The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 2: Stump The Meech

Episode Date: November 7, 2024

John Amaechi is here to try his best to be soothing or hopeful in the face of some complicated times in America. Amaechi answers questions from Dan and the crew across a wide array of topics after Donald Trump has been elected the next President of the United States. He explains how people were willing to ignore criminality and philandering, why it's too convenient to call supporters "stupid" instead of knowing what they're doing, and why Trump hates the right people for a lot of people. He also tells the crew about his pondering chair and why he ex-patriated from the United States. Plus, it's time for an all-time great game of Stump the Meech. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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No purchase necessary. 21 plus ends November 15th, 2024. See rules at website for participating area and other important details. Sponsored by Diageo Americas, Inc. New York, New York. This is the Don LeBattor Show with the StuGuts Podcast. I tend to turn to this man in need of wisdom in times of trouble, in times of soothing, in times of laughter. I did not find a whole lot of people in America

talking yesterday or the last couple of days in a way that felt in any way authentically soothing or hopeful. I felt a lot of people trying to do that as the UK, a newspaper in the UK had an illustration of the Statue of Liberty holding a gun to her head and the headlines read simply, the end. And look, Amich, that makes him laugh. Look at him. During these troubling times, Amich, he is him laugh. Look at him. Amiche, during these troubling times,

Amiche is laughing at the Statue of Liberty, because it is, it's a good, it's obviously got a lot of doom and dark humor in it, but you like your dark humor. And I am curious what your thoughts are. As you see, you know, it seems like America is in deep and desperate peril. So that's definitely how I felt at about five in the morning.

Yesterday, day before, whenever it was, it's definitely how I felt, peril. But despite the fact that I think it is a searing indictment of any person to align yourself with a serial sexual offender. There is always hope and there are people who want to still create a better world out there. Human dignity didn't die yesterday and people's regard for it didn't dissipate. Some of the pressure against poor behavior has been relieved, and that's going to cause us some problems over the next decade, probably. There's certainly a legislative pressure that many of us feel the idea that things could be made law that would make our lives much harder. But there's always hope. When when the

Pandora's box was opened, lots of nasties came out. And sometimes you just have to dig deep and look in the bottom and there is hope and there will be hope. It felt like a loss for decency though. Wherever it is that you align and we can make it about the economy, we can make it about I'm out of touch. I don't understand what surrounds me

because the money issue is a real one. And I do understand John, anyone who has money problems, who think there are no larger problems than being able to pay for basic necessities and is mad at government because of that. I totally get that as a vantage point. But for that to usurp every other decency, every other decency, John.

Yeah, I mean, I would give I tried to give human beings a little more agency nowadays. because I think I developed what was a rather overly paternal view, this idea that if people made poor decisions, it was because they were stupid, or it was because they'd been misled, or they didn't know any better. And I think it is a much more honest, if slightly disappointing view, to consider that people knew that he was a criminal and a philanderer. And they understood that that was not compatible with their own teachings or life. It's

certainly not something they'd want from their partners. It's not something they want for their children. It most people who have jobs recognize that it's not qualities they want in the people they hire. But, and this is the searing indictment of it, Donald Trump hates all the right people for a lot of people. He behaves in a way, as cartoonish as it is, that almost all of us have wanted to behave at one time or another. When some pompous, officious person has been in our way, we've wanted to just push them out the way and stand at the front because we did this project or we're from the biggest company or we're the biggest person.

And he does that. And there's something on the very base level that's appealing about that. So I'm not surprised. I mean, nobody should be surprised that he won. He is the epitome of how so many of us wish we could operate around people that we might have legitimate grievances against, but what people have forgotten is that that's how he operates around everybody.

This is the man who would call for the murder of innocent people. This is the man who says that not all human beings are even human. This is the person who uses the language of the blood of America being poisoned. So I think when people look at him, his superficial appeal, they kind of give over their conscience into this one man, relieving the pressure that they might feel for voting for somebody they know to be unfit in so many ways, even if he is a financial genius, which I think evidence would suggest he's not. The problem is when you donate your conscience to someone without one, it's consumed by a

black hole. And that is definitionally insatiable. I want to read something to you and I want to paraphrase Von Lathan who has said it is the height of white privilege to think that there is no amount of failing that Donald Trump can do to be considered a Failure no amount of criminal things that he can do to be considered a criminal No amount of rapes to be a rapist no amount of racist things to be Racist that there is no way to knock him down because he is now quite literally above the law now now you cannot even say nobody's above the law he is now literally above the

law this from the New York Times John Donald Trump told Americans exactly what he planned to do he would use military force against his political opponents he would fire thousands of career public servants he would deport millions of immigrants in military-style roundups he would crush the independence of the department of justice use government to push public health conspiracies and abandon america's allies abroad he would turn the government into a tool of his own grievances a way to punish his critics and richly reward his supporters he would be a dictator if only on day one and when asked to give the power to do

all of that the voters said yes this was a conquering of the nation not by force, but with a permission slip. Now America stands on the precipice of an authoritarian style of governance never before seen in its 248 year history. What are your thoughts there, John? Well, it has been seen before, just not by all of the population. So let's get that right. An authoritarian style of governance that restricted the freedom of a few, relatively speaking, while ingratiating the many. That's happened before. That's been the experience of many people before. So I think it's, again, we can either suggest that all of these people are stupid, which

is so convenient for them and for us to do that patronizing thing where they just don't know any better, but they heard his words and they didn't care for the consequences because they thought the consequences didn't come for them. And that to me is an indictment of any person's spirit. It's an indictment of any person's spirit. It's an indictment of any person's ethics. The idea that you know that what someone will do will be monstrous, but because of the target of that monstrosity won't be you, have at it.

And when you know the monster, its hands and teeth still dripping with blood is handing you a morsel. For me, the cost of that is too high. I, Dan, I, I expatriated this year. Did you really? I was born in America. I grew up in England, obviously, but I was born in America.

I've paid taxes in both countries my entire life. And I expatriated this year because I knew this was coming. It came through in July. I am a British citizen only. Now I stand in the long queue. Well, I don't. I've got global entry, but it is. I can't be associated with that.

And I say that knowing that I could end up stateless if I take these principles because my own country, which is equally egregious in so many ways, it's simply our accent makes us sound less monstrous. Meach, what's the process of expatriating? What do you actually do in order to make that so? Oh, it's huge. You've got to. It's a it's hugely expensive. They make it very expensive now.

Yeah, it used to be about 10 years ago when I first looked at it. Maybe a little bit more than that, I first looked at it, it was like, oh, you don't want to be an American, we're the best country in the world, screw you. And it was pretty much a sign and go. And now it's a very expensive process where you have to go and be interviewed by a very specific kind of officer at one of the embassies who asked you questions about why, almost incredulous, why would you want to not be American? And I don't want to be thought of as associated with the Orange Autocrat.

I would be mortified if I thought my money was being used for the legal defense of, I don't know, police officers who were murdering indiscriminately black people. So I don't want that anymore. And I won't have that anymore. I have my own guilt to deal with from this country. But the guilt of one government is quite enough for me. The interviewer, the officer, are they trying to convince you to try to change your mind, or is it just simply trying to get to

the bottom of your renouncing of the citizenship? So technically, their job is to make sure I'm not being coerced, though I'm not being forced into this for some other nefarious reason. But the tone at times feels just like a cartoon episode where the head is tilting and tilting and tilting. It's like, what? What? You're going to give up this? This is a passport to the world.

And especially now as I feel more exposed because Britain's not in the EU anymore, but I just I can't, I can't rationalize, I can't rationalize the connection that I don't need to have when I have to worry about the poor behavior of my own government, even as it's a labor government now, and the poor behavior of my government over the last 10 years. What was the tipping point for you? Like, I don't, it's not a small gesture from you to do all of this and go through this expense.

You're very meticulous about, you've just chosen to announce that you're literally un-American. So explain to me what the tipping point was on that, because you have seen this coming. And while I cannot pretend to be surprised with eight years of warning about what happened yesterday I somehow find myself not surprised and also still shell shocked yeah if both of those things are allowed to coexist and those things

coexist coexisting make me feel weaker make me feel fundamentally like I've got a sickness on me for two days. Yeah. I mean, I watched as the political discourse in America, as we started to, you know, at the beginning of the year, we knew what was going to happen in terms of politics, who was going to be the the candidates it changed obviously later on but I Knew Trump would be the Republican candidate and I watched his behavior and I watched the behavior of his are they fans or are they? believe the technical Fanatics and cultists and worshippers, perhaps is a better word and a more fitting word for what he wants. I watched the behavior of them and then I watched the reporting and I don't know who it was, but I watched one of the American news shows and somebody said, it's amazing to me that we're talking about Kamala Harris and her,

the weakness of certain policies and whatever else, but we're ignoring the fact, I wasn't expecting that image, but we're ignoring the fact that this man doesn't show up. And when he does show up, yes, you, Joe. And when he does show up, the things that he says are so deeply uncivil, unsuitable for a decent person of any standing and certainly unsuitable for a man who would lead an entire nation. That, to me, is incredible. I watched it and I could see how when you make when you normalize that and then create this standard for any other candidate

When you can watch one person who can barely grasp the door of a of a bin lorry of a rubbish Van and what you call them a garbage thing garbage Refuse thing you can't even it's just a damn garbage truck. You're an American elitist. It's just a damn garbage truck. You renounce it. We don't call it garbage. It's rubbish anyway. But he could belly grasp the door of that and nearly fell.

And somehow that's not a commentary. But when Biden stumbled, it's the world. When he walks down a slope at a pace more akin to, you know, my mother, and she's dead, then no commentary. When he said truly awful things, when he said things that were provably going to be terrible for the economy, I realized that he was going to win and it was inevitable and that I would either be a contributor to his government, his policies, or I would not. I left my house in Arizona when they passed SB 1070, state bill 1070, which was the show

your papers bill. I left Arizona. I sold my house when that happened because I wasn't going to live in a state and pay taxes there. Where they were stopping the very people who made that state run. In order to prove some kind of political point. Principles matter, they always have. They continue to matter today, despite the fact that the man at the head of your country has none.

I'm with you on all that. I'm very frustrated by the media coverage, the sane washing, apathy from voters, Joe Biden just deciding to continue to run even though he implied he wouldn't run for a second term. And I also have found that since Tuesday I've been very frustrated reading a lot of the finger pointing and the it's because of this thing, it's because of that thing. I've also like listening to Kamala's speech yesterday was like I can't even listen to this.

I don't have any sort of satisfying outlet for how frustrated I feel. So like how, like what, what can you say in your soothing accent that we love so much that can at least give me something. They're going after Clooney. Nothing's making me feel good. They're going after George Clooney

because he suggested that Biden get out of there. What kind of country do you want? What kind of country do you want? And I don't mean this in the esoteric way. I mean, what are the tenants and principles? What is the experience that you want for the vast majority of people? I consider that picture and I push it out, not because of this next four year cycle, but I push it out into the distance because we all need a runway for strategy. And then I say, if that's what I want in five years time, knowing that I can't control everything, there's a myriad of things, the next Supreme Court appointments, the implementation of

Project 2025, all of these things, none of us can control. But if this is the picture that I want in six years from now, what needs to be true five years? Four, three, two, one. What needs to be true nine months from now? Six, three. What needs to be true next month that I can control and then I commit to control it.

Then I commit to control it. Is it internal stuff, narratives in my head that I need to shift? Is it thinking about, because we live in a capitalist society, where am I going to put my money and where am I not in terms of buying things, investing things? How am I going to show my disapproval? But which allies am I going to join with? Which people am I going to align myself with who have a similar enough vision to mine that together we might make a difference? That's what I do. Six years from now, I know what I want it to look like. I know I want Britain in six years to stop talking about migrants as if we can live without them. I know that I want Britain to stop talking as if those who get lost in the sea,

in their journey for a better life, have somehow done it to themselves. I want a Britain where I can listen from my house to the call to prayer from the East London Mosque and not hear stupid comments about it in the same way that they don't hear them when the bow bells from the local church ring. I know what I want to see in six years' time, and I have extrapolated down almost to the week what I have to do in order to make that happen. I take some days off, but for the most part, my eye is on that prize. Meach, not to make this even more depressing

of a conversation, but the Star Wars Rey movie has lost another screenwriter, this time Steven Knight. Jesus. Yeah, this time Steven Knight. Jesus. Yeah, this is now the third writer who's left. Before it was Damon Lindelof and Justin Britt Gibson. Are they ever gonna get Star Wars right again, or have we lost it forever? Well, here's the opportunity, right?

Here's the opportunity. We can just go back to making Star Wars where there are entire galaxies with people who are blue but none who are black. We can go back to making Star Wars where there are entire galaxies with people who are blue but none who are black. We can go back to making Star Wars where, oh well, there are lots of Jedi, but they're all white men. We could go back to making Star Wars where all the women dress in a way that is really for men. And then everybody, then the Star Wars fans will be happy. The Star Wars fandom is followed. It's a great idea. It's a great idea. Make Star Wars great again. I would run on that platform. Make it great again. Yeah. I'd never watch it again. Yeah, but who cares about you?

I know. You're un-American. You're un-American and Chris Cody, while Amin was asking you that question, was whispering in my ear that is is definitely behind him, John Amici's pondering chair. Where you just look out. He goes into that chair behind him. That's exactly right. Yes! He goes. I can't believe it. That's exactly right.

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I get the spread. This is the Don Lebatardpe Show with the Stugats. I want to talk to you about something that Ethan Strauss wrote, I mean, because I haven't gotten a look at it. I saw that he came after me. I'm a subscriber to his sub stack and he is uh... he's coming after me because of some of the things that i said yesterday i purposely did like a sporting event yesterday when your team loses a just sort of disconnected from

everything didn't want to watch any of the televisions cuz uh... i figured that something or anything that i said would end up getting attacked or weaponized because it's been happening for a while here but I took from the tone and tenor of what I did from this Ethan Strauss article of like oh I see so when I say to people that I feel like Donald Trump is a threat and that their choosing of him as a preference would then be a threat to me what I see happening in the populace very much what you just articulated meach was the idea of all this monster is going to protect me But they're not going to see how obviously this is threatening to others in a way

That's more overt from a politician than I've seen in America before. I've never seen it be quite this brazen, the indecency and the hate that becomes a threat to anyone who's other, and then what backs up behind him becomes complicit because you're not paying attention to what kind of threat this is to other. The whole thing is built on top of a foundation of threat to other. It's how it is he ended up winning.

You can make it about the economy and immigration, but the way he ended up winning you can make it about the economy and Immigration but the way he ended up winning is I'll build walls and I'll get all these people out of here and then somehow My people Hispanics and others think he's not talking about us And I don't know how he thinks how we arrive at the place that we think that we know who he's thinking about when he's talking about mass deportations We think that we know who he's thinking about when he's talking about mass deportations. Well, if you internalize, there's a couple of things here, right? If you internalize Trump's white privilege, then it happens for black people, it happens for Latino, Hispanic people, it happens for lots of different people, right?

You always think I'm, I'm recognizably one of the good ones. And so that doesn't, I don't sell fruit on the side of the streets. I don't day labor. I'm one of the good ones. And anybody would recognize that, not realizing that Trump is the archetype of the kind of person who won't recognize that. But it is an indictment of people. If you look at an individual and you say, well, I know that I'm a Christian and philandering is wrong, it's a sin. I know that I'm a Christian and I believe that sexual

assault is wrong or even frankly a good ethical person, but gas prices. But gas prices. And the thing is I'm privileged. I know I'm privileged. I talk about my privilege all the time. Not more privileged than I am. I get to present as a white man while being the times. I'm not suggesting- Not more privileged than I am. I get to present as a white man while being a minority. But I'm not arguing on behalf of me here. I'm arguing on behalf of who he's a threat to. Like, it's not because I think he's a threat to me. It's because I think he's a threat

to the kind of people I care about and have built a media company around at a time that media is threatened and minorities are threatened. Most people, you're assuming that they don't realize who the targets are. It's because they realize who the targets are that they think they're safe because they don't think that they're one of those people. There's a wonderful woman on the internet, she does these videos where she she strums a ukulele and sings, I never thought the leopards would eat my face. There's going to be a lot of face eating going on in the next few months

and years. Florida experienced it when when your governor started trying to stop undocumented workers from working. They suddenly realized, oh, nothing gets built. Babies don't get taken care of. So much stops functioning. Same thing in Arizona when they tried it 12 years ago or so. But people will see. But don't forget, when consequences come, human beings are incredibly

good, it's called motivated reasoning, of finding a way for the actual cause to be shifted again. So, Britain right now is suffering tremendously. Our GDP is down, our trading is down, everything is hurt from a financial perspective of this country, including exacerbating the cost of living crisis because of Brexit. But even those people suffering the worst who voted for Brexit cannot acknowledge it because acknowledging that decision has hurt them would force them to own that. And it's much easier to say, yeah, it's not really Brexit. It's those six brown people who came in a boat. It's

much easier when you can shift the sin from you into a stereotype. One that is curiously absent is often paradoxical. They both are taking all the benefits and taking all the jobs. This is the nature of human beings and the next four years, I would say a decade, is going to be full of people with motivated reasoning either doing one of two things, lying about how they voted and the decisions that have come about, because I think part of what happened here is there was a bunch of people who told their family, friends, dorm mates, business colleagues that they were voting for Kamala Harris and gleefully voted for Trump instead. And there's going to be other people who will admit that they voted for

Trump and wanted what he stands for, but they'll say that the problems were actually the Democrats got in the way, or international leaders didn't agree, or the weather was bad, or I don't know, satellites, or Musk or something will come and be the problem. It's the nature of human beings. The need to be innocent is deadly for other people. Are you prepared to this?

Meets, you mentioned that folks here, you know, will vote on one issue or a vote on something that only matters to them, but it seems like I can't take more than a five-minute Uber ride by myself without the drivers feeling free to tackle the trans problem. Like, that's the conversation they want to get into. How can we protect trans people from what they're about to experience? We can keep acknowledging our commitment to human dignity. We can keep because the facts

won't help, right? So I'd love to tell you the facts would help the idea that there are, you know, 0.05 or some ridiculously tiny proportion of trans people out there, and of a percentage of all people. And I can tell you that to focus on that tiny number of people tells you that it is propaganda in and of itself. I can tell you that most of the sexual assaults that occur for people in bathrooms or elsewhere of women, whether they be trans women or women, occurs from men, cisgendered straight men, abuse women, that's the predator,

that's who we should be afraid of. And that doesn't matter. That's who we should be afraid of. And that doesn't matter because they are a symbol of wokeness. They're a symbol of what many on the right think is a slippery slope. Well, you know, if men can be women, then cats can be dogs and the world is upside down. And the only thing we can do is tell everybody where we stand. This is what I do. I tell everybody where I stand. I give them what my team call the fence conversation,

where I say this, like, this is the fence, and I'm not on it. Over here is sexism, misogyny, transphobia, homophobia, anti-blackness, racism of any kind, Islamophobia, antisemitism, all the bad stuff is here. And here is the fence and I am not on it. I am here, but I'm not here hoping that one of you will sort out these problems. I am here with fire. That's who I am.

And I tell everybody this. And people don't behave uncivilly around me. And you might think it's because I'm a massive black man, but you know, and black people know that when you're a massive black man, violence is the last thing you can do. It is not the force of my body that holds people. It is the force of my will, because I'm the one. of my body that holds people. It is the force of my will because I'm the one. You're going to blab on about how trans people are responsible for the downfall, drag queens are, you're going to blab on about how black people are all this and fatherless and black on black crime and I'm the one.

I'm going to hold you to account in that moment the very best way I can, because I know that's the role I can play in creating the vision of Britain I have in six years from now. It is exhausting. It's exhausting. One day it may kill me. But this is my commitment to the future I want to see. So everybody, so everybody. One of the things that seems to be under attack is the idea, and I don't know if I'm being reductive here when I say like, I feel like I'm not that controversial. I feel like I'm just pro decency and pro equality and the answer to my wanting to

be pro decency and pro equality is clearly no we're not going to be decent and equal the answers no and i'm wrong in making it that reductive about america i want to get the fun things i want to get the stump the meat i want to get to stump them each, I want to get to an incredibly serious question from the Joker. But do I have this wrong? So we live in a capitalist society, Britain and America both. And so that operates on a zero sum game, this idea that

if somebody else has more, somebody somewhere has to have less. And so what you're experiencing is people thinking, oh my God, if trans people aren't killed in the street for being, you know, unusual, if black people aren't disproportionately targeted by the police, then I will be. The bad stuff that's happening to them currently almost feels like insurance against it happening

to you because of this zero-sum game. And all I would remind people, I would remind everybody watching this, this. You are right. Most things in this world are finite resources, are right. Most things in this world are finite resources, but not everything. And dignity is one of those things that is not a finite resource. Indeed, it is one of the most amazing concepts. It's one of the most amazing gifts in the world, because it's one of the few things that when you grant a person or a group of people dignity, both parties get more. or a group of people, dignity, both parties get more.

That's what I keep in my mind always. It doesn't mean you have to be a sucker. It doesn't mean you have to tolerate abuse from people. But what it does mean is you don't have to look at the world and think, oh my goodness, if these people stop being persecuted, will I be? You can simply decide that the world you want in six years time will not tolerate the persecution of any people on the basis of their identity, any people on the basis of their religious party or the religious affiliation or otherwise.

That's what we can decide. Dignity is not a zero sum game. John, I've seen you refer to Trump as a classic fascist. As someone who is Jewish and grew up going to Hebrew school and learning about the rise of Adolf Hitler, I learned a lot about fascism and the signs of them. And obviously, these things are sort of being repeated in the rhetoric that exists right now. But one of the biggest things that we see when it comes to the rise of fascism in any country is the apathy. The people who are willing to let it happen aren't necessarily motivated by these things

that you've been so eloquently talking about, but who are willing to turn a blind eye because of what was coined in 2016, economic anxiety, or whatever you might have that allows you to turn the other way. Specifically, right now, we've seen Gen Z white men really going toward the right. And my question is sort of,

and obviously aren't right leaning necessarily, but more than you would expect. My question would be is how do we reach those people? Because you can present two quotes from Trump and Hitler and say these are exactly the same factually and be told, no, they're not, you're lying to me. So how do I or you or anyone else reach the group of apathetic folks

to make them hear what it is that we're trying to lay out factually? Yeah, so you're absolutely correct that apathy is indeed, I thought I turned it off my camera doing that. I apologize. I love that it's doing that. I'd like for your answer right now to just keep doing that as you answer his question that way.

Just keep doing that. Let's keep having it go back and forth while addressing, you know, the easiest subject matter. The easiest, simplest subjects in the world. Let's turn that off. I have turned it off now. Good. All right, good. So now this this should be relatively normal. I like that better. I got to be honest, it's more fun the other way. Apathy is indeed a feature. When you look at most of the lists,

the 14 characteristics, the 11 characteristics, the nine characteristics of fascism, apathy of the populace is one of the characteristics that is in there. So how do you reach them? I'm not sure I'm going to be reaching them, certainly not in America. I don't know what I can do otherwise, other than to try to be the anti tate, the anti Trump to be a neutralizing agent, a voice not of not necessarily always a reason, but a voice that you can listen to that you know, cares

about you, where you can see an alternative to the kind of eternal tribal altish care that seeks to induce you and almost sell you something or have you buy something more likely and give people a voice that they can come to that doesn't tell them that everything is going to be fine, and it doesn't tell them that nothing is their fault, but rather that tells them there are solutions if you're willing to do the work, and I am certainly willing to walk with you while that happens. There isn't a simple solution here, but what we do need is more voices elevated in traditional news media, in your kind of news media, that constantly give people a chance without feeling judged,

but to know that there is a different voice, there is a different theory of change for this world, than that there are bad people over there, and it's their fault, and I am innocent and blameless. There's a different theory of change that says, I have agency and choice and I may have made some bad ones. I may have not put in the right kind of effort, but my life is still redeemable and here are

some steps to that. The problem is my approach is not as sexy as telling you if you pay me 30 pounds a month, I can make sure you've got a girlfriend and some two cars. Yes, yes, that's a much better ad campaign than give Jeremy more voice, which no one in America would vote for. That's not true, Dan. People like me sometimes. Let's go ahead and do Stump the Meach here

with John Amici, are you ready? Let's do a palate cleanser here. This isn't even Stugatz. I'm not even gonna tell you who this is or what this is, but please tell me what this person or thing is trying to say. The hemerid. The hemerid.

The hemerid. The hemerid. This is impossible. Well, this is not part of it, right? So I'm not losing immediately. No, you wouldn't lose. It's just a little something to get us started. O-L-I.

The Haemerid. I have no idea what that is. I've got nothing. The Haemerid. It helps that she's talking about American football. Yes, the Hail Mary. Well, but it's also religious. Oh, the Hail Mary.

It's religious. Yeah, he knows what the expression is. I know the expression, but I never would have got that. The hemeri. All right, so an easy one to start. We will now give you the five stugats ones. Look at him. He thinks he's ready.

He is never actually ready. But there has been a time or two that because we failed on our end, he somehow has succeeded because What you've just done there, right there, is exactly what we've just been talking about. I've won. No, you have not won. Not legally and fair. No, I would not. I would not.

No, you stole it. You stole it. Nice job, Trump. Nice, Trump. Yes, it was not done cleanly because, yes, you're black. Let's go ahead and do the first sound from Stugatz. Consisting. Oh, I think I know this one.

Consisting. I think I know this. I think I know it too. Consisting. Let's get his guest first and then Amin and I will guess. I think everyone knows. One more time. Consisting.

Consisting. Consisting. I don't know, considering? I would guess consistent. Consist of, consistent, which is it Chris Cody? Dan is right, it's consistent. Consist of, consistent, which is it Chris Cody? Dan is right, it's consistent. Consist of, consistent, which is it Chris Cody? Dan is right, it's consistent.

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I thought it was embellished, but then I'm like, I don't think that's a word he would ever say. I think that that's him quitting in the middle of Belichick. I guess it compels. I can't get proper names. Oh, I don't know if that's right or not. That's just what I'm guessing. I don't know if it's right.

I don't Chris Cody's got the keys to the kingdom back there. What's John's guess? I don't even know what game Belichick does. Okay, he does the game of football. But you can get... We need a guess, we need a guess from you, a formal submission. One more time.

I don't know, a bell? Take some time to ponder about it. I'm going to give you the full context here. Stu Gotz will tell you what it is. An embellishment penalty. Wow! You had it! You had it!

You had it! No way! It was right there! Oh, that one's got a sting. Oh, you know what? I'm going to give it to him. I'm going to give it to him because he set it to make the game interesting. Decent human being right there.

Well, thank you. I'm pro decency and pro equality. I it to make the game interesting. Decent human being right there. Thank you. I'm pro-decency and pro-equality. I appreciate that. Plus, I did guess it. You did. And you could have just told me, yay, you've got it when I said it. I didn't know.

I don't know what the answers to these are. Chris Cody's got it. Number three here. Chris Cody's trying to screw me over there. I see what's happening here. It's one to one. Let's see what we've got here. Paul.

Paul. Paul. These are not words. They are utterances. These are he's been punched in the sternum and that noise comes out. Six and two threes really. That's true. I'm going to punch to God. Paul. Paul. Paul. Paul. Pause. Pause was his guess. Chris Cody, pause. And here's the answer. We should all toot our horns. Horns? We should all toot our horns. He actually went, like he actually made the sound of a horn. That is terrible.

Someone hit him in the sternum with like a log. That's what it sounded like. Look, look. Paul, Paul. He is now one for three. He's got to get the last two to win. No chance. No chance whatsoever. Let's see what we have here.

Rebuild. Rebuild. Rebuild. Rebuild. Rebuild. I'll offer you a guess if you'd like one. I think it's it might be him trying to start rehabilitate. It's a really good guess. Rebuild. Rebuild. See now that's all I can hear. I was gonna say rebuild. That's a good guess too. How about I give you both of them? Just to see if I'll take rebuild and rehabilitate. All right, let's give them both of them.

Here's the answer. How rehabilitated? Yes. All right. I see this is unsatisfying because. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's unsatisfying. You didn't earn it.

I know you didn't earn it. I didn't earn it. It's rigged. That's because you're a DEI candidate here for this. Oh, you know it? That's right. Yeah, that's unsatisfying earn it. I know you didn't earn it. I didn't earn it. It's rigged That's cuz you're a DEI candidate here for this. Oh, you know it that's why I've got one of those black jobs You know as you know meets the last ones. Oh is super easy. So here's the last yeah, I'm ready for it I'm ready for it cat cat Cat Cat

cat uh they're laughing in the other room whatever Chris Cody offered I told them what it is oh man it's never gonna get this rest your brain me just rest your brain cat this is two words I think I'm intrigued by that also just he's never gonna get it category cat category what's your guess John cat um cat got I don't know all right here's the right answer Italian kids Italian kids Take even chenzo. Let's listen to it one more time Italian kid I mean that's not no there. That's not even it is not fair. No, but I'll take my one and take it as a win. You can't win, you lost.

I know. But I'll still take the one as the victory. Good seeing you, Meach. Always good seeing you. Good to see you. Take care of yourselves, please. Howdy, folks. It's Mike.

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