The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 2: Schedule Watching (feat. Shaquille Leonard)

Episode Date: October 7, 2025

"When I went right, I was good!" Shaquille Leonard is here to detail why he retired from the NFL, how he ended up coaching high school football, and why it's about the size of the fight in the dog..., not the size of the dog in the fight. Also, the Shipping Container tries to trick Greg Cote with AI videos. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is the Dan Levatore show with the Stucats podcast. Shaq Leonard is going to join us here three-time All-Pro linebacker. Retired after only six seasons in the NFL, most of them with the Colts. They're seeing more NFL players do that at around 30 when they make their money. So I want to talk to him a little bit about this Colt season and in general what went on with him physically that made him basically put down. his identity at 30 years old. It was cool to see the Colts do his trademark celebration during that game that he was honored,
Starting point is 00:00:37 spoke to the crowd at halftime. Weird game that one, given that it was on Fox and the whole Mark Sanchez thing. Well, I want to talk about that for a second because the details, we had some of them yesterday, but for all of the things that are unknown there, I think most of the people are doing... credibility and get reckless. Here is something we like to call reckless speculation.
Starting point is 00:01:06 You're good. He was on something, right? We're all assuming that it wasn't just drunkenness that makes you wipe the pepper spray from your eyes and continue to attack somebody who has a knife and pepper spray. And no matter how much the 69-year-old truck driver has lived, that was a bad situation. that Mark Sanchez ran up into where the 69-year-old guy is prepared to defend himself in an alley
Starting point is 00:01:37 with pepper spray with a knife with a knife and the man handles cooking oil after midnight for a living like the man is the truck driver is somebody who while you're not quite prepared to defend yourself in this instance didn't just take the beating fought back in a way that leaves Mark Sanchez in a public swirl that will end his broadcasting career. These charges, these felonious charges, it's going to cost him a ton of money, a ton of money when this truck driver retires from having to handle cooking oil. But that's bad luck to be so on something. And again, I'm speculating here, obviously, but I think it's speculation we're all doing, that the guy that you run into in your reckless disarray, while I've read that he was running sprints after midnight in the
Starting point is 00:02:27 alleys too, that that guy has both a knife and pepper spray. And we don't know what condition. He's in stable condition, but we don't know how much damage was actually done to Mark Sanchez. He's ended his broadcasting career. Yeah, it's over. But a lot of people are weighing in, Dan, even the president of the United States said, quote, that was too bad.
Starting point is 00:02:50 He's a nice guy. I don't know what happened. Something bad happened. Something a little crazy happened. okay yeah fair commentary you think yeah people were people were ready to politicize that you were right I read I went back and read some of the immediate takes and it was interesting to watch Mark Sanchez turned immediately into a victim in a situation the reports did lead that no but not not the politics of it not not when
Starting point is 00:03:18 we're in living in violent cities now where people aren't safe in alleys not what happened next where people ran right to their but not just him He hasn't walked it back, though. He's like, my point stands. Let me talk to Shaq Leonard here because, as I said, it was cool to watch the way that he was celebrated. And the Colts have the best team that they've had in a while, even though he was excellent for the Colts for a good long time, but not as long as I would have liked to see. So I have some questions for him.
Starting point is 00:03:47 Nice to see you, Shaq. Thank you for being on with us. What did make you leave early when you were so excellent at this? Oh, man, it just surgeries after surgeries, man, and just fighting back and trying to get back to being the absolute best that I could be
Starting point is 00:04:05 and then the body was just wearing down and, you know, I just decided, you know what I mean? Instead of just putting my body through so much, you know, just walk away and be there with my family and, you know, be there for the community that gave me a lot. And that was basically, it came out to my decision, man. How hard was it for you?
Starting point is 00:04:25 How much did you wrestle with? it? My man, it's extremely hard, man. It was difficult. It probably took me, it took me over a year to kind of, you know, to make the decision because, I mean, you don't want to give it up. You don't want to, you know, walk away from something that you enjoy doing. So, you know, it is, it took a toll on me, mentally, physically, emotionally, just trying to
Starting point is 00:04:49 figure out which way to go. So I just figured that the safest and the smartest move was to walk away and just be there for family. Did you talk to Andrew Luck at all about it? Not about retirement, but Andrew and I, you know, we'll tics each other every once in a while just trying to catch up or whatnot. But normally never never talk to about retiring or nothing like that. It was just more so a self-conscious thing that I felt like I was, you know, I had to do to make a decision for me and my family. Shack, occasionally players who retire young and are very good change their mind. We've just seen it down here with Darren Waller, the tight end for the
Starting point is 00:05:26 dolphins. Is the door ajar? Is there a chance in a year or two? You make a comeback. As a right now today, that door is closed. Do I still work out, stuff like that? Yes. But right now, today, tomorrow, that door is shut. Just enjoying what I'm doing right now. You're glancing over it when you say, well, it was hard. You're a second round pick, okay? You fight all your life to get there. You overcome odds. You're at the top 1% of the top 1% of doing what it is that you do. You must have been in a great deal of physical pain. So what are you talking about there when you tell us that you were finished?
Starting point is 00:06:09 Oh, man. Shoot, where do I start? I mean, my rookie year, I spray my ankle week four and played the whole season through with a sprain the ankle and then end up having a surgery after year one. And then I got the back and cut some year two. and then year three, I tear my pectanias, had another anchor surgery. Year four, I mean, that's that's a 2021 season, man. I literally was out there just running around at about 75%.
Starting point is 00:06:39 Just having my anchors tape, just being in pain every single day of, every single day of year, honestly, just trying to do what's best to, you know, get out there on the field. And then in 2022, man, I was out there. I couldn't do a calf raise. I couldn't jump. I had no power on my left leg. And I was still out there trying to do it.
Starting point is 00:07:03 I shouldn't even know way I should have been on the field. But just being out there, man. And then my final year is basically the same thing. Absolutely no leg power. I can't even jump rope off the left leg. And then, you know, battling with that, getting cut from the coast. I go to the Eagles. And then after the Eagles year, man, I had five bone spurs in the front of my ankle.
Starting point is 00:07:26 So I didn't have no flexion in my ankle. And then after that, man, I had two hip surgeries. Then 2021, 2021, of course, the two back surgery. So just surgery after surgery, man. It was tough. It was tough. And every, there's not been a season where I felt good during the season or during the game. I just always just played through the pain.
Starting point is 00:07:49 What hurt the most if you had to identify one thing? Well, I'm not going to say that it hurt because whenever I had the back injury, like I was working out one day and I was fine. I went to OTAs, and the first day of OTAs, we got to run its sprints, and then all of a sudden I feel no power on my left leg. And it took us maybe two months to kind of get down to it and see what it was. And it was just I had my vertebrae and pinched on a nerve. And then with that, man, I just lost all power.
Starting point is 00:08:23 So it wasn't more so that I was in pain. It was just more so I couldn't, I couldn't have no force off my left side. And then with that, having a tooth back surgery, I couldn't bend, lift, twist for six weeks. And then I'm going to go, my first day of training camp, I was only two weeks out from running. and that was probably maybe six to nine months. So I started the season of my final year with the coach. And I probably, when the season started, that was probably my fourth or fifth week,
Starting point is 00:08:56 just getting back to running full speed. And it was just constantly just trying to build up off that. I didn't have the time to rest. I didn't have the time to go out and, you know, get it back as strong as I needed to without having to get back on the field. And ultimately, you know, I pay the price for it, but, you know, I wouldn't change it. wouldn't change absolutely anything about it, because that's who I am, man.
Starting point is 00:09:19 I want to play. I mean, that sometimes you think that maybe people should have protected me from myself, but they knew the competitive nature. I didn't want to sit on that sideline, and I just went out and tried to put my best foot forward. How much did you have to medicate in order to do all of that? Didn't you have to go to some extremes in order to even be out there when you can't do calf raises? Oh, man, not more so medication, besides, you know, just, you know,
Starting point is 00:09:45 pain, pain pills to try to get me, you know, through the game. But besides that, it wasn't nothing. I mean, I got stressed. I mean, man, I got really stressed out whenever I was going through all of this. But they didn't have to put me on blood pressure medicine and kind of get my blood pressure down. Man, so that's the only medication that I really had to be on day and day out. And then night before the game, I take something for pain.
Starting point is 00:10:11 And then the day of the game, I take something for the pain. I'd be in pain on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and then Friday, more so it feels good. Saturday I'm resting, and then Sunday, man, once that game hit, I'm giving it everything I got, and then that cycle of hurt just rolls over, man, because it sucks when you're playing a game and you can't push off your left leg. Then when you watch my tape from my final couple years, it was, what was missing was a splash plays, and I knew that I couldn't get to the splash plays because it's more so coming off more so effort and speed.
Starting point is 00:10:45 So I just had to do my job, and then I started looking bad when I was trying to do more than my job. How about when you went right, though? When I went right, I was there. I was good. I was good. I mean, listen, if I knew what gap, I could shoot, I knew what play was coming. I was great.
Starting point is 00:10:59 But then that came down with, you know, the coaches and everybody trusted me to do that because I had a new coaching staff in Indianapolis. And everybody knew that I had instincts until I get out there. I lined up in the wrong gap. and then I knew at a snap of the ball where to go because I knew
Starting point is 00:11:17 the blocking scheme but they wasn't comfortable with me doing that so it slowed my game down a little bit to make sure that you know I was doing what I was told
Starting point is 00:11:24 and just trying to fit into that scheme and I go back to you know when I played it my last start my last start with the Eagles
Starting point is 00:11:33 it was just downhill football man playing against Sequin on Christmas night and I looked good you know just running straight downhill but
Starting point is 00:11:40 it is what it is man, I feel great now, so it is what it is. I know that you said you couldn't get that explosiveness on your leg. You had all the surgeries, all that stuff. But, like, do you ever consider just taking Mark Jackson's advice and just tell your body, not now? I'll talk to you tomorrow. That's not how you said it.
Starting point is 00:11:57 No, I just more so taking it one day at a time, man, just being with my feet are as of right now. So right now, it's just more so continue to work out, continue to get worked on your body, and just, you know, be here for my family and be here for the high school kids that I'm coaching down here because I want to see them succeed and I can't have that door opened right now or today or tomorrow
Starting point is 00:12:21 because if I even inch towards going back, I can't be all-win as a coach and I don't think these kids, they don't deserve that either. I mean or them out. How are the gators looking, by the way, like a few gaiters? Well, we're young, man. We're young. But right now we're three and two.
Starting point is 00:12:39 We lost two games. And we got a big one coming up. We got a big one coming up here against the undefeated team. They're bigger, they're faster, they're stronger. But we're known for our relentless effort, being the smallest team. And just playing full speed and playing with a lot of heart and a lot of fight. And I'm really looking forward to seeing these guys match up and see how they compete against these guys. Because I think that, you know, they're ready for the opportunity.
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Starting point is 00:16:06 I said old. We've said all. He said all that. He said all that. Everyone is. Everything you're saying, it's all been said. Everything you're saying, it's all been said. Okay, you've got to understand one thing.
Starting point is 00:16:16 Stugats. Me, maximum. That's right. Until I say it, it hasn't been said. Boom. Okay, understand that. You're the mayor. Until I say it hasn't been said.
Starting point is 00:16:26 Me maximum. Me maximum. Me maximum. This is the Dan Levitar-Tar show with the Stugats. What's the thing you like the most about coaching high school and what is the patients involved? Because I would imagine that some of that is involved as well. One thing I love about it, man, is seeing them grow. Seeing them grow a week in, week out, and seeing them make plays that they didn't think they can make.
Starting point is 00:17:00 But you knew as a coach that you knew that they had it in them. And once they, you know, go out and show their, you know, full potential. that you've seen, seeing the smiles on their face and seeing how the team comes together is a beautiful thing to see. And patience, yes, you've got to have a lot of patience, man, because for one, this generation is a whole lot different from when I played, when you guys played. The mentality is different, so they're not as locked in as it was back in the day. So it's going to be a lot of mental mistakes and it's more so frustrating there. But, you know, that's what coaching is, man. If it was perfect, man, that's not really coaching
Starting point is 00:17:36 it's just actually just being there. So I enjoyed the frustrating parts of it, the good parts, the bad parts, and everything about it. Big one coming up against LaSalle, huh? And then Logan's Port? Say it again? Big one coming up against LaSalle on the 10th. What?
Starting point is 00:17:50 We were going to run through the schedule. Mr. Maniac, you were really good at punching the ball out from opposing players. We have a cast member on our show. His name is Jonathan Zaslo, and he's on a campaign to eradicate that from the NFL, saying that players shouldn't be allowed to punch opposing players to try to cause a fumble because if they miss, it could cause a boo-boo on the
Starting point is 00:18:11 forearm. What is your stance on this? Well, that's like telling the offensive linemen don't use his hands. So, I mean, I just feel like, man, that ball is out there. And if you watch it take me, that's a lot of bad ball security. And as a defense, you think about the ball all the time. You punch at the ball. So I don't like it. I don't think that you take it out of the ball game because it's really good for the defense.
Starting point is 00:18:33 And you see more people of it now. So I love it. 16 force fumbles in his career because he was very good at punching the football. He also wore the same T-shirt for several years under his pads. Can you tell us a little bit about that T-shirt? Is that still available? How bad does that thing? Smell?
Starting point is 00:18:52 What kind of shape is that in? Oh, man, it doesn't smell. I get it washed every week. But yes, I do have that shirt, man. It's all about just feeling good, man. Just feeling that peace, feeling at home. and my first win, my first big game was against Washington, the Redskins, and I wore the white shirt underneath, and once you find that good mojo, man,
Starting point is 00:19:15 you want to keep that good mojo? So I wore the same shirt, the same socks, but yes, they were clean. Each week they were washed, but I'm very superstitious, man, and I just love it, man. I just love the small details of how to make somebody go about their day. You wore a cowboy hat at your retirement ceremony. cowboy hats do you have? As a right now, I think I probably have
Starting point is 00:19:37 seven cowboy hats. I'm normally wearing them all the time, especially here at home, working out on the farm and stuff. So, yeah, man, I love to look, man. I love to be, you know, my country self, and I love the cowboy look. Who gave you the nickname Maniac, and did you embrace it
Starting point is 00:19:53 immediately? Man, I forgot who gave me the name, the Maniac. It was a kid on Sacramento State campus when I played I played against Clemson, I came back on campus, and he was like, man, you play like a straight maniac, man. And then once he said that, man, I embrace that role because, you know, if you see me
Starting point is 00:20:13 out of the public, man, I'm one of the nicest guy, most humble guy that you would probably ever meet. But once we step between the lines and we got to compete against each other, that's when that maniac's not here right now. Maniac's not here. I can't ask for him. He's not. No, he's not here.
Starting point is 00:20:30 Only maniac only come out when he's not compete, man. man, I just see myself on the sideline now coaching-wise and it had come out sometimes and I mean, I can't control it, man. I just get in that zone and it's competing time. You don't ask to, he's not... No, I should ask about the Lakeview Gator's upcoming schedule as well as you mentioned that.
Starting point is 00:20:49 Carver's Bay 7 and 0 is the next one, yeah. That's a big... They're undersized. You got this as pink and serious. We always under size. That's great. We're always undersized, man. And it's never the size of the dog that's in the fight.
Starting point is 00:21:02 It's size of the fight. that's in that dog and we always will bring that fight and that's what we live for. Yeah, Lakeview.
Starting point is 00:21:08 Lada? What do we think about that one? Uh, Shaq, man, that's one of our rivals, man.
Starting point is 00:21:13 Yeah. We, we're looking forward to it, man, each year, man, it's always a good game and we definitely,
Starting point is 00:21:19 you know, looking for it, but we got to take care of Carver's Bay first, man, and then following, we'll see Lada at their house and
Starting point is 00:21:25 then the Green Sea Floyd's. Come out. We'll play our best best football there. Yeah. Shack, good seeing you. Thank you for spending this time with us.
Starting point is 00:21:33 We appreciate it, sir. Of course, Matt. Thank you all so much. So you've got a guy who goes by maniac, and he's telling you it's not the size of the dog in the fight. It's the size of the fight and the dog. And then Greg Cody shows up, slides into the room and says the most menacing thing that can be said. Hello.
Starting point is 00:21:51 I'm affirming what he just said. Hello, maniac. Hello, maniac. Hello. That's the better way. Hello. Who needs me? That's the better way to say it.
Starting point is 00:22:05 And you know it. It is. Just going to the recycled hits. He's been done since he recycled all of his column work. I asked Billy, before we did the Taylor Swift lyrics, I said, is there any more in Greg Cody's paywall column that can be read? And he says to me, he's done the whole thing already. He repeated everything he said in his comments.
Starting point is 00:22:29 column, he just repeated it on air. Yeah. How was that not embarrassing to you, to say it all the same way that you wrote it? Okay, first of all, it's obviously not true. It was about a 950-word column, so I'm just repeating some of the many great hits in that column. You know, I encourage people to go read it themselves. Do you encourage them to go listen to the Greg Cody Show featuring Greg Cody? I would love, yeah, it's with, of course.
Starting point is 00:22:57 Please get that straight. I would love it if they did. It's opening night for the Florida Panthers, the best team in town, the best team in hockey. And we have Gustav Forseling on our podcast. Surprisingly good chat. And when I say surprisingly good, he's a Swedish guy. Some Swedish hockey players are a little, you know, not known for effusive personality. Go on.
Starting point is 00:23:19 But we got a lot out of Gustav. Talk to him about cooking and other off-ice stuff fishing. Abba. So it was funny. He did bring up Abba. Yeah, I did bring up Abba. I felt like I needed to. Put it on the poll at Levitart show.
Starting point is 00:23:34 Did Greg Cody need to bring up Abba when talking to Gustav Forcily? I did, yeah. It's a question probably better posed to Gustav's parents, but still, you know, you got to love Dancing Queen, Waterloo. I mean, they got some bangers right there. Greg, I saw you admit you're wrong also on this episode. I did admit I was wrong. Wow. Yeah, thank you.
Starting point is 00:23:53 It's because in the episode previously, he said that, he said to me when I was asking about the day I was born, He's like, you know, I didn't actually see you for 20 minutes. You were like, I was in a different room. You got brought in and 20 minutes went by. And then my mom came on the next week and said, you were in the room. Well, you know, I mean, your mother was always right. The idea. Because I was in the room when my daughter was born.
Starting point is 00:24:14 The idea that 30 years from now, I won't remember to my daughter that I was in the room is wild to me. Okay, it's 38 years ago. I'm off by 20 minutes. Yeah. You were in the room. In fairness, your mom. probably also drugged up. Like, who knows what she remembers exactly from that day?
Starting point is 00:24:33 Well, Greg still has not forgiven our former sports editor, Paul Anger, who he called Paul Anchor on his career, because that sports editor called Greg while he was in the hospital room for one of these births and asked him to report on George Myra Jr.'s steroid suspension. That was Christopher's birth. That was my first child is being born that day. well there we go he was talking to anchor on the phone in another room there was no cell phones at the time he had to step out to take the call that's right case closed exactly st billy brings up a very good place so work you know you were like i'll work right now but he was angry at his boss for asking him to work when he was waiting for your birth yes that was before the birth so i i bum rushed anger off the phone and said no i'm going to graciously decline not to go chase george myra junior got his ass kicked on the story that's what welcomed you into the world Chris. I mean, it was reported by others that the star linebacker for the University of Miami had been suspended.
Starting point is 00:25:35 You got mad at our boss for calling you and telling you that you should do your job. I was too busy creating a human life. I apologize. Did you guys have any janitor's sources like Diana? Like, what's the weirdest profession source that you guys have? You don't have to tell us who the person is. Restaurant owners are good for me. Really?
Starting point is 00:25:52 Yeah. I had a cop at you, I'm in front of the floors shop. I meant to speak about this, actually. the cop that you had at UM, but I meant to say this the other day when we were talking about University of Miami Royalty and the idea of Michael Irvin as the new mascot. To see Ed Hudak still running out with the coaches when he's run out with every coach as we don't really have state troopers the way that run out with the Bobby Bowdens, the way that some other places have. To see one singular police officer be the one
Starting point is 00:26:26 who keeps all of the University of Miami coaches secrets and is trusted by Mario Cristobal back from the time that Mario Cristobal was a player at the University of Miami? Did you just reveal Greg's source? No, that's not the source. There's just a weird thought to pop in your head immediately after this conversation. It's because I thought, when I saw him running out with Mario Cristobal, I was like, my God, Ed Hudak's been doing that for 40 years.
Starting point is 00:26:52 He's been running out singularly to protect a University of Michigan. Miami coach, ever since back when Dennis Erickson needed rides home from the local bars because he was drinking too much. Maybe it's just a phase you're going through. You'll get over it. I can't help you with that. The next appointment is in six months. You're not alone.
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Starting point is 00:27:36 Joe Chestnuts of fraud. Oh, he's on fire. He called Connor McDavid overrated before the show. What the hell was that, Greg? Yeah, no. I love it. Stugats. Roy, let me explain it to you.
Starting point is 00:27:46 And not that you need to, you know more about hockey. And this is coming from a guy that's watched Connor play six times. Right. If that. This is the Dan Lebatar show. With these two gods. The other big news in this week's episode was Gustav Forsling confirming with what, with us Panther fans that we need to stop saying night during the national anthem.
Starting point is 00:28:15 Oh, absolutely. He was just like, yeah, I don't know why they do that. It's a good point by you. Tonight it's tricky. All right, they got to do it tonight. No, tonight is starting for Chicago, so they're probably going to do it. I'm okay with it tonight. It's a 5 p.m. start tonight, isn't it?
Starting point is 00:28:28 Give me that. I know this is selfish, and people who work 9 to 5s may hate this. Give me, sign me up for the 5 p.m. start. Oh, yeah. For our schedule? Oh, done by 8. Love it. Put it on the poll at Lebitard Show. Would you prefer a 5 p.m. start for your nighttime sporting events? The prime time game on ESPN is Rangers, Penguins.
Starting point is 00:28:47 Neither one of those teams made to playoff license. They're doing that just to mess with you, Roy. Yes, they are. They're pissing me off, man. It is a little insulting. It is. Back-to-back champs against a team that is from the central time zone. Kicks things off at 5 o'clock Eastern when the non-playoff teams granted original six franchises.
Starting point is 00:29:06 Pittsburgh and, well, is Pittsburgh an original six? No, no, no, no. Well, Blue Blood franchises in that sport that miss the playoffs just because Sidney Crosby is there gets the prime time slot. I'm not a fan of it. Can you guys give me some information on what LeBron James did with his second decision? Was it all marketing? What did he announce here moments ago while we were talking about it that are the details that I need to have here on? LeBron James was teasing something. He was doing it commercially. He was doing it as an advertisement. And I don't think this stuff ends up enduring in any meaningful way. But I do always wonder why it is and how it is. Some folks like Kevin Hart, for example, are so insatiable that they simply cannot stop at the of money. They cannot stop selling the things they are about. And I don't think it actually costs him anything, but I do wonder how much of this you do before people call you a sellout.
Starting point is 00:30:06 What is the, what is the announcement? He said this fall, he's bringing his talents to Hennessy. Yeah. That's it. It's a Hennessy ad. Yeah. He looks cold. He got us. We're talking about it. The hair's not great. There's salt and pepper there. Wow, another corporate sponsorship for the billionaire. So stupid. You pipe down. I was watching a documentary I had not seen before last night, American Pain, and it's just about how out of control all of the pain medication selling was specifically in Florida and South Florida.
Starting point is 00:30:40 And it was two meatheads who sold half a billion pills, basically, because they were just... Our state is just replete with corruption. Medicaid has its biggest issues down here in Florida and always has, but this particular documentary that was killing people with opioid addictions, these two meatheads couldn't stop wanting to expand their stupidity because of the greed. When does any of this stuff land on you guys in a way where you actually say, that's a sellout that's so wrapped around just grabbing it money that I'm going to like you less. because you're someone who sells out. You cannot have enough. You're insatiable. That kind of greed confuses me once you've arrived at a point that you've already conquered
Starting point is 00:31:30 and you still need more and more. It doesn't bother me because I'm used to it. What about Alan John putting it in your lane? That's never ending last tour? The four-year farewell tour, yeah. No, I expect that. They're here to make money, not just play sports. And, you know, I hate the idea that he's teasing it
Starting point is 00:31:51 with a big announcement, and then it turns out to be his latest sponsor. I think that's tacky. But the idea... Oh, you mean like what we did with the Greg Cody show when we had a big guest a couple weeks ago? And we misled the audience to trick them to get to watch? The idea that he's making money off Hennessy is great. Okay?
Starting point is 00:32:09 It's great. More power to them. Yeah. But the tease, like, we do that in podcast. Like, you tease things. If I got something I want to announce tomorrow, I'm going to make you interested in it. Right. And what's the difference between him teasing this and us seeing him in an ad for?
Starting point is 00:32:21 for Hennessy. The difference is that he's playing with your feelings and playing with the idea that he's going to retire again and reminding you how he went from popular to unpopular to popular again by like the original mistake, I'm going to call it a mistake because he's said it's a mistake. I didn't think it was a mistake. But the original quote unquote mistake that he made was teasing people with their feelings because he was playing with the suspense and the drugs. and then making a decision. Here, he didn't change the way free agency is covered. He didn't change the way powers distributed.
Starting point is 00:33:00 He just put his name on something that's a brand in order to make more money because he has more brand sponsorships than just about anyone in American sports. And I do wonder, in the case of, for example, Kevin Hart, Kiss is the most commercially successful band of all time. They will sell anything. There is no pride in the art. You mean in terms of licensing? For selling stuff, just for selling.
Starting point is 00:33:21 themselves out commercially and brazenly. Kevin Hart, his last goal is he wants to be a billionaire. That's the most important thing to him. And so you see him everywhere. What does it mean to anyone listening to this to have someone they love brazenly sell out? I think we're so used to it. We're so numb to it that it almost doesn't affect. affect us anymore. It doesn't affect me. I'm so used to saying, you know, when Tiger Woods is the biggest thing in golf, I'm so used to seeing a Nike swoosh on his, on his hat. I don't even think about it anymore. I think it's impossible for a guy like LeBron to sell out and have he, he jumped into our lives immediately at like the top tier of fame. It's not like he was
Starting point is 00:34:12 an indie band that had all these underground records that you adored and then all of a sudden they become imagined dragons. It's not the same kind of relationship. I get it with music. I get it with like directors that probably change. I don't get it when you're complaining about Michael Jordan or or Tiger Woods doing it because they're already entering at the top line. You mentioned Kiss. I don't see anybody licensing their name as much as Shaquille O'Neal. Everything has a Shaquille O'Neal thing on it and no one like we all we all kind of get it. But I will say part of this LeBron story that was interesting was the internet had it wrong. This is bad for Hennessy. Everyone was saying that this was an Amazon prime thing. Good for them. You cannot believe the internet
Starting point is 00:34:50 unless you want to. Let me tell you about my algorithm right now, especially on Instagram. It is all these AI-generated videos of historical figures doing incredible athletic things. I'm not sure it's AI. Well, we'll see. Let's play this one for Greg Cody and see what he thinks. Here's George Washington hitting a walk-off grand slam against the Yankees in the World Series. Do we have audio for this? That's a sweet swing. Let's hear this post-game. I was sitting on the 12-6 curve ball down and inside, and that's what that half-witted and Incompoot gave me. That was unbelievable.
Starting point is 00:35:35 Miller laid on himself. Do you think that's real? Yeah, for sure. All right. Well, here's a great one. Here's a King Elvis Presley post-Nascar race. Elvis 500 miles of Daytona, and you brought it home first. How's that feel?
Starting point is 00:35:46 It feels like I wrestled a hurricane, man, but it sure feels good. Car was steady. Pit crew was lightning, and we kept it together. when it counted. Fans are going wild. Got anything for him? Thank you. Daytona.
Starting point is 00:35:54 He's going to go, thank you very much. Yeah, the best subgenre of this is the WWE. And when they invoke wrestling in historical figures, here's a ladder match between Mr. Rogers and Bob Ross. Hit it.
Starting point is 00:36:06 They're both up there. No way. No way. Oh, my goodness. Stan is fly off the top of the ladder. Through the flaming table. That table's on fire. Just went straight to the canvas
Starting point is 00:36:15 with fire. Oh, man. Believe it or not, that one's actually real. That was from summer Slam, 1987. All right, dad, two are real, one's fake. All right, here we go. Here's another one from the wrestling world.
Starting point is 00:36:28 Please, the roof is coming off for Dufax Shakur. He looks like he was boring to walk that ramp. Yo, anybody back there think they got the heart to step up? I'm right here. B.I.G. Oh, I can't believe this. You've been running your mouth all week, champ, talking like the throne's yours, but you're standing in my house now.
Starting point is 00:36:46 This ring, this is West Coast territory tonight, and I'm setting it off. Biggie, you've been shot. in too long hiding behind that goal tonight i'm kicking the door in that sales gonna lock behind us and there ain't no bodyguard no entourage just you me and every six uh billy how do you feel about elvis how do you feel about everything elvis that is happening uh keeping him i stephen hawking skateboarding don't want to preview it's not get that's not so like it's like basically all stephen hawking ones which i know is you know this one's a little dangerous but as it's been pointed out. No longer with us.
Starting point is 00:37:20 It's fake. Link to the island. Link to the island. Went to the island. So maybe not maybe this is the only person we can do this with, but go ahead and fire up the signal. I'll hit it. Run two. Look at the spade building on that chair. He's locked in. Big pump coming up the launching. Four-twenty-tows for the table. That's realistic. Come on
Starting point is 00:37:35 sideways. Look at Greg. Greg's legitimately shocked. Greg's legitimately hurt on behalf of Stephen Hawking. That was Stephen Hawking trying to do multiple backflips on BMX RAM. Show the Formula One. Come on.
Starting point is 00:37:51 Kingstown. Come on. Driving an F-1 car. 327 kilometers and out from a wheelchair. It's moving away from the Ferrari and the Mercedes. Absolutely. All right. That's enough.
Starting point is 00:38:00 That's enough. I was going somewhere with Billy. I forgot about that race. On Elvis Presley. I wanted to talk about Elvis. Wait, what's Stephen Hawking doing here coming down this ramp? He's on top of the cage. It's on top of the cage.
Starting point is 00:38:16 Are you kidding me? I'm on top of the roof. Through the table. He just slapped him. I used to hate AI. Now I love it. That happened to Billy last week. He said he hated AI and then a segment later loved it again.
Starting point is 00:38:30 That's the relationship we have with AI. Tyree Kill, I mean. Tyree, you guys got that one? All right. Greg, did you see that video? Just play Elvis getting mad at somebody heckling him, please. I don't pay attention to rumors. I don't pay attention to movie magazines.
Starting point is 00:38:44 They don't read them because they're all junk. No, I don't mean to put anybody's job down. I'm talking about they have a job to do, and they've got to write something. So if they don't know anything, they make it up, you know. So in my case, they make it up. But I hear rumors flying around. I got sick in the hospital. Well, you know, in this day and time, you can't even get sick.
Starting point is 00:39:10 You are strung out. Oh, by God, I'll tell you something, friend. I have never been strung out in my life, except on music. when i got sick here in the hotel i got sick here that one night had a hundred and two temperature that would let me perform from three different sources i heard i was strung out on heroin i swear to god hotel employees jack bell boys freaks you carry your luggage up to the room people working around you know talking maids And I was sick.
Starting point is 00:39:50 I was, you know, I was getting, had a doctor, had the flu, and I'd get over one day, was I? But all across this town, I was strung out. So I told him earlier, and don't you get offended, ladies and gentlemen, I'm talking to somebody else. If I find or hear the individual that has said that about me, I'm going to break your goddamn neck, you son of a bitch. That is dangerous. That is damaging. to myself, to my little daughter, to my father, to my
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