The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 2: The Axel Rose Debate (feat. Elle Duncan)

Episode Date: March 17, 2026

"¿Cómo se dice 'fuego' en español?" The Dolphins made another blockbuster trade before we started recording, moving Jaylen Waddle, and it just so happens they traded him to Elle's favorite team. Plus, a raging debate over Oldies vs. Classics, Jay-Z's return, and a game of Elle Yes or Elle No. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This is the Dan Levatore show with the Stucats podcast. Go peepy. What, how did Dantos end up in there? What is that? They always do, Dano. It's because I'm a tastemaker. David Sampson, David Sampson, that initial, I don't know, harumfing and stuttering and not making sense was in response to how he felt about Cuba falling. That was his first few sounds on the show.

We've got breaking news before we get to El Duncan. and she was very excited about the breaking news as a Broncos fan. The Miami Dolphins have traded Jalen Waddle for a first round pick and anything else? A third and a fourth. So 30th pick in each single of those rounds. So the first third and fourth all 30th pick. Yeah, the dolphins also sent a fourth. So that's essentially a pick swap with Denver in the fourth round.

But yeah, the first round pick for Jalen Wadle, 30th overall, Jalen Waddle is a Denver Bronco. Yeah, so it's for they got the first. worst end of the swap, obviously, in the fourth round, but you're getting a first and a third then, essentially, for Waddle. I don't know, it's more than I would have thought you'd have gotten for him for a team that's rebuilding. And you're getting off of a wide receiver who is a good player, but they pay him like a number one. He's not a number one. They're not going to ask him to be a number one in Denver. They're going to ask him to be a number two, but let's get some expertise from L. Duncan here. She's the lead host at Netflix for the first pitch of the Major League

Baseball season that's coming live to Netflix on March 25th. Giants host the Yankees at Oracle Park and the opening night pregame show begins at 7 p.m. We've got an assortment of questions for her, but let's start with what it is. The breaking news is you are a Broncos fan. Who is the cornerback for the Broncos that you hate? It can't be Certan, so it has to be their nickel corner. Who's the one that you're always yelling about? Yeah, Riley Moss.

So how do you feel about this trade? You seem to be excited when this was happening and we were setting up. I dig it. We need, I mean, you guys tried to pour water all over my parade by saying, Jaylen Wattles always hurt. And everybody on the Broncos is always hurt. I think we proved last year that even without a quarterback, we could have made a Super Bowl. I'm just saying, we could have, we could have, if not for a freakish storm.

So, like, we don't even need a quarterback to make Super Bowl. We can certainly do without a receiver if he gets hurt from time to time. But we need some depth there, clearly. I'm not exactly sure that he's going to be able to, like, overtake Cortland Sutton's production, which is wild to say. because two years ago, I was like, Cortland Sutton is a great number two. Why are we making them a number one? But alas, I feel good about it.

I dig it. They're doing something. I mean, they haven't been doing shit. So at least they're doing something. They're trying. A couple days ago, I saw that 30th. I saw a clip the other day of Jalen Waddle being asked about who in the entire league he would want to box. And he said Patrick Sertan.

Yeah. And then Patrick Sertan went back at Twitter. Like, it seemed playful. But now I feel like Waddle knew something was happening here. I feel like why would he say that random name? The quote from you. Because Patrick Surtan was like, I'm a bust his ass. And I look forward to saying that competitive edge in practice.

I love that. I would put my money on Patrick Sertan, not hurt, nearly as much. You were saying, Jeremy, quote, Pat Sartan, I would beat the shit out of him. I'd beat the dog shit out of him. There are a lot more people, but that's just top of my mind. I beat the dog shit out of bro. Now, they did both go to Alabama, so maybe that was the connection. I don't know.

Something's going on. It's not a random person that Waddle was talking about, though. it's a defensive player of the year who plays cornerback and they went to school together. Like, it's not, he's not. So you think coincidence. I'm saying he selected a player who is considered the best in the league at his position. He's punching up. And so he just chose Sertan because Sertan, well, anyway, Waddle as a dolphin.

Next MVP card. The last value that the dolphins had for trade value in the complete fumigation of the building, is Jalen Waddle. People did say they were asking for two number ones at the trade deadline. I don't know why you guys are surprised that he goes for a number 30, but they are dismantling the entire thing. The dolphins are going to have no players that anyone knows at the start of the season. Is it called a fire sale? 2-2 Atwell would like a word. Well, no, it's not called a fire sale because a fire sale is when you're trying to shed money. That's not what the dolphin is. That's what you do.

No? No. Well, I gotta be honest, outside of your group and Miami, I think most people forget that the dolphins are a football team. So I'm not sure it matters that people don't know anybody that's on the dolphins anymore. Let's just be real. Let's be honest. Yes, she's right. It's the truth. When you're talking about the battle of the AFCEs or you're talking about the AFC in general, people just forget, at least the last couple of years, that the dolphins are a team.

And the only time that they've really permeated the conversations is when Tua gets a concussion, or they shit the bed again when they have to play in cold. Can you give me a number to this question? How many friends and family have you had hit you up because they want Netflix for free? Actually, no, because everybody already has Netflix. I will say I am shocked at the amount of former coworkers who have, you know, done the like, how you doing? How's everything going?

Hope it's going well at Netflix. If you ever want to work with, you know, this guy again. I'd love to work with you if there's ever any opportunities at Netflix. I'm getting a lot of that, which is interesting. I'm like, I've worked there for like eight weeks. I have no hiring ability. And I think that we've already established that like this is a unique role for me because like this is like the only role Netflix that's like this.

But yeah, that's been that there's been a lot of those text messages. Are they spaceing it out, Elle? Are they spacing out the hello just checking in on you and then the asking for something? Because you can't, I tend to like at all like. on a Tuesday. It's good move. Check in with somebody. Hey, what's up?

Good to hear from you. Good to see. I hope everything's well. And then on a Friday, I'll get around to like what I'm actually in it for. That's actually very, very smart, Greg. Thank you. I like, I actually planted seed.

I need something, but I haven't talked to this person in a while. So I planted that seed today. And then I'm going to hit him with the ask. Probably Thursday. I think I'm going to give it a couple of days. They do. They wait for me to sort of go, it's great. You know, I really enjoy it.

And then they hit me with the like, I'd love to do it. enjoy it too. And it's coming from everywhere. Not just people on air, but people in offices. Anyone that I've ever met would like a job at Netflix. Zaz, you didn't wait one second. Forget two days. When you asked me for something today, it wasn't like, hey, how you doing? How's your daughter? How you feel? A nice shirt. You went right to the ass. Okay. I asked David to help me get guns and roses tickets here in Hollywood. But I did wait two days because I've been seeing you since Sunday. And I asked you here on Tuesday.

That's not true, but that is strategic. I waited two days. You don't have... The Guns and Roses still performs? Oh, they're so great still. Yes, they do. No, wait a minute. I saw them open up a place in Las Vegas before the sphere,

and Axel Rose came out in a wheelchair. I'm not even making that up. And that was like five years ago. I've seen them pretty recently, and look, Axel's pipes are leaking. They're shot. It was a wheelchair, but it was dressed as a throne. They made it look like a throne, but it was a wheelchair. I will give them credit, though, for whatever reason, they decide to play for three and a half hours.

Yeah. And they're like, they'll go through every song. I mean, every song you'd want to hear. It's still a good show, man. They have three and a half hours worth of songs. Like, I like Guns and Roses guys, but I can name like two or three songs. They have three and a half hours worth of songs. Hell, November rain is nine minutes, all right?

Like, they got three and a half hours. So there's like two. They don't have three and a half hours, especially not what that is. Give me a pure cut. Ten minutes rolling them out. Give me 90 minutes of just like the purifier and save the voice for the next show. Yeah, and in that 90 minutes, I want to hear like seven covers. Let's be real, you guys.

Welcome to the jungle. November rain. Sweet child of mine. Sweet child of mine. Every rose has its thorn. Oh, come on. Oh, God. I love that song.

Well, that's one. Okay, so four. So we just came up with like 15. minutes of content. You know, Guns and Roses is a perfect festival act. Like a festival act is someone that you just come. They do their three or four songs and then they bounce and then like you just keep wash, rinse and repeat. No way. There's no way they have three and a half hours of music. No, I'll die on that hill. They have so many bangers, Guns and Roses. Three or four songs. And that's, it's, that's poison, David, all right? Don't, Elle, you felt for his trap.

All right. Every rose has its thorn. Poison. Two minutes in the box. Best dead. Tremendia. That's you, David. Every rose has its thorn is not a Guns and Roses song. It sounds like who it was. You're got to leave. Listen, Guns and Roses, Twisted Sister and Motley Crew. Put them on a festival. Let me get their four or five songs off and then keep it moving.

Three and a half hours is absurd. And if it's in Hollywood, I'm sure you're paying like 500 bucks a ticket. It's a con job. Well, that's why I asked David for help. Yes. I saw Dee Snyder one time at Universal. Still has the hair. Jeremy, look up for me, please.

I believe I know where rock and roll died, and it was in a New York hotel lobby when Axel Rose got into a fight with Tommy Hilfiger. So just look up for me the details on that story. That can't be real. I'm pretty sure I have that exactly right because I felt rock and roll die that day. And I remember it being reported in a way that was just sad.

You can't be the lead singer of the big band in the world and get into a fight in a hotel lobby. May 20th, 2006, Dan, Tommy Hilfiger and Guns and Rose's frontman, Axel Rose, fought at the plum nightclub in New York. The altercation stemmed from a dispute over a VIP table and a moved drink resulting in Hillfiger, allegedly punching Rose. What? Yeah, it reminded me of like when that hairdresser knocked out Shug Nights. in Los Angeles in a barbershop and it just ruined the entire image for me.

Put up a picture of Tommy Hilfiger so people can see what knocked out the frontman of Gunson Roses. He's described as a flurry of punches or a one-two counter of a slap and a punch. Wow. Tell you talking about David? I was actually talking about Tommy Hilfiger. He's a little guy. But good for him.

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See chime.com for details and applicable terms. Hey Roy, buddy. You know that energy shift when the game gets good and everybody altogether in unison knows to stand up on their feet? Oh, absolutely, Mike. Yeah, you've been at many big time sporting events. You know that moment quite well. That's what it's like when you take your first sip of Cuervo. Oh, delicious.

It's the signal that says, we're not checking the time anymore, pal. It's when small talk turns into stories. Quervo, man, it's at high five a random stranger effect. That's right. The game is popping. You're hugging people. never met before. That's the kind of energy that Cuervo brings. It's so smooth, so delicious.

That's the Quervo effect. Keep it, Quervo. Don Lebatard. There's sunglasses and boxes today. Us the lives all the same. Stugats. It's the final night. This is the Dan Lebatar show with the Stugats. Elle, how do you feel about

the world baseball classic and why are Hispanic people more flavorful about baseball than any other ethnicity? Because they were just marinated and seasoned before they were born. I don't know. I love it. It's interesting because, I mean, obviously in these situations, like you want to root for USA, but some of my favorite players are actually on Team Venezuela, so I'm really torn. I mean, Ronnie is my guy. I'm a Braves fan. But yeah, you know, I think stunts like, this like big events are really interesting for baseball they're great for baseball like that's why I kind of like I'm super excited to do opening day and sort of the big like spectacle type of events you know you know this like if you are a

fan of baseball but like not a fan enough to want to cover a hundred and sixty two games you get no parts of baseball right like you either have to commit fully to twelve months of baseball or you don't get to be a part at all so I'm excited that like with Netflix I get to tap in on major spectacles including opening day and the home run derby and the field of dreams game. But overall, you know, I think it's going to be a ratings bananza tonight. People don't have to care about anything so long as they can like, USA! America!

Yeah. And I think, you know, you're going to have, Fox is going to have good. Let's do that together. Let's do it all together. America! Yeah. Be careful, Dan. There's another word there that we skimmed.

Yeah. I'm doing Team America. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Elle, we did this during the Olympics with U.S. and Canada with the hockey. So you're telling me, if Ronald O'Cunia Jr., he's up to bat and a base hit wins the game tonight. Who are you rooting for in that spot? Well, I mean, let's just be real.

Like, the second of this game's over today, they go back to their respective teams. And I need Ronnie to be in a good headspace for like 162 games, especially because Eurksson Profar can't stop taking PEDs. So I think it's a win for the Braves if they win, and then it's a win for America if they don't. Like, either way, I feel good. That is not an answer. That is some fence-sitting, and I want to lure you out by telling you that dance isn't fixing anything.

I was rooting for the Dominican Republic against the U.S. I said so publicly, come on, Elle, come join me on the dangerous side. Are you indeed rooting for Ronald Acuna Jr. and Venezuela against the United States, or are you not? Or will you wait? and this is the way you can get out of it. The way you can get out of it is I won't know until I feel it because that's what happened to me.

I was surprised that I was rooting for the Dominican Republic, but I was. Yeah. I will probably feel it out. Like I honestly feel like I don't, typically in these situations, if there was like a team that I don't have players that I have an affinity for or care about,

I would just be like, yeah, America. Like, go team USA. It's really not because I'm like making some political stance about the state of America. I'm not going for my, I believe it would be my fifth time making outkicks lived hard of the month if this was to go viral. I'm not going for any of those things. I just legitimately, I'm excited about this game because I don't care either way.

Like I have players on both sides. Obviously, if America wins, like that's great. I really like Aaron Judge, thinks he's good dude. But if Venezuela wins, like, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world because, like, Ronnie would be happy. And if he's happy, I'm happy. I think what you say is Ronald goes three for four and then the U.S. walks it off. Because then you get, hey, it's a walk-off. It is what it is.

They lost the coin flip. The U.S. is the home team. Okunia goes back. He's three-for-four. He had a great run. I think that's what you're rooting for, along with more subscribers to Netflix. Sure, 100%. That's exactly what I want.

In a perfect world, it would all happen. In a perfect world, it would end in a tie. And there would be no losers or winners. Just everyone celebrating the game. Dan, we said the signs were there. a couple of big album anniversaries for this artist and it is indeed true. The rumors are true.

Jay-Z is returning to the stage. A return to live performing he is announced as the headliner. El just spit out her drink. He just said. He is headlining at the Roots Picnic with the Roots as his backing band on May 30th.

One can assume this means the anniversary dates at Brooklyn. Those might be true too. He's also returning to the the States. Yeah. He hasn't been here recently. If you haven't noticed. Blog's been a little hot for Jay. So, L, yes, reportedly in the Epstein files, correct? Not reportedly. Whoa. Seen it with my eyes.

L. We were talking before the last couple of weeks, and this might make you also feel old. Hip Hop is 50, and we were talking about what classifies as oldies. We were talking about Jay Z and others, and I was offended at the tipping point of Kanye and Jamie Fox doing Gold Digger that was viewed as an oldie. And I'm like, that can't be an oldie, but they're saying, nope, that's oldies. So classify it for us. What would you say is the tipping point on this is the hardest song I have to make a judgment on between the past and the present? You're not allowed to do big band. 20 years is about the time that has to go by for oldies.

What's an oldie? No, you guys are getting it wrong. There's a difference between oldies and classics. Classics is anything that's aged out 20 years or so, right? Like classic rock is now Guns and Roses and Bon Jovi. Classic rock before might have been like Steely Dan. I don't know. Oldies, oldies, very specifically is like the Four Seasons, Motown music.

In my opinion, the Beatles, like that's Oldies. Anything that came out or predates the 70s is just like sort of oldies in general. If there was a doo-wop, if they did a barber shop quartet type of feel, right? Like if they were on Soul Train, then that is, in its heyday, that would be an oldies, but that's different than classics. And like now we've reached the sort of era where like, yes, the people that we grew up loving and listening to. I mean, the amount of people from Atlanta, kids from Atlanta that I mentioned Outcast to and they don't even know who that is is absurd. But you would never classify Outcast as an oldie. By this definition, no, by the definitions of this show, Outcast, Big Boy, Andre, they would be Oldies.

No, they're classics. Oldies is a genre in and of itself. Oldies is like describing everything that I just said. Classics means, yes, like it's no longer current. It's no longer in the pop culture lexicon currently. But it's not an oldies. Like classic, I think, describes a time frame. Oldies describes a type of music.

You're not allowing, you're not allowing hip hop to get old. So Sir Mix a lot. Baby got back. Oldie? It's a classic. That's early 90s. It's a classic. They're telling me because I listen to 90s on 9 that I'm listening to an oldie station. No, no, because you know

what would be actual oldies? The oldies station. The Motown 60s station. The 50s station. We're at the same point listening to 90s music that they were listening to 60s music. Now in 2026, we're listening to the same thing we're listening to the night. It wasn't called oldies when it was young. But that's, I understand that, but what you guys have to understand is that, and this is coming from someone who, like, loves music. I love all kinds of music, every kind of genre. If I wasn't doing TV,

I would be doing something in music. I love music. But oldies is a genre of music, in my mind. Okay, this is just my opinion. Classics just means they have aged out, right? Like, classics means it came out a long time ago, and at the time, yes, it was current and relevant to you when you were young, and maybe isn't anymore. But you would never. identify outcast like there is no rat person that can be identified as an oldie you know what that doesn't go in the same group as Frank Sinatra I'm gonna say it an oldie L I'm gonna say it you're wrong on this that I don't understand what's happening here the 90s were four decades ago that's like listening to the old

station hearing a little ditty from the 50s and being like ah look at listen to this classic now it's diddy we are further removed from the formation of the NWO and WCW than the formation of the NWO was from the Moon landing. We're old. And that's fine. I've embraced being old, but I'm telling you right now, you're not going to put Outcast in the same category as big girls. I love that song.

I do too because I love oldies. No. Where do you have total eclipse of the heart? That's my... Is that by Guns and Moses? That's your line. That's a classic. Total a classic.

That is on a classic... There's a slider, damn. Slider in the dirt. Don't you dare. Perdomo swung out of it. Total Eclipse of the heart at karaoke still. That's a classic rock. You can't go white guys when she sings it at karaoke.

Total eclipse of the heart? I'm tired of your buttons. I do the old school version too, guys. I fucking need you tonight. Let's go. Love that song. L, are you ready? Are you ready for a game of Elia or El Nah?

You ready? Yes, I'm ready. Filling out a bracket. El yeah or Elna? I no longer have the pressure. I no longer have the 500 emails going. Can you please get your bracket done right now so we can post it all over ESPN.com?

But Elia, it's fun. It's fun and it makes games that you don't otherwise care about interesting. I literally got that email this morning. Congratulations. For the third time. Yeah. Peanuts and Cracker Jack. Elia or Elna?

El No. That's an oldies reference. Peanuts and Cracker Jack? Jacks, like, have anybody, we should update that to like the current menus that are offered at ballparks now. You know, buy me some cheese dog helmet caps with ice cream on top. Right? Buy me a $17 ice cream helmet. There's such great margin in peanuts and crackers. They still do peanuts.

They sell that. He only tastes money. He's David Samson. The Oscars, El Yeah or El Nah? Ooh. Oh, man. You know, it just depends on the year. I thought it was good the last couple years.

This year, it just the bits were so bad in between. But based on the results, I really wanted it from Michael B. Jordan. El yeah. Throwing a home run ball back. El yeah or El Nah? Yeah, El yeah. I mean, considering the circumstances, yes. If it's the other team, throw it back.

What about if someone near you has it, are you chanting, throw it back. Throw it back. No. No. You give it to a kid. No, the pure pressure bit is ridiculous. So you cheer.

Give it to a... I'll chant that. I won't chant throw it back, but I will chant. If you don't give it to a kid and there's a kid near you, it's bad look. I'll boo at you. 100%.

I'm with you. Wearing green on St. Patrick's Day. Oh my God. I have already been pinched four times by my fucking children for not wearing green. It's like 11.30 a.m. I haven't even had a chance to put on green. But I wanted so bad.

to remind them and of what St. Patrick's Day is supposed to be about, the real meaning of the season, which is getting blackout drunk during the day and continuing to convince yourself that you can go back to work. Like, that's what St. Patrick's Day is for. This idea that you got to eat green or wear green or get pinched is stupid. I say that, I'm probably going to go changing to green after this. And I'm looking at Mike, who is wearing the greenest shirt possible. That's a year? Are you the only one?

That's a yeah? That's a yeah. Is that a yeah? I'll take it as an L. No, no to the green. Wrong. I got it wrong. It's too much pressure. But wait, can I raise you one?

An L no to the people who on the outside look like they're not wearing green. And then we'll say things like, I have on green underwear. So like, just trust me on this. I have a green bra on. Like that's, you either show it or you don't. An adult bringing a baseball glove to a game. This is always so controversial. This goes right along with an adult wearing a jersey to a baseball game or not to a baseball game,

just wearing a jersey. It depends on where you're sitting. If you are sitting in prime foul ball territory, it's literally like a self-defense mechanism. You need to bring a ball glove, period. But if you're in like, I don't know, 45 rows up behind home plate, you probably don't need it. Dan Levatard. Tatas. Stugats.

Taitas. This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugats. Watch opening night of the 2026 MLB season on Netflix. It starts March 25th. It's the Giants hosting the Yankees, the pregame show. show begins at 7 p.m. Eastern. You're doing it with Albert Poole's and Anthony Rizzo. Have you worked with them before? Do you know them at all? This isn't going to quite be the chemistry that you have on, that you're leaving behind at ESPN, I would imagine, right? You have not worked with these people before.

I have not, but you know, I never worked with those people at ESPN until I did, right? Like, that's my job as the host is to like try to build as much rapport and chemistry as we can and the time that we have together before we hit air. I look forward to the challenge. I've heard nothing but great things about both of them. Rizzo's never really done TV. Albert has. So yeah, I'm going to try to figure out where they want the proverbial pitch so that they can knock it out of the park. Just be careful with Pujols because he's trying to be manager now. So he's not going to give tremendous insights that are negative toward many organizations because he's looking to be manager. Oh, she'll pull it out. I'm going to try my best.

Well, I, you know, I'm hoping that it's going to be okay that I am. We're doing a whole segment about the ABS system. And I was going to use what happened to his beloved Dominican Republic as an example of why ABS can be incredibly helpful. I hope that's not a sensitive spot. Did you have an opinion of how that game ended? We've been arguing about it for two days. What are your thoughts?

Got a swing, right, L? Got a swing. It's a ball, but it's too close to things. It was not that close. Game-off. It was not that close. It was not that close. It was five inches from the floor. What are we talking about?

It's a ball. Disciplines. You have to go to the discipline. Don't leave it in the hands of the empire. You have to swing at that. I played baseball my whole life. You got to swing at that. And strike out?

Never played baseball. I went into the dug out. You got to. No, no, it wasn't in the dirt. Don't act like it was in the dirt. It might as well have been. It might as well have been in the dirt.

He might as well be a good. He didn't swing at it. The reason why, it was a ball. It was a ball, but it was too close to leave it in the hands of the umpire. It was not without doubt. That was a skill. Dan, say something. Going if it's a ball or a strike.

Dan, this is your show. Say something. This was not the 1997 NLCS with the mold. Wow. Bringing the heat. El, don't get bringing the heat. Show it. Pull it up for.

Everyone's fine. That's right. Pull up the montage for El. That's why you're in. I'm so happy. What a job. This is the good stuff here. Elle, drink it in.

Like, where? Like, where? The strike zone was day. They need county. Oh, they should have swung the bat. We're showing the Eric Greg montage. That was a strike. He went there.

That's not a strike. He went there. That's not even close. That's not even close. There's one more strike and then my favorite one. Pro player. We have a strike here. It's a strike.

Here comes the Fred McGriff. Here comes to Fred McGriff. The backdoor curve ball that's never closer than two feet from the plate. It's in the third-based dugout. Hello. Take a seat. Where is that? He didn't even try to frame it.

Rest in power. Take his seat, cry. to take his seat crime dog. It's what Zaslo just hit him with. Oh, man. He just laughed, too. Good frame by CJ. Before you get out of here,

Elle, what do you think is going to happen? You are hosting the USA Network's inaugural season of WNBA coverage for 2026. Do you believe, with good amount of certainty, that there's going to be a season? Yes. There, I have my sources, too. There will be a season.

They will get a deal done. It's just a matter of, at this point, we're just dealing with timelines. I mean, you guys, they still, like, once they get this done, they still have to release a schedule. They have to do two expansion drafts. They have to do, like, they have a regular draft, which, you know, for all intents of purposes, is going to go off without a hitch. But I am concerned with the timeline. So I would not be surprised if they had to push the season by a couple of weeks, but I am, I would put my mortgage on the fact that there will be. Woo, Chris Cody, that sounds like a happens to know to me.

He happens to know? She. Great Scott, he happens to know. He happens to know. Gather everyone. Get the children. He happens to know. She.

First time this happens. So wise. She has sources. She's wise too. First time a woman's known around here. She can be wise. You don't believe women can happen to know? I love women.

Elle, good seeing. You always good seeing you. So wise. You are so wise. She has sources too She has sources too. She is well informed. Thank you, Elle. Thank you. I love hanging out

with you classic men. You're not oldies, you're just classic. It was a ball, thanks. Thank you so much. I didn't get the job at Netflix. Thank you. See you later. Thank you, Elle. It is always a pleasure talking to you. It is wonderful to see

her getting all of the assignments that she wants. Did David go for the job at Netflix? Did we just find that out? Well, after speaking the way I did about Cuba, I might need one, so I'll be a better at all. Is that why you suck out to arbitration? It's a little scary. Poo-Holtz isn't going to give you anything. Can I ask David what?

You had a strong objection, and I didn't get to the bottom of it, with us referring to the Marlins as a fire sale and not what the dolphins are doing right now. I don't like the word fire sale because it's not. With the dolphins, the dolphins can't win. They ever want a playoff game in 25 years. They should get rid of every player. That's it. So what Green Bay is doing in Miami is the smartest thing ever.

When you break up a Marlins team that loses 90 games, of course, they suck, get rid of them, and bring in new people. But that's different from what you guys did. You won the World Series. We kept the team together and added over the next two years. We just tried to Detroit and get overpaid. But you had. And traded Derek Lee to the Cubs. But you had good team.

I love you keep saying things you did. And we traded. And my goal. And Louis-Castillo. We added, other than this, this and this. No, no, that was after O'5. But the point is, what the dolphins are doing, it's about time. There's been mediocrity here for so long.

What's the difference? Right, but the dolphins are going to come back with a very similar payroll right now than they had before these trades. The Marlins, when you did it, you had a significantly cheaper payroll. No, that was, you're thinking of from 05 to 06. And you're thinking of Huizenga from 97 to 98. So that's just the confusion. Let me, let me, I want to talk about Waddle and the breaking news with the dolphins, but I also. want to address the distinction that David's making on a fire sale that none of the rest of us would make.

You kept breaking up teams. You broke up the team after you started the stadium and this was different than what it is that the dolphins are doing now because what Zaz is saying is correct. Their payroll is their payroll. And unfortunately for them, they've got more dead money than any team in the league on people they're going to be paying to not play for them next year. That means their payrolls down. their active payroll will be lower next year. But that's not by choice, though. They would love to be able to spend the money they're not allowed to spend.

No, they made a mistake. So you're being penalized, as you should be, when your talent evaluators are wrong. Two and never should have been signed. But they're not saving any money. I did enjoy, I was listening to the local hour, I did enjoy the dude who traded Miguel Cabrera asking a bunch of Venezuelans why they're not Marlon's fans. Eight out of ten. Such a made-up stat, dude. Eight out of ten, Venezuelan surveyed.

Top three answers on the board. Do you know where the kosher stand is? Nope. Question two. Will you be a Marlon season ticket holder? Nope. Third question. Who's the hitting coach for this team?

Nope. It's Miguel Cabrera. He doesn't look like Miguel Cabrera. You traded Miguel Cabrera and you wandered around the stadium, a stadium you built asking Venezuelan fans. Why does it always feel like this? I didn't do a fire sale. How do you say Fuego in Spanish?

I didn't say that. The thing that I wanted to talk to you guys about regarding Jalen Waddle, when you keep trading players that people know and you have to fumigate the building, how are Dolphin fans supposed to feel about the news that one of the very few things they care about who they know to be decent? too many drops, doesn't get open enough as a number one, but you know him to be recently the future you were investing in and now you are starting over in a way that is as overt a rebuild as the dolphins have ever had in our lifetime. This one's interesting because in theory you should be okay with it, not just because

they got back a first and a third, but because the team's going to be terrible and why pay Jalen Waddle as a number one wide receiver when he's not and you're going to be terrible. But the other part of it, which I think is confusing is we want to make sure we get a proper evaluation on Malik Willis. 100%. And so I don't know how we're doing that if they don't have any receivers. And if they're no to the throw to, then why'd you waste the money on Malik Willis having a three-year window of like, all right, is this guy good?

Because this year you're not going to find out if he's good or not. Next year you're going to find out if he's good? Aren't they going to, you got to assume now with the stockpile of picks, they're going to get him a receiver, right? He has two-two out well. They're not going to get him a top-10 receiver. They're not going to get somebody... At the 11th pick.

Look, this is a part of the analysis that is required here because what Zaz is saying is correct. Mike loves the Packers' receivers, did before Dobbs moved teams. I don't love the Packers' receivers, but there's not a dispute on the Packers' receivers are better than anything the Dolphins presently have in their receivers' room. I'd be really curious what they told Malik Willis about Waddle and what their plans were with Waddle, because I wonder if it would change his thinking at all. Gino Smith just went to the Jets because the Jets aren't going to get a quarterback to go over there because nobody's going to want to play with those skill guys.

I mean, they have a much better skill guy than Miami has presently in Wilson. He's a really good receiver. We have Etienne. Yeah, if I pulled you aside at our watch party, when the dolphins are ahead of Will Levis on Monday night. And I said, hey, Tua, Tyreek Hill, and Jalen Waddle are all going to be gone in two years. Would you believe me? It is crazy.

That was the most exciting moment for many adult Miami. They were nine and two. They were nine and two. They were in first place in the division. I think the bills were like, weren't the bills like three games back or something ridiculous? Three back with five to play. Everybody was confident. We have a quarterback.

We have two great wide receivers. We have this explosive offense. Up two touchdowns in the fourth quarter against Tennessee. That's crazy how quickly everyone's gone now. Then you squinted and it was like, is that damn horrid? Or is that Will Levis? I can't tell. I'm going to ask the audience this question.

The Dolphins biggest name is? A-chan. A-chan. Yeah, you do this as a non-fantasy football player. Like the fantasy value of A-chan. Malik Willis? Leak Willis. Dolpharet, guys.

Paul. You guys are sitting here telling me that you're not surprised that Kenneth Walker gets the same contract as Bradley Chubb because of how disposable all the running backs are. And now you're telling me that an offense that was the number one in the league because if it was a passing offense that their best player is a running back. Yeah, because in all summer group chats are going to be mock drafting their fantasy drafts. And A. Chan's going to be one of the first five names mentioned. Okay. And right before A. Chan, I saw Mostert have 20. touchdowns before, like taking the carries from A. Chan right before that because of how interchangeable. This is, it's maddening to me. I understand it, but it's maddening to me that for 25

years the dolphins are starting over and you don't know any of their players. I, I, quite. Mike, you know I have one rule to live by, right? Don't place parlays on multiple long shots. Don't say a game is one when it hasn't hit triple zero. Always drink your Yeagermeister ice cold. That's the rule. Everything else is merely a suggestion. Everything. else? Everything else. Wearing clean underwear every day? Well, that's just a personal decision.

Brushing your teeth? Obviously smart, but not a rule. Never pee-p. on an electric fence. Okay, maybe there are two rules. But the one that is 100% that I insist on completely, Yeagermeister must be drank ice cold. Or don't drink it at all. Damn, that's cold.

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