please go back again to the beginning of this because, and I want you to freeze it for me, okay? In honor of telestrated, uh, Hubie Brown, uh, now retiring. Uh, I want you to- Frosting. Freeze it. Not, not stop. Okay. Roll it. Hold it right there. Uh. Just stay for a second. The part that I want you guys to enjoy is

as Shaq ends up on the rim and his legs are coming very close to being on Chris Dudley's shoulders, I want, and please don't move it again, or I'm going to have to fight someone in the video room. You just did again? You're going to have to to fight someone in the video room you just did again yeah you're gonna have to go fight somebody in the video right don't move it I want all of us to enjoy together the last little pelvic thrust of Shaquille O'Neal that makes Chris Dudley fly into the stands because of the

sensuality around Shaq's nether region. Just the hip thrust of a little extra. I'm gonna knock you out of bounds with my penis. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Chris Childs Farco be the following trip. You're right, yes. To LA. Yeah. Oh, I see. So this is back to back years.

Always eventful when the Knicks came to LA. Now I've done something unfair to Chris Dudley because it's not actually his penis Shaq just pushes it if you see an elbow His hammers on Dudley with his right arm almost as if you know what I'm gonna I'm gonna carry Shaq Lift check up there is certainly dick to chest there's definite hot Yeah, but the elbow got him but the visual for all time of I knocked you into the stands with my penis. Look at like Chris Dudley like wraps his arms around. He gives Shaq a little house your uncle. No, there wasn't a house your uncle. There was not a house your uncle. There is absolutely a house your uncle. No, let's see it again. There's not a house your uncle here anywhere to be found.

That's not true. What you guys are saying is false. Can you believe that this used to be the highest definition available to us to watch things? I never remembered the picture being that bad. I was just on a square TV. I'm like, this slaps. This is great. This is it.

Look at these graphics. It's what I would say on my N64. Wow. Nothing could get better than this. Watch Dudley's right arm. I'm telling you, There's a little something. I see. A little hup.

I agree. Oh yeah, yeah. A little hello. There was not a how's your uncle there. Well wait, look. Number one blocks his shot. Stop, freeze it. Where's that right hand?

Where's the right hand right now? Hey, how is your uncle? So you guys are claiming that Shaq pushed Dudley because there was a how's your uncle. I imagine in this video, Shaq went, woo. All right, and now if we continue rolling this, and forgive me to the audio. You're so fine, thank you.

It's the exact sound you make. Forgive, what's the sound? What's the sound you make? Woo woo! What's the sound? Was that a Bill's Berry Dole boy? No, was that happening to Chris Berman the whole time? What, still gots, Yeah. How's your uncle?

That's the sound you make? Yes. When someone, yes, shakes your uncle's hand, yes. You know what I'm saying. I don't think you know what the uncle is. I do. A rapist. Whoa.

That's how that was. The thing that I want to accentuate from the video for the audio audience is, after everything we've described, the amount of time it takes Chris Dudley and his athleticism to get up and off the floor, make it so that he's throwing a basketball at a Shaquille O'Neal who is at half court

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