The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 2: The Girl Dad Girl ™ (feat. Elle Duncan & Aram Leighton)

Episode Date: July 24, 2025

Elle Duncan is here for a game of Elle Yes or Elle No, but not before she explains how people recognize her and breaks down the silliness of what we get outraged about. Plus, The Pitch Clock returns. Chris goes for a 4-peat over Jeremy in Taylor's Trivia, and Aram Leighton joins as this week's analyst to talk Brewers and some names to watch at next week's Trade Deadline. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This is the Dan LeBattor Show with the StuGuts Podcast. You know what's funny about what just happened out there? A good friend of mine who's visiting the studios here, he just walked through and he was looking at stuff and somebody mentioned L. Duncan. And he doesn't really know about sports, follow sports, isn't aware of what we'd be doing around here. And when the name L. Duncan was said,

he said the girl, the girl dad, like didn't have a reference point for anything else, but knows her as a connecting human moment somewhere between when the helicopter fell out of the sky and Kobe Bryant died, and we all learned what a wonderful girl dad he was. L. Duncan is associated with that in a way I want to get to with her,

as Tyrese Halliburton is saying. He's being quoted as saying that he wanted to walk onto the free throw line and walk off the court the way Kobe did, but that his body wouldn't let him. And then he's like, how the hell did Kobe shoot free throws after that? Like, how did he get up off the ground and actually do that that's the stuff that immortals do. Elle thank you for joining us it's always nice when you

do join us but as it as that moment resonated the story I just told that's pretty normal for you correct somewhere in your entire career being meaningful and moving to people you connected with people there in a way that's hugely enduring, correct? Yeah, it's actually, it's interesting too, because sometimes people, like if someone does know me from sports, like they'll come up and they'll, you know,

be talking to me about sports. And then I'll hear them say to the person next to them, who's like, who the hell is this? They'll be like, the girl, dad, girl. And they'll be like, oh, you know, as a connection point, even after it happened, like I'd go to the grocery store and it would be like moms that would come up to me

that are like, I don't really know you from sports at all, but my husband shared this clip of you about girl dad. There are certainly, you know, worse things to be known for. And so it's definitely one of those, it's just, it's wild to me, Dan, to see even all of these years later, I mean, I shared that story in 2020, and every time someone has a baby, it's a girl dad.

Every time someone has to apologize, it's, you know, I'm a girl dad. It's just interesting how it's really taken on a life of its own and it endures. What do you remember, though, about all of it? Like the moment and having any idea of where it is that you were speaking on behalf of people. You've got no idea when you're doing that, oh, here's a way for me to connect with humanity.

At all. I was just, honestly, I was just sharing a story with one of our producers at ESPN about the time I met Kobe because he had just died and I was doing Sports Center that day. And he was like, you should tell that story. I was like, I don't know Kobe. We're watching Tracy McGrady open his heart up and he's visibly upset.

We're watching all these people that really knew Kobe. So I felt like maybe it was, you know, sometimes when people die, you insert yourself into the conversation. I remember, I remember. And so I just felt like maybe it wasn't appropriate. And he was like, no, I just think it humanizes him in a way that has nothing to do with sports. And we're hearing a lot about his sports impact, but like, this is a really cool moment that you had with them. And honestly, at the time when I talked with him about it,

it stood out to me because, you know, if Kobe wasn't on your team, like, if you're not a Lakers fan, like you sports hated Kobe, he would always hurt your teams. And it was like devastating. And he was, and I left that conversation with him and I called my mom and I was like, I think I really like Kobe Bryant. She was like, what? I was like, I think I really like him. He's like a great dude.

And we just had this great connection. And, and, um, so then when it happened, I went to bed that night cause I did the 6pm sports center, but I had to do the 7am sports center the next day. So I went to bed at like 10pm and I woke up and I had 250 text messages. And the first thing I thought, cause y'all know my mouth, I was like, oh, what did I do? Like, what did I say?

Oh no, I'm in trouble. And then I just started seeing these people that were like, do you understand what Girl Dad is becoming? And do you understand like what's happening? And obviously it just kind of took off from there, but it was all very surreal because it was just such a devastating time.

But I think it helped people compartmentalize and feel like they had a connection point to Kobe. Like they could never understand what it would be like to be Kobe Bryant, but they could understand what it was like to have such a love for your daughters. More or less text messages after the Cancun joke. I definitely had less text messages. My thing with the Cancun joke. I definitely had less text messages. My thing with the Cancun joke is I feel like whenever I say something, it's like sometimes

like a reintroduction for some people who clearly don't know me or my work over the last 10 years. I'm like, bro, I said on air one time that if you celebrate too early, it's called premature on jackdulation. Like I can't actually imagine that this is worse than that. Like I feel like I constantly have to remind people. I have been saying things like this for the 10 years that I've been at ESPN. So I thought it was silly. I thought it was funny. Some people disagree. Some people definitely agree, but you know, it is what it is. Like, yes,

girls say crude jokes too. The funny part to me y'all has been like the people who are like, what am I supposed to say to my children? I'm like, well, if you have to talk to your children about the fact that D is a slang word for a penis, then I hope that I was able to help you have that conversation with your child that's old enough to watch basketball. Because like my four year old knows what a penis is. So Schmechel. Yeah. Ding four year old knows what a penis is. So.

Shmeckle? Yeah. Ding dong. I mean, it's deep. It's so silly to me. Like it's so, we like, the idea that like this is, you know, groundbreaking or somehow like completely inappropriate

and the landscape that we live in right now is just wild to me. I was a little blown to be real. I think that when we're in an age where Obama's being accused of treason, an age of stupidity, accused of treason to cover everything that he's covering up, it does actually make sense that people would be outraged and up in arms that you would make a dick joke. Yeah, it makes total sense to me. I personally think it's a double standard,

but it is what it is. I also think that there is a disingenuous faction of the media who look for any reason to get me fired or any reason to rage bait, they just wait. And I think those are the people that had probably the strongest reaction. I was surprised, excuse me, I'm sorry to interrupt you. I was surprised the other day that,

and look, this has been happening to me for a while too, but when I'm like, ah, the Shane Gillis monologue, yeah, I know everyone liked it, but hey girl, like that's not nicest thing you can do to gay people. Am I wildly offended? No, but whatever, like I get yanked into the stream and now it becomes the argument that it becomes, LeBittard criticizes espies

when I'm like, this is what we're doing now? Like I'm just, yeah, it can be funny and he's funny, he's obviously funny, but like, it's not, I mean, call Anthony Towns, you don't need to do that to him or gay people. Yeah, as soon as you say like a joke, I felt, you know, more of the outrage in my space was around the Caitlin Clark joke.

I felt like it was a joke that didn't land, you know? I felt like his first joke was really funny about they both nail threes. I thought the other one just didn't really land. I thought it was like punching down a little bit. It's like very easy to pick on this sort of narrative and discourse that has surrounded the W for the last two years.

It just felt lazy to me. But I like Shane Gillis. I think he's really funny. And I think his show Tires is really funny. And that's apparently an unpopular opinion too, to be able to have some nuance and say some of his jokes were funny, some of them weren't so funny and didn't land.

It's as simple as that. I think the nuance here is that a lot of people are more than comfortable telling Carl Anthony Townes that he should be offended by it because they're making assumptions of their own on Carl Anthony Townes. I think Shane Gillis is seizing on something that is a popular meme across the internet

about how Carl Anthony Towns speaks. And for people to come out on behalf of Carl Anthony Towns and say that it's lazy, well, I say here's a mirror. Yeah, I'm with you, yeah. There was a whole social media clip that was going around of Knicks fans imitating Carl Anthony Towns, and they all said it. All of them were like, hey, girl.

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Stugats! Hers is better than mine. In the fifth Seagaki! How is the fifth Seagaki better than the third and the fourth Seagaki already? This is the Don Lebatar Show with the Stugats! Well, tell us because you live in this world now. You have become an avatar and politicized. You are very strong. You've been very strong for a long time and you're now doing vibe check, which is, I'm

going to say, unlike anything in the history of ESPN and maybe Disney, do I have that wrong? Yeah, no, it's the first women-led sports show. I mean, it's the first sports show on Disney Plus. You know, we have SC Plus that joined a while ago and now it's us. I think it's, listen, I think it is a really cool opportunity to show, we've got, and you know this, Dan,

like we have a lot of really talented women that work at ESPN that do a great job at their role, but also role specific don't necessarily get to stretch as many muscles or so as many tools as they have. So this just gives us an opportunity to talk and expound this idea though, that it was going to be, you know, one of the things that we all were very clear on from the beginning was like, it's going to skew female because the perspectives are coming from women, but we're gonna talk about all sports. It's not gonna just be,

we're gonna be more of a home for women's sports because that home doesn't exist currently right now. But we're also going to like, we talked to Mina Kimes yesterday, right? She in my mind, gender aside, is the brightest mind in all of football. Like I wanna talk to her about football all the time, it doesn't really matter.

And so yeah, but it's, you know, again, it's the sort of, the weird part of all of this is the randos that are just sort of waiting on this to fail. It's like, you know, like they're just waiting. They're like, I didn't see you last week on vibe check, so you must have got fired. And it's just, it's so bonkers to me. It's the same

group in the same population who are outraged that the WNBA players are asking for more money. They're not asking for money from you, dummy. They didn't ask you for to Venmo them. Like, why do you give a damn if they get more money? It doesn't mean anything to you. It doesn't matter to you and you don't care. You just lay in wait so that you can be nasty and so that you can pray for someone's demise. It's the wackiest, goofiest behavior and it's pervasive. Why? Because I think it's open season on women.

I think in particular it's open season on black women. Like they feel like a non-protected class. So it's very easy to be able to sort of just, you know, again, low hanging fruit. It's very easy to target someone like me. I'm for the most part not gonna clap back because I don't really care. And I think that's just sort of the trend that we're seeing. I see a lot of women that I work with

that are feeling incredibly, unsafe's not really the word, but they're feeling very unprotected because it's the time right now, it's trendy right now to dunk on women, you know? I don't know exactly where that started. I have some, I have some, some, some, I think tells them where it started.

I know that as black women, after Kamala Harris lost, not to be political, but after she lost, there really was a, the group chats were going crazy with just black women in general that were like, this feels like it's going to sort of be a trend of being able to feel like now we can, like black women are being put back in their place. And I think women in general, like let's put them back in their place. They're getting a little too cute. They're, they're, they're doing a little bit too much in this space. So we need to remind them

that they should be grateful for what they have and that they're not really wanted here anyway. But you know, I think that's horseshit. I can't tell you how much I love that you rub your hands together while saying that that way, like just eager to sort of explain to us, look, do you know how shitty this has been for black women? And again, again, we're going to this really, really, we've got to fight everyone. What is the correct take on the WNBA's collective bargaining agreement situation? The correct take is that, you know, for all of the bad faith characters are saying things

like they've never been profitable, they've never this. I would beg you to say at the company that you work for, okay, profitability is the concern of the CFO, the CEO, the board members. Imagine your company coming to you and going, you know, we're not really profitable, so we really don't want to pay you. That's not how this works at all.

And the idea of where this is headed, we see the growth. CBAs are negotiated every six, seven, eight years, right? So like, they have got to negotiate right now based on where they're going to be eight years from now. And the numbers don't lie, y'all. They don't lie. Three years ago, when the Golden State Valkyries bought their team, it was a $50 million expansion fee.

Three years later, that fee went up to $250 million that three teams paid for to expand in the W and that number is only going to grow. So you're talking about outlooking and forecasting where this league is going to be. And the idea that you don't think that these women should be paid more money is absolutely bananas to me. Again, it doesn't impact you. It doesn't affect you. People keep comparing them to the NBA. They have a 50 year headstart.

Y'all stop it. They're not asking for NBA money. They're not asking for 30, 40, $50 million a year. They're asking for money commensurate to where their forecasts are going to be eight years from now. Period. And so the correct, in my mind, the correct answer here is pay these women what they're worth. You can't argue the fact that NFL players get 50% of revenue and they get somewhere between like 7 and 10%. That just doesn't make any sense. So that's what they're negotiating in good faith. They're negotiating for consistency and practice facilities. It's all the things that you don't see.

Angel Reese, I talked to her the other day and she's like, she's bold enough to call out her own team and say like, the Chicago sky won a championship a handful of years ago. We don't even have a practice facility. Like this is not okay. And so there needs to be a through line. There needs to be some consistency about how we're treating these women, how much we're paying them, which is the sticking point really, but also some consistency

in rosters, how many players they can get on the team because they keep expanding. They keep making more games and they don't keep expanding rosters, which is why we're seeing so much fatigue, so many more injuries. Like these things matter and are important. And anybody that's a fan or not a fan should be on board for people getting paid. Like how you side on the side of a billionaire corporation or a league corporation is so wild to me as an everyman. The only people that should feel like these women shouldn't get paid is the league, because it's in their best interest to try to keep them, you know, making as less money as possible so that their profit margins are larger. It just doesn't make sense.

I really need to turn the temperature down around here because she's screaming at me. She yelled something about bullshit. She's out of control again. Horseshit. Horseshit. I really need to settle it down. Jeremy, can you give me a game show of some sort that helps me settle her down because she's out of control, she's cursing on air, she's gonna get in trouble with the network. It's time for another edition of L. Yes or L. No. I get it.

L. Duncan, it is okay to take your first date to Pizza Hut. L yes or L no? Okay, I actually love Pizza Hut so much and Pizza Hut's are becoming rarer and rarer by the day. So if you can find a Pizza Hut that does the formal like checkered tablecloth, Ms. Pac-Man salad bar, absolutely, L yes. That's huge news for your guy Greg Cody

because that's exactly what he did on his very first date. Tell him the whole thing. But this is the other part, L, it is okay on the first date to sit on the same side of the booth. Absolutely not, L no, no, no, no. It's so invasive.

I didn't even have to finish. It's so invasive, no, no. I had so invasive. I didn't even have to finish. It's so invasive. No, no. I had someone do that to me. I was so thrown off. It's very, very invasive. I don't, and it's, I just know like you're being a little presumptuous too that I want

to sit next to you. I don't even know you. Like it's no, nope. El yes or el no. No, no, no. That was great. No, no, no. That was great.

Greg Cody, on the first date, Greg Cody took his wife to Pizza Hut. Yes. And sat next to Earline. And they got married. But he thought he was being romantic. And she thought he was being creepy. Yes. That's creepy.

I'm glad it all worked out for you in the long run. But sitting next to someone on a first date's wild behavior. It created me. Yes. That's not it working out. Yeah, gross. It's an insult. Hi, Greg. It's an insult to tell someone

they have a soda drinker's body. I mean, come on. Come on. I'm not afraid. Come on. What are you laughing at? What are you laughing at? Oh, who said that? Hell yes, that's so horrible. That's awful.

A mean person said it. Very mean. Give me an athlete who looks like they've got a soda drinker's body when I just ask you to conjure any athlete that you have to choose from who has a soda, or celebrity. Just who do you think of when you think of soda drinker's body?

What body type are you looking at? Like jelly roll. I mean, I know he's done a great job losing a lot of weight, but I would say he still looks like he takes down a gallon of Coke a day. Tony, argue with her. He's got nice teeth. The issue is that that's two on the other side. But I would say he still looks like he takes down a gallon of coke a day I don't Tony argue with her Are you the issue is that that's two on the other side like we need somebody more in the middle, right?

Like I said, George niang now, that's a soda drinker's body somebody who you know professional Yeah, we had Kevin Euclid like skinny fat Patrick Mahomes. There you go. So to drink her He yeah, he he definitely looks like a Mountain Dew guy Like he's just like yeah, and then he does the thing where he's like, but it's diet Mountain Dew, which is somehow better in their mind. My brother, you said skinny fat. My brother always used the phrase fit fat.

And he always would like, he would just, he would celebrate in the streets watching somebody. But these people were deeply unhealthy, unhealthy. Like they were living a lifestyle that was good enough to make them fit, but everything else they were doing was wrong. Yes, I used to work at a restaurant and I worked at a wing place and like just to see the orders

they'd be like, I want cheese steaks, I want chicken fingers, I want wings, I want fries and I'll have a diet Coke please and it has to be diet. It would just be so wild to me. They've convinced themselves that the couple grams of sugar that they're saving is just gonna have nothing to do with all the other crap they're eating.

Chris, bring down the bed for a second. I got another one I wanna do with you. Oh, is this a serious one? Yeah, this is a real one. L yes or L no. It is okay to pronounce this name this way. Is nika ogumake. What? Is nika Ogumake. What?

Is Nika Ogumake. Now that's supposed to be Nneka Ogumuke. Is Nika Ogumake. Is Nika Ogumake. Nika Ogumake? Is Nika Ogumake. Okay, first of all, her name is actually Namkati, but yes, she goes affectionately by Nneka. That's wild, because my thing is like,

I've definitely had some names that have tripped me up, like they just throw them at you last minute, you got to do a highlight, and you're like, I don't know that much about the third circuit of cricket, so I don't know this person's name and I apologize. But Nneka Ogumake is like a former MVP and the president of the Players Association in like Stanford's Hall of Fame and a champion.

So I don't know how you don't know her name. That's crazy. Is Neko Ogumake. Thank you, David Sampson. We don't dare play any of David Sampson's Spanish for her, right, how good is your Spanish? Elle, good seeing you. Thank you as always for making time for us.

Sports Center host, host of ESPN's Vibe Check. Vibe Check is every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, 5 p.m. Eastern, exclusively on Disney Plus. You can't be on enough, Elle. Thank you for being on with us. Thank you, bye Greg. Oh hey, what's up Greg? Chris Cody has not let go of that yet.

He is still mad at her because she called him Greg. Jeremy's pitch clock is coming up. Have you enjoyed that Zazzlo? Have you been consuming a lot of pitch clock? Can I tell you something? I don't know, maybe like a month ago. And I decided to watch pitch clock and I told Jeremy, this is a good show you're doing! Don LeBretard! It sounds to me like everybody could use a hug because a hug is always the right size. Stugats.

All I have put in my body today is three cups of coffee and an entire cup of honey. Don't let him fool you. He said in the break that he's jittery. This is the Don Lebatard show with the Stugats. ["Stugats Theme Song"] Welcome to the Pitch Clock. Here's the pitch. A two-part baseball segment combining a nostalgic baseball trivia game and an interview with

an expert. This is the Pitch Clock. It's time for another episode of The Pitchclaw! Hi, Robeta! Taylor, we have another game. We'll get to our expert very shortly, but let's get started on this. Taylor, what do we got going today? In front of you guys, you have the 2002 MLB All-Star Game and the starters at each position.

We're going to do a new format for this game each guess You make is a half inning. So we're gonna play nine innings Chris is going to be the home team. Jeremy is the road team the highest total after the nine innings is the winner So Jeremy, this is this is considered the top of the first inning your your guess This is considered the top of the first inning. Your guess. Behind the Dish in the National League, Mike Piazza. One point, that is correct. National League first base Rockies, Todd Helton.

One one after one inning. Nobody guesses Todd Helton more in these games than me. Yeah, for real. Playing right field in the National League for the San Francisco Giants, Barry Bonds. Wow, so it's smart of you to realize that good outfield, even though he was a left fielder. It is Barry Bonds.

I will say the outfield isn't really player specific. Okay, that's good to know. Or position specific. No, that's very good to know. We got that from Barry Bonds, who was clearly a left fielder. Yeah, very good to know. Okay, you're up.

Catching for the American League, Jorge Posada. Hip hip Jorge, two two after two. What we have listed as left fielder but probably played right field in the National League for the Chicago Cubs, Sammy Sosa. Yes, correct. 2002, I'm just gonna stay safe.

Ichiro, right field. Mariners, whatever, you got it. It is correct, Ichiro is the Mariner. And the Minnesota Twin playing center field is Torrey Hunter. Was this the one where he robbed Barry? Was this in Milwaukee? No, but yes. My turn. Bottom of the fourth Milwaukee? No, but yes. My turn.

Bottom of the fourth. Alex Rodriguez, short stop. Texas Rangers. That is correct. AL. Four, four after four. This one feels like first one to miss. Yeah, it does a little bit.

Could do, yeah. Our 2025 MLB expert for this week has actually joined me in studio. It's Aram Leighton of Just Baseball. Thank you for joining me here in studio in Miami. This is an honor and it's awesome to be here in person. This is gonna be a blast. And where I wanna start is with a team that

if you're not following major league baseball really in depth, the Milwaukee Brewers all of a sudden over the last month, month and a half, have been playing out of their minds on the type of pace that people thought the Dodgers would be on. They even swept the Dodgers in that stretch. Analytically, you would never think that this is one of the best teams in baseball. Can you explain to me how this is happening? Yeah, I think they play old school baseball in a new school way, which I really like, because there may not be something that jumps off the page with them,

but you'd be hard pressed to poke a hole in their game, whether it's on the pitching side, defensively they're fantastic, offensively, I mean, they're not gonna light it up, but they're still middle of the pack in home runs, and then they steal as many bags as just about any team in Major League Baseball. I think they're the new gold standard, really,

of being efficient and analytically driven in ways that people outside can't really see because we would have the same conversation about the race. Yeah, no, it makes all the sense in the world, right? Every team has access to the same data. Are trying to find ways to not only interpret that data differently and be able to find players within the margins, but then also teach to what they believe

the most important strengths are in developing their players. And now you're seeing it come to fruition with the Milwaukee Brewers and literally they are the best team in baseball, which makes no sense. And ironically, the other one being the Tigers for the most part, same sort of deal. That back end of that bullpen last year, it was the reason they were able to go on that run,

and you're seeing the Brewers do some similar things. But I wanna talk to you a little bit about the upcoming MLB trade deadline. Which team in baseball do you think needs to be the most aggressive at this trade deadline to turn themselves from a very good team into a legitimate contender? I look at the Chicago Cubs,

because I think it's multifaceted too, right? The second you traded for Kyle Tucker, you gave up some good pieces. I support that when you're going all in to win the World Series, but you gotta follow that up with more moves, right? They weren't a Kyle Tucker away from being a World Series team.

They're really good. And I think they've got a shot. Any team can get hot and make a run. But the second they made that move, it was like, I think you gotta do more now. And the pitching staff looks good. Matthew Boyd has been a revelation. He's been really fun to watch.

But you look at that bullpen, you look at the rest of the staff, if you're really trying to make a push in the postseason, you gotta go for it and give that indication. And the Cubs also have one of baseball's strongest farm systems with multiple top 100 prospects that are already on the 40 man. Owen Casey, power hitting corner outfielder,

is on one of the best hitters also right now in AAA. Moises Ballesteros, he's catcher, more bat driven, but he's coming along defensively. Plenty of teams would love to have that guy. And then Kevin Alcontra, he's a plus defender in center field. There's some swing and miss concerns, but teams will take a chance on a guy like that

with good power, can stick in center any day of the week. And those are all guys that are already in AAA. So if you're a GM acquiring those guys, you feel a little bit more comfortable about the proximity and also just the hit rate there. Okay, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna do it. Center field in the National League, Montreal Expos, Vladimir Guerrero.

Yep, good guess. It is Vlad. Why am I so nervous about a couple of things? Yankees second baseman, Alfonso Soriano. Nice call, nice call. It is Alfonso Soriano, what a moment he had. Man, not only that, but that he and A-Rod were the middle infield, traded for each other,

what, following season? was oh three, right? That's crazy, and then they were like and then they're like now get in left field. All right Um, I'm gonna do my first pitcher here and I'm gonna take the Arizona Diamondbacks and I'm nervous Yeah, but I'm taking Randy Johnson. Jeremy's gonna go score I was just like let hopefully he goes to it. Yes it did I'm gonna go with Kurt. Oh, wait, who'd you say? Kurt Schilling my bad. I was just like wait a second That would have been a disaster Which one he said well, I just thought you were gonna skip it and then I was just gonna go back to it

Yeah, I make sure that I scored a run. That would have been smart of me 6-5 Chris Cody. Well, this is a six-inning. Okay He's going for four in a row folks All right. Well, then I'm gonna go Boston Red Sox pitcher for the American League Pedro Martinez think about it. This is now turned into a disaster It's another scoreless inning. Are you kidding? Who would have been what? Left field, Boston Red Sox.

Damn it. Wasn't a left fielder. No he wasn't. You're right. I thought he played some right field too. Not really. Manny Ramirez. Yep, they try to hide him with the green monster.

Let's go ahead and move forward here, right? The number one name that seems to be on the trade market in terms of this guy's gonna be moved and he's a great, great, great player is Yojana Suarez. Which team do you think needs to acquire Yojana Suarez as a third baseman the most and what do you think that the price tag in a general sense ultimately looks like? Suarez, I think, may be the most prolific power hitter to be traded at the deadline. Because I don't think we've ever seen somebody

with 35 plus homers moved before the deadline. It's crazy. But I look at the Mariners, man. He has familiarity there. They love him there. I mean, the fans, he'd get an all time standing O if they brought him back in town. One, because I think they just would be so happy

to get more offense there. But two, because he was beloved there. He's been beloved everywhere he goes. And there's not a lot of players that have the experience of having hit there. For whatever reason, it's hard to see in Seattle. I don't know what the deal is. And I think that's a guy that would really jolt that offense and plugs right in at third base for them. And that's why I think the Mariners, though it's uncharacteristic, could really push the chips. They're in prime position for it. And he is the type of player that totally changes your entire lineup. Like putting him there and hearing what those offers are probably going to look like,

how could the Diamondbacks not make that move? So I want you to give me, if you can, three to five other players that you think will get moved, why they'll get moved, and ultimately a prediction of where they'll get moved. So I wanna go a little bit edgier here, not the obvious players, right? The rentals on bad teams, of course, they're gonna get traded. You're on Duran from the Twins.

I think this is a spot to cash in if you're the Twins. This core, it doesn't seem like it's totally gonna work out. Duran's dealt with some injury history over the last couple years think this is a spot to cash in if you're the twins. This core, it just, it doesn't seem like it's totally going to work out. Durant's dealt with some injury history over the last couple of years, even as a prospect when he was a starting pitcher. I think this is peak of his value, two years of control after this one. And another team that I would have said should probably go all in a little bit more is the Phillies. That core is not getting any younger. Zach Wheeler is going to retire after 2027. Bryce Harper ain't getting any younger. Trey Turner is not getting any younger. J.C. Romuto. Kyle Schwab is going to be

a free agent. And I look at that team, you got the starting pitcher and Christopher Sanchez just won it's CG. He's been unbelievable. But the bullpen, they signed David Robertson for a reason, six million the rest of the season. But I want someone that can lock it down. That's great. And I think Durant's a guy that can really push them over the top. Are there any other guys that you're focused on here? A surprise might be Taj Bradley from the race to that's where I could see the Cubs get creative. Generally they don't go all in on rentals. They like to manage things a little bit more carefully,

look at the big picture. Bradley comes with control. So you could make the case, hey, we're adding our pitcher for this year. But at the same time, we're making an acquisition where if things go south for whatever reason, we get bounced in the first round, we're not gonna be upset that we moved assets

for a pitcher here. So I think that would be a really nice match made there. That's the exact type of player you wanna acquire. I want one more name from you. One more name with one more prediction of where they're gonna end up. This is the rental side. I think this is such a fun fit.

The Astros are probably not going to go crazy. Their farm system's probably one of the weakest in major league baseball, but I see Cedric Mullins is the perfect fit to make that team so balanced out there. That rocks. Right, he's gonna go get it in center field. And I think he could be the perfect spark

for them with the speed, sneaky power, and great defense up the middle. This has been tremendous. Aram, thank you so much. I'm definitely going to, on our next episode of the Pitch Clock, when we return, check in and see how right you were or how wrong you were on these predictions.

But I love the insight. I'm sure our fans are grateful for it. And we're gonna have you back in here at some point soon. This has been a lot of fun. Thank you. Hey, everyone, go check out Just Baseball. What he and Jack do over there is tremendous. And, you know, Ethan's a part of it.

That kinda, you know, whatever. We love you, Ethan. Back to our game with Chris. This is a disaster. So I'm gonna take one of those Phillies. Scott Rolland. Yeah, it has to be. It is Scott Rolland.

Okay, thank God. The real question is, is just like, was this guy, their shortstop this early? Exactly, thater. OK, thank God. The real question is, is just like, was this guy their shortstop this early? Exactly. That's the same. We're having the same question. But I don't think they had another All-Star shortstop, so it just kind of has to be.

I can't fi- who's the Red Sock pitcher? That is true. I'm struggling as well. I can't- I mean, there's- look, there's someone in my brain right now, but there's no way- Couldn't have been the guy that you guessed for the other side. Is he there then?

See, I don't know timelines. Yeah, you're right. It's him. Yeah, it is him. It's him for sure. But now I'm afraid. You have confidence. I'm trying to follow your guys' line of thinking,

and I'm lost. Did Chris Cody just say that Randy Johnson was a Red Sox? Yeah, let him guess it. I was saying Kurt Schilling, obviously. That's who I was gonna say, but no, that's not my guess, relax. I'm gonna go Jimmy Rollin, shortstop Phillies. It took a while to get there,

but Chris Cody does clinch the win. I feel like if everything I said there was pretty spot on, what I said was, I was like, it could be No More at third, but I don't think that's actually true, because I don't think they would start a shortstop at third. Or Bill Miller. No way it's Bill Miller. He was a good third baseman for that.

You're not gonna believe the name it is. All right, hold on. And then I was gonna say it could be Kurt Schilling because he played on the Diamondbacks and he also was a red star. But it was Kurt Schilling when you guessed. I guessed Randy Johnson. Oh my bad, that's right.

There it is. That's the part I f***ed up. I'm chilling though. If you would have guessed Kurt Schilling. Both sides. That would have been wild. I would have loved if you guessed Kurtz. That's why you said it.

Oh, so you knew it wasn't Mark Fischer too? Is that what you said? So that's why you're like, I think you, it's so obvious. I think you should guess the pitcher or the first baseman. Well, I didn't think that you had any clue what the other ones were. And Rollins was ultimately the only one

you felt confident with. I have, so the Yankees first baseman, it's either Tino or Giambi, but I think it's Tino at that point, right? I'd go Giambi. Giambi. It is Giambi, okay. Good, I'm glad I didn't guess it.

There's no way the Red Sox pitcher is Derek Lowe. It was Derek Lowe. You gotta be f***ing kidding me. And was it Nomar at third? It wasn't Nomar. This one is, this one was by far the toughest name. Hold on. Don't say it. I don't have a shot. Give me initials. I mean, I know I'm gonna get this. Think, think Toronto Blue J too. SH. Oh, Shay Hillenbrand.

Shay Hillenbrand. You had to walk me there, but I still feel good about it. And is the Montreal Expo second baseman Brian Giles? No, no, okay good initials for the expo second baseman JV JV I Wow, give me another hint. Yeah anything else. Did he play for another team career 300 hitter three-time all-star Silver Slugger What? Jose Vizcayeno. No way.

Right first name, Jose Vidro. Oh my god. Oh yeah. Jose Vidro. Nice little hitter. Nice little hitter, that guy. That was like a, like a Pasito Polanco type hitter. Shay Hillenbrand.

Like a guy that'll bat like 290 for ya. I can't believe. Jose Vidro. Shay Hillenbrand. Derrick Lowe?