The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 2: The Michael Jordan of Not Wearing Sunscreen

Episode Date: June 23, 2025

Mike Ryan has admitted that if Brad Marchand extends with the Florida Panthers he will give up the bit and create a new spin. Plus, we discuss where the Indiana Pacers go from here after the crushing blow of not only losing Game 7 of the NBA Finals, but losing Tyrese Haliburton for next season at the same time. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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days that you agree to contract terms out loud while chanting at your fan base emotionally. Thank you. I think that portion of the proceedings is a lot of fun. Eight more years is... The Panthers do have some interesting decisions to make about how they spend some of their money, but I do want to just go back to last week for a second and our show getting very close to the electric buzz that was the Panthers celebration let's play the highlight of all of last week's coverage which is going out to Roy with comedically perfect timing I'm not confident in

either our audio or our video. Roy, take it away. We are live here at the elbow room. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha I think that we are always over-promising and under-delivering. Listen to how Chris Cody set up the begging to go to the Elbow Room, and then listen to the only content that Chris Cody produced for our show from the Elbow Room. Chris and Roy both wanna go to the Elbow Room. But Roy, how do we settle this argument? Because what's the nature of the disagreement

between you and Chris? Well, I think Roy is like, let's just both go. And I think Carl and I have had the thought of we want to have in this room today a good put this in perspective back to back championships and then let's go out to the chaos. I thought that that would be better Roy's as Panther covering it forever. Talk series hockey. Let's go out to Chris getting it with the party rather than You just wanna go get drunk, is what you just told us. Do you think that, what's better,

what's actual better content for the show? Me and Zazz having a serious Panthers conversation, and then going out to Roy for the chaos at the elbow room? No one having a serious Panthers conversation is best for the show. How dare you? I'm just saying. Tell us who to cover for you if you want.

I thought that, I wanna hear from Roy today. This is not honestly. I know it just looks like you can't ask him and you spoke I have asked for zero. I really don't do this where I'm like I want to go to do this and I This is an assignment made for me two hours later Bennett slap my hand Point proven. I got out there at noon. If I'm out there at 8.30, I'm up there on that balcony for the shots, that shot of Roy right there is me like, woo! But no, I got there at noon and I couldn't.

You're over-promised and you under-delivered, Chris. Why don't you just be- I disagree. Why don't you just be accountable for that? do you mean you disagree you're in charge of when you get to wear and you're sitting here saying I got there two hours late you're you're making those decisions well I wanted to get there at 7 and then we had this argument we showed up here okay Roy Roy's like I have a credential I'm like Roy this isn't a credential thing. It was, reporters whenever. Is it elbow room, is it elbow room or the elbow room? I believe on their, I think it's elbow room.

It's just elbow room. So the the is unnecessary. There's no W in elbow. Yeah, where did that go? I don't know. Maybe it just fell off the building. No, the Panthers took it. They took all the Ws.

Yeah. Yeah. All right, all right, all right. Good job, good job. Yeah, you all right. Zaslow, I know you have very important ESPN radio things to do because you're a rising star. Your confidence is growing by the day. Every time you appear with us, you appear more and more confident.

Can we just play the sound though? Before we get to Ekblad, learning the lesson that Sam Bennett taught him, let's play the sound. This is from Eleven, right? Things get loosened up at eleven in general is that your phone whose phone was that whose phones that good in mind is it five dollars it is your phone again greg let's play the sound of bennett giving up uh... the goods in negotiations because

uh... it's a celebratory drinking time in South Florida That was the announcement Greg Cody told him to clean up the language as little reported that last week I did That's my dog right there, too. Do you feel bad for him having to lug that con smith trophy around everywhere? It's such an impractical trophy to take to break. Seriously, so awkward. So heavy. It's got such a big wide base and at the very top, you have to essentially squat down to carry it. The top, it's very sharp.

It looks sharp, pointy. Watch out for that leaf. Yeah, kill your eyes. I saw a picture of it from the bottom. It's hollow on the inside and there's no bottom. Not very impressive. You could like wear it almost as like a hat. Yeah, you could.

You could put it over your head. Probably be easier to carry that way. You should, yeah. At the risk of, Florida people and South Florida people do care about this one microscopic money management issue that the Panthers do have. It might not be interesting to the audience at large, but keeping together a champion usually is. I see all over ESPN right now, they're saying,

is it already time to say OKC is a historically great team? This team, one, two in a row, they're gonna have trouble keeping everybody together because the first thing that happens is everybody wants more, and Eklad learned the lessons of Bennett, do not negotiate at 11. It's funny, after 11, my agent called me and he said,

make sure you don't say whatever Benny said. You gotta hold on to that leverage, eh Benny? What was that laugh? That was a drunk laugh. He he he. That's rich. That's the sound of upcoming wealth is what that is. Why the thunder look like they weren't happy

to win the championship yesterday? Why can't they open champagne bottles? Why did they not really celebrate? What was going on with them? Did you see hardly any of them were in the locker room and there was nothing going on? Are they old enough to drink? We have a B-roll of them attempting

to open a champagne bottle and they look like young 20 year olds. It's a very young team. They were also overwhelming favorites in every series that they played. They were also overwhelming favorites in every series that they played. They were like minus 700 in every series that they played. Every basketball nerd would tell you this was a foregone conclusion. Chet's just like looking around like we're supposed to be doing this, right? This is what we're supposed to be doing right now.

It looks like they're trying to figure out how you're supposed to celebrate winning. Is this, I don't know Greg if you think this, but is this like a gotta wanna earn, gotta learn Situations like they're too young to understand the struggle of how hard it is to win an NBA title This is why you need veterans What happened if one of like the 19 or 20 year old players obviously is just just chugging beers Anyone care so you guys didn't want to have the Bennett and neck blade conversation, huh? You guys just wanted you guys I wanted to get. I wanted to get that in before Zazlo left. I want to have it, yes. It feels like Echblad's not coming back.

I don't agree with that. Well, he's the only person that hasn't said, I'm definitely coming back out of the two. Brad Marchand was featured on a video, I think just outside the elbow room on Friday, holding up four years. Like, people were asking him for one more year. He's like, nah, one more. I'm coming back for four. There are reports out there that it's got to be more expensive than you'd probably like

given everybody's proclivity to take a discount for this team. From the early numbers that's been put out there, it doesn't seem like Brad's playing that game. Sam Bennett, eight for eight. He's already guaranteed it every time he's on the microphone that he's coming back. Eklad's the only guy that's reserved. In fact, yesterday at the parade, he's like, I'm gonna do something that Sam Bennett didn't do,

which is listen to his agent, and not say that I'm gonna be back here for eight years. He said something to that effect while wearing a Scarlet's hat, which I love. Cody? Echlad also said at 11, he made a point of thanking the fans for all the years of support. Seemed emotional.

It sounded like goodbye. We were there and it kind of felt like, it kind of felt that way. And last year at the parade, I know we may sound silly for reading into this, but you kind of caught those vibes from Montour and Lombard that they were gone because those deals are already discussed in advance of game seven really because the offseason for the champion is So short also act glad he's a little older and he's clearly not their number one defender I mean Forsling is has become the best one of the best true you say entirely you say older I guess that's comparatively 29. He's still in it. He's still not in into his 30s

Which is crazy because he's been here for over a decade It's more injuries The writing was kind of on the wall when they traded for Seth Jones It's like here we're bringing in a number two defenseman and Seth Jones has owed a lot of money through the year 2029 but I don't know like I don't think Echblad listening to his agent to not negotiate in public and lose leverage Means that he's not gonna stay because he's been saying, look, I want to be here. I plan on being here. These things come down to the wire. We'll figure it out. Like that's literally what he said a couple of days ago. I think he stays.

Dan, I do happen to know, and he may decide to take a discount to stay here. And I think that's what'll happen to know. Wait a minute. This is a happen to know? The Carolina Hurricanes are going to put a big juicy offer in front of Aaron Echelott. Wow. I happen to know this. They're also gonna do that for Mitch Marner, and I don't think they're gonna get Mitch Marner. But they're gonna spend a lot of money this off season. They're gonna throw a big offer Aaron Echlad's way

for Aaron Echlad to stay in South Florida. It's gonna have to be a pretty big haircut. No state tax! It's gonna have to be a pretty big haircut. Zaslow, I have never seen you more confident. You really are radiant this time in your career. So that happens when you win two cups? It's been great to be around you during this winning time.

Thank you for your work today. Go be with the ESPN radio. All right. We will see you later this week. God bless. The contract clause has kicked in. Zaslow's going to be around more because the Panthers won the championship.

That's what I'm talking about. Just a giant bet he won. Mike, how do you feel about this T-shirt selling at LebatardAF.com? Because I saw it earlier and we are selling, All Is Forgiven was the ad. All Is Forgiven Marchie is part of the ad at lebatardaf.com. When he sues us, you guys will come aboard and see all the things that I see about Brad Marshann.

Look, if he extends, I'm not gonna run this bit for four years, no, that's not what's gonna happen. I'll have to just admit that I was wrong about everything about Brad Marshann and he'll have to become one of my guys, but here's how I spin into a win. New take, here's the pivot. Brad Marshann, forever remembered have to become one of my guys, but here's how I spin into a win. New take, here's the pivot. Brad Marshann, forever remembered as a Florida Panther.

Wow. Oh wow, there you go. No, that's not true. When you close your eyes and you think of Brad Marshann, you think of him in that beautiful red sweater of the Florida Panthers. Absolutely. Provided he resigns.

Wait a minute. At a discount. He's gonna go into the Hall of Fame as a Bruin. As a Panther. As a Panther. Do you do that in hockey? No, you don't do that. You don't do that. But he's gonna go into the Hall of Fame as a Bruin. As a Panther. As a Panther. Do you do that in hockey? No, you don't do that. But he's gonna go into our hearts and minds as a Florida Panther.

Already, has Brad Marshand ever been more famous in his entire career? Even in his prime when he won a cup with Boston, he wasn't this famous. I don't think you're allowed to do this. Brad Marshand has never been more famous in his entire career full stop I mean he did like a guy's face He has never been more famous than he is right now He had infamy and it's not like he loses all those things He comes he comes into florida with all those things in his past and he wins a cup

As a piece as a locker room guy you're getting and he's dominating the he won this in the age of social media yeah i do stories and everything went around the last time he lifted the cup the last time he was the main focus of the conversation tell you something brenmore shan is a florida panther yep i agree with that he won his first cup when he was 23 years old he had barely begun to establish himself he wasn't the best player on that team now You could have made an argument that he should have been the playoffs and he finished second Yeah, I'm not against Bennett winning But but there was a strong argument for Marshawn and I agree with you that to a lot of people in America outside of Boston He's a Florida look at us right now. Look at us two guys

Yeah, right now for the hockey takes both agreeing that some Brad Brad Marsh and will forever be remembered as a Florida Panthers. Okay, I Want to ask you guys based on what we were talking about before because it's not just three Achilles tear It's almost 10. I think there were eight this season a Recent draft prospect in workouts the previous high was five so we're basically at double the Achilles tears for a season and if you go from strained calf to torn Achilles and the obvious risk of that everyone listening to this says that Halliburton has to take that risk for that game, correct? Like there's no one listening to this who's saying that that's the one game that every player has to risk future earnings, future contracts, future athleticism, future body pain. Is there anyone listening to this?

Now it's easy to do in retrospect, right? Like in retrospect, we could say not worth it because they lost the game, right? Is anyone arguing that? I haven't heard a single person because you're saving them for next year? So you can win the title next year, you're a game away. It's a young team and he's your superstar and once you start messing with these parts of the bodies,

you do run the risk of Kawhi Leonard never being the same. Like it doesn't mean he's not gonna be good, but Halliburton's a young player. This is an injury you can come back from, but I'm asking, I guess what I'm asking you guys is, where is the risk not as obvious? Like in what game do I have to put it at before you're like, no, that's not a risk I'm gonna take?

I mean, let's just say the Indiana Pacers forced the issue on Halliburton and he just stays tight lipped about it. He doesn't end up playing because they, they want to save his body. Tyrese Halliburton becomes one of the bigger punchlines in the history of the sport. He becomes an avatar for being gutless. No, you, you have to play that game. Tyrese Halliburton probably wanted to play that game and it showed and certainly showed on his face when he's mouthing it's heartbreaking like it happened.

They were all fearful that this would happen. They all took that into account, but this is what you play for. You'd be holding them out for this game for next season to have a shot to be in the same position that you are right there. I understand all the arguments and with hindsight they become a little bit more plausible, but it's a straw man argument. That's why you play the game to win a championship. And I think that's magnified when your club hasn't won anything since the basketball was red, white and green in the eighties.

Straw man! It is the best Pacers team there has ever been and that game last night was the biggest game the Pacers have ever played. The sadness of that moment, because obviously we are all sports fans have their own narcissisms, however much it bummed you out to have that be the ending, imagine how much it bummed him out as he's on the floor climbing, crawling, trying to get to get me to the last shot of this basketball game. Get me to the final, just let me last, let medicine carry me four more quarters,

let this team and the inspiration so that I may be Willis Reed forever more. Get me to the last shot of this basketball game. We're up one at the half. It's a team of like just rabid dogs on the perimeter. Like they really guard the perimeter. It's sort of the watching these two teams play basketball is the future of the league. And you're like, oh wow, okay, see really, okay. They're gonna do it with the length of Pippen and Jordan.

They're gonna steal the basketball from you and go on a run just taking it from you. Pacers, wildly athletic, great from three. OKC, better at everything. But four games in that series were played exactly the way Indiana wanted them to. And they lost the one that OKC made three threes. And it's just crazy to have that be the difference

between those two teams. And I can't believe that Halliburton's trying to climb, crawl to the finish line. And he knows what it was, the mouthing of it happened. Like there it is, the thing I feared. How do you guys imagine these needles go? Like whenever it is that we talk about Torridol in NFL locker rooms or wherever it is that you don't know

and people don't want you to know about the shady secrets of medicine that push from every angle, Halliburton has to play in that game even if it costs him the next nine months of his career, everything in the machine pushes him out onto the court, including his own will. There aren't very many people who would sit out that spot when that's what you do for a living.

It's not a winning position. It's a loss across the board. It's probably a loss in the game, as you see what happens. They finally succumb to not having them out there for the second half, but to become a joke forever? Think about what Willis Reed has bought himself by toughing it out. Willis Reed has become, I mean, his legacy is

exponentially greater because of the thing that he tried to accomplish. But he played a quarter, right? If Halliburton had lived off in the first quarter, he's not out for the first nine months of next season. The thing... No, but if he doesn't limp out at all, he becomes Lyd for the first nine months of last of next season. The thing... No, but if he doesn't limp out at all, he becomes Lyddainian Tomlinson sitting on the bench as a New England Patriots beat Philip Rivers who has a 20 ACL on the field.

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That's shocking. Stugatz. Here's a picture of Christopher when he was like three years old. Right next to the condom. Yeah. That's a subtle reminder. Yeah. Never forget. This is the Don Lebatar show with the Stugats. Can we talk though about the pain of this? And I'm not talking about the physical pain.

I'm talking about the franchise pain and how hard it is to get to these points and why it is that people are willing to do this to their body in order to get to the points that they get indiana's best team ever you know how much that city cares about basketball there are half away a half away from one of the great upsets in the sports history led by they're not winning unless the the game is played the way he played it

in the first quarter not turning the ball over haliburton goes on the road game seven and wins injured over ok c to produce that season for indiana it's an all-time sports moment for that region any sport anytime he goes in there and paint theon of toughness That's how close they were to the that they could taste that at the half. Are they gonna get the TJ McConnell? inspiration game in the second half is Because they missed eight threes in a fourth quarter

They're gonna be haunted by I don't know the next time they're gonna get that close because the trade they made just cost them the first half of next season and they started slow this season. Probably plunt on next season entirely. It's gonna be really difficult to get to the same spot with Halliburton missing most if not all the season. The part that's crazy to me that when I talk about the pain of a fan base, let's imagine what I'm about give give you here because it happened twice in this basketball postseason and it was a great basketball postseason but boston in indiana went from where right there this is the greatest thing i've ever known to

rapid up it's gone for nine months can't lose that player that way so who who's in line next to get to the front of the line? Because you went from, we're a half away, to oh, there goes next season too. And I wasn't expecting this. I was expecting TJ McConnell and his mom were gonna lead me to glory.

They were gonna paint the most beautiful Indiana sports story that's ever been told. But after that, do you not, if I'm running a team, I'm not letting anyone play, even in a game seven after a calf strain at that point. Like maybe some injuries you can play through, but we're learning a calf strain, we're not playing through that one,

because that leads to other injuries. So I did some research on it. LeBron in 2021 had a calf strain, Klay Thompson in the finals that Kevin Durant had his calf strain, toughed it out, but he also was injured throughout that. That was a narrative there. Aaron Rodgers, try to play through calf strains. Yeah, it's usually a pretty good indicator. There are not a lot of examples of, man, this guy toughed it out through a calf strain and lived to tell another day.

I don't think there should be second guessing on this unless you can, uh, quantify that the calf strain makes him more susceptible to an Achilles. It has to. It does. Yeah. Because the tendon takes on more of the pressure as your body naturally tries to stay away from the calf muscle, more stress gets put on the tendon. I think the, the hard magnifying the heartache this for me is that Halliburton was off to a great start in that game

He had three threes and nine points in seven minutes This was a guy on fire when he needed to be and even without him they lead by one at the house Oh, but it's just it is so Crushing right I heard your brother your son making fun of you before the show saying you never called Marino Overrated for not winning a title the way that you went after mcdavid uh... but merino is the standing example and i think you've written this a number of times over the years dan merino went at the very beginning of his career to the super bowl and went

with a tuxedo in the wrapping that cody has written about and the tuxedo never came out of the wrapping the rest of his career because he never got back to a Super Bowl. McDavid's been on the cusp here a couple of times. Halliburton was crawling to the finish line. I don't know if he'll ever get back here again. Like maybe he's great and a great story but he just helped drag Pascal Siakam to a more elite status than he had, even with Kawhi Leonard. Siakam did win the Eastern Conference Final MVP.

If I make up the stat that when you have a strained calf, you're 25% more, like if I told you going into that game, it's a 25% chance Halliburton's out all of next year. Even if it is a game seven, I'm still probably saying, I'm gonna protect my superstar from a 25% chance of. You and Mike Ryan injured Kachuk on purpose halfway through the season to play in that, to play in that hockey tournament.

Did you see the report? No, but this is. Did you see the report? Yeah, tornad doctor. Yeah, but did you see how he tore it? It wasn't even during the game. It was reported that it was in the fight with Brendan Hagel at the start. But that's a good example,

because if you would have said to me, what Kachuk's gonna do in this tournament, he's for sure out for an entire year, I would have then said, don't play in the Four Nations. I'm expecting to get banged up, you're out for a month. I believe at the time, we're like, if he's out for a month or two, that's worth it. But if it's Halliburton out for a full year,

I would have changed my tone. I don't know. You play to get that close. That's what you do. It's foolish. It's foolish to play with a... He's got to risk injury all next season. Risk injury all throughout next season to get to

the chance that you're a game away, you're a half away from a chase injury. Chris is applying the normal, sane, human perspective of you should not do anything to risk further injury that's going to mean nine months of you enduring a terrible rehab but the way this entire culture of sport is built you must sacrifice the entirety of your body and your soul to play in that one basketball game last night you can miss all the others but the one last night the entire our entire audience Chris you're right I'm speaking to a cult of people who are just sort of numb to the idea of yes you you do choose a wheelchair for about three months in terrible rehab because

this game will do that to your body but that's the choice every football player in hockey players making every time they step on onto a field or ice and as long as it's their choice i don't have a problem with it. But the pressure of the machine, there is no one pulling in the other direction on this. There's no same voice saying- Maybe his mom, maybe family. Let's stop making basketball players, football and hockey players.

They go through a different thing. We've all played basketball, all right? Like they're not toughing it through the same amount of things. I understand the Achilles is a death nail and that's devastating, but that's usually when they line up and they lace their shoes up on the court, they're not really risking serious injury the way that other sports are.

Understood, but when I tell you three months of rehab that's going to be really inconvenient, not a whole lot of people are going to do things that push to the other side of that in pursuit of anything. If I say, hey, there's a 25 or 50% risk here that if you take this shot in order to play this game you're going to end up with an Achilles tear that might not just be the next six months it might be your body doesn't work right the rest of the way because of the way things are connected in your body. I don't know now all right I'm getting attacked here from two of you I think you guys are crazy. Attacked? I'm not crazy. Attacked?

You're crazy. I don't feel like there's an attack. They were a game away from a championship. That's why you play the games. And also, you're disrespecting the ABA when you label this the greatest Pacers team of all time. They won three ABA championships. I know.

I was thinking of that when he kept saying that. I was thinking of you. Yeah. I remember the ABA, and it wasn't a bad league. Julia Serving played in the ABA. It wasn't a bad league. Julius Irving played in the ABA. It wasn't. Dr. J. It wasn't the league.

ABA doesn't count. They had Rick Berry played in that league. They had a lot of star power in that league. I said, the history of the NBA, not the ABA. No, you didn't say anything. You said the greatest team ever that they had. Yes, you did. And you're older, you should know better because they were in the ABA. No, you didn't say anything. You said the greatest team ever that they had. Yes, you did. And you're older, you should know better.

Because they were in the ABA. And they were a blue blood program. No, you just said it wasn't bad. It's not the NBA. The ABA was not the NBA. And I understand. I do know my history here. This is the best Pacers team there's ever been.

But the other one won three championships. This one would drag all three of those. All three of those. They wouldn't even know what to do with Halliburton shooting from out there. Why, because modern science? Because they were throwing it into a peach basket. That's why.

No. They were shooting granny style and throwing chess passes and bounce passes. And there were no t-shirt cannons or anything else. Yeah, Dr. J. No music, no music. Overrated. What?

That's what Levin said. That's not what I'm saying. That's Dan. He just improved the legacy of the ice hockey team. How dare you. I did not say that Dr. J. was overrated. You're disparaging his league. I am disparaging the ABA as a lesser quality basketball to the NBA.

But when those guys entered the league, when those teams entered the league, they performed admirably. That is correct, but the NBA is the best of the best and the ABA was some of the best of the best. You know, Buffalo Bills fans still look pretty fondly at those AFL championships. Last ones they ever won. Find me somebody who was on that Indiana team who had a second job as a plumber. Find me, please find me the

player on the the Indiana championship ABA team that just find me a roster, a name of somebody who had a second job in the offseason. They'd have a plumber. Yeah, good point Chris. He foresaw AI coming. It is good life advice from the godfather of AI. If you want to have a future career, become a plumber. You mean like ten options? Can you give me like ten options? Who is the godfather of AI? That's a person?

That is a person, yes. What is the godfather of AI's name? We'll get him on. Billy, it's always great when you don't do any of the prep and ask me a question. I don't have the answer for you. I haven't spoken for ten minutes and now you ask me a question I don't have the answer for you haven't spoken for 10 minutes And now you ask me something that I don't have the answer to thank you Bobby

Jeffrey Hinton it looks like might be his name set ring a bell Roger Brown was employed at General Motors in Dayton. That's the guy right there. That's the Godfather of A. No, it's not. Yes, that is the Godfather of A right there. I mean, the guy. Respectfully looks like a kook.

The first name that you said, though, what is his name? Jeffrey Hinton, that's him. Yeah, I think that's him. 77. Yes. Oh, I was, Roger Brown was a player on the Pacers that had a second job, just to clarify. Thank you.

So he did not invent AI. No, no, he worked for GM. GM. Does the Godfather of AI mean that like, Jeffrey Hinton's friends really created AI and they trusted him so much with caretaking AI that they named him the Godfather of AI? Because if you invented AI, you'd be the father of AI would you not? Their main broadcaster was a teacher.

Sometimes you're not that close with your godfather. It's like friends with your parents and then it's just like yeah I don't really see him a lot. Who's my godfather? It's a very hyperbolic decision. I don't even know who my godfather is. Do you have one? Now you tell me.

Oh my god. You would know. Is it like Uncle Dick or something? It could be, I don't even know who my godfather is do you have one now you tell me oh my god You would know is it like uncle dick or something it could be I don't know you don't know either see I'm the godfather to two goddaughters boys offended by everything that's happening right now isn't a Chris's godfather the goddess since you're right. I don't know if Dan's my godfather. I'm just learning. I don't know I am the one that picks. Let me ask my wife. Hang on. Oh my god. Oh no.

Wait, wait. You bad today? I cannot go. Just Mike, please give me some more information. You're telling me that somebody, that Greg Cody and others are now making the argument that there's an Indiana basketball team that is better than this year's Pacers, and one of their players also had a second job

working for General Motors. That's true. He would clock in, he would clock in. Don't act like it's that foolish. Ron Artes had a second job when he was playing. There you go. Soca City. He didn't have the second job.

He applied for the discount. He never actually went to work there. What did he do? Well, he wasn't super responsible. I know I'm doing the same thing I just accused Billy of doing by asking you follow up questions on this, but I would love to know what a job at General Motors looked like back then, because I now have somebody in a basketball uniform

showing up for work with a construction pail, checking in for work, and doing something on the factory line Yeah, there's definitely like a clock in clock out situation, which isn't all that antiquated I remember when Murph was running 790 I had to do that That was the beginning of our careers put that on the pole at LeBataard show Did you ever have to clock in and clock out at work? Did you have a physical punch or you did it on a computer? No, it was a physical punch. It was a puncher.

It had a stamp on it. Yeah. And you would get that card that Murph said we had to have because he was paying people too much over time and he stopped taking people at their word. And then you would go to Steve White's desk and you would clock in and you would clock out. Would you stamp it and then go outside

and fool around for a while? Like just check in to show that you were working or would you immediately get to work? I was all about the work. I would want, not surprising, I would take like a really long lunch. I would be clocked in all the time and then come back from lunch

and then clock out for like 20 minutes. Greg, are we interrupting you? I'm texting my wife who were the godparents of our kids. It's important. I'm gonna bet it's Aunt Bonnie and Uncle Dick. That's what I'm gonna bet, those are my godparents. Don't you have one of each though? I just said two people.

No, but you and Michael, I mean. Like you each. I'm talking about me. Okay, aren't you? I'm saying mine would be Uncle Dick and Aunt Bonnie and then Michael would have maybe the same. It means a lot to you spiritually, huh, as a family? Sometimes you split it up, right?

Each parent gets to choose one sometimes,, just in case you know heaven forbid There's a horrible accident where your godmother and godfather together, then you lose both of them just washed over me I don't know my godfather or godmother see I've never been asked to be a godfather. I'm not crazy. I know I had them yeah, but You know I don't have them my godmother might come in handy at this point. Would, and also, like they exist to take care of you after your parents died. Whoever did this, drop the ball. Yeah.

Because his mom's dead, Billy, that's why I said that. I thought you were gonna look at me and say, Padrino? Padrino, mi padrino. Papa? The godfather of AI. Billy, just out of curiosity, because I am forever fascinated by how your mind works, was there any point to asking me what his name was

other than me? I'm just curious. I don't know if this is a, you keep saying this nickname, the Godfather of AI, like if he's the Godfather of soul, you know, like I don't know if this is a known thing. So I'm curious who the Godfather of AI is, Jeffrey Hinton. Dad, what would you be the godfather of?

Reptilian talon feet. Oh, that's strong. He's got the feet of a bird of prey. Thank you. It's not really complimenting. That's the best thing that's ever been said about me. They're not human feet, they're feet that you would disembowel like an ostrich with.

You know the background of my feet. That you've not taken care of them and have walked around in boat shoes without socks for 20 Years and the same boat shoes that I used to be a foot model, but I have let my great toenails We're a little while. I'm gonna get you We're gonna go get a pedicure and make content of it and just get the reaction of the ain't getting no pedicure make content of it and just get the reaction of the I ain't getting no pedicure take them off Roy look look at the screen Roy those are beautiful feet look come on Roy look at those but those toenails have gotten worse over the last few years we have not had a bigger achievement in the show's history than have thousands of people lined up to see one of those cut

toenails from Stugats. Sexy feet. Stugats has twice cut the toenails of Greg Cody. I just asked Chatchie P.T. who its godfather is. And while it acknowledged that Jeffrey Hinton is part of a triumvirate of people, it also gave credit to Jan Lekun and Joshua Bengio. Look at these feet right here and tell me

that this are not Nosferatu's feet right here. These are Nosferatu's feet. If I told you right now that that's the beginning of the levitation that the devil does as it goes from demon to its most evil. That's the raptor. Did you just snort at laughter? You snorted.

People need to see these feet. Am I wrong? These feet are from another time. They're ancient fossils. It's like a half man, half werewolf foot. It is more than a half werewolf. They do look like dinosaur feet. It is half dinosaur, quarter werewolf.

No lotion. No lotion, please. Lotion, please. Lotion. How do you- Imagine a werewolf with alopecia. How do you not know how to take care of yourself? Survived this long. Yeah, but you've survived,

but you survived with the feet of the devil. With no sunscreen in Florida. That's the wildest thing he admitted today. In South Florida. It was a great Greg Cody shirt Tuesday. I would imagine that nobody's put on less sunscreen that lives in either Miami or Broward than you. Okay, and to make it clear,

I'm not bragging people should use sunscreen. You are the Michael Jordan of not using sunscreen. Thanks. Thank you. Oh, that means a lot. And something else for my tombstone. Do you think that Barkov is ever going to get this cheer off the ground? Is it ever going to look like that?

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