The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 2: Role Models

Episode Date: July 31, 2024

Mike Ryan was watching the Coco Gauff match with his daughter and wasn't ready to explain Coco's reaction. Plus, Tony's Top 5 of the Olympics. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You're listening to Giraffe King's Network. This is the Don Leventor Show with the StuGuts Podcast. One of the stories from the Olympic StuGuts that I have not gotten to is Coco golf flag bearer loses yesterday and has a 10 minute crying meltdown in the middle of the match and afterward complains that this always happens to her at the French Open and in Paris where I thought we'd eliminated sort of because of the technology the ability to complain too much as a tennis player about whether something was in or out and I'm certainly familiar with Jimmy Connors and Kiryos and John

McEnroe and Serena Williams Serena Williams yes Sharapova had a lot of complaining Martina Hingis did a lot of complaining uh... martina hinges did a lot of complaining but ten minutes of actual tears and a meltdown in front of an audience while you're losing uh... will get somebody called the crybaby uh... if you know in this sport and beyond this sport uh... what was the group's take on a flag bearer losing and getting so upset that she spent 10 minutes complaining about it delaying

the action? Well I think Coco's main objection to be clear was that the official called a ball out before she struck it and it's super distracting that way and they don't have the same kind of technology that they do on her tour So yeah, and I was watching her match solo without Goldzone to have someone explain to me What was happening, but the microphones were such that I kind of picked up on what her objections were in it Yeah, it was a legitimate 10-minute gripe that she had with with tears with I gotta tell you, I was watching it with my daughter. I'm gonna sound like such a boomer here. I'm gonna sound so old.

But I do consider Coco a role model for my daughter Juliet because we went to the Miami open. We caught an autographed ball from Coco. Coco, she recognizes Coco. We were watching this match because Coco was on it. And there was a moment in time there where this thing dragged for like six minutes. I'm like, this is not great. How do I explain what's going on there?

She's crying. Thankfully, I navigated the situation where I'm not prepared to explain, have that conversation. We're not there in this live sports viewing experiment. She's four. She's four years old. Because she's four, that's why. Okay. Yeah, maybe if she were like eight or ten, that's an opportunity to explain why Coco

is doing this. But it went on like way too long and to me it was clear because I didn't have commentators telling me exactly what was happening. At a certain point, it ceased being about the actual objection that she took. And it was more about what I felt like, frustration with the match, especially when she started invoking and she didn't just say it after the match,

she said it in that moment, this always happens to me. And she was just, at a certain point, like the gamesmanship of it was, are you trying to freeze out your opponent here? Like what, let's keep this moving. You know that they can't do anything about it. Why are we staying here? This is not only are we losing which is disappointing, but you have other competitions where you can meddle in but we're staying here

In ways that are uncomfortable and it was a bad look all around I know this isn't where you want to go with this But I'm just curious if she if it wasn't if she was trying to freeze out her opponent How mad would you be because that happens in tennis yeah I that I started to turn on it because initially I'm like yeah this is this is BS you shouldn't be doing that and you have your gripe and you cross a threshold of like okay this is uncomfortable this is going a little too long and at a certain point you wonder like okay you're not gonna change things what are you trying to do here and I'm like are you trying to freeze your

opponent out right now is that is that how you think you can go about winning the match like it lasted for so long that you're starting to wonder someone's motives she says it happens to her all the time it just happened when she faced Emma Navarro at the French Open it basically happened the entire match she was having meltdowns the entire yeah Coco is not special in that she is wronged by an official. That happens all the time and what separates people from knowing about it is generally how outsized their reaction is. Serena did this occasionally. One time Serena had a very famous one and it became the national discourse around her because I understand when you talk about a famous black athlete, the conversations around things

are gonna be a little different. And I'm not crazy about how I come off as literally a father trying to wonder, is this the right role model in this moment for my daughter? It was beyond that, I think you can say, in a vacuum? Bad luck, we shouldn't be doing that for 10 minutes. I don't think it's really, like the role model conversation to me is,

that's a tough thing for me to get on board with. Like she's 20 years old, she's competing at the Olympics. She has worked very hard to get there. She's the youngest flag bearer in history. So obviously she's feeling a lot of pressure to compete. And this call was something that looked very unfair. The one ref called it out and the other one said it was in after she was already in her swinging motion. And so the opponent got the point and she was justifiably very, very angry about it. And so, A, this is part of tennis, is like appealing to the

umpire or the ref and saying like you're wrong. There isn't technology at this event that can overrule it that she can challenge. And so I think this is just a lesson for anyone watching it in like how badly these athletes want to win and how intense they are about competing. And I did did her opponent say that she felt like she was being frozen out after the match? Cause if that's the case, I didn't see that. And I think that's a separate conversation too. No, I'm speaking like,

just as someone that's watching tennis, I'm like, is that what you're going for here? Because it's going on for so long. Like I agreed with Coco's initial gripe, but it's like any argument with an outsized reaction. I've been right in arguments that I've had, especially when I was younger. I ceased being right when my emotion got the best of me.

And that's all that people remember from it. I think where I'm like losing you is that like, I don't think that I can say whether or not this was an outsized reaction. This feels like a very appropriate reaction given how intense the moment was. And so I genuinely like feel like bad like I feel empathy for her that this really like screwed up

her match so much because it was unfair. Yeah I guess I'm sorry but there are just different thresholds for this. I was with Jess for a good three minutes there on Coco's side. But the last seven minutes. And then and then at a certain point we're we're in redundancy town and I think, I believe, it comes off to me like this is not really about that one moment. It's about everything that surrounds it, which is you give a wider berth there, but this was so prolonged and it was such a bad look. And at a certain point you're telling Coco like as a fan of Coco, hey, lock it in. This is not your only opportunity for a medal here.

You got mixed doubles later on. Like this could really undo everything. And watching that mixed doubles match that she had with Fritz, I kind of felt like she was still trying to deal with that because her emotion was getting the better of her there and you can't separate the two things. I think we can say fairly that Coco had a bad day, right?

She probably down the road will regret the way she handled that the same way and not that that's the same extent But the same way Serena, I'm sure regrets, you know some of her exchanges, especially at that US Open But he had to apologize to the winner. She did Yes the thing Mike that that you lost me there was just when you trying to sort of keep it from your daughter or like She's a role model and I think there's a couple things that Jess said that stood out to me is one, she's 20. She is 20 years old.

And if you are going to, if your daughter is going to choose, are you going to allow this 20 year old to be your daughter's role model, it has to come with the idea that she's not fully formed. She's not perfect. And I know you can't have these conversations with a four year old, but did your four year old watch Inside Out or Inside Out 2 where you can't just focus on the good emotions? Yeah, but Izzy, I'm far more comfortable walking through the emotions of a child through the prism of Pixar than I am through Cocoa Golf.

And while you are making... But she's human. It's more realistic. Like we're adults. And this is sports. This is a live sporting event. Like you can't control what your daughter's going to see. I appreciate you guys explaining sports to me. Allow me to explain what a father feels

when experiencing something with his four-year-old daughter. Because I feel like I have a little bit more experience here in this specific department. And what I'm telling you is, my daughter was noticing what was going on. And my initial parental instinct was to shield her from this and distract because I didn't want her to see Coco in that light. I as a

father, you can make of it what you will, wasn't prepared in that moment to have this conversation with someone that is seemingly in her eyes done no wrong. I'd like to protect Coco's innocence in the eyes of my child and I'd like to keep my daughter in this lane. And the fact that it lasted for 10 minutes just meant daddy had to spin more plates. And I was an appreciative of that. I'd like to know what you were doing

to distract her from watching. We played with slime. Like. Tickling. Must know tickling. I feel a lot like my sister, like I did when my sister told me, hey, when you raise an 18 year old, you can say something.

And I was pretty, pretty hurt by that. But I will say that sister told me, hey, when you raise an 18 year old, you can say something. And I was pretty hurt by that. But I will say that I think in those scenarios, if you don't mind me suggesting it, I think you can let her lead the way. If she has questions, if she wants to find out, hey, why is Coco acting that way? What's going on? Why is she crying?

I think you can lead her into a decent conversation because again, the idea that nobody's perfect is something that you should probably get across pretty. I'm not saying you been shielding her were wrong. You know what she told me earlier that morning? Oh boy. Daddy what happens when you get sucked out of your window by a twister? So like she's got a lot of questions some of them absurd some of them more rooted in reality but you know you kind of pick and choose and around minute eight of playing with slime and doing the distraction thing and my wife's in the room too I'm kind

of like all right Coco let's get let's get it going here otherwise a more difficult otherwise you got to slide down the list of personal Coco is in our house Coco golf's not thinking about your daughter when she's playing tennis she's thinking about her match and what she feels is unfair or or really like crappy treatment Constantly throughout her time playing sports Emotion is part of sports if a woman being emotional while she's playing a sport is something that you don't think that your daughter can handle Then you should not be watching sports with her. It feels pretty simple flag on the play No, terrible point shitty point not a fan of that point and also it's convenient to cherry pick

When and where Coco golf is cognizant of being a role model because there are plenty of times including the time She hit an autograph ball to my daughter where she wanted to be that I understand It's impossible to adhere to that standard the entire time However, it is not without the occasional criticism. And to do that for 10 minutes, I think pretty universally, even though there's no shortage of people making excuses for her, was a bad look. I don't think it's unfair to say that, again, she had a bad day. Excuse me. Even if she is somebody who sees herself as a role model at most times, will have a bad spot, will have an issue with tone

perhaps when she doesn't expect it, and all of these things are lessons to be learned and to just shield the, again I'm not saying it was the wrong move, I'm just saying that it's an alternative move. Let your daughter grow up Mike, that's what he is saying. To shield her away is just one option, but it's not the only option and it certainly shouldn't be put on Coco who is again 20 years old and think about how you had everything figured out. I think separating the four-year-old from this the four-year-old in that instance displayed a bit more maturity than Coco. Sheik and is displaying in that moment display more maturity that I'm having right now because I'm digging my heels a little

bit in but Coco for behavior of a 20-year-old professional tennis player, was out of line. It was an outsized reaction. If you want to view it through the prism of preparing my 4-year-old daughter for a life of hardships, cool. That's cool with you. I'm saying in a vacuum, five minutes. Major asshole. Out. Well done. Well done. Roomful of childless people. Good call. Out.

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man you know, officer Tiger, man you're the hardest player. I said please man, your job, you fat 300 pounder, all you have to do is stay in front of another fat 300 pounder for three seconds for three seconds one fat 300 other fat 300 stay in front of it. Mean, mean. Stoogats. I gotta go out here I got a fighter dude to come off the line of scrimmage just to get into my route go run around fake another dude out go turn

Catch a ball that's being projected down the field fast flying somewhere between heaven and earth Snatched it out the air mid air come down put my foot on the ground Oh while somebody trying to take my head off and I don't get a tear till I get in the end zone. I'm like, please, come on, man, let's be real. This is the Dan LeVatar Show with the Stugats. I shouldn't be allowed to vote either, according to some people.

So I guess now I'll add that to the list. Can't vote. You guys are really missing. Yeah, talk about tennis. What else? What's at play here. Coco made Mike's day more difficult and that's really why he's lashing out at her. What is Coco supposed to do Dan? Like five minutes into her crying, being emotional, like check her watch and say, hey, five minutes. How is Mike going to explain this to his daughter?

I want to talk about the whole role model part of this because the only one who's gotten away with it famously is charles barkley who because this conversation has been in sports for a long time i did commercials i am not a role model uh... and i have said as someone who is childless my entire life when i hear some fan complaining about some athlete misbehavior with I need a better role model from my athlete, I always say some version of if that child is looking for his or her role model anywhere beyond that dinner table, they're looking in the wrong place. However,

looking in the wrong place. However, I don't have a child. I do believe your way of looking at the world and sports changes instantaneously the moment you're trying to protect a four-year-old from everything in the world that can contaminate a four-year-old. I do believe that parenting ends up being something that I'm always getting into arguments with fans about because they do expect their athletes to behave to a higher standard of humanity than the rest of us. But you've said them do almost all of the time. No, but you protect your kids from the important stuff. Like, I'm sorry, it's Coco Golf having a temper tantrum.

Wait a minute, Stu Gatz, parents decide what the important stuff is for their kids, but you decide for you. I still am, that's a good point. That's right, you still are. Not really, I mean, they don't listen to me anymore. But you decide for you, you don't decide for everybody. There's not a uniform handbook on this one.

But you would agree shielding your daughter or your son from Coco Goff's temper tantrum is an odd thing to shield them from. I would argue that a child could be harmed more watching our show yesterday, when we showed that guy bashing in the mirror of a car. That was more harmful. I would argue a four year old can relate,

can see a person like Coco breaking down and saying, wow, that must really hurt. Like that emotion, that thought can absolutely go through a four-year-old child's head. I would say though. And if not, she probably won't remember any of this. That's true. That's part of it. Put it on the poll, please, Juju, at LeBittard Show.

Do you remember anything from being four years old? Isn't the larger issue here that Coco Coco golf says this continues to happen to her She can't control it like it seems like emotionally she's going through something here whether it's the pressure anxiety I don't know what it is But this has now happened on two massive stages in the last three or four months I would say a ten-minute crying fit is not a whole lot that we've we haven't seen that one a whole lot in sports We've seen it actually in tennis because john mackerel and jimmy connors routinely did the things like this without the tears but just temper tantrums

necarios we haven't spent this much time talking about no carry us and he's made a career out of but is the i am telling you the last time i saw cocoa golf play before the olympics was at the french open and the entire match he was doing this against emma navarro and i'm sitting there watching the match and I'm like is everything okay with her? Like she was freaking out, she was struggling on the court, she was not happy. Well the larger thing here right is whether it's Jennifer Capriotti or any of the young people that this sport devours because before they're fully formed we

throw them into a lonely professional circuit of you better grow up fast uh... i would say that generally speaking it's harder for the tennis player who's twenty to be as balanced life-wise as the rest of us just because of of the of the the demand of being that excellent in that sport? Individual sport specifically. I think we should maybe take a step back and think about Coco Gough and what we know about her. I'm not the biggest tennis fan in the world,

but I do follow her. She seems like a perfectly nice, reasonable, good person and a good competitor. And maybe think about what she's saying and try to understand where she's coming from and why this moment had her so upset and try to maybe just find some like empathy for that and how frustrating a position she must have been in before we start saying like she's a bad role model for my kids like that's where I'm coming from like we've never been in that position we've never been competing in the Olympics before in an individual sport with like all the pressure of the world on our shoulders In a sport where that she feels like she's been continually cheated out of points because of bad calls like this when I'm gonna think

Of Cocoa Goff. I'm gonna think of that US Open last year Well before I think of this and the role model aspect of that is look this 19 year old just won this major Celebrating with her family in the middle of New York, and it's amazing. That is way more of a lesson or something that you can gain from as a child or a father, whatever, than that one bad moment. And yes, you might have had more than one, but let's be honest. If we're judging her based on what she's done well versus what she's done wrong, the scales are pretty heavy.

She's had more good moments. The scales are pretty heavy. It was Wimbledon, I apologize. I keep saying the French Open. That's where she had the meltdown again. But there was a whole story written about it afterwards where people were concerned about the well-being of Coco Golf. It's imagine the pressure trying to be the next Serena Williams. I mean, it's crazy.

Agreed. I would say that we spend a lot of time though here parsing as we did earlier We did this just yesterday with Greg Cody is the celebration of this bronze medal team? the right degree of Celebration we're doing it now with is three minutes, right is ten minutes too much Where do I have to put it before it becomes too much? Like what we do this one all the time in sports on that emotional outburst. Here's how I unemotionally would have done it even though I'm not as good as

these people are and I don't care as much as these people are at what they do. It's incredible to me that in the same show where we're talking about Simone Biles is like redemption tour after she had to back out of the Olympics three years ago because of all the pressure She was under and how much anxiety she had Participating in her sport. We are now doing the role model thing with Coco golf Who is a 20 year old competing in the Olympics? Like does anyone not see the irony here? And I'm not sure we were getting 10 minutes from I don't know either. Did anyone time how long she was arguing with the ref? Honestly, Mike.

Well, I read, no, I read in the article, I read that it was 10 minutes, and I read that she said it's not the reason that she lost the match either. So I was not timing it. I like a quick objection, you know, you let the umpire know, hey, it was a bad call, you did me wrong there, and then you get back, you know?

Just move on, keep it moving. Like like maybe under a minute but once you reach the threshold and this is this is it for me at least where you it seems like you can't control your emotions out there on national TV on a massive stage that's a reason to be concerned it is that's take it's it's too much okay but Travis Kelsey you know bumped into his coach during the Super Bowl because of the size of the pressure because he couldn't control his emotions Yeah, I mean it helped though, right? I mean it got them all fired up. Oh, that's an interesting way of looking at it I'm seeing an article about it where it says it took almost five minutes for play to resume. So okay more reasonable I mean only five minutes for play to resume. So. Okay. More reasonable. I mean, only five minutes.

All right. That's what we're upset about. There it is. Okay. Thank you. Just barely. Who was that? What character was that? The Judger of Tennis. Tony, do you have, do you have some contributions to our entire Olympic experience today? Can we get a top five list from you on? We absolutely can general, general Olympic observations. Oh, we're doing it. We had to make it. Wow. Excellent. All right. Any O.L.I.s here?

No O.L.I.s. We're getting straight to it. Number five. Hold on, Tony, before you get to it. Tony's top five is brought to you by Liquid IV. If hydrating were an Olympic sport, you would win gold. Get 20% off your first order of Liquid IV when you go to liquidiv.com and use code Dan at checkout. He looks extra hydrated today.

So these are the top five things that I've seen over the last couple days and the weekend of the Olympic Games. Things that, to me, I felt were worthy of being in a top five. So it may not be the best moments, it may not be the most incredible things. It's your list. It's a top five of top five moments. Are you apologizing for your... On the front end? I'm just giving context. I'm just giving context. Number five, a bee landing on an archer and ruining her shot. I saw that. That's unfortunate man. You know, I I mean, it was she drew back the bow, right?

And as you're holding back that bow, it's a lot of pressure that you've got to hold to keep that arrow straight. All of a sudden, as she's about to let it go, a bee lands right on her finger, her guide finger, that's looking at the target. That could have gone horrifically if she just got distracted and all of a sudden

she's aiming at the stand where all the crowd is. Yeah, that would be bad number four We're going to the 10 meter air pistol We're yeezy Kim has the most aura in the Olympics I don't know if you've you guys have seen yeezy Kim, okay. Look at her with the air pistol Get a front-facing shot of it. She's got like a scope on one eye, but then also something else covering her other eye. This looks like a James Bond or Indiana Jones villain.

A great movie assassin. Great movie assassin. You don't know if she's good or evil. She's on bullet train, like about to shoot. Did you have the archer launching arrows into the stand? I'm saying if you have a B- if I was about to shoot an arrow on a B land I'd be like, OHHHH! It is unfortunate, right? You're spending four years to have that moment. You're waiting four years to get that moment. And a B shows up and just... It was a big ass B too. Might have been a Wasp, to be honest. We don't know. Number three, Simone Biles and Dem Girls getting team gold.

Much different than the other two. Again, my top five. Number two. Number two. Cuba with an excellent 26 for 35 on offense, all blocked out by Brazil. Ayala and Diaz, the only undefeated Cuban beach volleyball players in the Olympics in a stacked pool D. Ayala looks like the Kamehama tumble at the net.

Dude is a beast. Beat the beat the men's, uh, USA team, and then beat Brazil. It's a lot of lists. Takes up a lot of space on your paper, doesn't it? Like a lot of headlines. Yeah, it does. It does. It does tighten it up. You're mentioning beach volleyball.

Uh, Olympic camera operators have been told to avoid sexist angles on the beach. The issue is, yeah, no. So here's both. Sexist, sexy, sexy, sexist angle. The issue is Dan, when you're getting a certain angle of them going to serve, you can see the gamesmanship within the game where women or men are letting people know What person to hit it to with angles and signs behind their back and what do you do? You're trying to see the gamesmanship of the game. It also happens to be by a but Am I wrong there hold on am I wrong there I'm not dying no, okay miss

Representing I actually no one even really explained what a sexist angle was in that whole segment. Sex angle? No one is saying that showing an angle of the play is sexist. The whole point of like the sexist thing was showing the difference between how they show men versus women and that like,

women statistically get more closeups and less game play and stuff like that. Listen, I played volleyball a lot of my life. I don't know what those damn signals mean. I don't know so don't show them to me. I don't care I was I was of the opinion that all beach volleyball male female that all of it was meant at least in part for the For some people to show up and just ogle. I thought all of it That says more about you than I just thought that's what was beach. I thought it of it. Yeah, that says more about you than anyone else. I just thought that's what was beach volleyball.

I thought it was beach volleyball. I thought it was everybody. All sexes. The 90s over on Miami Beach, that's what you were doing. I like that. Number one, Ilona Marr and the Women's Rugby Team. Oh yeah. This is a little two-for-on number one. Ilona Marr with her first carry a couple of games ago against Japan where they were down 7-0. They scored 36 unanswer unanswered Alona Mar was like Derek Henry throwing a Japanese lady like 16 yards

It was insane and then she ran 95 meters or whatever for a touchdown Which I don't know if it's called a touchdown or not by the way, but they do touch the ball That is not so I don't think in rugby. It's a try. Okay. It's a touchdown. Look at you is not. I don't think in rugby it's a try. Okay. It's a touchdown. Look at you, uh, American Jack. And then obviously the bronze medal game, Alex Cedric with a 95 meter. I don't know how to 95 meters touchdown at the buzzer at the death to give USA its first, uh, metal stand ever in rugby. Jessica, what proportion of this segment has you all of

it in your hands not her top five it's true it's not one dear you mentioned Derek Henry which allows me to segue seamlessly to Titans training camp even though he is no longer a Tennessee Titan what an odd place to transition to yeah but didn't see that one coming you You didn't. But here's some video and some audio of who is the player. Is it Simmons, the Titan? Defensive end, Jeffrey Simmons for the Titans. This is at training camps all over. You're seeing radio shows going out to camp and this radio show is about to interview someone else on the Titans. But then one of the hosts gets confronted by Jeffrey Simmons about something he had said online. the host gets confronted by Jeffrey Simmons about something he had said online. on the air right now. I'm right here Jeff we can talk anytime you want to. Unbelievable. We gotta make that happen. Well we'll deal with that later on.

Roger McCreary sitting down with us here on 104.5 The Zone. Jeff if you want to sit down and talk about this we can talk about this. I'm talking to you right here. Jeff we tried to talk to you last week. I'm being rude to Roger. We'll deal with you later Roger What's going on? It's good. Don't get out here. I'm doing good Awkward for Roger that is a great southern radio voice great boy Yes, we all had the same reaction I want to listen to that guy show even if all his points are bad

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