The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 2: Panther for Life or Whatever

Episode Date: July 10, 2025

The greatest rivalry in golf — Steph Curry against Mardy Fish in Tahoe — is back, Chris Cote relates to an NBA rookie more than he ever has, Mike Ryan admits that Brad Marchand is a Panther legend, and American tennis is better than ever, despite Greg Cote saying America is bad at tennis a few days ago. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Instacart, groceries that over-deliver. This is the Dan LeBattor Show with the StuGuts Podcast. Do I have anyone in our group tonight who is going to make appointment television out of Bronnie and Cooper Flag making a summer league appearance against each other? Am I intriguing any of you? It seems I'm getting some faces that have, they're sort of like Andrew Hawkins at the line of scrimmage running a route that is shoulders and hands moving,

but I can't tell. You guys aren't really in on this. You're sort of trying, you're sniffing something and it looks like you're smelling something bad. I'm trying to scan what other sporting options there are at that time and it's it's kind of slim so I might throw that up on a second or third screen while I go on with my life with the main but yeah, the club World

Cup is down to the final. You don't have nighttime soccer games going on right now. Wimbledon happens during the day. I could throw that in there Marty Fish against Steph Curry. Oh Tahoe baby. It is the greatest rivalry in golf which is weird to say but you have to keep in mind the last time we were unified as a country outside of what's going on with Epstein right now was when Steph Curry and Team USA put us on their back and we got one brief moment of what it's like to be a Golden State Warrior fan and it was pretty awesome and we wrapped ourselves in the flag USA all the way.

But because Steph Curry was a national hero last summer, that took him away from Tahoe. And remember, the year prior, Steph Curry won a very controversial American Century Championship, where someone on Marty's backswing, some asshole, who got dragged out of Tahoe and banned for life, fixed it because he, when caught by security said I had a wager on Steph Curry is one of the more corrupt finishes in all Professional sports everybody's talking about it. He shouted in Marty's backswing. I believe on 18th team

Yes, the final tee of the final hole of the whole tournament Bullshit. Yes Huge bullshit Marty Fish ends up losing now credit to Seth He made a big shot, but the opportunity would have never presented itself. We're not for this heckler. So we didn't get the rematch last year. Marty Fish ran through the competition, won his second American Century Championship,

and now Steph Curry is back from international duty, and we get them facing off in Tahoe, but that's not on during nighttime. So I'll be locked in on a third TV, if I can be, to Brawny versus Cooper Flags. Summer league's for other people. Tony has this thing we do with- To list, yeah.

On Mystery Crate, which is that's for other people. That's how I feel about summer league. Like I get it, you guys can be interested in it for other people. So I was watching the California Classic and I saw Kaspers Yakanchonis go one for 15 the last couple games and I was like, summer league, ah. But I was like, summer league.

But I'm intrigued by Cooper Flags. You see I'm very intrigued. So I will be peeking in to see what Cooper Flags, just see what's going on there. Peaking in. I'll have it on the TV and then I'll switch it. My wife's going to be like, why are you watching that? And I'll be like, oh, Cooper Flags.

And she'll be like, I don't care. So it's going to be very regimented. You haven't seen Heat Twitter already cope and start putting up the tiles of Jalen Brunson's summer league debut to kind of pacify themselves as Jakun Cunish goes through his struggles. I got to tell you, I watched a handful of Illinois. Jalen was bad?

Yeah, yeah, he was bad. It makes me feel better. Yeah, no, he's bad. So clearly, we have Jalen Brunson, tall and white. This is great for us. I did watch a handful of Illinois games. And when I did watch a handful of Illinois games and when I did he was impressive but I did not know the stat about how often he would have more turnovers than points. That seems to be bad and that seems

to be like don't get you in the league you're not gonna get playing time your rookie season if you can't keep giving up pick sixes. That's for sure but you can see some glimpses of in those games in Illinois because he hasn't proved it in the summer league But you see some glimpses of some really good play as a point guard which he desperately need. You watched a handful of Illinois games, huh? I mean a point guard supposed to keep the ball though. Yeah You're not supposed to give it to the other team. You're supposed to give it to your guys.

He's got 12 turnovers. He's 0 for 11 from 3. If you want some more Tony You will get some more Tony, you will get some more Tony at the end of this hour, another Tony tonight. I want you to get over to the Freedom Tower here, Tony. They're reopening it here next door. My father, that's how he got into this country, by going to the Freedom Tower. I want you to do a report here during Tony tonight of some of the things that you find all over Miami What is this week's this week's nomination from you? What are you going to check out? I think I'm checking out ball and chain on kai ocho. You think you are very exciting ball and chained on kai ocho, which

It's an I think is not a ringing endorsement for the situation, but Dan. I've been all over the city I mean obviously the Commissioner Joe Carollo tried to famously shut it down with a bunch of Cuban state militia tactics look at the smile that brings to Roy's face in God we trust. Is that God that's been protecting me? That is Joe Carolla who tried to shut down ball and chain within a series of a series of tactics that were not in any way legal. Mike Ryan mentioned Jeffrey Epstein. I know that I've been saying for a while here that American institutions are failing and the public's trust in American institutions are failing. But I legitimately can't remember off the top of my head.

Now I might be having some prisoner of the moment stuff going on. But off the top of my head, when the Department of Justice says something, I cannot recall a circumstance when so much of America was like, yeah, that's bullshit. That's the official statement, and we're in consensus on we don't believe that the Department of Justice is credible here, and it's just sweeping and uniform

where everyone is like, no, we know that two guards don't fall asleep like that that all of that is power protecting power and I just off the top of my head can't remember Americans being that uniform in Distrust of a government institution that you're trusting to protect justice Well, why is Maxwell locked up if there weren't clients? We heard for years that there was a client list. Now, let me be abundantly clear, Democrats failed here too. And there's plenty of Dems that were linked on this

and flight logs. And the difference is the other party very effectively campaigned on, not on our watch, we're gonna expose this deep state corruption. Even though at the top of their ticket you have someone that was named in a lawsuit for sexual assault in 2004, well before he ran for president by the way, which was still deemed as a witch hunt for an underage person. But now we have that person, president, who has installed all these other people, some of them with podcasts, that have

grown into huge personalities because they said, we know this Epstein stuff is out there, and if I'm ever in charge, you will rue the day. Now there's no client list. And you have the president who can't stop talking about an election in 2020 telling us, why do we still talk about Jeffrey Epstein? Even though Jeffrey Epstein in his own words described President Trump as his best friend for nearly 10 years. It stinks to high hell, and it's one of the weird unifying points that we have in this nation right now.

When you say it stinks to high hell, I think it's high heaven. I'm not sure there is a high hell. You also mentioned earlier, and I don't know the origins of this, but you mentioned a can of worms, and I don't know if worms still come, but you mentioned a can of worms and I don't know if worms still come in cans. Did they come in cans for bait? Is that why there's a can of worms? Because it's it's bait related and do they still come

in cans? I told you, I've told you before that one time and there's some of this in South Florida because we're an outdoor place, but for ESPN, I went one time for a funeral, weirdly, I had to cover a funeral in just nowhere Kentucky because Tim Couch, someone close to Tim Couch had died and I really don't even remember why I was there, but I do remember specifically pulling into a gas station and being surprised by a vending machine for bait.

You didn't even have to go in to get the bait, it was just vending machines for bait. But I can't imagine that there are still cans of worms, because why would worms be in cans? Is it indeed bait related? Yeah, it has to be. And obviously the bait vending machine, down here you got live bait or you got frozen bait,

wouldn't do well in a vending machine, but the worms, you kind of just put them in there. I don't know if they're live worms, I don't know if they're dead, they just put them in there. Well, but they have to, if you're opening a can of dead worms, then you're not opening a can of worms that's dangerous. It has to be a can of worms that is is alive, but I don't know

I'm not this will surprise no one not a fisherman not much of a boater. Yeah Squeamish never hooked a worm on a hook then I have I have it was a long time ago Didn't like doing it not for me all sorts of dead fish parts not for't like doing it, not for me. All sorts of dead fish parts, not for me. Chum in general, not for me. I would say me not having the home field advantage over the animal kingdom in the ocean, not for me. Like all of these things. So it seems like this idiom is quite literal

and it gained traction in the military and where they would open up cans for ready to eat meals and whatnot. And it was just something that would be considered messy. Not any kind of William Shakespeare type origin where this was just something like, hey, you know what would be really messy? Opening up a can of worms.

The worms would go everywhere. So it's not bait related necessarily. And in fact, you wouldn't keep bait or worms alive in a can of worms the worms would go everywhere so it's not bait related necessarily and and in fact you wouldn't keep bait or worms alive in a can so that they would just die from a lack of oxygen so it's just nonsense is all just dirty squishy ugly the opposite of a treasure chest you get worms instead of you know treasure Tony making faces yeah no you you think you get in a treasure chest, all of a sudden you open up it's worms. It's like, what are they doing to it?

But Epstein isn't just a can of worms, Dan. As Jose can take a one set. Maybe he opened up a can of anacondas. How do you put those in there? Is it still popular, the can that you open of the snake that comes flying out? Gets me every time. If it's not popular, it should be.

Going back to Tony tonight's Casa Los Trucos, we had the gentleman there, Manolo, the snake that comes flying out. If it's not popular, it should be. Going back to Tony tonight's Casa Lo Truco, we had the gentleman there, Manolo, I think his name was, I don't remember. Of course, of course. He opened up a can and then bam, a snake came out. Manolo or Armando? Yeah, Armandito.

I hope you get into the history of Ball and Chain. Very proud jazz history, a lot of all time great, Shep Baker played shows over there, really illustrious history there. Beautiful band show in the back too, a lot of all-time greats. Shep Baker played shows over there, really illustrious history there. Beautiful band show in the back too, a lot of Latin flavor there. How many years old do you know exactly Ball and Chain? Because it does have a lot of history.

Guy Ocho obviously has a lot of history. Tony's showing you a lot of history with everything that he does with Tony tonight and gets into some of the strange and unusual and historic places all over South Florida. But I believe Ball and Chain has been around for a ton of time. I don't think, and it was before Cayaocho. Cayaocho, for those of you who do not know, my grandparents lived near Cayaocho and were able to live in this country without speaking English, without ever learning English because they live near Cayaocho. Little Havana.

And it is so Hispanic over there that you can actually get away with not speaking any English. 1935 is when Ball and Chain Saloon opened its doors. How many shows did your dad catch there, Chris? All of them. Hey everybody, it's Mike. Down here in South Florida, as the audience well knows, we've been celebrating a proper championship and we've been

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What is the worst part of the life? Stugats. The worst part of the life of what? This is the Don Lebatar Show with the Stugats. I'm glad that you brought Chris into the proceedings because I've been negligent since the draft that not making reference to the fact that Chris Cody, in a way that surprised me a little bit, found himself with a connection point to a seven foot one Chinese basketball player

named Yong Hansen who was drafted, I believe, by Portland in the middle of the first round. And what was your connection point with Yong Hansen, Chris? I just heard him ask the question about just what are you into? What are your hobbies? And I was just like, I am him. He is me.

Let's play it. What are some of your interests and what do you think you'd be doing if you weren't playing basketball? Sometimes I sleep. All time sleep. And I like play PS5 and I like eat. Sleep, PS5, eat.

I mean... Kawhi Leonard type laugh too. There was some good laughter in there. That him struggling through a second language made me think of something that Chris Cody said the other day because we were we were wondering why it is that in hockey you get your core stay together more often whether it's Dallas or the Panthers with a bunch of guys who end up taking discounts because they really enjoy each other's company and they do seem to love each other their

families seem to love each other and we were talking about why it is in basketball for example over the last 15 years that the Super Teams haven't been able to stay together or the Friends haven't been able to stay together and a theory I had I didn't have a good answer for Chris when he was asking why is it in hockey that you might have that be more likely than in basketball? Basketball obviously has plenty of foreigners as well, but one theory that I left with without answering you when you said it is, in the case of, for example, Sergei Bobrovsky, I don't know if South Florida has ever had a superstar that we know less than Bobrovsky.

And I wonder how much of these foreigners, how many of these foreigners that aren't as Americanized as Anta Tecumpo or Joel Embiid or even Jokic, how many connection points they have in their second language wandering around a place like South Florida that isn't to their teammates who are also often foreigners. I know in the case of the Panthers that they have some Americans but I didn't have a good theory for what it is that you were saying to me and so the best I could come

up with is like how many people in our audience right now feel like they have any knowledge, Roy included, about Bobrowski. Every time I've seen him interviewed there's very little there and it's not because I actually think he's uninteresting, I think it's because he's having a struggle of trying to get through a second language to give people information the same way that young Hanson was having trouble giving people the information struggling through an interview. Well I actually think that Sergei Bobrowski is kind of a deep and introspective

especially when he talks about his faith but as far as talking about hockey is concerned you know it's the usual cliches you know once stop one shot at a time type of thing. I feel like his interviews lack introspection not because he's not introspective but because he's doing the best he can in a different language and I just do wonder in hockey when you're talking about hockey, okay, you are talking about a lot of players more so than I would say basketball by a good good distance that haven't quite been as Americanized as others making their way through interviews and whatnot. This happens to Don Cich. Don Cich I think our audience would be like, yeah, I know his game, but I don't know that person. I don't feel like I can listen to an interview with that person and gather something

that resembles insight. And it's at least in part because in your second language, it's really hard to do that. Goalies are also weird. And like Roy said, he's super religious. So we don't really get to know him the way that we've gotten to know the other players. We've gotten to know the other players through their success and celebrations where they've shown us their personalities. The team's going to 11. We've been to 11 for the last two title celebrations. He's not going to go to 11.

It's not with his religion, Bob. So that's not really something that he does. And he's not going to let loose at the championship celebration. So on top of having a different language, being Russian in particular, as you've seen with a lot of the Russian personalities, a little bit dicey right now, all of them have kind of agreed

we're gonna keep a low profile because we don't wanna be asked about what's going on in the world, the fact that he's religious. There's a lot of things going on with Bob, and also he's just a different cat. You mentioned that we get to know them through the parties and the celebrations. Did you guys have any thoughts on Sam Bennett's wedding introduction?

Can we get that? Thank you. That was very quick. You guys found that. Here is Sam Bennett coming in. This is... Walking out at his wedding entrance to the goal song that the Panthers play when they score goals. Now I get why he stayed with us because he probably had that planned and his wife's like, we're not changing it.

It's set and that's just something we can't change at this point. Also, I heard that he doesn't like meeting new people. So he's like, I'm gonna stay. How much of a pay cut? I don't like to meet new people. You should know though, our show is responsible for one of the more memorable Sergei Bobrovsky interviews. Roy really cracked them open. Alright, we have Sergei Bobrovsky here. He's been in many All-Star games and right now you are in the All-Star Skills competition tomorrow. You're in the one-on-one competition and you probably don't know what's gonna happen.

So are you just gonna go ahead and have fun? What are you gonna do? Yeah, to be honest, I don't know what happens in the next hour or so. Like an egg. That guitar riff that came back from Canada with Roy and was the star of that particular piece is something that brings us vastly more joy than Mike's satanic music in the morning. That guitar riff is something around here for some reason creates more happiness than I think anything in the history of metal art media Roy you have said that Bobrovsky is introspective. You do understand that we have precious little evidence of that in interviews

Yeah, I tried in training camp. I tried at the end of the season and he did give a good answer about that I'll try to find that in a couple minutes. minutes, but yeah, he is deep and introspective. If I can have a one-on-one talking about his faith, then that would be awesome. I asked him, like, because it was after last championship, this was preseason before this last season, they had just won. I'm like, how do you keep the team hungry? And like, I did this like just a ridiculous question of like, what's the way to keep a team hungry? What are we putting, what are we eating? And he just was like, we're going

to try hard to see. Like he like just ignored my question and was just like, I'm not answering that ridiculous thing you just said. I'm just going to give you a cliche. I will say among the things that is hardest in a second language, I know this because Spanish is my second language is to be funny in that second language. And sarcasm will be lost in that second language, and tone confidence will be lost in that second language. But the guitar riff is something that can support you and make you feel stronger when an interview

is not exactly blossoming. you feel stronger when an interview is not exactly blossoming? It made the whole trip worth it over there. Yeah, goalies are weird, man. Goalies are weird. You'll agree with me though that in the history of South Florida we have not had a superstar less known than this one. I'd agree with that. In terms of like upper tier, so, so helpful for a championship is probably to his own personal detriment because Sam Bennett did deserve the con Smythe, but Brad Marshawn finished second and this is not, I retired that bit and Brad's a Panther for life or whatever. Uh,

but Bob should have been more seriously considered as the con Smythe. He had, he was great throughout the playoffs. should have been more seriously considered as the Con Smythe. He was great throughout the playoffs. Those were his best moments in a Panther uniform and typically when a goalie plays that well they get more credit for it when it comes to postseason hardware. I have to stop Mike Ryan when he leans in for months, as heavily as he did on Brad Marshand and then just announces, yeah, Panther for life or whatever.

Yeah. Like just running right, that is running away, Panther for life or whatever seems. Remember forever as a panther. Tyre kill running away from you. Well, it seems like he's putting his sword down at the feet of Brad Marshon very quietly and then scampering away like Chris Cody

from a fireworks fuse that's been lit. Yes, I know our show is known for hammering bits into the ground, but I have decided someone else can have this one. Biz, it's all yours. I'm not gonna do this for five more years. He beat me into a bloody pulp. He's a panther for life.

Someone else can have it and you're welcome by the way because it very clearly worked. You're welcome is the route you're taking. Yeah I feel like I motivated him to be moved to the third line that jump-started his entire career. I wanted to circle back on a point I made earlier this week not particularly well and I remembered it and I don't think that I put quite the detailed picturesque on it that it required so that it would sink in in the LeBron James conversation that we were having about how much power he's going to make

sure to have at the end of his career. The reason I remember Michael Jordan's exit in Washington when he was an employee is I believe in his last season with the Wizards Michael Jordan was something like ten games under 500 or something like that and that entire season he toured the nation as a traveling rock star act making the Washington Wizards more relevant than they have been at any time in my lifetime. It was a monster, monster economy around the Washington Wizards. And then a bad owner ran Michael Jordan out at the end

in a way that reminds me that I saw Michael Jordan with the equivalent of boxes after an exit interview walking through a parking lot as an employee to his car with no real power after having made the Washington Wizards the kind of money that LeBron James will make with any team that he goes to. I think it was Bobby Marks who said on ESPN that he doesn't think that there's a trade market for LeBron, that there wouldn't be someone who would give up assets for quote a year or two of LeBron. And I'm like, you're out of your mind

if you believe that somebody doesn't want just the economy of LeBron James will fill my home seats. I'm sure Detroit would love the opportunity, but he has no trade clause. But you're just nuts if you think that that doesn't have a trademark even as you understand that it's hard to trade that contract with only one year. He would absolutely have a trademark, but because of the contractual language and because of the people who run his career, what I'm telling you is there will be no circumstance

in which LeBron James has the equivalent of walking to his car with boxes as an employee after an exit interview with a terrible owner in a Poland who still has the power at the end of his career. If you're not taking any inventory of what's happened over the last 15 years this week of LeBron James's move Take inventory of it from there. He will not be just a sneaker salesman and he will not just be an employee he's been planning his ownership path while he plays and

At the end of his career Under whatever the circumstances are because of the economy that he brings wherever it is that he goes LeBron James will not punctuate his career as impotently his playing career as impotently as Michael Jordan did because I was made sad by the injustice in that remember Chris that you were mentioning I think earlier this week somebody was mentioning the idea of Tim Thiebaud imagine the amount of NIL money he would have been worth at Florida

given how much money he made for Florida. That was Michael Jordan with the Wizards who have never mattered and at the end he had no real power. Even though he was a traveling circus that everywhere the Wizards went 10 games under 500. I don't know if you guys have looked it up. 37-45 is what they finished. They also like robbed us of a great All-Star game moment where he had the game winner but then someone else had the nerve to hit another game winner and his face.

That was our moment. God damn it. Did you guys? Who did that? Oh we have big breaking news for America. Amanda Anismova has made it to the Wimbledon final on the ladies side. This is the fourth straight major tournament in which an American has made it to the final just days after Greg Cody said America is bad at tennis. You've been wanting to rip him for that all week. It's an odd time by my dad. Weird timing. This is the best run outside of Serena that the ladies have had.

We have more men in the top 10 that we've had since 2006. Strange timing from one Greg Cody. By the way, Anas Movo, really cool story, took 2023 off. 23 years old, still took 2023 off her mental health break, now just beat Sabalenka, who was on a hell of a tear in getting to championship finals. She has now had the opportunity to play for a Wimbledon championship this coming weekend. You guys have heard me say before and I've talked about it before as someone who now runs a company that young people have a different relationship with work than my

generation. I say this as no indictment it's probably a different relationship with work than my generation. I say this as no indictment. It's probably a healthier relationship with work that they have. And young athletes have a different relationship with work and mental health and balance. And it really does encourage me to see young athletes have a sense of perspective and self-knowledge enough to know lonely sport eats up its young, makes

people crazy, I'm going to go take a mental health break. Hell, just Coco Goff saying after, after winning the US Open that she fell apart at Wimbledon at least in part because she was just overwhelmed in general by what happened to her life from winning that tournament. It is super interesting to watch young people and young athletes specifically have, I'm gonna say the courage to separate their work from their identity in a way that allows them

to take a break so that they can nourish themselves and be healthier about work and competition. I guess in that sport they also had it more right than anybody else where the dialogue, and I know Marty fish has done a Lot of work in this regard Carlos a class has Openly talked about it to the point that we were critical like you're one of the games all-time greats you have potentially you're the most athletic

Dude, maybe ever to play this why don't you have that killer instinct? But in that sport in particular the community around it is a lot more accepting of someone taking a mental health pause. It's a sport that doesn't have teammates. It's a sport that is awfully, awfully lonely. Tony tonight, as I mentioned, is going to be in a second here from Ball and Chain, a historic South Florida landmark entertainment venue. But I ask a question on behalf of all of us

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Estamos aquí en la calle 8 at Ball and Chain in Little Jovena on Calle 8. This is my buddy Luis at Primo Mio Luis. How you doing? The one and only. Ball and Chain is a super cool, authentic Cuban spot that not only tourists go to, there's a flock of tourists all the way out here. And it's raining by the way. That's Miami. Miami, it rains every 20 minutes. In 20 minutes it'll be sunny.

We'll be fine. The tourists are out here. The real Miamians are out here. This is a place that everybody goes to. Why? Because it's authentic. We're inside of a pineapple right now if you can kind of go around here we're in the middle of a pineapple a little spongebob action little spongebob action in the middle of a pineapple and it feels the most like

Cuba that you can be in Miami not only not only because we're in Cayaocho but because we're in a place that if you close your eyes and you hear it and you listen to it and you feel around you it feels like Cuba we're not Florida this is Miami this is Miami. This is Miami. This is the closest that you can be to Cuba than anywhere else. Closer to the keys actually, somehow. Not the point. Not the point. Not the, not geographically. I'm talking about spiritually, dude. I'm talking about in the heart when you're here, right?

It feels like you're in Cuba. Well, I already got offered three cigars and an eight ball coke, so I feel like, okay, kind of Miami. Okay. I like that. I like that. The cool thing is when you look at this place, it makes me feel like when Michael Corleone went to Cuba in Godfather 2 and they're going all around to the different places, it makes me feel like that because I've been back here when there's been a Cuban big band

playing, there's been Afro Cuban musicians that come and you just sit out here. You're having a drink. You're just chilling. And and to me that's what I feel like my ancestors my grandpa both of my grandfathers that came from Cuba that's what they wanted me to experience that we didn't have the option to experience because of you know communism I was wondering why you chose to laugh there because they're just I just use the we have we're not gonna apologize why do we have dancers here I love it it's electric I love it I love all of them are you distracted by them I'm super distracted her hits are definitely not lying at all how many of these have you had really this is six six one six seven I don't know you know will be even better than just having

random people dance behind us very happy by the way to be dancing besides una you know un cua libre un mojito is if we had a tobacco and why not right now we're not dressed appropriately right now you're wearing a black shirt I'm wearing a black shirt I can literally snap my fingers I won't have everything immediately do you want that option yeah I didn't even know that was possible three two one that was nice I don't know if the camera caught that, but that's very hard to do. Well the good news is, I have another friend joining us.

Okay. You thought it was just going to be you. I have more friends than just you. Look at you celebrating with a cigar, a tobacco. I'll tell you what brother, my ancestors didn't swim here for nothing. That's right. I'm going to enjoy a tobacco with your guayabera. Wait, official, ball and chain.

Seven buttons down, papito. All right, Luis, as you thought you were my only friend, we bring in Josephine Phoenix here. Also my friend, local Miami singer, dancer, actress, comedian. She's been making us laugh all day right here. Hello, everybody. I am Josephine Phoenix. I know talent, talent.

Talent, talent. Hello, everybody. How are you? You cannot do that. I cannot do that. No, that's talent. Talent, talent. Hello everybody, how are you? Look at that R-roll, you cannot do that. I cannot do that. No, that's talent of the tongue. Talent, hey, talent. Okay, kind of can do that. Give it to me.

Give me your hand. Oh, how sexy! It's like genetics in the mouth. Do you like coming to Ball and Chain? I do, I come to Ball and Chain when I feel ref-y. Okay. When I feel ref-y, I say, look. Okay, hold on.

We need to explain to people what we're doing. when I feel refi. When I feel refi, I say, look. Okay, hold on. We need to explain to people what that means. What refi means, because us Miamians know what that means. It connects with us because we know people are like that. Or we have a gene inside of us that makes us feel like that once in a while. I think there's a common denominator with a lot of Miamians where if you are Cuban,

but you've never ever been to the island or were born there you still say you're Cuban right? Yes. So when we say Ruffi it's our way of connecting to our parents' land to what they used to listen to, what they drank, what they ate. When we feel Ruffi we kind of want to regress to like you know pre-Crastro Cuba. Yeah yeah okay let's get to the real nitty-gritty questions when I meet the social club or Celia crew There's only one answer I don't live in an oral world bro I live in an aunt world no it's not a cruise and when I miss that there is not just one answer I'm gonna go for the underdog chan chan chan chan

Social let me know if at the freedom tower there's 250,000 people during the funeral let me know if at the Freedom Tower there was 250,000 people during the funeral. Let me know. Alright, alright. There was more people there during Celia Cruz's funeral than there was at the Miami Heat parade. It wasn't their fault. They were living inside of communism in Cuba. It was not their fault that everyone did not know and wasn't in Papao with their talent.

Okay? Celia Cruz was our Princess Diana. I said it. She was our Selena. Who's the most Cuban person in your life? Without a doubt the most Cuban person in my life is my mother Josefina. Que coño te pasa?

My mom is like, for example, my mom is a Miami Heat golden oldie dancer, right? How did she get that gig? I manage them. I manage my parents to do Clinica Monica Leon shows and my dad plays guitar. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Everybody stop.

What you just said was such a Miami thing that flew by people's heads so fast that I have to stop and ask the same thing. Leon Medical Center is a medical center for old people to go, make sure they get checked out, hang out, cause the hangout spot. It's a community place. They take buses, you see Leon Medical Center buses

all over the place, usually stopping at railroads and we run right by them. So your parents do TV see Leon Medical Center buses all over the place, usually stopping at railroads, and we run right by them. So your parents do TV for Leon Medical Center? Music. My mom has done a couple of commercials, but they do music. So my mom was dancing there. I manage them.

They do shows. But then she's also a dancer. She used to date Julio Iglesias. She was friends with Celia Cruz. And then I told her, Miami is having an audition. You should dance. She went. She got chosen.

She's been with him for about five years and now she says every audition I go to I get picked and you still living in my house. The Cuban, the star here is me. I'm over here on your show, everybody trying to get a drink because no one gives me a drink here, right? And she's performing for 20,000 people. You know, that's what happened. But she's very Cuban. Yes.

Well, I have a feeling you're traveling. Come on. But she's very Cuban. Yes. Well, yeah, bofina, your travel, I need a drink. Come on. That was our bad. We're about two minutes away from losing Luis for the night. Ah, I can tell. I can tell. I can tell.

I can tell. Okay, let's get to the more important questions here. In the Cuban culture, there's a lot of ways to say a lot of things. And one of the things that me and my friend group at work, we talk about, are you a culo person or a Nalga person? Because there's a very different connotation for each, but they both mean the same thing, but, ass, whatever.

Do you mean by the way we say it? Is that what you mean? When you have to say culo or Nalga, what do you say? When you say culo, bro. Culo. Who says Nalga? Do you know anyone that says Nalga?

Old people. Old people say Nalga. Out of respect. Culo is a very Nalga? Do you know anyone that says Nalga? Old people. Older people. Out of respect. Culo is a very crude way to say it. And if you have a very respectful grandparent, Fondillo. Yeah, Fondillo. Or if they're little kids, you say Nalguitas. Wow. And those Nalguitas...

Fondillito is another big one. Fondillito for like a little kid. Yeah. Right, like your daughter would be Fondillito. Bueno, Josephine, thank you for hanging out with us. You've been amazing. You've been a breath of fresh air. You're the real Miami. That's why we brought you here. Tell me more. Tell me more. Don't stop. I love it. No, that's it. That from the Ido. Bueno Josephine, thank you for hanging out with us. You've been amazing. You've been a breath of fresh air. You're the real Miami. That's why we brought you here.

Tell me more, tell me more. Don't stop, I love it. No, that's it, that's all I have. Oh man. No, you guys have such a great welcoming energy about you guys. Thank you. You really invite the space for people to be themselves.

Authentic, altruistic, and that's a special energy you guys have, so I really appreciate it. That's the Miami energy though. It is. That's what we try to bring. It's family, it's, you know, good vibes. That's what we are here, man. Yeah, yeah, authenticity at its finest

obviously thank you for watching Tony tonight