The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 2: The Cowboy Hat Made of Bacon (feat. Roy Wood Jr.)

Episode Date: April 9, 2025

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This man is always doing a lot of exceptional work. Lonely Flowers is his special. It's on Hulu. It's a hit. You should watch it. A lot of people are saying it's perfect, that he and Bill Burr have the best comedy specials going at the moment. He also has a fun show, a news show.

Have I Got News for You on CNN and Max. And now he's doing Celebrity Jeopardy, and he's sitting courtside at a Knicks game with his idol Tom Joyner, so there's a lot to talk to him about. Also, he's sitting opposite a very bitter Grandpa Shack as he just takes out everyone in the league for some reason. By just sitting across from Roy, Shaq as he just takes out everyone in the league for some reason.

I just sitting across from Roy and then all of a sudden Shaq is just a cruiser. Everybody. You sat there Roy would junior across from Shaq and you thought what as he just let everyone in the league have it for some reason when you sat down opposite him. Here's the crazy thing about my episode on schnitz podcast that was the last 10 minutes of the podcast that we talked about

everything but basketball for our and then just at the end. Hey do you think big swill of all elbow win be in the mouth and knock his teeth out and make a quick and I was like a he played I didn't I just need to be quiet on this one. Like, I'm not sure if I completely agree, but this is not the place to disagree. I'll just put it that way. Like, you know, checks earn the right to take these shots. I don't know why he does it all the time.

I will say that. But, you know, it was fun to sit with him in his element. But you could tell just being right across from him that he really is annoyed with the way the game is being played currently I think that you probably I don't know how many times you've been around Shaq But this happens all the time around Shaq even my first time meeting him Okay So what did you do what everyone does about Shaq because you know going in there's a thing You know about Shaq that he's giant and yet still when people get next to him they're like god he's big like you know it

going in and you still don't you don't really actually know it yeah no it was it was it was cool to just talk basketball with him for a second but the way my question that i didn't get to in the room with them would have been like, everybody wants 90s basketball, but if you got 90s basketball without 90s referees, you're still like, Shaq will be teed up and tossed before the second quarter. If you're talking about Elbow and Wimby in the mouth and then taking Chet Holmgren to the hole every time. Like, I don't know if we're going to ever be able to play like that again.

Like, I wonder if aggression to a degree has been kind of legislated out, you know, and to everybody else's point on that podcast, you know, these kids now, like, there's no benefit to being the murderous killer death stare college basketball player anymore. That's gonna mess up your NIL money. Nobody's gonna let you do Experian tax app commercials if you're the mean growling person. So I don't know if that mentality will even exist in basketball at the lower levels than another five years, man.

Greg Cody has alleged here, and we haven't even gotten to this today, that Florida has ruined college basketball and the transfer portal has ruined college basketball. the transfer that the transfer portal has ruined college basketball. Yeah, not Florida. I mean, Florida is merely taking advantage of what the NCAA has allowed. But do you agree? I mean, we've had more than 2000 transfers just in this window. And it was I was afraid that was going to happen. I saw the little hiccup. I was afraid that was going to happen. I saw the little hiccup. I was afraid that was going to happen. He was coughing.

As I was going to him, he was coughing. And I saw on his face that he was about to cough. He was trying to muffle the cough, and it just became clear that he was not going to win that fight. Okay, I want to ask Roy that as much as it benefits the good teams, the rich get richer now because of the transfer portal, but it's been bad for the sport, I think, because it's just, it's chaotic now. You had players transferring from teams that made the Sweet 16 this year.

During the tournament, it just seems ridiculous to me. I think, I think, I don't know how you salary cap it per se, but I think that there's a very good way to keep this down. I think it was Carmelo Anthony on his podcast that said two-year minimums. But you know, he was, Melo was also talking about just take the student part out of it and just let these schools hire basically athletic mercenaries to play for them to represent the school. I do think that's the eventuality of where NIOL is headed in another 10 years if we don't

rein it in. But the idea of locking a student in for at least two years, if you transfer, I think it's something that's fair. I don't think, we're never gonna go back to the old days. So this idea of Mount St. Mary's, punching up and beating contests, done. That stuff's gone. Mount St. Mary's gotta get they money up

and figure out how to sell cocaine on the side of the university. I do feel like you have to keep the money in the sport that's fair to the kids. What's happening with NIL is that it's all of the outside cash and all of the outside influences that are changing all of this. When you got kids, Hawking and Carter, here's a bigger question about NIL. Has anybody been influenced to buy anything from any of these children you've seen on TV?

I'm not here to mess up your bag, but seeing Flau'jae Johnson tell me I can get my credit straight, I know my credit back, Flau'jae. Get your money, girl. But also, you weren't gonna influence me any more than the next person was to buy the thing. Nine times out of 10 is word of mouth.

So I think that college hoops is gonna become D1 and D2 in a sense, where you're gonna have have and have nots. And that's just what you gotta get used to. You just gotta hope that one school has a loyal dummy who doesn't transfer because his daddy went there, something stupid. Put it on the poll please at Lebatard Show. Does Mount St. Mary need to sell cocaine on the side

to keep up in the NIL game at LeBotard Show? Celebrity Jeopardy here, how do you prepare for it? How scared were you or not scared were you? We got the semi-finals tonight, I won last month. It's fine, because you're raising money. I'm raising money for ICME Incorporated, a nonprofit in Birmingham that promotes literacy in children.

If you can read, you don't go to jail. They got the statistics to prove it. So you're excited because you're helping people, but you also don't want to be the one that's embarrassed. I can't say whether or not I want or not tonight, but there was a question I got wrong that was extremely easy that I know tomorrow morning my social media mentions are going to... It's going to be some chit chat and accountability that's going to be needed for me for getting that particular question wrong.

You can't prepare for it. Either you're dumb or you're not. And it's too late to cram. Like, what are you going to do? Learn all the solar system moons of Jupiter before you get out there in front of Ken Jennings? And I tried to cram because I know my soft spots. Greek and Roman mythology because there's no reason for us to ever have learned that in the first place.

I'm not good with Shakespeare. I'm not good with the Bible. And I'm shaky on US vice presidents. Like when you get into Spiro Agnew, heads of chief of staffs, then who was the eighth dude on the Watergate tape, that type of stuff. They don't do that to the celebrities. It's always easier for the celebrities. I know.

And that's why I feel confident now. All I need to know is like what a raccoon is and recognize two statues because it's a lot of stupid celebrities. There really should be like you want to talk about tier one, tier two. There should be smart celebrity Jeopardy and then dummy celebrity Jeopardy. I want to ask you some follow-up questions

without getting you in trouble about your future embarrassment tomorrow. Surely contractually you could give us some hints about why and how you're embarrassed without betraying celebrity Jeopardy. I don't know if I can give away category. Can I give away? I'll say this.

I don't think you can. I need to know more geography. I'll just say that. And the thing about Jeopardy, Jeopardy tricks you because it's how they word the question and the amount of time you have to answer it and the pressure of it forces you to say something stupid. And it's not that you don't know it, it's that the way you worded the question confused me.

Like, it's like when you, I don't know, remember Dan, remember you come home late, three in the morning and your girl was like, so you were with the strippers? And you're like, what? What? Ah, so you were. Like, no, you didn't give me a chance to,

it's too late, you should've just said, were you at the strip club, yes or no. But they don't frame the question that way. They frame it in a way where your brain can't process it and then you look dumb and then strangers heckle you. I'll choke in those circumstances because you're not wrong that the pressure will get to you. You will know an answer and you will freeze up.

Yeah, yeah, but you know, it's fine. I was happy to do it. I had more fun at Jeopardy than I did will of fortune or Pyramid no, I have jeopardy's is that I have the most fun in jeopardy because will of fortune You're just setting up the next person to win and it's luck You got to hope they screw up and then you get to solve the puzzle. It's got to kind of fall in your lap Pyramid if you lose you're sitting across from the stranger who you cost 50K, and they're a little mad.

And, you know, like that I feel kind of bad about because that's not for charity. That's like a regular person who needs that money. So I didn't like the pressure of that. Is anything that you crammed for, did any single thing help you? No, but in the first round, they had historically black colleges

as one of the categories. An old brother I was licking my chops. It was Rosie Perez and white man can't jump. All the questions were coming up that she started. You must've been so happy. Dan, it would be like if you were on Celebrity Jeopardy and the category was Cuban stuff. Just a layup, just oh my God, it was beautiful.

Then the next category was chess, and all I do is play chess with my son, and I was just like, yes. I ran that damn, I ran those two categories back to back, start doubling and tripling down and double jeopardy, and that's how I won, man. Because I went to a black college, both of my parents graduated from a black college.

If I don't get these questions right, I have to leave the black race immediately. Did you look to your right and your left and have any other black people? Or were you like, was that? Phoebe Robinson, Phoebe Robinson was there too. And Phoebe got one of them right too. And I was like, good, make sure you get one right too

so that they know you know something. You know, you gotta let Phoebe get one too. So black people will be watching. I don't know if there's any other race of people that are under more pressure on a queer show than black people to be accountable to their own race when it is a topic inherent to their race. Like as a black man on Jeopardy answering questions about black colleges, I'll be an

article in Essence magazine. Like they will slander. So I don't know if any other race has that type of, like if you're an Italian and the category is tomato sauces, like is that pressure? I don't know, that felt racist, but you get what I'm trying to say.

It does seem like pressure, but also something that you were excited by. If one of your team captains from Have I Got News for you, Amber Ruffin, she was supposed to do the White House Correspondents Dinner and they announced that they pulled the offer. Have you talked to her about this and what do you say to her and what happened there? We made a mention on it on the most recent episode and what Amber said on our show was essentially

that she intended to go at both sides, but as the country started to devolve, she felt like it was hard to ignore people getting sent to El Salvador and the recession and the measles out. She just felt like there were so many things going on that to oscillate looks both ways. She had no interest in doing that anymore. She wanted to laser focus on the administration and the correspondence people, you know, they

said, well, we can't have you do that. And once that was clear and in the open, Amber said that she just would respectfully pull out of it. Because I think the thing, you know, everybody calls the press corps, you know, cowards for their decision to not have a comedian there, to not hit both sides. But I really feel like in a way they're in a rock and a hard place. Is it a sucker decision? Yeah, I think so.

But I also think that what's not being considered is the potential backlash on the backside from the Trump administration to the White House pool reporters who were there who were supposed to be honoring and celebrating. They're probably going gonna lose access, potentially. If you dare hold this event where they trash me, I'm gonna give you less access to me on the backside of that.

And then this whole idea of accountability and calling out what's going on, how much are you compromising your ability as a journalist to hold this administration accountable for the next three and a half years if you let Amber get up there and tell them jokes. And you don't know that. And so that's the juggling act that I think they were weighing. I hate that comedy was removed because comedy is the way that you get people to pay attention

to all of the other stuff that you want honored and celebrated on that day. But the event at this court is about honoring journalism so I just hope that we're able to still bring some attention to the people. But you know I stand with Amber, I support my co-hosts you know a million percent over. But that's just a it's a rock and a hard place right now. And it's funny because you know I always thought Republicans were the ones that could take a joke but I guess not. You hosted that event though so what was your level of disappointment and her level of disappointment because you know what uh you hosted that event though. So what was your level of disappointment and her level of disappointment? Because you know what?

Uh, yeah, that, that event's a giant event for a comedian. Yeah. But keep in mind, I did the event under Biden. So that was a little bit easier in terms of is this a room that's ready to laugh? And can you attack both sides? It's like, yeah, I could. I mean, there were still kids in cages, but other than that, you can still find the laughs around the chaos in that administration.

There was, it's a room where at best you're only gonna get half the room at any given time because the other half can't laugh because they don't think you're funny or they're sitting with their boss that you made the joke about. So it's already a weird room to begin with. And I think also, I think part of why the correspondence

dinner works is because Republicans and elected officials all show up from both sides. So also keep in mind when Amber stepped out, when they rescinded the offer from Amber, Trump was talking about doing his own competing event the same night. So if you have no Republicans in the room and you have someone on stage that's only bashing Republicans,

then they're gonna be able to flip and use that politically to do whatever they want to control the narrative about what the media, the messaging in media. So it's a slippery thing, man. So how do you do both sides if both sides aren't even in the room? You know that kind of removes the roast the roast element of it requires you to be here because I have to do this to your face. Put us next to you at the next game where you're court side with your idol Tom

Joyner or one of your idols. What was happening here? Where does this rank in terms of honors and privileges that you have gotten as a perk in your career? I grew up on the school bus listening to the Tom Joyner morning show. And you know, for what Tom Joyner did over his 30 years in syndicated radio, just taking money from his foundation, putting kids through college.

I think when he retired in 2016, 2017, I think the number was like 30 or 40,000. Like you could take every person that received money for college from Tom Joyner and fill a professional sports stadium with, like to be able to just sit next to him. Never got a chance to work with him, but to just sit and listen to stories of his time

and to a skee-gee on the radio, to his time, and listen to stories of his time and to husky on the radio to his time and every wild story from his world famous Tom Joyner cruises which is how he raises the money for his foundation that was I mean next to next to catching a game with my father which I'll never be able to do it was it was it was really dope man it really was. Did you have any idea that that's the outfit that he would wear and did you have any commentary about the outfit that he was wearing? Being that floral sweatsuit, I'm sure,

cost more than my salary at CNN. I will simply say, nice outfit, Mr. Joyner. That's all I will say. There's certain outfits where it looks so, it just looks so expensive, you can't even say nothing about it. You just go, I would never wear it. But it's a great Bruce Bruce would say,

it looks good on you. But what were you thinking? I mean, I know what you had to say, but what were you thinking, Roy? He just told us. Damn, that's a lot of flowers, Tom Jordan. A lot of damn flowers. Lonely Flowers is the name of his Hulu special.

Roy, I have a question for you. So we were talking about you courtside at the Knicks game. Tracy Morgan recently returned to sitting courtside. The last time he was there, he threw up all over the court. He had to be taken out, he had a medical issue. If you threw up all over the court, how long would it take for you to feel comfortable in going back to sitting courtside? I don't know if I return that season. I don't know if I return at all that season, but Tracy Morgan is like the

unofficial mascot of the Knicks. Like it's Tracy and Spike Lee, I guess to a degree, so you got to have both of them back in the game. I'm just glad that when it happened with Tracy, like immediately there was caring concern about him and his health and making sure he's recovering. Cause we weren't always like that as a society. Like if you had a public health episode, we would just say crack.

We would just assume crack and just say you're a crack head and he's a drunk. And I feel like we finally progressed as a society to a point where we can just guess maybe it's Ozampic. What if you had to go though, what if you were a Knicks fan, what if you had to go in order for them to win and you had to throw up every time? Because when he said he was like, oh I had food poisoning, but the Knicks are one and oh, when I throw up on the court now, how many times would you go back and keep doing it? You know what I thought for sure?

I thought for sure they were gonna take like his vomit and put it in like little souvenir vials. Yeah, you have to. And then like, call that like the vomit game or something. I was checking the stats to see what the Knicks record was post-vomit, but it's not solid enough to directly point to the vomit being a catalyst for them getting things, getting momentum going into the playoffs. I think if Tracy Morgan had to vomit every home game for the Knicks to win, I think he

would happily come out there and ruin his stomach lining for the team. It's like the Grimace Mets, but way worse. He is built like Grimace. I love you Tracy. A top one of one vomit insert, that would be amazing. I want some honesty from you on this. While you were talking, Chris Cody said to me, he's like, never has there been a larger golf between 1A and 1B than Spike Lee and Tracy Morgan.

I feel like what happened to you is you said Tracy Morgan and then you remembered Spike Lee and you're like, ah. I made the mistake of making Tracy the mascot. It's Spike, yes. It's Spike, it's Spike. It's Spike. It's Spike. It's Spike.

It's Spike. It's Spike. No, because here's the thing. You get on this show and talk and then I'm just thinking of what the comments would be. What about Spike? How you forget Spike Lee? You ain't black.

That's why when you was on Jeopardy, you missed that question about geography. Man, I hate black people. And then it's, then I'm in an Essence Magazine article, and then it just go, oh, the griot is talking about me going, Roy Wood disrespects Spike Lee, and then it's all awkward.

Well, I also think that you're racist because you put Tracy Morgan ahead of Ben Stiller. Ben Stiller don't even stand up during the game. He can't be the mascot. He's a super fan. I'll give Ben Stiller credit because he was checking the score at award shows. So that's a diehard fan.

But Ben Stiller ain't standing up like Spike Lee with his hand on his hips like a black mama on the porch looking for her child. Show me that picture and I'll correct myself. Wow, doubling down. Show me that, you remember when Spike was standing like this? Man, my camera's housing.

You know the picture, it's the legendary Spike picture. Yeah, show me Ben Stiller like that and I'll say Ben Stiller's the mascot of the Knicks. Until then, it's Spike Lee, Tracy Morgan, 1D. Do you have a signature semi-sure bet of the week for us or do we have to wait until next time? Let's wait until next time. I will say that I like what the Cubs have been doing in spite of their record. There are a couple games above 500, it's a little early, but their third in the league can run score per average right now and I think that they're doing that without the torpedo

bats like if I'm not mistaken the Cubs yeah there we go the Cubs got 84 runs this see most runs scored not average most runs scored Yankee 78 Cardinal 66 so the Cubs are hitting the ball good you just need the pitching to come together a little bit so just put your money put your money on them right now. All right, so it'll have to wait till next time, but you gave us a little sweetener you gave us. Lonely Flowers is streaming now on Hulu. Have I Got News for you, you should watch it.

It's CNN and Max, it's streaming the next day on Max after it's on CNN. You should go to Roywoodjr.com for his latest tour dates and information. Thank you, sir. It's always good seeing you. Love y'all. Thank you, Roy.

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Something? Okay no the home run call was that kind of swing that kind of thing. Stugats. Oh it's a good call. Thank you and plus it doesn't matter who's hitting it like you're not tailing it to a particular name. You know all that jazz you know you don't gotta do that. Right, that would be a great call. That kinda swing, that kinda thing. This is the Don Lebatar Show with the Stugats. I wanna get to a couple of sounds here real quick. I'm told that we have a Gas Bag of the Week and I'm very excited for the return of Gas

Bag of the Week and it needs some context here, Stugots, because you love your New York Sports Radio and Jameis Winston did a fairly benign thing of thanking Cleveland for his time there. So the Giants currently have Russell Wilson and Jameis on their roster. And Jameis, weeks after being signed with the Giants, decided I'm gonna thank Cleveland. He wrote a nice letter. The part that people got a little up in arms about,

he says, one moment I'll never forget, beating the Pittsburgh Steelers on Thursday night football in what turned out to be the most iconic snow game in NFL history. The energy, the emotion, the unity, we all felt it that night in Cleveland, was Cleveland at its finest. That is just a harmless paragraph.

Is it benign? Really? Or is it disrespecting NFL history? So now Giants- There's one snow game. Giants Radio, I think it's Evan and Tiki in New York, they have a producer, Sean Morash, they let the producers talk, that's crazy.

Sean Morash, a producer for that show, was not happy with Jameis Winston for that letter. If you like the idea that Jameis Winston makes you laugh and do all, that's all good and plenty. Jameis Winston stinks, okay? and I bet adamant about this the idea that now you know the situation He could have penned this on a clean before the Yankees the Giants even signed Russell Wilson, he's so good, man He puts it in there because he knows anybody reading that is good

There's gonna be light bulbs that go off in people's heads that he beat Russell Wilson head-to-head Oh a line and calling it the most iconic game So now here we go You already start to divide a fan base a little bit and like you said what it was the lead yesterday The lead on this show yesterday was Evan Roberts turning the Tiki barber saying is there a chance a locker room rallies around? Jameis Winston this guy is in unintentional cancer. Cut him today! Oh, come on. Cut him today!

Come on. He's not better than Russell Wilson. The team should be taking a quarterback in the draft, and Tommy DeVito still exists. Why is he here? He's here to throw interceptions and God rescues from pick sixes. I'm glad everybody thinks the Giants

can be the chuckle hunt. I'm tired of being a joke, and James Winston is causing this team to be more of a goddamn joke. 20 share. I think that's a good take. Just a week. Cut him today.

And Tommy DeVito still exists. That was a sentence. I can't believe you can say goddamn on that show. Yeah, that's crazy. On FAA, that's great. That's known in your audience. I do think James Winston, if he's on your team, he annoys you.

If he's not on your team, you love him. I do. I believe that. Yes. I mean, he's not that good. I can also see the opposite. Yes, I think you can. I think he throws so many interceptions.

I don't think that Stugats has the accurate appraisal here on what the James Winston experience is. You can only love James Winston if he's not on your team. He's never been on my team, but one thing that I usually don't like out of my quarterbacks are loads of interceptions. 30 interceptions in a season. That's a good way to lose me.

And fumbles. Put it on the poll, At LeBotard Show has an NFL quarterback ever had the personality to overcome 30 interceptions in a season because James is trying. He's closer than most in both categories because I can you guys find me because football has changed so much. So I don't know if Dan Fouts had a 30 interception season although

but just the the idea that in the age where Aaron Rodgers perfected the idea of The quarterback cannot turn the ball over to have a quarterback who had 30 interceptions in a season in that age Is totally insane. It's the kind of reckless that is just absurd. The most fouls had in a single season was 24. 24 interceptions. Most of the, I guess like the top 10 of this list of most interceptions are pre-ENFL merger. Like there are some from the eighties,

but a lot of George Blanda, 42 in one season. Wow. Good contribution. That is, uh, Vinnie Testaverde, 35. Vinnie the T, U.M. Go Canes. Frank Capuca. Vinnie the T? Yeah, that's what I call him.

Yeah, I covered him. George Blanda, also his era. Well, not quite. Sid Luckman, your era. Yeah, Sid Luckman. George Blanda also his era. Well, not quite. Sid Luckman, your era. Sid Luckman. Exactly. Otto Graham, oh the G. You saw that the NFL has to acknowledge, well they made a ruling that they're going to acknowledge the 1940s, and so now Tom Brady is tied in rings with Otto Graham.

Really? Yeah, overnight the Browns became. Oh, that idea, good call. Overnight the Browns became like the third most winningest franchise in NFL history. Maybe not so much anymore. Greg, do you know who Ron Burgundy is? Yes.

The broadcaster from the movies. Go on, keep going. Played by? When it's so good you don't know the movies. Go on, keep going. Played by? When it's so good you don't know the actor. Right. You just know the character. He truly transformed himself into Ron Burgundy. Yeah, the SNL guy.

Tracy Morgan. When I say to you that Kevin Harlan, one of the great broadcasters, had a Ron Burgundy moment, and the only reason I quizzed you on this is because you're famously not someone who knows about movies on the greg cody show featuring greg cody would do a segment in which you talk about how little you know about movies in your sons make fun of you so when i say that kevin harland had a ron burgundy moment

do you know what i mean i don't know i and I've seen that movie and I enjoyed it, but I don't know that there's a moment associated with the Burgundy character. So Ron Burgundy was obviously famously dumb, Anchorman, and he read the teleprompter, just read it without actually absorbing, Stugatz does some of this, without retaining the words, and so what he did obviously was

spectacularly broadcaster wrong because they put something in the prompter that was meant to embarrass him and he just read it. Stugats did this in the last segment with weekend observations when he read a top five list that he thought he was going to be reading on Tuesday that had Roy in it and could not edit it on the spot to take Roy out and put me into it. You were still number two on Tuesday, I'm telling you. Who was the actual number two? Me.

Also, Dan, not on this list, okay? Oh. Oops. Yeah, that's okay. I was happy to be five. You're great at what you do though. I'm honored. You're welcome.

You guys have been congratulating each other here recently because you just informed Stugatz that he was number eight on the list of Little upset, I gotta be honest. Best 100 guests you've ever had. Yeah, my top 100 guests. Dan, unfortunately, just missed the top 10. We mentioned earlier, Zach Thomas, he's number 68 on Greg Cody's show Top 100 Guests of All Time,

just ahead of Billy Gill at 69. But if his name was Zach Erlacher, I think he'd be top 30. You know what you got that right? That's true. That's true He was in her lacquer magic put it on the pole, please at Levitard show would Zach Thomas be more highly regarded if his name was Zach Erlacher At Levitard show but here is so can harland's exceptional what he does but here is uh... his ron burgundy moment tonight from adison square garden the nba on tnc is brought to you by the new crispy tenders

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