The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 2: PTFO + Oddball + The Hockey Show

Episode Date: March 15, 2024

It's a Meadowlark content dump beginning with Pablo Torre Finds Out. Domonique Foxworth joins Pablo to discuss what the line is beyond which we need to say Aaron Rodgers shouldn't be taken seriously. Do you hear that? Sounds like some WORD COUNT with Oddball's Amin Elhassan & Charlotte Wilder! Kobe Bryant's statue has... uh, a few mistakes, the Wizards' owner needs to make amends to fans in the District, and the Orlando Magic signed head coach Jamahl Mosley to a four-year extension, so what tricks does he have up his sleeve? Finally, Roy and David Dwork are here for this week's The Hockey Show. They discuss the Panthers' epic comeback win against the Dallas Stars and how important their depth has become as the injury bug has struck. Former Capitals, Ducks, Wild and Canucks coach, Bruce Boudreau, joins the show to discuss the Panthers' playoff style and other topics around the NHL. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Yeah. I mean, yeah. So I agree, by the way. I agree that that's a reasonable response to this. It's funny how this played out because before all of this stuff happened this week, which by the way, I guess we should say that this happened this week.

In 2013, when CNN's Pamela Brown was covering the Kentucky Derby, she was introduced to Rogers. Hearing that she was a journalist at CNN, Rogers began attacking the news media for quote, covering up important stories. Rogers then brought up the Sandy Hook shooting and said the news media was intentionally ignoring

that the shooting wasn't real, that it was a government inside job. I remind you the shooting of course was very real, very tragic, 20 children and six adults were murdered that day. When Pamela Brown asked Aaron Rodgers for evidence of what he was talking about, Rodgers then began sharing various theories

that have been disproven numerous times by evidence. Rodgers falsely claimed to Pamela Brown that there were men in black in the woods by the school, and he asked if she thought that was odd. Brown says that she found the entire encounter disturbing. And then, like, minutes before we sat down here, Aaron Rodgers tweeted out his first comments after everybody, of course, started talking about this. Because, by the way, I guess I'm backing into a lead here, which is that Aaron Rodgers is one of the two top contenders to be RFK Jr.'s vice president. Sure. He says this, quote, as I am on the record saying in the past, what happened in Sandy Hook

was an absolute tragedy. I am not and have never been of the opinion that the events did not take place. Again, I hope that we learn from this and other tragedies to identify the signs that will allow us to prevent unnecessary loss of life. My thoughts and prayers continue to remain with the families affected along with the entire Sandy Hook community. Heart emoji, hashtag thing. So that happened after I wanted to do a thing about Aaron Rodgers. But your first reaction, I guess, to Aaron Rodgers now saying, clarifying actually, no, no, no, have never believed the thing that now CNN has accused me of saying to other reporters.

I want you to read it again because it sounds like based on what he told Pamela Brown, he says a thing happened. He just thinks the thing was some conspiracy. Oh, you see an immunized legal... This feels, yeah. So this is what he says. It's a good point. Oh, you see an immunized legal... This feels, yeah, for the guy who's... So this is what he says, it's a good point, I am not and have never been of the opinion that the events did not take place.

And then he hopes that we learn from this and other tragedies to prevent unnecessary loss of life, etc, etc. So it's an absolute tragedy. The events did not take place is not a thing he believes. And so look, we're just doing the thing again, Dominique, which I guess is why Dominique was exasperated when he sat down and I was like, I think I have Aaron Rodgers takes.

I don't like talking about any of this stuff. I know we need to. I think the interesting thing for me was when he first, we first found out he was going to potentially be the running mate of RFK is that we all joked about it. Yes, yeah. And it was like, we joked one other time about a candidate and that ain't turned out so great.

And so I guess it just wasn't, and I guess this feels a little bit more far-fetched or whatever, or does it? I don't know. It's just an uncomfortable place to be in and also just generally just kind of embarrassed that he... And this is before we even get to the Sandy Hook stuff. Exactly. It's just like, what are we doing? Yeah, New York Times reports this and it's immediately like, oh, we're doing this now. Right. We're doing the thing where

Aaron Rodgers is in our discourse in a way that dares us to take him seriously. And so the serious part, incidentally, is when people begin to do exactly that and they're like, now officially, you know, reporting stuff, the political presses, in ways that reveal that actually Aaron Rodgers' whole persecution complex with the sports media is actually nothing compared to what would happen actually if he was a real candidate being vetted by all sorts of political campaigns. Right. Yeah.

He's definitely in a world where he's insulated because he has a perceived value. And in a weird way, probably getting injured was the best thing to happen for him because it only gave another year for that value to kind of increase because people are like, yeah, maybe he's going to come back and save the Jets. And it's just for a guy who probably loves attention more than he loves winning championships. He is getting it. And that's what it seems like. It seems like, yeah, this is a guy who constantly wants attention and

there's no, there's no world in which A, if RFK were a candidate that were taken seriously and then RFK were to win There's no way that Aaron Rodgers would be content having to be a politician and having to, and not just having to be a politician, having to be a vice president. Like that's basically... The Nathaniel Hackett of politicians?

I was going to say it's backing up Brett Favre. It's, you know, it's that thing of like, oh yeah, no, this is a person who wants the spotlight at every turn. And for anyone who's in his life when he retires, woof, I hope, you know, get him interested in golf. Rarely, so like I get excited, I think, or when we get an opportunity in sports to take on some real things. And it's happened more and more recently and I kind of feel like, yeah,

this is like, the other stuff is fun, but we actually get an opportunity to talk to people who are outside of our, whatever bubbles we live in, through sports because there are lots of people from all different political spectrums who are willing to listen to me who would not turn on or read the same things that I read.

And I think that's what I was trying to investigate my exasperation because like, oh, I mean, it's not really affecting me. Why does this stress me out so much? And then it hit me that like, I should be excited because this is my opportunity. But I think more than anything, it's just reinforcing that

I don't know how much progress if any has been made. I don't know where we are going. And I also don't know what to do because through all the like, through, I don't know what to do because through all the like, through, I don't know what to do or say, because through COVID and whatever racial reckoning or whatever we called it that year. Yeah, there it is.

Love a reckoning. Oh man, it was one of the happiest stretches of my life. White people was listening. You're getting phone calls. I was getting random phone calls. Apologizing. Like, hey, you know all these races of s**t? My bad, dog.

That's all I wanted. And then, like, through the campaign of Donald Trump and through his presidency, like, we're all finding ways to do whatever part we can. And you like convince yourself that you're actually like taking some risk and making some progress. And then we get out of it and it's like,

hey, you know what, is anything that much better, is anything that much worse? And that's what I think I was confronted with was like, now, how do I handle this in a way? Because I made mistakes through those stretches. I have regrets on things that I said and things that I did. But by and large... You went hard in on Aaron Rodgers as lots of us did.

And then you sort of modulated being like, okay. Yeah, because I mean, I... Like, that don't get you anywhere. And so I think that's what was stressing me out. It's like, how do I handle this? Because it's absurd. And making fun of it is fine, but what do you actually say about it if it's real?

I don't know. But maybe is it, do you think on some level it's the absurdity of it? Because when I think about what you're talking about as having this platform to be able to maybe engage in different conversations with people who are sports fans and getting them to kind of open their mind and be empathetic to a different perspective.

When you say that, I think about people like, you know, when Greg Popovich and Steve Kerr and Doc Rivers were during, you know, 2020, talking about, you know, police violence. I think about when Carl Anthony Towns was talking about how COVID impacted him. And those are real things that feel like pegs that you can talk about where you can say,

okay, to any COVID deniers, here is a basketball player that you potentially root for and he just lost his mother. And that to me feels like it's much easier to peg a story around that than the absurdity that Aaron Rodgers often exists in, whether it is he may be the vice president, the vice presidential candidate for a third party candidate

or his claims on COVID or his Joe Rogan appearances, they're all in the theater of the absurd. Yeah, but I think so around COVID stuff, like the message is simple. Get vaccinated or stay home. The tough thing about this is like, what is the message that celebrities shouldn't be politicians?

Or Aaron Rodgers shouldn't be taken seriously? And I think that's what I was having a hard time with is like, I don't wanna say he shouldn't be taken seriously. And I think that's what I was having a hard time with is like, I don't want to say he shouldn't be taken seriously because we thought that it once upon a time they should be taken seriously. But I also know that if I say, you know what? Don't vote for Aaron Rodgers. Like, that's not the right thing to do either. That's not going to be properly.

Endorsing your endorsement. And Rodgers, we've got to shop that image. Oh, my gosh. You know how to get me to never come on this show again. But can I say that the reason I was interested in Aaron Rodgers and the reason why I was interested in him before even the Sandy Hook stuff, which he says, or is trying to make us think

he does not believe now at least, is because he is kind of like this one man, like Overton window, right? This guy who is a line at which I guess we have to figure out, are we just gonna let this guy just say stuff and not take it seriously, seriously anymore? It's this line where it's like, oh, what is the line beyond which we need to say

with like some amount of seriousness, this is f**ked up and you shouldn't be taken seriously. Well, that's where even with his statement, his statement doesn't actually respond to CNN's claims. His statement doesn't respond to those conversations. He's just saying, I never said that. And it feels like, okay, well then somebody needs to hold his feet to the fire and say,

why would this person say that the interaction they had with you at the Kentucky Derby was different than, like... Like, let's get it. He's actually even not saying I didn't say that. He is saying, as I'm on the record saying in the past, what happened in Sandy Hook was an absolute tragedy. I am not, I've never been of the opinion that the events did not take place.

Yeah. And then he goes on to say that it's tragic. I just had a lot of mid juleps at the Derby and got loose. But I think the question of Aaron Rodgers, it gets to like, do we find him interesting enough to wonder how he got this way? And so what is funny to me about this beyond the fact that RFK Jr. turns out in, I guess, leaking his two top vice presidential candidates are Jesse Ventura and Aaron Rodgers that he's really, really cornering the f***ing, you know, Democrats, former Democrats who believe in

9-11 conspiracy market, right? Beyond that, it's Aaron Rodgers went on this three hour paywall podcast that I had Ryan Cortez listen to. I am sorry, Ryan. Yeah, that's awful. Because I got a text from Subdineable legally, Ryan. We should call a lawyer. Unless you just became red-pilled.

Cortez will eat garbage when it comes to television and love it. And this was like something he actually pushed back on and I made him do it. That is exhibit A. That little clip of audio clip that Cortez. That is exhibit A in your lawsuit. It was three hours long and he sent me a long embittered summary of what he found out. But I want to play one of the clips because it proves that A, this guy Eddie Bravo is a real person.

I thought this might be like a, literally like a satire of like an Aaron Rodgers podcast episode that doesn't exist, but it turns out it exists. And Rodgers said stuff like this. Tartaria is interesting to me because I just don't have a natural skepticism paired with a true curiosity about history. I studied history in college. When I was nine years old, I studied Egypt and that's why I'm so fascinated by Graham

Hancock and Randall Carlson and their theories about Egypt. I love their podcast with Joe and why does that history matter? Because there's been probably thousands and thousands and thousands and tens and hundreds of thousands, maybe years of extremely advanced civilizations. Um, why does that change things? Because everything that they've told us could be a lie.

And so Eddie Bravo is like a QAnon adjacent guy, it seems. The theory they're talking about is the Tartarian empire, which is billed according to Bloomberg as the QAnon of architecture. And it also proceeds if we have that video of Roger saying his origin story about like how he started questioning things. It gets back to RFK Jr. If we have that clip. My thing on politics is I've always thought it's a sham because the majority of them are all juiced in and the rule and it's run by the big banks, the big farmer, the lobbyist, the big everything, right?

That doesn't give a deep down about the American people. All they care about is profits, power and control. Right? So my antidote to that is RFK Jr. Because I think although he has the pedigree of family being in politics, the last real president was the first president I studied, which was JFK. And that's what got me into questioning things because I did a sophomore project on JFK, life and death.

For a guy who doesn't believe in vaccines, it's weird that he would call RFK the antidote. But I play all of this to point out that there are some things where it's like, hey, Aaron Rogers, you're not a problem if what you believe is the pharmaceutical industry is a problem. Cool. I agree. It is. There are many, many issues with big pharma. If your whole take here is that like we should do more psychedelic drugs, also also a board. Cool. Let's talk about that. If he's even like anti mainstream media,

like, okay, I'll hear you out on that. If it's a JFK conspiracy thing, I'm like, not scandalized by this. But the question is, where is the line? And I feel like the line is somewhere around the QAnon of architecture and Sandy Hook's truth-a-rism. And he's clearly on the other side of a line that just feels like we should say, the issue with you as a candidate is that you believe some that's just actually deranged. How the human mind works is still a mystery

to a lot of us in many ways, or to all of us in many ways. Nothing. Except for Wyatt. However, and correct me if I'm wrong, it feels to me like, I'm going to use this sports car analogy, is it feels like Aaron has a sports car, like, in his head, as far as like in his head,

as far as like horsepower is concerned, but he's a drunk driver. It's just like, it just feels like, because in- He should not be trusted to drive us, to drive this country. Oh, just himself, you know? So like, I don't, I'm hesitant to say that he's smart. And smart's such a like loaded word because it like oversimplifies intelligence. Like you're either a smart or you're not.

You can be intelligent in a bunch of different ways. But for the sake of this conversation, it's clear to me that he has some, some like above average level of like brain power. But where he chooses to focus it and what he does with it is the concerning part. The other question that comes up to me is, you talk about the line,

I don't know where the draw of the line is. We all recognize that some Sandy Hook, truth or ism or whatever they're calling that is across the line. But the kindest thing I can say about Aaron Rodgers is like, people like him with that impulse are like necessary The kindest thing I can say about Aaron Rodgers is like, people like him with that impulse are necessary because I know we all understand this. We are being lied to about something.

Sure. And somebody like the journalistic instinct to be skeptical all the time and question everything is something that we need to have in society. Yes, again, like the whole, like we gotta find out stuff. Yes, I embody this. Sure, but I feel like there's a line that needs to be drawn between curiosity

and conspiracy theorists. And to me, what's interesting about seeing Aaron Rogers over the years is that he very much seems like he falls into the camp of conspiracy theorist. And there are a lot, and there is maybe something to unpack about the psychology of conspiracy theorists because whether they're QAnon, whether they're Hoteps, there is this large population that seems to just be growing

of conspiracy theorists. And what is it in that particular makeup of a person that is driving them that way? Are there things that Aaron Rodgers has in common, psychologically speaking, to a lot of these other people, and maybe that's something we should be looking at and focusing on, because the danger is, especially when these people have voices and platforms, they then just popularize not just their way of thinking,

but the anxiety, narcissism, and other things that drive that thinking. You know, I was wondering about, like, how Aaron Rodgers, in his psychology, was going to respond to this. I now am persuaded that he's going to go with the immunized, loophole, careful rhetoric. I think Wyatt's right, now that I keep on looking at this statement about this Andy Hook stuff. But I think when it comes to how he got to be this way psychologically,

you know, I think he's going to describe at some point, he'll do the thing he always does. He'll complain about being canceled, how he has opinions that are too brave and all that stuff. I can see that happening. It might be happening as we speak right now. But the funny thing about his persecution complex is that Aaron Rogers has actually been a fascinating experiment because he used to be beloved.

All the people who are his critics now who tend to be loud about it, he was their guy. He was a friend of Dan Leventhal's show. He was in Mina Kimes' home because he wanted to, which is weird, especially now to think about in retrospect, that he wanted to visit her as she was profiling him at ESPN. He was somebody that I admired because it seemed like his brain power was being used to be interesting and thoughtful while also being

one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time. And the question then for him is, okay, why did he then feel like everybody turned on him? And I think, or why is it the question might be, why does he feel like he lost that audience? And he would say, I think or why is it the question might be why does he feel like he lost that audience and he would say I think because of the woke mind virus because he said some things that cut too close to the truth and these people are sheep and they're not they're not awoken and all that stuff and in reality I think the answer is you started trafficking and that we cannot possibly even begin

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Stugats. Amino Hassan. This is the Don Lebatard Show with the Stugats. All right, Charlotte, pause up. We're gonna play word count. This is the game where we ask each other questions and we have to answer the questions in 10 words or less. And Charlotte, how do we show that there are 10 words or less?

Counting on our fingers, baby. And while playing an imaginary nose trumpet. All right, you know what? I'll lead us off. So Charlotte, team me up. Okay, Amin, your first question. The Magic rewarded Coach Jamal Mosley with a four-year extension

that will take him through the 2027-2028 season. Where do you see Mosley and the Magic in the next four years? Depends on if they can get more offensive talent there. Okay. So right now the Magic, one of the great things that Coach Mosley has done since the day he got there was setting the foundation for a great defense and great competitiveness. So even last year when they weren't playing so great, they were in a lot of those games

and they defend at a high rate this year. They're a top five defense. I believe they were top half of the league last year. Also if you look at what they did last season, they started terribly. But then they were pretty much 500 after January 1, maybe a couple games under 500. So some of this is kind of already foreshadowed what was happening this year.

This year obviously they started hot, they had a soft middle, now they're closing really strong again. But throughout all of this, one thing has remained. This is a team that is in the bottom third in offense, overall, it's in the bottom third in offense overall. It's in the bottom third of half court offense. Really? Yes. And they are the worst three-point shooting team in terms of makes. They're second to last in the league in terms of attempts.

No way. And they're top bottom five in three-point percentage. Which is crazy because they're fifth in the east. Yes. so to be doing that well imagine if they had offense right so so right now what their their offense consider game bank consists of is we're going to defend we're gritty we're tough we're hard nose all that stuff and then if the game's close we're trusting palo bankero and franz wagner to kind of lift us and carry us and there are contributions from other people here and there, but by and large, it is a slog of an offense. So if they can add another transformational

offensive player, either on the wing or as a true center, I think this is a team that can contend, and by contend I mean make it to at least a conference finals Well within the next four years who do you think would be the best addition right now? It's funny. Even though he's not a three-point shooter I thought DeMar DeRozan would be a guy that they go after Yeah, the trade deadline just because he's a vet because I think about this team is it's very young a lot of these guys

Haven't really been around that much other than Joe Ingalls who's 7,000 years old. So you know to have someone who's been there and been on deep playoff runs and been around but still very much an accomplished scorer I thought that could have helped them. Yeah. So I thought DeMar DeRozan but there are other names like that. I'm not married to that one I just I'm just bringing that as an example. You need someone who's creative offensively again either perimeter or true center either or and then Obviously a little bit of rind to them the future is bright. Yeah, there you go. Okay magic from the city of magic to the city of

swamps drain the swamp Washington DC Charlotte with the Virginia arena deal blocked. That would have moved the Wizards out of Washington DC. How should Wizards owner Ted Leonsis make amends to fans in the district? Basically, ladies and gentlemen,

they had a plan to build a new arena across the way in Virginia, out in the suburbs. This arena, the arena that they play in now, they own, it's in the middle of, in the heart of Washington D.C., but for whatever reason, money, they want to move it out. That deal got blocked. And that was with taxpayer money. Yes.

And it was a $2 billion deal, somehow. And now he's got to come back and like, ah, I'm just joking. So Charlotte, how should Ted Leone's this? Make amends. Sell the team? Oh no! What a monumental... Oh! How should Ted Leone's this make amends? Sell the team? Oh no! What a monumental Oh!

Suggestion. Change of capital that would be. No, I don't really know to be honest because this is like, you could say you're staying in DC. That would be a great way to make amends. You could say we're gonna keep. Is that a man's or are you like, ah, my man. If you invest in the stadium, if you update it,

if you, but like it's a pretty tough one to come back from. Cause basically you're saying we're gonna leave this location, which I think is a great location. When I lived in DC, I went to Gainesville all the time. It was easy to get to. It's an amazing location. Chinatown. So many restaurants, so many stuff around. Yeah, exactly, very accessible.

Subways. By public transportation. And track station's not too far either. No, not at all. And they're saying, actually, we're gonna put this in the suburbs. Very much like a suburban experience of like, you can drive here and it'll be like a mall used to be.

And I just think, I mean, how do you come back from saying that you were going to leave the heart of a city and then it didn't work out? Can I ask a question, Charlotte? Because sometimes I feel like I approach things with certain level of sensitivity that may border on overly sensitive. Okay.

But whenever I hear a team that plays location-wise in a great location in an urban center, say we need a new stadium and it needs to be there, out in the suburbs, it screams white flight to me. I was gonna say there is an element of race to this that just, it feels like taking it from the center of a city and putting it in Arlington, Virginia not just like white but like very white. Yes. It seems coded. How else do you take it?

I don't think that's too sensitive. It reminds me of the Atlanta Braves who played at Turner Field from like 96, which was a brand new stadium built for the Olympics. And then a few years ago, so basically about 20 years, maybe less or a little over 20 years, they moved to a new stadium. That new stadium is out in Gwinnett County, which isn't very accessible via public transportation and also is not Atlanta. That's not Atlanta, like Atlanta's Fulton County,

and Atlanta being a very black city, like Washington, D.C., a very black city, to say, hey, we're gonna move the team, and we're gonna put it out where the white folks moved a long time ago, and they left when they, white flight, they fled the city It feels weird It's the opposite of what's happened in detroit where the team was playing out in the suburbs And they came back downtown at joe lewis arena

In downtown detroit. Yeah 100 percent and I think that especially when you're talking about such a rich suburb like like, you know virginia that part of rich suburb like like you know Virginia that part of Alexandria is unbelievably wealthy you're basically saying these are the types of people that we want to come to these games most easily these are the people that we we're gonna take their money and we're gonna pander to them and there's another part of this right the assumption that these money people would never come into DC to come see a game. Like I feel like sometimes they ascribe the lack of business with,

well it's because we're in the middle of the hood or whatever they, which by the way, it's not. It's a really nice neighborhood. When in actuality, the reason why people don't come to games is because you've sucked for a very, very long time. And it's easier to move the team than find out how to develop a system of player development and good draft. Or actually run the team. Well, the team, Candace Buckner of the Washington Post, one of my favorite

writers and people we should have her on. Cause she wrote a great article about stadiums in cities and how there's a lot of people starting to, you know, as, as downtown, especially with the pandemic became less of a thing and, and more difficult in terms of people not going to offices, whatever, all these owners saying like, we want to move. She is a great piece on that. So Candace, shout out. All right. Okay. Last one. Oh, this is a joint one of me. A joint one, a joint chief of staff.

Yeah. That happens later after hours. That's another agriculture weed joke. Here we go. There are multiple errors, Charlotte. While they're on the Kobe's, Bryant's statue revealed outside of crypto.com arena that are to be fixed.

How should they reprimand the people that made the mistakes? Before we do the word count part of this, I just have to say my favorite thing in the world is spelling mistakes in very permanent places. These mistakes are literally written in stone. I think that's one of the funniest things you can do. All right. Okay, so how should they reprimand the people?

Okay. Oh, you want me to go first? You want to alternate words? Oh, then I have to guess what you're doing. Yeah. No, you want me to alternate words? Oh Then I have to guess what you're doing. Yeah. Okay. All right go you start They should Absolutely not Allow them to go no games

I was gonna say, I was gonna say make the other statues. I'm like you are banned from staples. I will never caught crypto.com. I was gonna say you're banned from making these other statues because here's the problem Charlotte right? There's three typos. Two of them were player names. One was Jose Calderon, they wrote Calderson,

and they're going off of the actual box score, as you can see on your screen. Jose Calderson. How do you? It's bad enough that you messed up the name of a player. It's even worse that Jose Calderon played for the Lakers in 2016, all right? The other name was Von Wafer, they wrote Vom with an M.

It's almost like the person was like, Vom, Vom, Vom, Vom. But also like there's some type of stuff, because I'm looking at my computer, Paul. But then the last part, and this one is the, they spelled Decision, Decision, I can't pronounce it, but it's horribly mispelled. And the problem, Charlotte, isn't that both Von Wafer and Jose Calderon are both former Lakers. Shout out to once a Laker, always a Laker, whatever.

Lakers family, Laker Nation, all that crap. But the problem is that when you have an undertaking like this, quite possibly the most important statue they've done because it's the first posthumous one, I believe, of the players. I don't know if Chick Kernel's a lot, Chick Kernel's probably already there, but like this one is like, Kobe's.

Well, it's Kobe. You could argue Kobe is the greatest figure in the history of the franchise. And that's saying a lot given Magic and Shaq and Kareem and all the other, Jerry Wessel, all the other great players. Angela Russell. Yeah, right?

Statue of Fourth Coming. But they call him Dangalow. Because they won't have the apostrophe. It's not just that, right? It's the idea that, okay, I got it, here it is. This is what we're gonna have on the statue. Yeah, looks good to me. There's no way this was cleared by one person.

There had to be multiple, multiple eyes that went across this, and they all kind of just gleaned over it and didn't notice. And even if you don't know the players, like I don't know who this Jose Calderson is, you know how to spell decision, right? Well, also you know how to look it up.

Like the most important thing on anything that you're making permanent is, is it spelled correctly? How do they fix it? I don't think that they should be allowed to just redo it. I think they should live with their mistake. I think they should remember what they've done. So they should make little plaques where it's like, you know, you used to use white out

and you would like white it out. So it's like, it's like bronze white out and then it's spelled correctly. So they like, and put it in with like four little screws over it so that you can see where the spelling mistakes were. That's actually pretty cool. I like that one. I also liked the joke that you made earlier

when we were before the show, which was they should have to chisel in like a red squiggly line under indicating that it is a typo. That was funny. I just knew it. Don Lebatard. Sports. Stugats. Smart sports. This is the Don Lebatard Show with the Stugats. Welcome to the Hockey Show.

My name is Roy Bellamy. David Drunkard and the Hockey News is right there. There he is. We have Bruce Bedro today. We also have Paul Lucas of UniWatch. This is why we are wearing jerseys right now. But before we get to that, we will talk about the Florida Panthers. Quick recap. Now this week, the Panthers had one of

those epic comebacks that reminded you of the season prior, which they won the president's trophy. They won 4-3 after scoring four unanswered goals. Three in the third period against the Dallas Stars, David. That was fun. That was fun. That was definitely a throwback type of win. It's not the way Florida wants to play at all. You don't see them falling behind very often, let alone falling behind by three goals.

But that just goes to show, and it's what Paul Maurice has said kind of over the last couple of months, is they look for ways to play their game and to win games in different ways. And that was a game where it's not ideal, but you're gonna run into situations like that, potentially in the playoffs, and they showed they can go on the road, they can withstand that kind of a storm, come back

and win. The power play was excellent in that game and Sergei Bobrowski kept them in that game. Two of the three goals they gave up was not his fault. But you know, his defense has to do a better job in front of him. I know it was a road trip. I know they're tired. I know they came in injured, but they got to do a better job in front of him. I know it was a road trip, I know the tired, I know they came in injured, but they gotta do a better job there. Yeah, well that's kind of been a big part

of Bob's success this year, why he's having such a strong season is how well they've played in front of him, how they're cleaning up rebounds, second chance and third chance opportunities are getting wiped out of the slot, because that's things that would beat Bob in the past. His rebound control has always been kind of,

you know, not his best element of his game. Yeah, it's been iffy. But the defense in front of him, it just like it was in Columbus, when he was control has always been kind of, you know, not his best element of his game. Yeah, it's been nifty. But the defense in front of him, just like it was in Columbus when he was putting up those great numbers there, he's getting great defense in South Florida now. And as long as that continues, this week it was a little flimsy, but as long as that continues on the whole, Bob and the Panthers will be all right. Aaron Echbled is hurt. He's going to be out two weeks. Evan Rodriguez is day to day. Both of them did not play at Dallas. We saw Jasmin Hurra and we saw

Carl Poso, who we just picked up at the deadline. That's right. Go over the games on Tuesday. Kyle Ocposo plays a very strong, responsible game. Paul Maurice was raving afterwards about how smart he was, how he was

engaging on the bench, how he understood the team didn't have it early on. And he just played a very controlled game and basically gave the Panthers what they needed. And that's really why you bring in a guy like Kyle Lakposso, a veteran, he's been to the playoffs, he knows what Florida's trying to do.

So yeah, it's gonna be a good fit I think with him. And in terms of Josh Mehurra, like this is just a chance for guys to step up the way they did the first 15 games of the year when Eklad and Montor were out. You had Mehurra stepping in, you had back then Uwe Spalinskis played a really good role for the Panthers and Avler Ekman-Larsen, he's back up on the top pairing. And the Panthers, you know, this is why they have the depth they have because for situations

like this, you want to be able to maintain. Last night they played the Carolina Hurricanes, they lost four to nothing. Sam Bennett got hurt, so he didn't play either. They put Jonah Gadjiewicz into the lineup, the beef up, and they did play physically. There were a lot of hits in that game from the Panthers. They had 37 themselves. But I guess that didn't go, that didn't really go too well against the Carolina Hurricanes. Yeah, that's kind of a trademark.

You'll see the team that hits more generally doesn't have the puck as much. So it's something to keep, you know, I don't want to say keep an eye on, but it's it's usually kind of a symptom of what happens. But with the Panthers, this is two straight games now where they've gone to Carolina and they haven't gotten a goal. The first one, Peter Kachetkov, was amazing, that 45 save shutout. Last night the Panthers only had, I think, 20-something shots on goal, one of their lowest outputs of the season.

So you know, Paul Maurice after the game kind of threw it as a one-off, that he's not worried that it's going to continue. But now they go into this game on Saturday against Tampa, and you know Tampa's going to be pissed because Florida put up a nine spot the last time they played against them. All right, now joining us is former NHL coach and current NHL Network analyst Bruce Boudreaux. We just came off of the trade deadline and I just want to know from you, what do you believe is the best move that went down during the trade deadline? Well, I mean, I think there was a few good moves, but I think the one that to me that's

going to prove to be the best is Carolina getting Kuznetsov and Gensel. I think it adds to their second line and gives them a bona fide threat other than Ajo and company. And I think that's what's going to make it difficult for teams like Florida. More difficult. I still think Florida is the best team, but I think that Carolina made significant grounds in catching them when it comes to playoff time.

Yeah, they did kind of prove that last night as Kuznetsov scored in the 4-0 win against the Panthers. What did you think about that game? What was your takeaway from the Hurricanes-Panthers game? Well, the one thing I think that the Panthers are already in playoff mode and then I mean they allowed one goal against the Rangers. I mean they shut out somebody last week with nothing. They you know they win four-0 last night. They're in playoff mode right now. Whether that's too early to get into that mode, I don't know,

because you can only last so long playing that well. But they're going to be, they're going to be, what I saw is like, Florida has been playing very good against everybody. I thought that and even that game last night was not a four-nothing game to me but at the same time I think that they're going to be a significant challenge this year and if they do end up playing the Panthers I mean they're going to readily know that the Panthers beat them four straight last year even though Mr. Bryndamore refuses to admit it. When you talk about playing a playoff style, you alright over there? I'm sorry yeah we've been talking about that aspect for months now how could he how? Why would he say that? Well I don't know mean, I've lost four straight and I wish I could have went back

and told my owners it wasn't really four straight. You got the playoff dates for those extra two games that, oh, you didn't get the money for those two playoff games? Okay. Let me figure that one out. So when talking about the Panthers and playoff hockey, because I know you said it's hard to play that high level of intensity, but that's kind of what Paul Maurice's crew has been doing from day one, really, this season. So from a coaching standpoint, when you look at the Panthers and you approach playing the Panthers, if you're playing them in the first round of the playoffs, how do you...

What's the message to your team? How do you approach a team that just comes at you the way that the Panthers do? Well, I mean, it's a difficult thing. I mean, because the Panthers can dictate how to play. They got one of the better penalty killers, penalty killing teams in the league. I think they're in the top 10. They got one of the best power plays in the league. So I mean, they're going to dictate which, you know, they want a physical game. That's the way they're going to dictate which you know they want a physical game that's the way they're going to play and that's why they went out and got Teres Sanko and they got a little bit more depth and on their team right now and because they knew they by playing that way which is playoff hockey

is that they ran into trouble against Vegas because they didn't have enough manpower left and I think they're going to be able to ramp it up. I think they're just playing the way they're playing right now. They don't have Bennett in the lineup. When he gets there, he's a physical player where he didn't play last night anyway. And so, I mean, they're missing a couple other guys, too. So, I mean, the one thing I'm not worried about is Florida.

I've picked them to come out of the East, and I still think they're the best team to come out to come out of the East no matter who has made any kind of progress in their at the trade deadline. Nice. We mentioned Rod Brandemore obviously and Paul Maurice is currently coaching the Florida Panthers to top spot in the National Hike League right now. What do you see will win the Jack Adams award this year for Coach of the Year?

Oh, it's interesting. I mean, because that award is usually given to a coach that a team isn't expected to be good. Now, the reason I don't think Paul's gonna win it is because everybody expected Florida to be where they are. So they's doing what they're doing. I think myself is like Vancouver wasn't picked to be where they are and Rick Taukett's done a really good job in getting them to where they are right now. So he's going to be the front runner. Edmonton, if they were ever to overtake Vancouver, I think he would

he would win it. I mean that's when I won it in 2007 it was because our team when I took over the team it even didn't coach the whole year there. But I mean, they were in last place and they moved from last to first. So I think that that has a big thing in the in the voters minds like that, is doing things you're not supposed to like, even like if Philadelphia was to make the playoffs, nobody thought they would make it toward. Rella would have a shot. I think Rick bonus in Winnipeg, even though they had a good team, would be sentimental to be a spot in there because he's been coaching for so long and hasn't had an opportunity to coach a team for a full year as good as

Winnipeg is. So those are, I mean, there's a lot of good coaches in the league, a lot of good things done in this league. It's a hard, it's a hard thing to win, but I just think the voters look for that special thing. I mean, last year, um, they gave it to, um, to Boston's coach, uh, because I mean, they had a record breaking year. And uh, uh, so I mean, you couldn't deny that no matter what anybody else did, that was good. You couldn't deny that no matter what anybody else did that was good.

You couldn't deny that what he did. So I mean, he got it. But this year, I think they'll give it to somebody who that team wasn't expected to be that good. And they are that good. And this is how they'll do it. So Bruce, one of the guys you mentioned is Jack Adams candidate was John Tortorella. I wanted to ask you about what happened with Torz last week when he got a little upset

when the Flyers were playing the Lightning, refused to leave the bench. It was kind of hilarious from my perspective, no disrespect. I just wanted to kind of get your take on what happened and what you thought transpired. Well, you know, John's excitable. And I think what he was trying to do was just to get the referee's attention to come on over to him. Yep. And that was the big thing. And so he was saying, I'm not leaving the bench until you come over and talk to me.

And Wes wasn't coming over and talking to him. And so that was the thing he was getting and when referees don't do that I'm telling you as a coach all it does it makes the coach matter because they just want to talk to them and yet they go further away and so then the coach starts having to yell right across the ice to him and then it gets louder and then things get heated and that's why things happen. I want to take you down memory lane right now ten years ago when you were Then it gets louder and then things get heated and that's why things happen. I want to take you down memory, memory lane right now.

Ten years ago when you were coaching the Ducks you were playing the Avalanche and that game got out of control and Patrick Raw, who was the head coach of the Avalanche at that time also got out of control. He went towards you and there was just one divider. There wasn't like a well for like a reporter or a cameraman and it was one divider. And Patrick Waugh shoved the divider towards your direction. What was going through your mind during that altercation? I was going, please hold up. I'm going, please hold up. Please. We, like, I mean, you know, Patrick's a pretty big guy and I knew he was a rough and tumble kind of goalie and that had gotten into scraps before.

But I looked at him and I couldn't see his eyes. They had rolled back in his head. So I knew he was, he had lost it a little bit. And that was his first game, frankly as an NHL coach, too Wow, and and they had won the game the game was over. I mean they'd won six to one and What had happened is I think he wanted to send a message and he put his tough guys out there and they started a little fight and then he came to the bench and he was chirping tripping the players on the ice.

Corey Perry who always gets by the boards that are he had a water bottle and he was squirting Patrick in the face and I think that just wound him up and he came after me because I didn't even know what was going on quite frankly and then my assistant coach said Bruce Patrick is screaming at you and I and then I just automatically just started protecting my players and started screaming back at him but when the glass almost came down I said please stay up glass please stay up finally you said the Panthers are coming out of East who is coming on the West and who will win the Stanley Cup final? Oh I wish I had that that answer I'd be in Vegas right now but I mean I think it could be Vegas and not the way they're playing but if I'm Vegas right now I'm worried more about making the playoffs than I am winning the Stanley Cup at this stage.

But I think good teams and Dallas isn't playing very well either. So I mean, Vancouver has been really steady, even though I think when it comes to the playoff time, there's going to be better teams. I think Edmonton is poised and you've seen them being able to go on long runs and they're playing much better defensively this year. I think they've got a really good chance at winning the West this year. I mean the biggest thing out of the teams in the East and the West is getting out of that first round. There's going to be some upsets I think in getting out of that first round

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