The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 2: The 1991 Wheaties Box (feat. David Stassen)

Episode Date: April 30, 2025

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I was just going to go to the Shakira story that he so badly wants to tell anybody, but he's not here, so we're not going to be able to do that. That's unfortunate. Zaslow has created some tensions around here and what are you shrugging your shoulders about? I mean it is what it is I'm just living my life. Who's he created tensions with? Well you have some stuff with him. I don't have anything with him, I like him. Okay that's been alleged and I would say that Greg Cody has some problems with him and I would also say that Cody has some problems with him and I would also say that now the audience journalistic beef the audience also has

some problems with Zaslow because earlier in the show David Sampson was on with us and Zaslow said one thing to his face and I alleged that he had said something about Sampson being a swindler and Zaslow said we would not be able to find the sound and then I was a lonely Kentucky fraud chicken because nobody believed me and I've been told we have found a sound and so now I just want to get the nature of the dispute out in front of people because Zaslow has said he never said what we accused him of saying so Chris Cody what is the sound that has been found by our researcher?

We have a sound that is from the end of March. Ah sound? We have a sound from the end of March, and you're gonna hear the first 35 seconds here and think it's today's show because he goes into the thing of like my son, I'm impressed that I'm on, I'm telling you, I wanna overlap today's show

because I didn't believe it was an old show. He's a radio professional and you could have heard all of these thoughts on the starting point with Brian Scalabrini and Frank Isola yesterday because he can do things on repeat. He's a good radio person He's a rising star at ESPN radio starting lineup. That's a fine. What did I say? He said starting point so you're going to hear a What did I say? You said starting point. So you're going to hear a 50 second clip here. And 45 seconds in, I think we're gonna get the quote you won.

All right, well hold on a second. So let's just make the allegation clear. I am saying that when Zaslow talked with David Sampson, whose company he has enjoyed, it is without David Sampson having the knowledge that Zaslow has called him a swindler in the past. And Zaslow is claiming he's never done that.

I don't think it's true. Okay, so he's saying it's not in any way true, but when introducing your son to our audience and your son's feelings about David Sampson because of what he's done to the Marlins, you put a framing on it that was positive as if you've never said anything bad about David Sampson. But what you actually told your son, I think, is that he's a swindler who built the Marlins in Miami for millions. I'm going to ask you, in this clip that you're playing here, am I telling my son why people don't like him or am I saying why I don't like him? Your son's appraisal of David Sampson

is that he's a swindler and a liar based on what his father has told him. Alright, I'd like to hear this. My son's at an age at 16 where his friends, they're all on social media, and his friends say, hey, look at this clip, it's your dad on the lebatard show you know the other day and okay You know my son's not that impressed with it, but he then sees he looks at the comments You know and my son said goes I tell you the comments people people really liked you and I go It's just it'll even out all right. Don't worry about that, and then he says I'll tell you who they don't like I'm like Oh, okay, who he goes that Samson guy and

That's why I laughed and he doesn't know who he is though I said you know who David Samson is like he thinks he's just a personality on your show And I guess that makes sense if you're 16 and David Samson hasn't been the president of the Marlins in what seven years That like it makes sense like yeah He was a president of Marlins. He swindled the city and got the stadium like, you know, everybody hates them. They're cheap. Whatever But he those were the cliff nodes. Yeah That's it that's what you lead with right two billion dollars FU Yeah, so he has been introduced to David, you know, they don't like that Samson. He swindled the city

He has been introduced to David. You know what they don't like that Samson. He swindled the city So again, that's not me saying that that's why people don't like him because they believe he swindled the city You said it I'm giving him the reason why people don't like him. I don't believe that Zazz is just the messenger. Why are you guys blaming the message? Why do they hate him? Well, because they think this that doesn't mean I think it He didn't say it's because he swindled the city. He said it's because they think he swindled the city Yeah I'm with jazz here. What's this witch hunt? We're doing The boost mobile phone line is a subject of a great ridicule by me It has slightly improved. It is still not yet good.

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This is Alec Conkliglian. Best place to fart in public. Disney World by far. Hey, this is Ben on a bicycle phone. You know, they say when people are hesitating they hem and haw. Can you hem without hawing? Can you haw without hemming? I'll hang up and listen. Hey, this is Tate from Nashville. In honor of a draft, I've got a limited fake Sean Connery scouting Travis Hunter.

He's playing both sides. Hey, this is Steve in Pittsburgh. My boldest take is that a spoon and a knife are the only utensils that you need. A spoon can do everything that a fork can, but a fork can't do anything that a spoon can. Thanks, I'll hang up and listen. This is AJ from Indianapolis,

and this is my limited fake Dan LeBataar. No, no! I can't believe you took Duncan over Hibbert! That's a good badge. I'm telling you. I'm telling you, Dan. You've been took Duncan over Hibbert. That's a good badge. I'm telling you. I'm telling you, Dad. You've been trying to hate on this thing. That's a good badge.

You should be able to bring in it. Forks are overrated. The sharp cheddar guy, he's onto something. First of all, to the spoon versus fork guy, that's my dad. My dad is like, why do you need a fork? For real. Everything, he just, spoons all the time. I'm like, I want a fork.

Maybe pancakes you need a fork for, but like most things you can get away with a spoon Pasta put it on the pole at LeBittard show. Can you get away with never using a fork your entire life? Best place to fart is Disneyland or Disney World because Chris airplane no no no That's the worst Monster no one here you like you go for days The point is you do that Disney lurk what tube stuck with people from loves their own brand But what about everyone else is brand I like to see the look of other people like

Then you give them a look like I smell to your risk you do it at Disneyland when you're in line Because no one will blame an adult. We'll just assume it's one of these little turds here. That's true, a lot of kids to blame. I think there's a difference that you can smell the difference, do I have this wrong, between adult farts and child farts? Do I have this wrong?

Yes, you do. I need to introduce you to my children. Yeah, change diaper. I'd really rather not be. Dude, children are so foul, it's disgusting. I don't wanna take it to toilet humor, but my child clogged the toilet so bad, when I looked inside, I thought it was an alligator. I thought it was the snout of an alligator coming out.

I was like, how? There's no way you actually thought it was an alligator. Dude, I'm telling you, the shape and the size, the sheer size, that was not a log, that was something. Thought of texting Ron. Absolutely, I pulled my phone out. No, I think Chris is right. I wanna know for how long you thought of it.

You thought to yourself, is this an alligator? I walked in. I said, what's going on? I was like, oh, toilet won't flush. I'm like, what's wrong? And I looked inside and I saw, kind of like the snout, you know how in the movies they come out the water? And I looked inside and I saw, like, kind of like, the snout, you know how, like, in the movies

that come out the water like this? That's what I saw staring back at me, like, ah! And then I looked at you, like, oh no, no, no. David Stosson joins us now. I can't imagine how he's been absorbing this, okay? This is one of Hollywood's great showrunners. You've got two movies on his resume that Zaslow loves, two of them,

Central Intelligence and Blockers, the Mindy Project is wildly popular and he's now got a series on Netflix. What are you laughing about, Billy? Well, which one surprised you there? Was it Central Intelligence or Blockers? Because you seemed surprised when we said like two of your movies.

No, yeah, he did seem surprised that Zaslow was such a big fan of both of those movies. Why were you surprised? And what did you make of the conversation that you walked in on where one of Amin's children had clogged the toilet so badly that Amin, his father, thought it was an alligator in the toilet. Yeah, I mean, that's the classic comedian's worst nightmare is to come in after a great bit. And I feel like I came in after an amazing story. Yeah, well done.

No, you know, as a writer, I'm just surprised anyone ever knows anything about me. So I was just cool to hear those movies I worked on. Zaslow, you want to tell the man, I am more interested in the gutter parts of your story that involve working on the Jim Rhoam show and Pardon the Interruption. But Zaslow has questions about your actual success. Yeah, I love those movies so much. So let's start with Blockers though. Blockers, it's one of the funniest movies I've ever seen, but it is filthy raunchy. So what's the age where you should not be watching with your teenage

son? Howard- he's got two sons how old are your sons? Ryan- 16 and 13 and my wife and I who love this movie we showed it we watched it with our son probably when he was 14 is that true? Howard- I think you're good at 14 I I was gonna say 13 would be, I think the youngest I would go. Now when I was a kid, I mean, you know, my parent, I was watching like, you know, the Predator and Commando when I was like seven years old.

So I was seeing people's guts being torn out of their bodies, but now I think we're all more careful. I think 13 for blockers is good. I got a quick question for you. My whole life, I've thought the movie was called Blockers. Is it unofficially Blockers, but because of like censorship, we gotta call it Blockers or is it Blockers

and you guys are always just doing a wink wink thing. It was the original title was Blockers. And yeah, and then I think they changed it to like, then they they workshopped a few titles before I came on board. I think like Roosters might've been one of them. And we're on set kind of, we're like, no, there's no way it can be Roosters. What like the tagline is gonna be like Haka-Loodle-Doo.

So then they just went with the blockers and it worked out because, you know, everyone on this session here has found the movie. Do you want to talk to him about central intelligence? I imagine the Mindy project is the thing that you've done that's gotten the most critical acclaim? Yeah it's definitely up there it's beloved and it's one of those things where you know once he gets on Netflix it has a second and third life and you know younger people start to find it and running point which just came out a

couple months ago has been most recently just because it's first run on Netflix just the reach is incredible I've never had more people reach out to me about anything than the running point. When you wrote or you know co-wrote Central Intelligence do you have the Rock and Kevin Hart in mind for those roles while you're writing it? We wrote it, actually it took seven or eight years to get made. So when we wrote it, we were picturing the, it was, we kept pitching it as fat Jason Bourne and we are obsessed, Ike and I are obsessed with Danny McBride. So we were always picturing, it was like Ed Helms and Danny McBride.

And then the movie was bought and sold to another studio and we took about three other jobs in between and stopped caring about it and thought it would never get made. And then we had lunch with Ross and Thurber, the director of it he was like I'm gonna get The Rock and Kevin Hart attached and we were like all right well good luck with that and he did it. Robert Furrow What was Rock like working with on a comedy? Howard Glass Super nice guy you know I was only on set a little bit I was I actually have a little cameo in the movie I'm at the high school reunion at the very end of the movie.

And I was on set that day, but The Rock, that's his nude scene. That's where he strips down on stage. And you know how those guys are, like he hadn't, I don't think he'd had water in like a week. He had not eaten. And he had a long speech in that moment. So he was very nice.

Like, you know, they introduced him to me as the writer of the movie, but he also was locked into being nude and having to make a long speech in front of a high school gym of 400 people. You're being nice and you're being, this is a very kind story the way that he's telling it. There's no way under that circumstance

that The Rock wanted to talk to you or wanted you anywhere near him. And so he was nice under the circumstances, but he wanted to tell to you or wanted you anywhere near him. And so he was nice under the circumstances, but he wouldn't wanted to tell you to bleep off. Yeah, exactly. That's how nice of a guy he is. He was probably going through some sort of like low blood sugar, like, you know, chemical withdrawal,

memorizing a page of dialogue and had to meet some like guy they flew in from L.A. for one line of the movie. Oh, my God, I'm sorry. Oh, no, you're good. Oh, yeah, standalus. One of the writers for Blockers has said a word that we don't like around here. So sorry.

How is the rocks package? There it is. You know, we should all see his next movie. We'll get another view of it. Really? Chris, can you get the timing right on Wild Willy Wednesdays? It's never been more appropriate. The Wild Willy question.

Please put it in every Wednesday. David, I grew up in a household where Mel Brooks was a staple, I had watched all the movies, among them, History of the World, part one. You were the show runner for History of the World, part two, which is on Hulu. My question to you is, A, how did that come about for you? And B, was there any point where you were the show runner for History of the World Part Two, which is on Hulu. My question to you is A, how did that come about for you? And B, was there any point where you were like,

holy shit, I gotta do this Mel Brooks thing? And that's a lot of pressure, right? Yeah, it was a lot of pressure. It's still surreal to think that I got to work with Mel Brooks, like you, I grew up, I call him my first babysitter. My parents would go out or have people over and it was just a couple of VHS tapes you know young Frankenstein blazing saddles

history of the world so there was some pressure but Mel is the nicest sweetest man in the world when we first met with him he said I'm only doing the show for the health insurance and I was like okay this guy's 95 years old, he's still got it. And Nick Kroll had met with Mel and talked about this idea. And so Nick then brought, Nick wanted some comedy partners on it to help write the show.

And he brought Ike and me aboard to do it. And that was still a dream come true. How was Mel's package? Well, I mean, you know, you know, he's packing I Didn't know but I'm glad we were able to confirm it Confirming I wanted to ask Thank you

I was asking him about I wanted to ask him about running point as he mentioned because it's Jeannie bus It's Kate Hudson the Lakers story continues to be mined for gold everywhere And I was curious about how some of this got made Jeannie bus is forthcoming with all parts of her story here How much of this is fictionalized and how much to you feels like it's just Jeannie bus turned up to ten? Well, we're definitely using her kind of life story as inspiration, but we wanted to make it not like winning time, which winning time is great,

but we weren't doing a biography, and Mindy and Ike and me are all just comedy writers first and lean much more towards 30 Rock or Rest of Development uh, Mindy and Ike and me are all just comedy writers first and much, you know, lean much more towards 30 Rock or Arrested Development or Righteous Gemstones than capturing the exact history of something. So it's a loose representation of what the Buss family is, but really we've created this world and these characters and this, this made up team. So we've been able to do it our own way.

And Bejeanie is super open. and these characters and this made-up team, so we've been able to do it our own way. But Jeannie is super open. I mean, she tells us stories and we try and tweak them to make them funny and make them our own, but she and Linda Rambis, who's also a producer on the show, they are just incredible partners. Can you help me understand Jeannie Buss? I don't know what her relationship is or was

with J. Moore or with comedy, but I believe she's got a special relationship with specifically comedy does she not? Yeah she loves comedy she she loves stand-up she is married to Jay Moore that's the relationship I know of and yeah she and Linda because they're I think they work in this pressure cooker all they do when they're free is watch comedies They've seen every half hour comedy that's come out in the last 20 years They're just huge comedy fans and that's why they always felt like oh, we're two women running an NBA team. Our lives are crazy We have we have it'd be a funny TV show Was Chet Hanks the number one like get were you like? All, we're gonna go for Chet Hanks and if he doesn't

show up, we're screwed. Chet, yeah, Chet was brought to us by our our casting director, Kim Coleman. And it was just it was it was yeah, it was perfect. It was right away. It was like, it's got to be Chet. He said this part was literally written for me. If I don't get it, I should kill myself And so we kind of had to give it to him. I Hope that seems dramatic. It's the first season of running point It is streaming now on Netflix, which is in more disarray weirdness and general uncertainty right now

Hollywood the sports media or your Chicago Bulls Man I'm gonna say I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say Hollywood. The Bulls have a couple pieces. I would give almost all of them up for Yanis. And, yeah, and then. All of them, you'd give all of them up for Yanis. Not almost all of them, you'd give all of them up. Fair enough, but then we're just the Bucks.

That wouldn't be a bad thing to be if you were properly. You're the Bulls, right? Hold on. Congratulations. You're the Bulls. Being the Bucks is like a dream come true. True. I would take Yanis for the whole squad. Is the cereal still in the Wheaties box above your left shoulder? That is an unopened box from 1991 that I have in a special case

I bought it when the Bulls won their first championship and yeah, there are there are unopened Wheaties in there I'm sorry, David. What year was that from? He said 1991 1991 that's a collectible. That's a fan Zazz Our good friend Jonathan Zazzle wants to bring in his most prized possessions. He brings us t-shirts from like 2019. I'm like, these are not collectibles. They're just t-shirts in the rotation. You can't see it, but I also have a 92 Dream Team Jordan autographed jersey.

92. Look at me moving. Is there any way, I don't know how much you value, how much do you value that Wheaties? Box like what would we have to do in order to get you to try and eat a piece of 30 year old cereal? Oh? I think I need like like a producer credit going forward on the show We give those out like It seems like we are now in a negotiation that will make you eat from that box right now.

At the end of today's show, you will get a producer credit. Well, I think I need an, well, this is why I have an agent because I'm a bad agent. We almost had him. No, we did have him. No, that should be orally binding and now he's backing out. What do you mean we almost had him?

We did have him and then he realized, wait wait they let all the producers talk around here. Doesn't mean anything. Yeah that's what he realized. Can we talk for a moment before you go about your PTI sports radio gym room days? Yeah absolutely. I was finishing grad school in LA for screenwriting and got a letter in the mail that I owed money for student loans. And I said, oh crap, like I need a job. And the great Eric Ridehome hired me all the way across the country to be a PA on PTI.

And I moved to DC and worked on PTI and around the horn for a couple of years. And it was the most fun I've ever had. It was like working in a sports bar with, you know, Tony and Wilbon just swearing all morning as they kind of like molded their arguments in the newsroom. And I wanted to get back to screenwriting so moved back to LA and Eric hooked me up with producer Jim Romas-Burning and I did that in the mornings while I continued to write in the afternoons until until we sold Central Intelligence actually.

Were you ever scared of Tony? You know early on because I was a very you know young poor guy living in DC they bring in a catering before the show every day and I would always grab a sandwich and shove it in my bag as I left and they did come up to me one day and this just they just say you know let Tony pick his sandwich first before you put it in your back, put one in your backpack. And so yeah, Tony was a little more intimidating than Wilbond.

Wilbond's from Chicago, he used to get me bowls tickets when they were playing the Wizards and we both went to Northwestern. Tony, yeah, Tony was a little more intimidating. The Jim Rome experience different than that, right? It's a little, it's not quite as, I wouldn't imagine the community is locked in arms laughing and singing toward the sky there. No, there's definitely more of a separation of church and state.

We would stick in our editing dungeon and work on the clips and never see the light of day. Were you allowed to look him in the eye? Yeah, yeah, I was. I didn't do it too often, but yeah. Were you allowed to call him Jim? I don't think I ever called him Jim. Mr. Rome?

Mr. Rome, sir. So you were scared of him? Well, he was an intense guy guy he takes a job very seriously look what what am i gonna say uh... uh... i put you in a bad spot there no i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i'm i'm the only the only reason i'm laughing is because knowing the two environments and knowing how much i love the environment backstage at pardon the interruption i can see how a communal show would be much different than writing for one

person who's doing one show was one voice uh... those are those are very different projects and so i put you in a bad spot, but I did it on purpose. Yeah, no worries. We still actually had fun on gym room. It was still a great group of people, you know, in our little hole. Do you miss anything about the sports beginnings? No, I mean, I loved it.

You know, I feel like I kind of burned out on sports because it was so full time and now I can watch it more as a cat. Also having the Bulls won all their titles. I don't really care what happens anymore. I'm a Bulls fan, but I can enjoy all NBA now. Wow. What a great position. Did you hear that position as a sports fan to win so much that I no longer care about sports because I've had my fill I've moved on to other things. He's got a 93 that a box of Wheaties or 91 box of Wheaties behind him what more do you want? Nothing again will feel

that good. It can't. Yeah yeah it was incredible it was the best ever was probably like living in New York in 1922 when Babe Ruth was hitting homers and you know, nothing will be better so I can just enjoy the NBA now You know every game David thank you. We appreciate the time. I do recommend running point the new comedy series on Netflix These folks do nothing but good work. So I would recommend it to you strongly. Thank you. Thank you guys. Really fun. Next time we'll talk about the oath. Yes. Thank you for being with us. Quite the endorsement on that at the end. Yes.

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and a child. I still would put that on the poll at LeBotard's show. Is there a difference in the smell? You have to smell. I wouldn't. Children waste, Dan. Like it is so foul. I'm not saying waste.

I'm saying the farts of children versus the farts of adults, is there a scent difference that would make you in a Disney World line be able to accuse a six-year-old instead of his lumberjack of a 340 pound father with the turkey leg in his hand. But do you think like you grow up and you get a smelly bone and the kid's smelly bone just hasn't come in yet? Like a fart's a fart.

I think a kid's fart either smells like the mom or the dad. Absolutely not. My wife has said that my daughter's farts smell like my farts. I can see that actually, like genetic fart smell. Dude, you've just been given the gift from heaven Yeah, anytime you're around your kid. It's like yeah, what's her man? I didn't do it come on

I haven't done that you think that's what heaven is gifts the biggest dad move There is is you fart and you go Graceland. Why'd you fart you guys don't do this? No, the biggest dad move is what was that sound you do that like hey, did you guys hear that? What was that sound you do that like hey, did you guys hear that? Billy I would like tomorrow on the show or next Wild Willy Wednesday to put adult poop baby poop and dog poop in front Of you and you pick which is Blindfolded yes, okay now blindfolded That's too bad why Wild Willy Wednesday needs to be wilder I can provide the human poop You live in Arizona. I do.

There are no alligators or crocodiles that are native to Arizona. So did you think this one was like on a long journey to your toilet? Hey man, the pipes, it's all pipes. It's all pipes. So you think that some, like from somewhere, an alligator just crawled in pipes

and made all the way to your home in Arizona. It happens in South Florida with snakes, iguanas, like these are things that are Like are in Florida. There are no crocodiles and alligators in Arizona. I think you're missing the point It's all pipes. It's all connected, but they're not pipes big enough for alligators. I'm surprised Dude, I see videos like Komodo dragons come out of toilets. I get crazy what can fit in pipes Maybe it was a Komodo dragon, maybe come out of toilets, like it's crazy what can fit in pipes. Maybe it was a Komodo dragon.

Maybe. I mean, I wanted to ask you about where it is that we are placing Jamal Murray on the pantheon of performers when I've been telling you here, and it's a tricky thing to trust James Harden and it's a trickier thing to trust the Clippers. I've been telling you that I believe that team for two seasons now is championship good if healthy. They ran into the best player in

the league when James Harden was asked recently who should win the MVP. He said we'd all like Shea Gilder's Alexander to win, but of course Jokic is the best player. He's obviously the best player. Last night, Jokic again controls a basketball game in a way that is super strange and allows us and allows Jamal Murray to enjoy the heightened excellence of what it gets to be when you're the number two guy who doesn't ever have the number one guy responsibilities and you can occasionally put up the 36 because he's going for a triple double 13 points and you don't and that's the day they decide he's just going to pass the ball and allow Jamal Murray to be a player that

generally he's not. I mean he is not I don't believe that Jamal Murray without Jokic would be putting up a great many 40 point games. I believe he's afforded what he's and not that how many 40 point games Jamal Murray put up in his career is it five you'd say what would you bring a season just all total so i would say that if he's done that he may have done it more than five times but i don't think of him as a player in game five even if someone saw him in the bubble and says that first round playoff series

of jamal and you'll get playing together is the best basketball i've ever seen him playing against donovan mitchell and utah because it was that unstoppable those two guys was Jamal Murray has six games of 40 plus points in the playoffs alone. Okay, but for his career I bet you it's not a ton more than that. Like I'm going to guess, I'm gonna guess that this guy is putting up something that would resemble Jimmy Butler if Jimmy Butler didn't exist in terms of what he does in the postseason versus what he's doing in the regular season and what that buys you in reputation

when the next two games nobody trusts James Harden in the next two games like there's nobody listening to this nobody who will say that I trust that James Harden in these next two games isn't gonna put up what he just put up there when they needed him to do something he He also has six 40 plus point games in his regular season career. So there is a stark difference between the efficiency on that and the playoffs in the regular season. I think, first of all, this goes back

to what Jeremy was talking about earlier about the need for consistency and not making rash decisions. Murray and Jokic have something special like that's not just oh he plays with a great player that's Stockton Malone Yes, they are Stockton and Malone. They are Nash and Stoudemire. They have a Symmetry and a symbiosis that I think elevates both of them. Obviously Yocic is a great player He'd be a great player without Murray, but I think He's a greater player with Murray.

They play off of one another so well. At this point, much of these aren't even play calls. It's just telepathy almost, right? And you can throw in Aaron Gordon there as a third. It's like an unconventional big three. They're not stars on their own right, the other two, but together they are the formation of something incredibly special and symbiotic. We talk about where are we going to regard Jamal Murray.

I said this the year they won the title, someone was like, he's gonna be an All-Star. I'm like, he'll never be an All-Star. I said, how could you say that? I said, because look at the Western Conference. Look at who the guards are in the Western Conference. He's always going to be not quite good enough to be regarded as one of the best

but there's a long list of guys whether it's Monte Ellis whether it's Jamal Crawford Lou Williams Eddie Johnson he's better than all those guys though no I think I I don't know I think I think he's I think all those guys were really really really really good players but they didn't get the opportunity to play alongside for a long period of time with one of the best ever and create that chemistry like if those guys played with great players it was always fleeting it was always like oh for a year or two I played over here in Indiana with Reggie Miller or I played a year or two over here with Chris Paul but you never got that hey the bulk of my career is being built building not just

playing and benefiting but building something that is so strong you can't recreate it or replicate it in like a season or two. You believe though that there is a lot of comps for guy who will score 40 points in six playoff games is a champion and is not an all-star? Not an all-star makes it harder for sure. Again, the names that I just dropped are probably the guys. But I'm saying, if I just give you Jamal Murray's statistics

and I just show you things being done in important moments on the way to important victories. Right. No, I mean, look. Like that's a player that's remembered for all time if you put up six forty point games in the playoffs He absolutely He's made a name for himself. He's

Him and Brunson go back and forth on who is the leader of biggest differential between my career points per game average during regular season and career in the playoffs and even then when you say that Brunson has kind of a sneaky advantage that helps his number in that way because Brunson started his career as a guy, second round pick wasn't even supposed to play and he would come in and spot duty and stuff and so his regular season numbers are kind of depressed from his time in Dallas. Whereas Jamal Murray was a lottery pick and really got the playing time from the beginning so his jump is actually a more representative, like no he's actually doing way more but then when you put all those parameters obviously gets really hard you're saying guy who's never been all-star guy who has

this jump in scoring and you're an champion now you've really narrowed it down we don't typically see a lot of those I think that off of the games yesterday you're gonna have some difficulty finding something that's harder to talk about than the placement of Jamal Murray given that from statmuse he now has more 40-point playoff games than Larry Bird Charles Barkley, Kawhi, Ant, Mitchell, Jokic, Carmelo, Dame, McGrady, Magic, Trey, Oscar Robertson, Paul Pierce, Karl Malone, Jason Tatum. So Dan, I'm looking at the list right here,

and when I tell you, every guy on the list ahead of him is either a Hall of Famer right now or is going to be a Hall of Famer. I think like Devin Booker might be the the one or it's like okay that's on the cusp but everyone else on this list we're talking Steph Curry we're talking about Rick Barry we're talking about Russell Westbrook, Dwayne Wade, Dirk Nowitzki, Bernard King, Walt Chamberlain, Kobe Bryant, Elgin Baylor, Kevin Durant, Jerry West, LeBron, Michael Jordan, like these

are the names these are the names Shaq is on that list, Iverson's on that list, Kareem like I said the the in question and I think these guys are gonna be Hall of Famers eventually Devin Booker Jimmy Butler and There was one on Jalen Brunson. Those are the questionable names on that list Everyone else on the list ahead of them is either a Hall of Famer right now or is a surefire Hall of Famer And he'll never be an all-star and he'll never be an all-star he'll never be an all-star I can't believe that my father saw Mickey Harrison leaving the arena in a wig sunglasses in a mustache like a ball of wax