The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 2: Podcasting Is The Hardest Job In The World

Episode Date: June 29, 2023

Hour 2 kicks off with David and Jessica bonding over their mutual hatred of The Idol and we get a limited fake The Weeknd. Then, Gregg Berhalter is back as the U.S. Men's Soccer coach and Mike Ryan has some thoughts. Plus, Matty Matheson from The Bear joins us to talk the hit show, his journey to the role, and more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to Giraffe King's Network. This is the Dunlabel Tarshall with the Stugat's Podcast. It is rare that Jessica and I agree on content of TV, radio, podcasting, life, politics, religion, love. We agreed on Mickey Harrison being a selfless lover. We have found a common ground in the most unexpected place as a consumer of shows which I review every day on nothing personal, I was told to watch the idol, not by Jessica, by somebody else, with Lily Rose Depp, who is someone who I remember being born

back in 1999, and it was a thing that I immediately felt sorry for her, and she's now a grown woman in a show with the weekend. And it is the worst show that I've seen. And I was watching, and there are performances that interest me in it, but the weekend is not one of it, one of them. Look at me. Don't you ever f***ing say that again. About the weekend?

Don't you ever f***ing say that again. Say it again, I'll kill you. Or are you imitating the weekend? Ass off from Mike being ass on the weekend. So I'm watching it and I want to tell you how bad this show is. When I'm watching shows, I have a note in my phone called Current Shows. Current Shows remind me of when episodes drop

of the shows that I'm currently watching. And I go through each day of the week and until it goes. The idol is Sundays through July 9th. That is what the idol is going to be. Until, until the finale of the idol has been changed to now the second. They stopped at the show was so bad that they cut the last episode.

They're not even gonna air it. It's such a disaster. That's a network TV move. That almost almost I don't remember ever in the history of HBO them having a show and saying, you know what, never mind. It's the equivalent of looking at the Oakland A season and saying, you know what, just play a hundo. We're good here. Oh, I would love if baseball teams only played a hundo.

Oh, my God. For beat that. But however, David, no, that's the perfect length of a season period. I read, so there is a lot of controversy about this series because originally there was a creator who left the show and then Sam Levinson took over. And after he took over, apparently they went from a six episode series to a five episode series.

So his version of the show, they reshot a bunch of stuff. And that's when they realized there's only five episodes. I don't know if that was because it was so bad and they knew what was going on. He trimmed the fast. I have to be glad. Or, but this is what I read on Yahoo, and I don't know what the truth is,

there's a lot of disagreement about whether it was always supposed to have six or five. I love the idea of us having a certain amount of content. New guy comes and went on, I'm gonna shoot a bunch of other stuff. And then at the end of me having a certain amount of content. New guy comes and went on, I'm gonna shoot a bunch of other stuff. And then at the end of me, he's like, yo, he has to need less. All this extra stuff.

I don't know what I just did here. It was released as July 9th is the finale. Well, there's a whole thing in Rolling Stone. I think in Expose about how awful the conditions were on the set and the woman who had shot it and was in charge of the story. Sam Levinson came in, he was like, I want to make it my thing, the weekend wanted to make it my thing.

And so I think that was all a part of the revamp where they take over and then it becomes a me. Yeah. Aemis C.M.S. was the original creator and she was making the show, the show is about this young pop star who gets sucked into a cult and she was making it from like the pop stars perspective. this young pop star who gets sucked into a cult, and she was making it from the pop star's perspective, and then it supposedly the weekend, and Same Levinson came in and kind of reversed it

and changed the focus of it, and made it more about the weekend. And I'm with you, David. It's rare for me to watch a pilot of a show and just feel nothing. Like usually the first episode is like, you lay out all the exposition on the table, you get people invested into characters, you get them,

maybe like there's not a huge thing that happens, but like you get people to be like, oh okay, like I see what this is, I'll give this a chance. The first episode gave me nothing, didn't make me laugh, didn't make me happy, didn't make me cry, didn't make me interested or amused. But that should be okay with you,

because you made the investment and then stopped. I'm in a way worse position. No, I watched episode two just because you told me it was really bad also, and then it also was called the sex scene in episode two was called the worst sex scene of all time. Oh, I gotta watch this. I'm sorry.

I'll watch episode two, and then I gave up officially. I have to watch this. Is it a bad sex scene because it's a good sex scene? Like what? What does that mean? So this is what British, this is what British GQ wrote, which I thought was very much how I felt about it. I've got a fake weekend in that sex scene,

but I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna debut it here. Oh please do. No, all of those words will get bleeped out. Yeah. It says the idol, no. Pull your butt cheeks apart. No. It says the idol offers Pull your butt cheeks apart It says the idol offers none of that instead making sex a performance and always won by women It gives us no real explanation for why Jocelyn would want to go near Tedros. That's the weekend

Let alone be the personal ragdoll for his horn dog monologues Take male fanatry in a purist form made by men who think they know how to tell complex stories because they can light a nipple Artfully if you want to go full conspiracy theory Here is form made by men who think they know how to tell complex stories because they can light a nipple artfully. If you want to go full conspiracy theory, you could make the argument that the idol is a version therapy by the big anti-sex scene mob because nothing makes us want to perceive even the illusion of sex ever again, less than watching the weekend without even a shred of emotions say. Daddy likes that.

Put it in your buttole. You could say the line now. No. Put your fingers in your bottle. No. That line. Instrich that little bottle. Ah!

Really is. I have to watch this show now. I have to watch this show. His head is in his head. There are certain things that are so bad that they're going to be watched. How invested are you again? How it bested? Here's my problem.

Infer a penny, infer a pound. Right. I'm not stopping. You can't eject. Can't stop, can't stop, won't stop. See, I had the opposite. I read the whole expose and I was like, you know what, I need to do my own research.

I need to find out for myself and I started watching it. I got 30 minutes in and I was so mad at it. I was like, this sucks so much. I hate it. There's no story that I'm interested in. It's just a bunch of like cut together shots with people who are supposed to be funny saying lines about this woman.

She doesn't do anything. Is it supposed to be a comedy? No. Well, the week that said, in regular GQ, that American GQ, that is that like his hair... That's what we call it! Freedom from... Here in America, the WEEK has said like,

oh, his character is supposed to be over the top. It's supposed to be campy and like, you know, this was part of the bit and I was like, I don't know about all the... I believe the WEEK will not get another script sent his way. It's supposed to be camp. I don't think they just earn the White. It's supposed to be camp. I don't think they need to earn the right.

Did he put money in on it? I would assume that this was, the fix was in. He paid the $1. No, I think originally his character was written for someone else. And so they're right. And then somehow he got cast or slash cast himself as a character. See that again. And that was how it happened.

Oh, by the way, the guy he's talking to looks like C.D. McCallum. He does. And that he's also two feet taller than the weekend. When you give up on something after 30 minutes, I take that as an accomplishment. You've only wasted 30 minutes. I'm looking square down five hours.

Yeah. Can you never quit a show once you started? I have. If you're five hours in, that's what he's saying. He's too deep. But like, clearly, he saw episode one and thought, this is bad. And so episode two and told just, this is awful. Why'd you keep watching?

The reason I kept watching is because I enjoyed the common thread with Jessica. Oh, and I thought that we'd be able to continue very nice of you, didn't it? But you're gonna keep watching, right? I can't possibly watch that we'd be able to continue to be. Very nice of you, Dave. You're going to keep watching, right? I can't possibly watch you. She's not in this business. She's barely from.

She's not in this business. She's barely from. You're feeling? You f***ing bill of drag you down, O'Dail. I can't do you bill. Because I'm a curbsome. I mean, Lehman watched the first episode with me and he was so deeply unhappy.

And I can't waste my show capital on a show that I don't even like, because Lehman and I don't, like he's not a humongous TV person, and I am. So I already have to like get him to watch a lot of stuff with me. What's a show that Lehman likes? I'm checking for your ass. The nicks.

I mean, like he literally will watch, he watched sports together all the time. No, no, no, no, first take. But we watched sports together all the time. That's not first take. But we watch sports together all the time. That's not an issue. But like, I'm like, oh, we should really watch jury duty and like, he'll be like, okay, fine. And then I'll like it.

But like, you know, do you negotiate? Not really. He's my boyfriend. So we kind of just have conversations. You don't do it watch separately? No. Do you mean negotiates?

Am I the only one? Do you have a sign of term sheet when you're sitting down on the couch And this may why are you always in president mode? This may be an issue that I have does he have Carté Blanche Do you find your wife? Suspender Carté Blanche people were afraid to correct correct them? That's actually a really good question.

I mean, according to this GQ article, like he, that's supposed to be what his character's all about. The weekend is supposed to be like this cringy, pathetic guy that thinks he's hot shit. But nothing in the show gives me the impression that the writers are trying to make the audience think that. That's not his performance is. It's like when bad teams claim they were tanking.

Like, no, you actually try to be good. And he does give off like Sam Lofty vibes. I'm not getting any of that from the show. They're playing the results right now. Like being bad on purpose is very, very hard. And if you're going to do that, you've really got to stick the landing. You're right. Yeah. Well, I mean Travis Kelsey said a hardest job in the

world. So we have have audio of that. Team. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. So what do you think is more challenging being a podcaster or being a football player? Podcaster. Yeah, thank you. It's the hardest job in the world.

It's the hardest job in the world, dude. Yeah, so you keep coming up with content that people want to hear. Uh huh. Yeah, f***. Thankfully, my brother is a hell of a storyteller. And he just has him banked. I can't remember what the f**k happens until he tells like he tells a story like, damn, that did happen. Like I'm the worst when it comes to this. My brother is really

the one driving it. And he, uh, he tells a story like none other. So I didn't necessarily hit the wall, but, um, I'm sure there was, uh, there was a little bit of, there was a up and down there of just, you know just trying to balance out during the season and trying to find ways to do the podcast. That is courtesy part of my take. So he's two gods basically? Travis Kelsey? Well, he said, first off, he shouldn't say it. There are much tougher jobs. That's not true. Like being an owner of a professional sports franchise. That's right. My grandfather was a steam fitter, and on his deathbed, he told me, I'm so proud of you for podcasting.

It's so much harder than any railroad pipe I ever had to lay. And then he dabbed and he died. I just love the old one out here. He said he had the clip clip and they had the tweet and underneath the replies where people with pictures of coal miners, I'm gonna come over. I mean, I quoted it and all my mentioned,

like two guys started arguing with each other or arguing against me and like, Jack, what is the word, gasping each other up, being like, oh, you should try working a steel mill and then it's like, yeah, but they stood an air conditioning and a cool 67 degrees and I was like this but that's what you want I love a turkey. I love a turkey. Oh my god. My hard-casting is so hard. I'm just like me. I'll pull your butt cheeks apart I'm gonna have night-bearing stuff. Keep going on. You've got this. I want more. What? I want you to do everything is the weekend from now on Just keep talking

Yeah, I want everybody out of this room. This is an HR violation happening right in front of us We don't have HR on the count of three. Everybody out No hay que tenerlo. Y el cústil de la gente. ¡Adiós! ¡Adiós! We've been carrying all the stuff, but the most terrifying is not knowing what to trust. The people who ask you to look at it, I want to continue with life. Birdbox, Barcelona. It's a strange Netflix, July 14th. You dare to know.

Don't leave a thought! Why are you guys blurting out safety names? It's a best game ever. We... A little while ago we were talking about an art Pollard. And now I think we're just playing a game in the studio where we're just naming safeties. Yeah. Kind of like the 90s baseball player game. Like a couple of minutes ago, I just blurted out Brock Marion. Great work. And it made a few people happy. Yep. Still

got Bob Sanders. Yeah, you know, he was early in the list. Classic. Very cathartic. Yeah, Adam Archuleta. Not a good safety. No, but a great name and a name. He had a run name alone. Sounds like he should be better. Adam was a good safety for a few years.

Did someone say Brock Marion? Yeah, that's where this was a gambit. Hey, listen, I'm struggling with memories. I get older. This is the Don Lebertar show with this two gods. Want to talk about this Greg Burrhalter story on on this main show and get management's opinion on it and Dave, you have some valuable experience here. So I'm curious to run this by you. I don't know if you guys were aware, probably two gods wasn't, but after an exhaustive search,

the US has finally hired a men's national team coach. And it's Greg Berhhalter, who was out of contract recently and broiled in controversy and broiled in a bitter family dispute between two of the first families of soccer, the Berhhalters, the burr halters and the rena's. Everyone was wondering why Geo Reina wasn't playing in the World Cup, and then we all find out through various reports and through Greg Burrhalter, not understanding that something was on the record, when it was on the record, and volunteering information,

people dug deeper, and there was a whole black male or a alleged attempted black male, and an investigation was done on a kicking incident in which several years ago Greg Burrhalter allegedly kicked his wife, well not allegedly. 1992. More than several years ago. Yeah, 1992. He did kick his wife, he admitted to such.

And big. His girlfriend at the time. Yeah, they are still together, and they've obviously worked through that. It was an ugly chapter in U.S. soccer and it seemed as though that was it for the Greg Burr-Holter story as men's national team coach. And then it came back. They hired him back. After this exhaustive search, they all decided that the best person for the job was the previous person for the job, even though they were embroiled

in this really ugly, ugly chapter in US soccer history. Now, aside from my own personal beliefs on tactics and roster selection, I think there's several ways that you can go about this just from a merit, a meritocracy standpoint, not a big Greg Burrhalter guy. You had that additional layer of drama, and my main takeaway was did the US soccer federation do this so they wouldn't get sued? Hire him back. Yeah. No. Why did they hire him back? They actually went, they didn't want to get rid of him to begin with. He was out of contract. That is contract that expired. They were just going to renew it. If you go back to during that period,

you'll recall that all this was going on. And the environment around him would not have been very accepting of an immediate renewal. And so what they did was a pretend search knowing that at the end, they'd be back to Greg. Now, it should be noted, this pretend search was done by two different people in charge. I know they hired a firm for this, but they did change some of the power structure around you as soccer while this was happening.

But you're saying, take your time, do a pretend search, really take your time, take enough time to where you can bring the guy that you never wanted to get rid of back. That's the plan. We hired firms. We hired search firms to find a new commissioner in baseball when we knew it was going to be Rob Manford. We had search firms go call resumes to be commissioner.

It was all a show. It's a bigger version of the Rooney rule or the Silig rule. You wait for the moment that you can get through it in the case of the Red Sox. They had a way to full year of the suspension. Alex Korra, he served it. They have an interim come in, the interim does great. They get rid of them and then bring them back.

That's all what's going on. Actually, it's several issues with US soccer and the roles that they had to fill because they also had a replacement, a sporting director and they hired someone from, I believe it was South Hampton and he couldn't ask the most remedial questions about the concaf region and how they would recruit talents. They were eligible to play for different countries. One to me, that's like the main job. Like, don't sign for Mexico. Cap, cap tie yourself to the US. The US has so many, it's a huge melting pot of a country.

And for them to be successful in soccer, they have to have their network go all over the world. Anybody that has any kind of tie to America, recruiting is essential. And especially to Latin America. And when Matt Crocker totally botched that answer and doesn't have any previous experience he could lean on to make you feel better about that.

I thought they botched that. I wasn't comfortable with him. Having a say in this hiring process, and I'm certainly not thrilled that greek burr halter is back i think it just speaks to a general lack of uh... aspiration your ability to think that what management does with hiring in all these different sports

as being wrong is remarkable to me what exactly are you looking for that you believe the people in charge of the search did not understand i wanted with this with this search I wanted the US to understand that they're hosting the next men's World Cup in 2026. Let's go on to time and you think they didn't know that. No they knew that. Okay next. But I'm getting to it. And with that and with this golden generation and all the variables that go along with it this team is aging and should be ascending and crescendoing around that time that this was an opportunity to signal to supporters.

Uh, to anyone who's done that shirt, that they're going to be serious about winning that just getting to the knockout stages is no longer good enough that 2026. It's fair that they've ever been though. If what? Is it not? They're not there best work. I'll cup it a long time. They got the quarter finals in 2002. Well, they beat Mexico and the knockout stages. Yeah, yeah.

And there was a brutal hand. Learn something new over there. I can't Chelsea against it. Bringing it for the segment. I did answer the question though for me. This is what I wanted. I wanted. You do not know what you're saying. All of this of signals business is usual.

And our aspirations are the same. Now, they're not going to say that. But the way that they carry themselves throughout this entire search, the candidates that they landed on, just and the scandal that they were embroiled in, all reaked of small time and Unserious and I say that knowing that

France has had a lot of success On the men's side and they've had scandals that would make this look really silly They've had blackmailing they came in it away from back to back. Yeah, and they've been super successful so the controversy off the field, maybe doesn't have much to do with the on field results. I just felt like everything felt so small and petty and embarrassing. And it was a bad look for everybody involved. And I was so embarrassed by it as an American, as a supporter,

that I just wanted to close the chapter on that and start a new and change our new and change our identity and be more aggressive and make a big, impressive signing for these roles. And we didn't do that. We kept businesses usual thinking that that was the right course. And I didn't think it was the right course. I'm very disappointed by it. That's just my opinion from a merit standpoint, from a tactic standpoint, from an overall

recruitment standpoint, there are plenty of reasons why this wasn't a good decision in my opinion, but to the layman, to the casual, they're pretty confused if they've just been casually observing what's been going around Greg Brewerhalter. Yeah, you're not confused. Why are you?

Because he's a guy with a job. Well, and that's the argument. Look, they won two trophies in the nation's league, which was a brand new created trophy. There's only one nation that's ever won it on the men's side and it's us. And in ConkaCaf Gold Cup, which is, I mean. Everything has to start somewhere.

There's all the inaugural, it's the first. But the interim just like in the year. It sounds like a participation trophy to me. To win the first world series. It was just the first Lombardi trophy. I actually like the year like a participation trophy to me to win to the first world series. It was just the first the first Lombardi trade. I actually like the nation's. They're standing. There've been nothing but good moments for the US and that and the interim coach.

I thought did a great job. You wanted to splash higher. Something that says we're serious about. Yeah. I wanted something to signal a change, a sea change and how we were going to approach the game given that we're giving that we're. And it didn't fall in line. You wanted a big free agent signing, yeah, going into a new ballpark. Yeah. And then you get pissed off when it doesn't work and they get traded away or fired. But at the

heart of it, too, how can you bring Greg Burrhalter back? How, how can you do this? He's got a, Jill Rain has been performing really well. He, he, he got hurt, but he performed really well in that nation'sly final against Canada. It feels like maybe there's some stuff We don't know I feel like I want to know what you know have these people in these families that were so close Yeah, thanks Have they have they repaired their relationship? Like are they I feel like behind these stories is always stuff that Isn't in the immediate reporting about it. So maybe that's like the kind read on it, or maybe he's just going to come back and have

to make peace with like a generational talent and they're going to ruin it. The players for the most part, back Greg Berholtter, in this Geo Reina thing, and they didn't appreciate how they thought Geo Rea handled everything immaturally and the onus was on Raina to really make good with his teammates. Burrhalter did have a lot of support from the players on that roster to which I say and what. Then it just, oh my god, that's pretty important though. They have the backing of your team. This generation of players, and I think that's Gandalf kind of touches on it. I don't think it's a bad thing that they have a hard ass that treats them differently than the way Greg Berholtar did, which is a very coach friendly, a very player friendly style.

I'm not with it, and I think that they could have used a shock to their system. For the players to get their way, seems like we're just kind of coddling them even more. And I don't think the main thing is a main thing to them. But I think that we could have done much more for the men's national team by not allowing Ren at a play. That's been my position from the beginning. What you have to do when you've got parents who do what his parents did, father, mother, however, you want to say it, trying to make sure this was the issue. In case you want to catch up. Well, Rain father, mother, however you want to say it, trying to make sure this was the issue. In case you want to catch up. Well, Raina, just so you know, I know you wouldn't have allowed Raina to play. Raina played in the nation's league final, had

two assists on the two goals. Yeah, great. It was a man of the match. But the overall issue, it appears that players who shouldn't have this kind of power have this power over the team. It was parents. It was his parents who were angry with his and that goes up against your current point right now you wouldn't let rain a play for something that his parents did correct because i need to make a clear to players that they're gonna pay the price for the misbehavior of their parents we have released players whose parents were helicopter parents flat out released them

that our picture you know go look under uh... gabby her nandas gaby her nandas does not have a career because all his father did maybe we drafted badly but his father was insane you're doing this wrong you're doing this wrong you as you're in this wrong to develop them standing behind the cage during his bullpen's

sand this place on the rubber shut up you know what released you should have known that though i mean we drafted the kid not the father but if it was paid for martina as he'd still be a marlin damn straight no we would have traded him for sure would have traded him but all of that said I think that you should not worry the men's national team is going forward in 26 And that will be reflected in the quality of the team and the quality of the players and they want continuity Sometimes continuity matters more than the splash Splash

Let's quicker that time with that I Hear you and also Morocco fired their coach before the World Cup and they made it to a semi-finals. They weren't hosting. They were basically the de facto hosts. Don Lebatard. You know what a razor is, Dan? I do not know.

I don't know what a Motorola razor is. You don't? No. I bet you you had one. I did not have one. Really? Let's walk through your phone history. What kind of phone is it? I've never had a had one. I did not have one. Really? Let's walk through your phone history. What kind of phone is it?

I've never had a motor racer. I did not have a motor racer. What was your first phone? Ooh. Not a motor racer. Telegraph machine. After that. The motor racer, Dan, was the one that was like

really, really thin. That it flipped over, but it was like, as thin as like a razor blade, that's why they called it the razor. What is a telegraph machine? I don't know. They had one in down naabee. Stugats! The Titanic stop has sunk in and stopped.

John take a bath to a stop is missing stop. You think that was my phone? You think that my first phone was the Titanic's emergency signal? This is the Dan Lebatar show with the StuGats. It is almost impossible these days to cut through the clutter of shows, new shows, people don't want to invest their time, their emotions, their space, and every once in a while something happens that you don't expect expect and it makes you feel good while you're feeling bad.

Maddie, Matheson is here from a show that I have devoted so much of my time to. Season one, Maddie, I gave it to you. Prayed for two, it came, watched the entire thing and I have been speaking about it to everyone who will listen to me, both on my show, Nothing Personal, here on the Dan Lebitard show. I can confirm he's about the bear all day. Every day. I want people to understand what it is. And when I saw your name on the list,

I was ready to hear from you at what point in season one during the making of season one, did you say to yourself, you know what, this may be good. Well, I thought we all thought it was good. I think we were all proud of it. We just, I think doing something the first time is scary and going out into the world is pretty scary to be honest. So like we all genuinely thought that we were just going to like make it one and done. See you never, that was cool. And you know, when we thought it was going to be more of like a cult kind

of classic kind of vibe where people were like a couple years down the road would be like, yeah, remember that shirt of the bear? That was kind of tight. So I think it was, you know, when the response came and everyone just started kind of messing with it and loved it. And I don't know, it's a trip, you know, to be honest. It's interesting, Maddie, because you're not a TV person by trade, you are a chef and a restaurant tour. So basically, you working on the show is to add elements of realism

to you know what i can only assume tv writers have no idea what it's like to work in the restaurant to open a restaurant et cetera what were some things that you had to get across to the tv folks no that's not how that happens it happens like this well i think the general, like, you know, I think I think restaurants or small businesses are very difficult. I think there's, there's very low margins, you know, profitability is very, you know, non-existent most of the time. And, you know, the stress restaurants in general,

you're buying something that is getting worse the second you buy it. And then you need to cook it and then to give it to somebody in a perfect timing and make sure that you cook to the best of your ability and make sure that they love it. It's just a stressful thing to begin with, you know? And I think that everything is like it's seconds. Everything is counting. Everything is coming against you. People coming in at to your restaurant at the wrong time. People coming in early. People coming in late.

People think that your soup is not hot enough. Your salad is too cold. I don't know. It is just like kind of a stressful thing where every single person has different palates. Your salt level, every single thing is, you're trying to hit this bullseye on your food and what's best for everybody around you. And, you know, trying to get a team to see your vision, to execute your vision every single day. You know, it is very stressful. Maddie, a shy wilder, longtime listener, first time call, a big fan of the show.

What would you say the stress levels of making a TV show and running a restaurant? How did those compare? I think there's certainly pace. And like, you know, you're working like 12 hour days kind of, which are pretty regular. But the thing about TV, you have a lot of people. There's a lot of people around helping you getting ready, and then we all kind of walk in, and we're like superstars,

and we do our job, you know, as the actors, and all that kind of stuff. And the actors are working very hard in the background at all times, too. But restaurants is like, it's synchro swim. Like I think I think restaurants are very like way more like theater way more like that live play that kind of stress and that kind of like I have to perform. I have no matter what you have to keep going as well. It is a I don't know make a TV. I don't know, make a TV. I don't know, it was really fun for me coming from restaurants. I'll tell you that much. Yeah, and playing of A-list stars in season two,

especially the penultimate episode, the Bizzados. What was it like on set having to work with these A-listers? It was cool. They were so sweet. Everyone came in, acted beautifully. Everyone was like, I don't know. Honestly, I think our set is genuine. Everyone's the homie. Everyone's down. I don't know. We're friends. It really is sweet. And I think when they all came in, we were all nervous because one person came off set the whole thing, you know, and everyone came in and everyone was so respectful and beautiful and prepared and like loved the pace that we did and loved the way that we would rehearse the way that we would go in and we're fast, like it is like really one of those things where it's just like we come in, read the lines a couple of times and we start shooting and we do it, you know, and I think it's like, it's really jamming, it's really fun, it's

like, the pace is strong. And I think, you know, it was crazy. Like I met Jamie, Jamie Lee at the SAG awards and I walked up to her. I called it even like, Christore before. I was like, I'm in the same room as Jamie Lee and there's not really a lot of people in the room. I was like, can I go talk to her? And he was just like, and he was just like, yeah, go say what up. And I was like, when I walked over and I was walking up to her, she's like, I know who the f**k you are.

Did you get her cell phone number? Do you have it now though? Don't give it to me. He's just trying to get her number. I don I'd like to come on Jamie Lee Curtis. I like I don't know I don't know if I ever number. I don't know, you know, we protect Jamie at all costs. There you go I don't boy. So when people walk into the restaurant early or late, does that manifest itself with anything going on with the food that I need to know about? Well, it just activates everything. There's a very quick butterfly effect

of somebody showing up late, showing up, because everything is timed, right? Like you are ready, you're cored out. So if everyone shows up at one time, if 60 people sit down at once, if 13 people sit down at once, if 13 people sit down at once, how can you get 13 dishes out at the same time? How can you do all those things?

So there is like reservation systems in the way that restaurants work. It's like, it's all kind of supposed to be so everyone has a really nice experience from the jump. And so it's just like all of a sudden, you get bottlenecked or you get a couple of people that show up, you get a party of six that shows up, 20 minutes before they do, and then all of a sudden the host host is whoever's at the door, then the servers, then the cooks, then the thing, and all of a sudden they're having a bad

experience because of like, or maybe not, it depends on like how much infrastructure you have in the trust run. The trust run is very different. And I think it's like our job is just to make sure that people have real hospitality, make sure that they feel comfortable. Maybe you can give them a little drink or something to make them feel cool and let them chill out for a couple of minutes.

But honestly, I think people just think, everyone's like, it's not that hard, they're just cooking. I'm like, you make dinner at night every night. You don't even cook at home. You're, you're full. I don't know. So you're saying that you never take it out on the customer? Oh, come on.

I'm just asking because on TV, someone's late to your set. There's consequences to that. You're staying on a production schedule. There's a budget. Yeah, but they're not your clients. Absolutely. Yeah, like that's not working for you.

That's very different. Yeah, that's different. Like I think our teams, like, you know, where I like everyone showing up 15 minutes before shift, dressed, ready, ready to go, you know? And I think that's how I was taught. And I've always kept that mentality that you show up early. And, you know, it's, you show up prepared.

But the customer, that's a completely different story. It's just like, I can't control any of that. That's like, we're powerless over all of that. We're prepared for the best and the worst. I'm just saying that like, it affects everything else. And it can affect your experience. Your experience can be worse or better. Like, who knows?

Some people like feeling that kind of, that extra love that you're gonna get, if you do shop early early or if you do shop late, you get a little share pain trip or you get like something or, or some people are like, come back in 15 minutes, Bucco. I don't know, it all depends. Like, it really, it, it, it, it, it all depends on what you want those people to feel and what those systems are you having placed to make people feel good or just be like we're not ready for you. You come back when we've agreed for you to

show up. We both have mutually agreed that you have a 715 reservation. So come back at 715. We will be ready for you. Maddie, how how much is your character on the bear like you? How much were you able to shape that? I mean, fact is so he's so funny. He's so wacky. Like, how much of you is that and how much are you are you playing that up? I don't know because I don't know how to act. So I just like, I, I, I, I think, um, it's a combination of just my natural nervousness of, of being on set matched with like,

trying to be, I don't know, I'm a, like, fax of really big people, please. You know, like, I'm kind of a punching bag for Richie, but I'm trying to call him out on it. I'm like, I'm trying to like, impress Sydney. I love Carmie with all my heart, it seems. You know, like, I wanna, you know, and I think it is one of those things where

I personally, genuinely, I want everyone to be having a good time. You know, like I come from a family of like huggers and lovers. And I think it's like, you know, we always had like an open door policy with, you know, I got two brothers and a sister and we had lots of friends growing up. And our house was always like a, like a turn style of just like, we always had two or three friends always over, you know? And I think it's just like, I want everyone to be having a good time, good or bad.

And I think it's like, FAC is like same thing. Also, I always think that like, where's FAC coming from? If he's obsessed with the Brasotto family and he loves them so much, is this like, is he coming from somewhere even worse? Or like, you know, like Or I don't even know sometimes.

I think about where he comes from, but I painted a lot of different pictures of where fat comes from. So it all depends. I think it's, I don't know. I definitely didn't think about it too much. I remember on this season, even Evan was like, have you ever thought

about who fat is? I was just like, I'm just trying to remember the words, dog. I'm like, I'm like, before we let you go, is it going to take what kind of budget is it going to take for a season three because I know what it takes out of you to do this what's it going to take well I'll do it I'm doing it for what I'm doing it for I think it's like hey about any of that I think it's just about everyone working together and being stoked and I think it's this, you know, I'm just having to be here

This is like a wild, wild ride right now, and I think it's like a beautiful thing that we get to go make our thing And and people love it and and it's really a trip to be honest like it's To be able to make something and to work hard at something and truly actually be proud of it. And then get that reciprocal is a really powerful, beautiful thing. So it's just like, I don't know. I'm just glad to be here. You struck a nerve. You've struck a nerve and people are definitely rallying behind the bear. Please check it out.

FX the bear is now streaming on Hulu. Two seasons start now. Thank you, Maddie. Thank you so much. Appreciate you. So authoritative. Start now. Start now. Watch it.