The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 2: That's All He's Got (feat. Ernie Johnson)

Episode Date: May 27, 2025

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Cuervo. This is the Don Leventor Show with the StuGuts Podcast. Hey, Ernie. Good morning. Roy, how you doing kid? I am hanging in there sir. We are going to get ready in a second. I'm going to start this segment with a billboard. You guys ready in there? Yeah, we've started already and you should just get started with the billboard because I think Ernie's voice there just saying hello to you is something that's a good start that people will recognize Just read the billboard. I will this episode is presented by draft Kings Jack. King's the crown is yours. He called him kid I know I love that We all had the same reactions as Lord just whispered into my ear when he heard Ernie's voice

He said that made me happy it did all of us had the same reaction I wanted to have him on uh... he's never gonna gloat because he says the eagle is as they come in this particular business but he's the one who told you these paces were going to be in this position and there were a whole lot of people saying that so bernie thank you for joining us but what do you make so far of the series and what do you make of stew gots is contention that the nicks

are the better team? Well, it's a lot to unpack. Good morning, guys. How are you? Everything good? Yes, sir. Thank you. Better now.

Good morning, Ernie. With your voice. And we get to cover sports for a living and have the same gratitude you do about that. Yes. I mean, and I'm grateful that we've got this kind of a series as our NBA on TNT swan song, I'll tell you that. It's been fun every step of the way on this one. And I don't know, Stu Gotts, if New York's a better team.

I mean, they were a whisper away from being down 3-0. So I just think there are two very evenly matched teams and every game's coming down to clutch time, five or less than five minutes to go. And so what more can you want? And so I've been enjoying this like crazy. I don't know what happened actually, Dan, that day that you said, okay, if there is a dark horse, look, I'll admit I did not come on

your show last time and say, oh, by the way, the Indiana Pacers, you said, hey, if you had to pick a dark horse out of this bunch, and I said, let's go Indiana and and now you've been texting me after every time They win with just one words as Pacers with two exclamation points I try to think of something witty to come back at you with And but it is it's been it's been pretty amazing To what that's so you right there You got it totally right and everyone in sports media except you would be taking a victory lap. You are sitting here saying, ah, I didn't get it that right.

No, I didn't. I was pressed. And I've learned from talking to you that I better come up with an answer. And so it wasn't like I was going to say, oh, there are a lot of good teams. I couldn't possibly pick a dark horse. But I hit this one, okay? I got this one right. Ernie, the Knicks could easily be up two one. Plus Dan has math friends and they say that they should be up two to games to one. Well, Ernie, I will ask you this question

as a basketball expert because I have talked to friends who know math and they say if Halliburton took that shot 10,000 times and tried to get the ball to bounce that high and then land uh... through the net that way without touching the rim that he would be able to do that zero out of the next ten thousand times the ball bouncing over the shot clock and then swishing through the net it almost hit us and we're in and at the garden we are in the

very rafters. I reached out and thought it was like a foul ball. Hey I'm gonna get a souvenir. No it was an amazing moment those things you know we're just when they happen you don't believe what you just saw. And so sure, I mean, the Knicks blew a huge lead in that game, shouldn't want to, hey, game three, Rick Carlisle has lost three games in his career when he had a 20-point lead at home. And so he's like 250 and 3 in that situation. So I mean, when it gets to this point, you can always look and say, you know, if we had done this and we had done this, we should be up to one.

We should be up three. Oh, that's part of that's part of playoff basketball. So, yeah, your friends who think the Knicks could be up to one. Yeah, they're right. They really are. But you could also say, hey, you know what? Pacers should be up three.0. So there you go. Ernie, how big an adjustment do you think it is for Carlisle after losing Game 3 to bring back John Halliburton? Desperate. Such a huge, such a huge story. The fact that he will be in the arena. No, I'm look,... Look, what I think... You know, when Chuck brought it up the other night and he talked about it, said,

hey, the guy's done his time, let him, you know, watch a home game. And I think being in his home arena and being somewhere not on the floor, that's fine. You know, what he did was wrong, but I certainly wouldn't say, hey, let him go to the garden too and watch from a courtside seat. No, that would not be a good idea, but I think being at home and where the Pacers take care of him and put him in a suite and let him watch his son play, I'm okay with that. Ernie, how much of a punishment though is it that he's not allowed to sit courtside,

but they're going to put him in a suite? It's absolutely, you know, that's very difficult. It's very difficult watching a game from a suite. But look, he missed the last round. He sat out the entire round when they beat the Cleveland Cavaliers, couldn't go to any games. So let's just move on and that would be my stance. Couple fist bumps from the Turner exec saying,

man, thank God we got the East this year. Woo hoo hoo, that would have been rough to go to KC. No, this is, again, as I said when we came on, this is a great way for us to go out, because it's been a time of mixed emotions. And so, yeah, to have a series which every game, and I said it at half time of game one, I said, look, if we get seven games like this, this would be tremendous. And now, and when you say that, you never think, oh yeah, well, we all have a clunker here and there, but we haven't.

And so, it's been great. And I was actually happy to see a competitive game in that OKC series, because that's been... I've been on that side before. We've had those where, you know, you're doing the postgame show, and it's like, okay, so why did they win by 25? And so? Or why did they win by 42? What else do we want to talk about? Then you run out of things to say. But in this case, so much has happened in every game that our postgame show has been dynamite. There's been so much to talk about and the guys are picking apart plays. That's what you love. So we don't root for anybody

We just want competitive compelling games where we have a lot to talk about when the games over Let me ask you this though when you say of this particular show run out of things to say I would have made the argument before right now that you guys are better when There isn't something to talk about than when there is, especially since I've seen the analysis of Shaq and Barclay skew older with the evolution of the game. Do you think I have that wrong? No, I think, I think the point that I'm making is that we have actual basketball to talk

about. And maybe that disappoints the fan who to student, you know is tuning in to see what these clowns are gonna do tonight, but I'm just thinking I'm saying from a basketball perspective. It gives us a lot to chew on it talks You know, we're able to talk. What was his strategy here? Why did he do this? Why did they change a starting lineup? What you know? What was his strategy here? Why did he do this? Why did they change a starting lineup? What you know? Why did the Pacers only have two fast break points in the second half after 14 in the first half? What did they do and I think basketball wise in a playoff setting? It's great to have basketball to talk about Rather than searching for something or hoping that somebody you know does something

silly that we just Ride for a couple of seconds. But you would say that if you could predict it, and I know that a lot of improv and ad lib goes on with live television. If I could predict it like the Pacers. No, not that well, but if you could say before a show, I'm gonna give you a lot to talk about

or I'm gonna give this crew of people not a lot to talk about, which'm going to give this crew of people not a lot to talk about which is likely to make the most entertaining show not informative or sports heavy do you just more likely to produce an entertaining show what would be your answer to that uh... i think uh... it would be a mix of the two but i because i think it's when it's uh... and the thing about doing the series is almost almost like you get a little repetitive from time to time and it's the thing about doing these series is almost like you get a little repetitive from time to time

and it's like, okay, they still lead in points in the paint and they still lead in fast break points and these guys need to do a better job on the boards and it can get a little repetitive. But I would agree with you that when you have to not create, but when you're kind of looking for something to say let's spice things up a little bit or let's let's get something something for folks to laugh about. Yeah that the thing about our show is you never know. I mean it's so organic that you don't know if Shaq's going to come up with something that's so totally off the wall that we're just going to keep riding them. Or the other night when Chuck could not pronounce Nikhil Alexander Walker's name.

And then Nikhil Alexander Walker gets asked about that in a media availability. So we love stuff like that. But we have to also keep in mind that we're here to break down playoff basketball. This is what we build all year tour. So the better the games are and the more hoop we can talk, the better. Do you think that you will or won't be emotional the last broadcast?

I'm actually trying not to think about that because I think the potential is there. Because there just been times this season where it hits you and you think about, wow, nobody's ever going to say the NBA on TNT again. And after 35 years of, you know, this relationship having an end is, it does get emotional. And I think we're not going to be over the top, but we're certainly going to have some folks to thank. And I haven't really thought about what I'm going to say that last night. And so it's not like you want to prepare something.

I think we'll all have something to say. But I think we also realize that for the four of us, it would really be weird, Dan, if this were the end of us together. And it's not going to be because the show is going to continue just on another network on an ABC-ESPN kind of combo. on another network on an ABC ESPN kind of combo. But it's and we're going to have the same like the same folks we see, you know, running camera and producing the show. That's going to be the same. It's just going to run at a different place.

But if this were the end of the four of us together, then then I'd want this series to go like 29 games. You have said before that this is as close as you will ever come to having brothers, that you love these people for real, that it's not a throwaway line. And you've been very careful about how it is that you've talked publicly about the business parts of this relationship, but I have said, Ernie, that I believe that

Charles Barkley is presently in a position to be the most coveted lucrative free agent in the history of sports broadcasting if he actually wanted to exert his power over everything happening here do you agree or disagree with that assessment we was the biggest free agent when he signed with us the first time you know that's twenty something years ago because when he when he was with us, the first time. You know, that's 20-something years ago. Because when he was out there and available and it looked like he was going to go to NBC,

it was like, wow, good for NBC. That's really nice. And then he has this change of heart after dinner and drinks with the executives at TNT, and he's like, I'm going to go to them. And so, you know, obviously, obviously he'd be the, he was then and he would be now. But I think there's a bond that we share, the four of us, that's stronger than that. And I think that's why we're gonna be together again next year. Ernie, if the series did go 29 games, who do you think wins? Well, I would say that. I mean, best two words in sports, game 29. Yeah, exactly.

I mean, I think your friends would be saying, hey, you know what, we really could be up 25-2 in this one. I'm tied 14-0. I want to know Ernie why it is with the evolution of basketball as we've talked about LeBron and Steph all season we do storylines how difficult is it to explain to the American public that defense is about to win the championship and instead of face of the league stuff what you're gonna have to do even though they're gonna make it about shaggy oldest alexander the team that won the title is the one that per game had the fewest turnovers and created the most turnovers it's not that it's not as exciting as just saying

anthony edwards is the new face of the league but okc has been better than everybody for those reasons since the start of the season. Oh yeah, all season long they've been that and that's been their calling card. We're not going to turn it over, we're going to make you do it, and we're going to take advantage of all those opportunities. And they, look, they play a very exciting brand of ball to me. It's not like you're watching a team that's going to win games 83 to 81, you know, 1985 style. This is a team that gets up and down, has a dynamic player in SGA, and another rising superstar in Jalen Williams,

and a very thin guy who can really play in Chet Holmgren. So it's, and they have my doppelganger Alex Carusouso who causes havoc all over the floor. And we refer to him as my son, by the way, and he knows that we've talked about a terrible, a terrible insult, not the son part, but your doppelganger to a professional athlete. Also pesky. Exactly. Or I'm his I'm his doppelganger. But it's like the other night he had a big game and we had him on we had him on the show and I said,

hey, that was very impressive, I'm raising your allowance. But I think, no, this is a really good team. And again, when you hear, hey, defense carries them, there we are. When defense carries them, it's not like, oh man, you're going to see this is going to be a pitchers duel. It's going to be nothing, nothing going to the ninth. They can score and they just create havoc. And it's kind of like those Louisville teams in college basketball or the Arkansas teams that that would pressure all over the floor and pick you up. But then and see, if it's if it's Indiana, Indiana likes to play that way, too. Kenny Atkinson said it.

He said they're like a college team. You know, you're inbound on the ball and they're pressuring you. So that is that's what's made Indiana as fun to watch, I think, as they have been. It's because they never stop, and it's up and down the floor. So I wouldn't get carried away saying, hey, this is a team that hangs its head on defense. They're not fun to watch. OKC is. Ernie, if it's an OKC-Indiana final, though, is that a tough national sell, do you think, in terms of TV ratings?

Because a lot of people just look at two smaller markets, two teams that don't have a real pedigree of championships. Yeah, it might be. I mean, Greg, you're probably right. That's probably, you know, in the TV executive's view, probably not the most attractive matchup of all time. But it's certainly one that we've seen coming on the OKC side. Everybody expects and say, hey, are they ready to take that next step and be in the finals.

Indiana has been the surprise. And so, look, I don't worry about that stuff. Is it a tough sell? I know basketball fans want to watch. You know, you're not going to watch all year just to turn it off when the finals start because it's not a New York team or it's not an LA team. You're a basketball fan, you're going to watch. But if you're on the fringe, that might be, you know, might be a little tough. I have a curiosity here is the last question that I need to ask Tony about because Ernie

Johnson is the rarest of things in sports broadcasting. I don't believe anybody listening to this could come up with something he has said or done in the entirety of his career that a sports fan would say, I'm disgusted with Ernie Johnson, he did this or he said that. But Tony in the other room showed profound disgust while Ernie was talking and I need to know what it was about because Ernie said something that really bothered you. What was it? Ernie and it's no and it's no offense to you Ernie was talking, and I need to know what it was about, because Ernie said something that really bothered you, what was it? Ernie, and it's no offense to you, Ernie, you said something that really struck with me, which is Indiana's like a college team,

and I think that's what I hate about them, right? I love watching college basketball during March Madness for the Madness, but if you're gonna bring me a college basketball team that's gonna pick up 94 feet from the hoop, TJ McConnell's gonna be there slapping the floor, playing defense, doing these moves, and then getting the little jumper that he does at 12 feet where he does a hop step and it's like everything is perfectly done. Everything

is great. He's always in the right spot. He's always doing the right thing. I hate that. I don't like that. Give me stuff that's crazy. I don't want to see the perfection of TJ McConnell. I want to see what's going on in OKC. I want to see what's going on in Minnesota, in New York. Please, God, get the New York Knicks to the NBA Finals. I feel great shame for having quoted Kenny Atkinson's description of the Indiana Plains. It struck with all of us.

It's not you. I said no offense, respectfully. And believe me, Tony, none taken at all. I mean, I was throwing a quote out there that I had read the other day from Kenny Atkinson. But what's your issue with TJ McConnell? He's always so perfect. And Ernie, like he's the best basketball player ever. He just always does the right thing. And it's like, I'm tired of that. I don't want him to do the right thing all the time. tire that. I don't want him to do the right thing all the time. Okay. All right. Well, yeah, I wish I had an answer to that, but I haven't. We've made him speechless. He's a known jerk. He's Ernie Johnson. He says they talk about Tony that upset people. You did say respectfully Ernie. Good seeing you. Thank you

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TommyJohn.com slash Dan with promo code Dan. Save 25% at TommyJohn.com slash Dan. Don LeBretard. This guy comes in as the next Wayne Gretzky. His nicknames include the Chosen One and McJesus. Okay? He's a great player, he scores a lot of goals, he scores a ton of assists, but it hasn't translated to making Edmonton a powerhouse in the league. They're in the final.

Stugats. What's your nickname for him? McOverrated. This is the Don LeVatar Show with the StuGuts. wore all that green because his last name is Green. I think that's why he did that. Is he still there? I don't know if that's why he wore green. Every time they do it, hey, that's money green. When I wear green, it's just like, no, this just happens to be green.

Ernie, you agree he leaves the NBA in irrational confidence, right? Put Draymond on the Wizards, and he's no longer in the NBA. Oh my god. You just couldn't help yourself. What happened there? confidence right like put raymond on the wizards and he's no longer in the nba almost no you just couldn't help yourself what happened you just couldn't you just couldn't help yourself you just couldn't

please mute his mic put him on mute for a moment but i'm right thank you guys thank you ernie i wish if i wish spiritual, decent man, Ernie Johnson, had said, Stugac, you're always an asshole, and just said goodbye and got named. Like, honestly, it's so disrespectful

about how good Draymond Green is at a thing. I mean, do it without stuff. Do what, play great defense? You should have turned it around. Or are you dressed like a dick because of your last name. He had to have worn all of the green because his name is Draymond Green. Why would anyone go into their closet

and select a bunch of green? I think this is an overthink. Green's a nice color. It's one of the available colors. It is. It may be an overthink. I'm glad you guys were so spirited in your rebuttal to that can't be why Draymond Green would do that.

Look, there were only two options for us to go. I'm staunchly, very staunchly. Ernie, was it an overthink? You are still there and since you're still there. Hey, Dan. Responding to what you just said, I would like to address Stu Gotts. Uh oh. Okay. Stu Gotts, you are always a pleasure to talk to. No! Oh no!

Thank you, EJ! You were always dressed like a wiener. Get out of here. That's what I'm worried about. What a jerk this Ernie Johnson is. Always a jerk. My guy. Will never be anything but a jerk

Everyone knows him to be a jerk. He will have that reputation eternally I hope he continues to just sit there and continue to chime in the Time in on Dan. I see that his bed has the tuck on the bottom Ernie. You're a tuck on the bottom guy You don't ask him to untuck it from you. The place I'm staying is a tuck at the bottom place, I guess. I haven't touched that. It's always weird when you're doing this from a hotel room because you never know what's in the background. This looks pretty safe.

Hey Ernie, could you refer to me as Kid like you did for Roy? Happy to do it, Kid. Thank you. Ernie is there such a thing as a quiet 39 points the way Carlisle said Siakam had a quiet 39 the other night? Yeah it wasn't it wasn't really quiet but no it's interesting I mean no it wasn't it wasn't quiet it was loud and clear just to just ask whose friends See you later Ernie. We have Bring out on a suit you got a lot of shoes you had some jumpman Jacks the other day It's your favorite shoe to put on a suit Oh Levin's attaboy There you go. Oh and shout out to shout out my buddy Tony Bolier

Who's an assistant coach for Butler Bulldogs for the swag he gave me at breakfast yesterday. And that's all I've got. I did, I had blocked out three hours, but I guess apparently we're almost done. See you later. I expect to hear you about nine minutes from now. I expect you to just pop up without, without. Oh wait, I actually have a question.

Yeah, go ahead, go ahead. About 11 years ago, were you also like, that's probably one too many Franklin and Bash promos. Ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha! You had to be thinking it. Really, again with the Franklin and Bash. Ernie?

We lost. See you later, Ernie. Good talking to you. But do you believe that Richard Jefferson was right the other night after game two before game? You keep saying we're done and then you keep throwing things. What about Rizzoli and Isles? Were you like, is this a spinoff? Is this a different firm?

Surely I can't be promoting it as much. Is Richard Jefferson allowed to say before game three of OKC Minnesota, both teams are literally playing for their lives? I didn't realize the stakes were that high. I know playoffs are important. But if we get to that point, that's gonna be gladiator kind of stuff. Over, under, 10,000 times you've woken up and your TV has been on Charmed.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Under, under. It's supernatural now.

Yes. See you later, Ernie. I look forward again to hearing from you in 10 minutes I wanted to ask you guys something based on waking up Mike mentioned this the other day I have not seen this before but I largely now live a life that doesn't very often have TV commercials in it So I may be woefullyfully often what it is that i'm presenting to you right now but the other day

for the first time in my life watching television i saw a commercial for starbucks have you guys at the again i'm just a guys saw it as well i was surprised i i i i i love the commercial business so So for all I know, Starbucks has been advertising

with commercials for many years, but I had never seen Starbucks advertise or need to advertise because they've got this great business where they can rip you off for $8 of beans in your cup. And that's just asinine to be able to do that. So why do they need to advertise anything ever? Am I wrong on this? Do you guys know if Starbucks is new to advertising? I've got commercial blindness. You need to have a jingle. You need to say what a pro wants like a bunch of times for me to be like, what is this? Because I just go straight to the phone during commercials. No, they have commercials, but I think of them as seasonal ads, like right around- Like a special drink?

Right around the holidays still, because I can picture the cup with, you know, garland on it or whatever the Christmas-y kind of thing is. So I have seen their ads. I've seen the ads, but they're trying to do this thing where it's like, hey, we're Starbucks, we're on every single corner, we're the biggest monopoly in coffee, but this is like a cool art house vibe. You can come over and do your work and you can get extra coffee for free if you hang out here. So it's like trying to be small time, but we know that you're this monolith of coffee and why are you trying to play this game with us? Yeah, I remember them doing a ASMR commercial. I'm like, what is this?

I'm sick of this ASMR stuff. Like, can we please stop? But the most related one is at the end of the commercial, it just says, the Starbucks coffee company. Like, we know who you are. Thank you. Did Tony use monolith there correctly? Of course I did. I don't think that they're a monopoly or a monolith

because I think beans are very competitive. It's a thing you say. Dunkin' has commercials. Jordan was on one of them. I don't think that monolith is what you meant there. I don't think. Did you look that up? I haven't yet, No, I have not.

There's times where you say that I don't say something right and then you look it up and then I say it right and you're like, oh, I should have listened to him. That's a monorail, Stu Gottz. That's a different thing. Monolith, monorail. Starbucks has run over 8,000 commercials in the past 30 days alone.

No, it's jarring. I don't, it's the most commercials they've run in a 30 day period in their entire history. Like, I'm with you. I was shocked to see it. You want coffee? That's the place you go, right? Or Dunkin'.

Again, the monolith being a powerful, unified, and often inflexible organization. Monolith of coffee. What are there more of at LeBretard Show, Starbucks or CVSs? At Lebatard Show, if you had to choose, there's probably an answer to this question. Odd question, I think CVS.

I love a CVS. Well, so do I. Apples and oranges, right? Yeah, generally. Coffee and drug stores? Two different addictions, drugs and beans. I mean, not everybody's addicted to drugs. CVS is something, when I just think of something that there are too many of, and by the way,

Budavida is headed for this right now because I've seen them popping up all over the place in a way that's just- Don't get me started with Budavida, do not get me started. So expensive, but the food is fresher than anywhere else. Sure it's fresher, but give me a break. Starbucks has over 40,000 stores,

CVS has over 4,000 stores. So it's a lot more. Yeah. Really? Yeah. Really? But also down here there's a big congestion because they acquired the Eckerds brand. Navarro too. Love the Eckerds. Yes. There was a, there was also a deal between Eckerds and Publix,

which is why you'll see a CVS right next to a Publix most times down here, because they were, there was like some kind of ownership thing. Plus CVS inside the targets. Yeah. There was always like an Eckerd next to a Publix most times down here. Because there was some kind of ownership thing. Plus a CVS inside the Targets, too. Yeah, there was always like an Eckerd next to a Publix. Never knew that. When you say never knew that, I don't know if you guys have seen the deterioration of the Untold series on Netflix.

It started as something during a period of documentary atrophying. I told you, Stugats, at the start of the show today that we won a sports Emmy for a documentary. The documentary business is being ravaged by, and the movie business in general, is being ravaged by everything that's happening in Hollywood, in AI, in Amazon, Netflix, and Apple,

and a handful of others are doing all of the work. And what's happening in that transaction is as you get these giant corporations making things, and they have to be careful about an assortment of things, things are being made less well, and access is being traded for the content being diluted so that when you check out HBO Max and the documentary on Tiger Woods doesn't have his participation, it's a much better documentary than it would be if it had his participation

because by not having the access they don't have to be that respectful in the trades that they make in exchange for that access. The untold series that I thought was gonna make a good documentary because they didn't have access was untold when they got a hold of the Brett Favre story. But man, did they do a shitty job with that. They spent the entire time on Jen Sturger. Instead of, he ripped off the poorest state in the country, allegedly. did they do a shitty job with that they spent the entire time on jen sturger instead of he ripped off the poorest state in the country allegedly really they spent so much time

on a dick pic story but this bank the first fifty minutes on let's do jen sturgers story instead of ripped off poor people and it was like and you do and and it'll be hugely popular yet tell me about the dick pic it's much it tell me about the salacious thing that's not nearly as damaging or

interesting as the thing that's actually the most awful even though the first thing is not uh... it's not terror is not terribly good either obviously comparison it's not a subject well terms of what you're interested in i mean i thought i thought there were It's not terribly good either, obviously. In comparison, it's not as bad. It's subjective, too. Well, they're pandering. In terms of what you're interested in. I mean, I thought there were plenty of details in that. The fact that they had never met to this day

is pretty fascinating, and Jen Sturger hasn't been super public about that stuff, so you almost can't talk about the fall from grace without the original sin of Brett Favre. So I understand why they dedicated so much time to it, and also, Sturger's of Brett Favre. So I understand why they dedicated so much time to it and also Sturges available whereas Favre isn't. I'm not saying that I don't understand why the decision was made.

And furthermore, if your desire is only clicks and interest, which maybe that's what it should be when making a movie, surely I'll get more people in the tent talking about the simplicity of hero sends unwanted dick pic, but 40 minutes of that when the other crime that he has is the crime that does more damage to more people. And again, I'm not trying to minimize what it is that happened to Jen Sturger, but that story has been told.

Like you can say, yes, that was the one interesting detail that I had not gotten, which is she's never met Brett Favre. I also had another thought, weird, though it was, I really don't understand why, given its spelling, we still pronounce Favre that way. That, like. Bin Stiller over here? Mm-hmm.

Doesn't make sense, it never makes sense. It's like a theater thing. Favre. It's like a theater, theater situation. It's still, but it still doesn't make sense to me. Center, centra, It's the same thing. When I explain it to you, like, it's Favre, Favre, it's just like Center in theater.

It's Monolith. I haven't... Brett Favre. Said that already. But he hadn't said it by banging his computer against his microphone. It was for emphasis. Yes. Also, part of it, all this stuff is still pending with Brett Favre and what happened in Mississippi.

So I imagine they probably talked about it and really wanted to make that as interesting as possible, especially for Dan. They're like, Dan's gonna give us a hard time about this. We should try to do more. He's not privy to these conversations. Production is very hard sometimes. But the R should be in front of the V.

I don't have a lot of words, and again, this might be my ignorance, where the V is before the R, and I'm pronouncing the R before the V. Crazy. Silent V. I mean, you're cherry picking the V here. There's plenty of examples of the R after the E with the er sound. The thing that I don't believe,

and I understand what it is that you're saying because the second crime, allegedly, is less interesting than the first if what you're looking for is entertainment value. But whether it's pending or not, you cannot tell me, can't tell me that giving the first 45 minutes of the movie over to the first thing and the last nine minutes of the movie to the second thing is anything other than a grab for whatever it is you can get with eyeballs

because of a penis photo from 20 years ago. But is that surprising though that they're going for what's salacious more than what's more dense and difficult to unpack? They're going for the masses. Right. Yes, and what's interesting to the masses? Isn't the surprising part though when they're done putting the film together and they show it to whoever

they gotta show it to and that person's like, yeah, it's good, let's release it. Like that part would be surprising to me where it's just the final nine minutes of the part that I think most people would watch it expecting to learn about. But it's hard to do well, right? And it's what I'm talking about,

my expectations for how that series began versus what it is that it's actually become and how it is that all of it gets cheapened in the process of what it is that we're doing if you allow the corporations to always make the decisions that are just about getting the clicks. It's how the poor in Mississippi get bleeped again

by the idea of, oh, they didn't wanna cover this part of it well, because it's too hard to cover well. So let's just go talk to Jen Sturger about something here and frame it as untold, even though I'm telling you, when I saw the McNair story, it had all been told. Like you're not surprising me anymore with some of the stuff that you're making, even though I wanted so much for that series

to be enduringly great because the first six of those, each one of them was a banger and they were doing difficult things well. They weren't doing difficult things easily, like let's do the University of Florida's story and avoid all of the stuff, avoid all of the stuff in exchange for access that people wanna hear about

because it doesn't matter whether we actually give them the stuff that they wanna watch or hear about, as long as we just do the big, look, we just want a sports documentary. We just want a sports Emmy because we just told a sports story. So it's not like I don't understand how it is that this is happening across the landscape, I just like for the ability for everyone to make things that are harder to make. Fervor, that's French in origin, but when we decided to Americanize it, we switched

where the letters are. You can't do that with a last name, I mean I guess you origin, but when we decided to Americanize it, we switched where the letters are. You can't do that with a last name. I mean, I guess you can, but it's less common to do that with a last name. We've done that here in America. Change words so they make more sense to us. There are only five stores that have 25,000 plus locations in the United States. Name them. This is good information here.

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is one on every corner. No, with over sixty thousand locations. Seven eleven.