The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 2: The Secret Behind Sports Media

Episode Date: December 11, 2025

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So let's get to everybody's favorite segment. You know about that? Oh, that's right. Amin, let's test your NBA knowledge here with another edition of, you know about that? We'll start out with the Spurs. So the San Antonio Spurs, they keep on winning. They took that ass last night against the Lakers.

The Spurs keep on winning, and they keep on winning without Wembenyama. You know about that? I know all about that. Nine and three, I believe, without Wembegama. Hashtag better without Wemba Jama? That's a question. That's a question.

It's a dumb question, but it's a question because their record with him, 8 and 4. And towards the end of that 8 and 4, no one wanted to talk about it, but it's like, the league started to adjust a little bit and figure out the whole Webinyama's amazing thing. Look at how I pitched. But yes, they had been incredible. Last night, you wouldn't even know they were missing their best player as they went out there, raced up and down the court, past the Lakers.

The crazy thing for me, I believe going into the game, Lakers were the favorites, mid-game when they were down like 15 points, you know what the live betting lines was? Spurs minus three and a half. I jumped all over that. I was like, come on, man. You think the Lakers going to come back and win this game or even make it close? Gavely that free money? Free money.

Free money. And when you speak like that, you sound ridiculous. Who had a good game in that Spurs game? Oh, you mean there should have been number one overall pick of the 2025 draft? That's the one I know about all that. 30-10 and 6. Where is that guy, by the way? You know about that way?

Remember that? What happened to Sipon Castle? What happened to Calell Ware? Where is he? Oh, man, things have changed. Calel, no. Too much. You have to be way, way, way more ass on with it.

Give it to me again. Calel, no. Still too much emotion. Really? Yep. Calel, no. That was better. That was better.

All, let me try it. Calel, no. I want to try. Calel, no. I think Zaz win. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's good. That's good.

All right, so speaking of, it so sounds like you know about that. I know all about that. Speaking of which, Kella, where his production has been down for the most part since Tyler Hero has returned. for the Miami Heat. You know about that?

I know all about that, but you know what? There's a lot of things we can blame on Tyler Hero. You know what? We can't blame on Tyler Hero? Kelle Ware forgetting how to play defense. Kela Al Ware being inconsistent. I think the Miami Heat and their exposure are pretty clear and blunt with the young man

about what the expectations are. You meet those expectations? We won't only play you. We'll play you at the ends of games. Like that Nick game about three. weeks ago. It's like, hey, killer where's in the game in the fourth quarter? You don't come consistently? Those opportunities go away like they did in Orlando a couple nights ago. Was Spow this tough on Hassan White's side in that regard in the beginning?

No. No. Hassan, no. I think I've talked about this with Jeremy. I believe a lot of what's happening to Keller where as far as how. they are treating him is a direct reaction to we're not going to make the same mistake again and say but he's great just let him play and he'll figure it out because he's around a bunch of guys who all kind of get it they're definitely putting their foot down a lot harder than they did with hassan white side not saying that calais where is hassan white side or not even in personality or a solid play or whatever but they are not trying to make the same mistake twice

So just assuming someone's going to get it if you just continue to give them opportunity. Gislel, no. Again, too much. I think Zaz is still the clubhouse leader. All right, so it sounds like you know about that. All right. John Morant and the Grizzlies.

Yeah. Reportedly, they're trying to work things out. You know about that? Yeah, I read that. You know, my favorite thing, you know, we talked about John Morant the other day and about how I said, look, if you factor someone in your future,

You don't do that, like change the system without consulting them or having buy-in. And I guess because the Memphis people, like because I said Zach Eadie, I didn't think Zach Eadie was a good prospect, they're very tuned in out of everything Memphis had I say. So some guy said, posted. Is that right? Yeah, they're very, because you know how I know, every fortnight when Zach Eadie has a good game, they're like, oh, I thought you said he couldn't play on NBA level? Like, I get that.

I'm like, you know how I know he's not killing it? Because you don't give me one of those every game. It's just every fortnight. But this guy sends me a screenshot of a press release. John Morant to purchase 250 tickets to, you know, I think I get sent it too. Yeah. Like, you know, the holidays or whatever, these kids that don't otherwise get to go to NBA games.

By the way, shout out to you, John. That's a really cool thing you do. You know what else does that? Like every player in the NBA around this time of year. And this guy like, does this sound like someone who wants out of Memphis? You dofest? you think it was like oh oh man hold on i hate it here not that much though let me buy some tickets for the kids

am i cynical when i say let me know when the guy who buys it buys it in section 103 you say there's like four dollar tickets spent a thousand bucks on 250 tickets it's memphis man four dollar tickets might be six for one of three right all right so it sounds like you know about that i mean Austin reeves last night oh man was six for 16 in the NBA cup quarter final loss And lest you say that that's an anomaly, that's after he went three for 16, the game before that. You know about those Austin Reed struggles? I know all about that.

I was talking to Tony about this before the show today. And you know what I said to Tony? I said pumpkin time. It turned into a pumpkin? I don't think so. I don't think he's got dead legs. I think he's got tired legs. They lean on him a lot.

You know about that dead leg? Throughout the Luca and throughout the LeBron situation. No shit. you got dead legs. I remember Iverson talking about this years ago, and they were like, oh, Iverson shot 12 of 30. You know how hard it is to shoot 30 shots? 30 legitimate NBA shots.

Not like just closing your eyes and just chucking it. 12 or 30 is not terrible. What did Cade go? Oh, now that was ridiculous. I think he was 16 for 47. That was ridiculous. That was ridiculous. No one should ever shoot that much.

I mean, it sounds like you can't spell Cinderella without the AR. Yeah. No, you're right. You're right. You know what it also sounds like? Ella, Ella, Ella, Ella, eh, eh. I don't know why I thought about that song, but Cinderella, Ella. All right, so it sounds like you know about that.

14 to 45, by the way, was the kid game. 14 to 45. Ridiculous. I got a couple more things, though. But again, now here's the other part. Is it dead legs? Has he hit the wall? Kind of like what rookies hit?

Because they come in and you're like a top overall draft pick and you get all the shots. And then by game 30, you're like, I'm not. used to playing like this. That might be the case. Might be the case of the league of scouted him, which is, I think, is more of it. Or did LeBron ruin him? I'm not saying it. I'm asking questions. Subtraction by addition. I'm asking questions. Because when you have someone like Luca, who uses a lot of possessions,

there's only so much possessions left. So are you going to give all of those awesome reasons as you were before? Or does LeBron come in and say, Give me my share. All right, so it sounds like you know about that. I got one more for you here, Amin. Celtics are at the Bucks tonight. Yeah.

You know about those Yonest trade rumors? Man, I know all about those Yonest trade rumors. My favorite part is I think Mark Stein announced it or reported it a couple days ago that the Bucks are telling everybody he's not on the table. But everybody's like, we don't care. here's a bunch of trade requests and demands and questions and all those things what happens when you call up a team and they say player like yannis is not on the table

does that because and the team doesn't care do they and then like sneak in an email like how does it happen it's like you start you talk to them about who do you like just like oh i'm not talking about yannis i'm just talking about in general like you know we're looking at our roster we're looking at you like who do you guys like on our roster and then like you try to are gathering that intel in order to piece together once again like so like if i was talk about Kela Ware and Tyler Hero and the first round pick.

You, that would, yeah? And they were like, for who? I'm like, well, what do you think on your roster is worth that big of a baggage? So say it's the Miami Heat, and they're going down the list. Tyler, yes. Calal, no.

Jake Fisher said, if you're the Miami Heat and you want to talk Janus, it has to be Calais. Yes. And that right there is another edition of you know about that. Sounds like I mean knows about that. Hey guys, Tony here. This Tuesday at 8.30 Eastern, it's the Emirates NBA Cup Championship game on Prime.

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bets which expire in seven days. Minimum odds required. Four additional terms and responsible gaming resources, see dkng.g.com slash audio. Limited time offer. Don Lebatard. Amino Hassan. Stugats. Amino Asin. This is the Dan Levatar show. with the Stucats I know about that and I know about something else You know, we had that segment

that we ended with Dan talking about the Thunder and Dan was like, whoa, you don't have interesting stories. I think Dan's way off based on that. No, I figured it out. I figured out why the Oklahoma City Thunder

are not a media darling, right? Why so many pundits complain about them being boring and all that I say and not having enough, right? Free throw merchant for us, I'm going to tell you exactly why. Because the Oklahoma City Thunder have made lives miserable

and jobs way more difficult for in reverse order. You know what? Can we do a top five? Give me some fanfare. I'm going to give you the top five people that the Oklahoma City Thunder have made their jobs more miserable for, right? Number five.

Opposing GMs. Do you know how hard it is to try to concoct a deal that is going to significantly, improve your chances against this machine? I mean, it's not like the usual, hey, can we get an extra score here? Hey, we need some depth. It's like, oh, my God, I need to go get Janus. My job's a lot harder.

Well, and it probably also makes your job a lot harder where if you're a Western conference team and you want to trade for Janus, Janus probably go look. I'd be like, nah, I'm good in the East. Yeah. Plus, your owners, they're like, hey, why don't you do what he does? And you're like, I can't do that.

Yeah, why don't we just have 17 guys that all defend and shoot threes Number four Joe Come on I mean seriously I can't

I can't do that I say it Joe Why can we do Is that an ice cream? Kyle no Number four Posing coaches We've got to come up

With something That's gonna stop that We gotta come up with a scheme that's going to address that? Is it a pain in the ass for the video guys or is their job a pain in the ass no matter what? Number three, the video guys. Coaches, they just get to sit there and watch what's been curated.

Someone had to sit there and do the curating. What do you leave in? What do you take out? What do you get yelled about for leaving in? What do you get yelled about for taking out? Oh, I feel bad for the video guys. Number two, the players. As I said earlier, it looks like A.U. Basketball, where you're playing one team that has all D1 commits and one team that's like organized by their church.

Except every NBA player was on the good team. They were always on the good side of this. They were the best player on that good team. Right. And so this is such a foreign feeling. It's like, oh, I remember seeing this, but from the other side. And now it's happening to me, but instead it's happening on national TV with 20,000 people in the arena. That's tough. Number one, the media.

I can already tell by the last segment. Hard to get a direct flight into Oklahoma City. No, not even that. I'll tell you what it is. I didn't even consider that part. Yeah, that part stinks. I mean, it does stink. Gotta go through Houston.

And the hotel is haunted. Imagine doing. Make me stay at that hotel. Make me. Dude, already did it. Best episode of PTF, by the way. Won an award for it. I would never stay there.

What did you a scared cat? Sucker. Yo, you can call me whatever you want. Are you a scared cat? Are you a scared cat? Why would I stay in a place that's haunted? Yes or no? First, the place that's not haunted.

Are you a scared cat? Doesn't have to be a scary cat. No, that guy's a scary cat. Why would I stay at a place that's haunted? Meow. It's a scary cat over there. I know a scary cat when I see one. Big a head, too.

Yo, stop saying I got big a head. The media, their jobs are way more miserable because the Oklahoma City Thunder do not afford them the shortcuts that make their lives and their jobs easier. Like what? Like if Shay Gills is Alexander was a real. arrested for speeding. Oh, we get to talk about,

is Shea Gilgis Alexander a distraction? I don't have to watch a single Thunder game in order to talk about things like that. If Chet Holmgren was like, I wish I had more shots. Oh, I don't need to watch another Thunder game. I can just say, is this going to be the thing

that hurts them in the playoffs? Yeah, they don't have any dudes who do anything that you can question. No, it's not even dudes that you can question. They don't give us any easy storylines to obscure. You're the fact that I'm not watching your games. And when you talk about sports media pundits,

especially if you're a general sports show, you only have enough bandwidth for a couple of things. You're not actually watching all these games. That's why I'm like, people are like, oh, I can't believe Steve or another. I said, I'm like, do you really think he watched every baseball game, then every NBA game, then every football game, and came in here, I was like, okay, I have notes on all of them? No, you're picking choose what you got and what you can.

I'll be honest with you. I haven't watched a hockey game in about four years. Hey, man. I haven't. That's not I knock on hockey. It's just to say that when I talk about hockey, I'm bullshitting. You didn't watch Game 7 of the 24 cup final? I was asleep.

What? How about the Utah mammoths? Man, we're in a black panthers chat. Oh, man. I love that jacket, though, and I love that chat. But my point is, what the thunder don't do. So, like, let's take the Panthers, right? Oh, I got the hole.

They got the guy from Barnes. that everybody hates. Do you hate them now? Do you love them now? What's his name? Oh, he's a... Bo Bichette, right? No, he plays baseball. Amin's totally right here, though. Like, there's nothing that people in sports media love more than not having to watch sports. And that's why they love the college football playoffs so much. We hate having to stay up late to watch the game. It's why the college football playoff is so likable amongst media types. Why? Because all you really have to do is sort of tangentially pay attention to what the narratives are that are established week to week.

then look at the results on a box score the week before. You don't have to watch a single college football game and you could have a very strong opinion. Just look at me. I didn't watch a BYU or James Madison game all year until BYU beat UCF. Mike, you give passionate, detailed, exquisitely crafted responses

all season long about Notre Dame versus Miami. But honestly, your strongest argument, which is the head-to-head, you could have not watched a single second of Notre Dame football and came up with that. It was very clear that a lot of people were not watching a single second from the analysis because, well, I mean, Notre Dame's playing the better football right now. We don't get anything for the last month of football that we played.

ESPN daytime programming is especially bad when it comes to college football. I was watching a Stephen A video in which he had no idea. Virginia could have been an automatic qualifier by winning the ACC championship. That's why the SEC narrative is so annoying because they established it. 20 years ago and they don't have to go back from that when the game has changed. If you watch the games, you know how bad the quarterback play is inside the SEC conference. You know that it is basically a shell in terms of dominance.

Look at the lines. They're telling you the story. So basically what the Thunder do is they remove the easiest crutch in the game, which is I can talk about all of these things. It's going to make me sound knowledgeable and up to date on it without ever having a watch any of their games or watch enough of their games. I was watching that game last night, and my buddy texted me like, how are you still watching this game?

I said, well, for one, it's the only game on. I got nothing else. I got nothing else. But for two, it's like, call me crazy. Their blowouts are more fun than everybody else's blowouts. I watch blowouts games. They're like, this is just bad basketball. These guys, do you see, they were up like 50, and Caruso was still trying to like sneak steals in the back court and all that? Do you think some of the energy that they play with is because they know eventually they're going to have to move on from some guys.

So the guys who were like 11th, 12th, and 13th on the roster are like, all right. But if I play my ass off, even when we're up 50, I'm going to be that next guy because this is going to be a dynasty for however many years. So if I can just be the 6th, 7th, 8th guy on this team, all eventually get paid by somebody else. It's almost like when major league teams have incredible minor league systems. and it's like certain guys come up and they know they're not even really coming up to be a part of that future of that major league team they're just going to get shipped out somewhere else also

like that effort that you see from this team it's crazy you don't see anything like that in basketball anywhere else I mean look like AJ Mitchell is a great example of that last year barely sniffed the court and now that dude's pulling out of control last night this dude I'm not ashamed to say it

didn't know this dude I'm like who's young they're like young blood with the shot. I'm like, who is young blood? Like, why they call him Youngblood? Like, Hey, Youngblood? Yeah, young blood. Yeah, young blood. I'm like, okay, so he's a young guy. I'm like, oh, no, his name is Youngblood. Oh. But the reality is, Jeremy, it's because they have a culture that we play hard every single

possession. I know about that culture. Well, some people don't. Well, I mean, look at the way we break down in the Miami heat here. Talk about not watching sports. Sure, but. We've been right for three years. Have you watched a game? Hold on. Have I been wrong? Have I been wrong.

Hold on, hold on. There's some people on that roster who don't know about that culture. Well, that's right. And that's why. Calel, no. I was going to set you up. That's why he says, can I play, coach? Calel, no.

That's why they got to hit him with that. Don Lebatard. I've never stepped foot on that campus. If you told me right now, your life depends on it. Go to Santa Fe University and just take a picture. Stugats. I would die. I don't know where it is.

This is the Dan Lebatar show with the Stugat. Week 15 of the NFL begins tonight. You got Falcons. Hey, Thursday night football. Buccaneers. Watch hockey. Creamsicles. Now, we're not doing big game and not a big game right now, so no spoilers there. I'm going to just say this right now.

I do watch NFL football. You know what? I don't watch. I will refuse to watch Thursday night. football. Not some good games as of recent. I understand having that as like a fundamental principle over the last decade plus, but the games on Thursday night, Amazon's done a good job with their league

partnership to make sure these games are good. Now, maybe Falcons, Buccaneers does not tickle your fancy, but it is a pretty big game for the tape of baby. Okay, all right. You got me. I'll watch. I hate that, though. I miss when it was Blake Bortles against Marcus Mariotta and terrible uniforms when it

was the Jags and the Titans. Like, that's what Thursday Night Football should be. All right, so week 15 gets going tonight, which means we bring out the Dentech bucket. I don't think I could do this this week. Why don't you want to do it? Because I'm going to start gagging and coughing all over there. This is not mine.

The bucket is presented by Dentech Ultimate Fantasy Football Punishment. The next big fantasy football punishment is almost here. Watch for the reveal at Dentec.com. I got the Washington Commanders So they're at the Giants Jade and Daniels is not playing The Giants are favored by two and a half points Yeah, I'll put it back

You're keeping it. I'm putting it back I know I said something about Marcus Mayn't know The Rams That has to be good, right? Rams are hosting the Lions The Rams are a six and a half point favorite I'll take it Big game.

Two quarterbacks. That's a big lot. Double revenge game. Double revenge game. Yeah, double revenge game. There I go. I've had a good year at the bucket, and every time I say that, I end up losing Cincinnati. Cincinnati Bengals.

Hosting Baltimore. Ooh. They're two and out one. Home dog. Musling game for Rays. Home dog. Why are they a dog? Oh.

Man, this one's tough. I like the, I like the Bengals at home. Yeah. Those vingles are good. Ravans really suck Ah I want to regret that Live home dog

The G man Okay slide upgrade Jesus Christ I don't know if that's an upgrade I'd rather have Joe Burrow Let's see here I'm gonna dart in your net What

The Las Vegas raider and put it back You don't even want to see that they're at the Eagles And they're an 11 and a half point dog Yeah One o'clock start. Yeah, they need to take a look at that game from a... Eagles are sliding. They are.

They are. They are. They are. They are from Pete Carroll kicking a field goal. But it does seem like a pretty hopeless game for them. Damn, talk about hopeless. I got the Browns. Hey, Shador.

At the Bears. Negative 20 degrees. Good for you. Oh, good for me. You're a scaredy cat. Facts against the wall. I think I would rather have the Bengals. Yeah, me too.

I got the, uh, the fine bucket. All right, so $0 an automatic desk. No, no. Nope. What? You can't put that back here. You can't put the hot bucket back. You have to take a thousand years.

You have to take a punishment. Are you a thousand years? You don't know that? That's never been a rule. What are you talking about? Are you high? No. You can't triple seven a double stamp.

Is this your first day at work? Yeah. Also, I'll just give an update while everybody's walking into the other room. So I owe one punishment. Um, Roy is really. now going to owe a punishment. Tony owes three punishments. What?

Jujo was a punishment. Chris owes four punishments. Dan owes a punishment. Zaslo was a punishment. And that's it. See, you used to be able to put that one back, but someone got rid of the automatic black helmet of death. So now that

one's basically it. Did anybody tell anybody on the staffed at? Hey, look, you actually might have an argument. That would have changed your rummaging? How do you? Who cares who you knew? There are no arguments to be had, Eudonis Heis Hewold will take it up with you. Well, then you can follow me.

How about that? All right. All right. Stealers. Stealers, Monday night. Ooh, Steelers gets a Dolphins. Three and a half point favorite. You should keep it.

Dolphins are on the heater. Oh. America, three and a hundred out. Amit has these things, though. Amin has these visions. Good for you. No blue. He's got buffalo.

Circles of wagons. Oh, my God. Amin is indeed four and over the season. Yeah, minus one and a half point favorite against Drake May in Foxborough. That's an L, I mean. I think, uh... You should have kept the Steelers. Dominique says they're going to win the AFC.

I have the Cowboys. They are hosting Minnesota on Sunday night football. Minnesota! You know I'm going to keep that. There we go. Thanks again, the Dentech. All right. They wouldn't have it.

I feel good about my, but let me check the show. Borship, man. You want to swap this? Maybe Roy has an argument. But you know what? My mentality rules. Sorry, Roy. You're stuck with that.

Mike, can you explain something to me? The battle court rules, yes. All serves must be between the four and seven. You're allowed one fault. Those are the battle court rules. If your second serve does not land between the four and seven, that's points to the other team. There are three sets in a match. First team to six points.

points in a given set, when's that set? Do you, do you wager on the clones? Whoa. What are you doing? What are you doing? Who are you? He's an owner. You don't have to answer that.

I respect that. You don't have to answer that. I respect the fact that I'm an owner, although the league does encourage it. Okay, see, that's the point. Graf King's a proud partner of Battle Corps. How does that work? Because, you know, if you were an owner in the end of, like if Jerry Jones was betting on the Cowboys, that would be very frowned upon it.

It would be. But this is Highline. This is battle court. Like, you're allowed to do that. I technically am, but I choose not to sometimes, or at least as far as the listener knows. Has anyone ever accused you of, like, when, you know, the clones, when you're about to serve and it's like, ball says it eight, like, is it, you know. I don't do any of that funny business. You know what that is as?

It's fine business. That's the bullshit, and I don't do the bullshit. Suck a shit. Because sometimes ball says an eight. Like, I know how goes. Are you going to be locked in? This is a game that you can watch on YouTube, the ESPN app. Is that right?

Yes. I'm on ESPN. Well, I'm on ESPN tonight and tomorrow night, but I'm on. You can open up your ESPN app. I'll say live sports going on right now. You'll see that iconic Cyclone logo against a little Tasmanian devil holding a sesta. You click on

that first toss is at 7 p.m. The devil's going for their first ever battle court championship. We're going for our second. We were the first ever battle court champion. Should I mention it on ESPN while I'm watching it? Yes, it's corporate synergy. I need your support. All right. I got you.

I need your support. Yeah, I can't go. So I got you tomorrow. I want a championship celebration so bad. I need your support. Will we have a parade? Yeah, I was just going to ask the same thing. I would love to have a parade. There will certainly be a celebration.

A genuine real celebration. I'm going to drink out of that cup if we win it. Speaking of parades, is Intermiami doing a parade? Right? Shouldn't they? Well, I don't know that they should. Why? You don't think anybody's going to show up to a parade?

Forget Inter Miami. There's a messy parade outside. Well, where would they do it? No, no. That's not the question. You said, will people show up to a messy parade? Yes, they will. Will Messi show up to a messy parade?

That's the question. That's probably the thing. If he doesn't, it would get pretty messy. But the parade would have to be in Miami. They don't play in Miami. They will next year. Right. Would the parade be by the airport?

The construction zone around Freedom Park. Yeah, why haven't we heard if there's going to be a parade? Terminal D right down the conquest. Downtown Doral. That way people can fly out immediately afterwards. Talk about a place that we slammed. You do it in downtown Doral, overrun town. Like city place.

Can we do it in Kendall? Yeah. Yeah. By KSP, yeah. Yeah, by KSP. Beckham went to KSP one time and it was a circus. I'm going to tell you what. We do that.

Listen to me, inner Miami. You do that parade down Kendall and it ends at the Flanagan's there. Right, right next to KSP. I will ride across the street. I will zip line my way down. Zzz right from the top of the elsewhere. Can you explain something to me? Kendall?

Beautiful. Mike, nope, I understand Kendall, even though I don't understand Kendall. Yeah, I don't think you do. Dude, I'm older than you. I understand Kendall much better than you do. Anyway. Anyway, anyway. Anyway, exactly.

So, Mike was telling me this morning before the show started about, you know, Matthew Kachuk and his brother Brady Kachuk, they do a podcast now, which is making some headlines, by the way. What's it called? Brothers. The Kachks. Oh. I don't know. I don't know what it's called. Wing men.

Real or fake? It's called wing men. But, Mike, what were you telling me about this morning? You were asking me if I know about Poppin'em Zins? That's the most recent viral clip from the Wingman Pod with Matthew and Brady Kachuk. So you don't know about nicotine pouches. I don't know what that means. Nicotine pouches.

It gives you the buzz of a cigarette without inhaling the cigarette smoke. Is this an ad? Hold on. Is anyone here surprised that Zaz doesn't know about Zins? Doesn't he look like a Zinn, like, demigrap? I don't think so. Let me tell you. It's a guy that gets a tummy ache by him.

Proud sponsor. Oh, okay. Zins, you can get a little rush. It's like basically like a little nicotine jolt. Gives you, if you do too much, you can get the Zin spins. Don't get the Zin spins. But Matthew Kachuk explained, now hockey players happen to know. You don't have to do the image.

They are big nicotine pouch fans. Even though they don't smoke sigs? Dude, I heard an insane story in Tahoe that was a caddy. I'm not going to reveal which player, but he had the... What the name rhyme with? I'm not doing that. But there was, this dude brought stuff over from Sweden. Oh.

That was basically the, yeah. What is the stuff rhyme with? Sweden is essentially, I think, eliminated smoking because of how potent their pouches are over there. Really? And I overheard a story. about how certain hockey players in the NHL put these pouches in between their toes. There is a huge Zinn community in the NHL.

And Matthew Kachuk, who once did give me a Zin at a Miami Hurricanes tailgate, true story. You're not going to turn down a Zinn from Matthew Kachow. From between his toes? No, not from between his toes. And how do you take a Zinn? You sound like a Nark right now. I don't like the way you're doing this.

What do you think? Yeah, for real. Well, Upper Decky. Come on, what are you doing? You never heard of it. of a Zim before you never seen? No. You're not going to, if Matthew Kachuck offers you Zin, you're not going to say no. So Matthew Kachukuk is talking about zinning during a game and he gave this story on wingmen. I've only done this like a few

times in my career, but I say I get like a 10 minute era. Did this in the finals against Vegas. Did it like a few years ago. I like chirped the ref or somebody I get a 10. Whatever the cases. I haven't matured. Don't worry. I'll always put a couple of zins and my pants and bring into the box. Just get me through the 10 minutes. I know you've done the exact same too. Oh, man. That's all time. I've actually got a great story about the about the Zen thing. Last year we were playing Pittsburgh, I'm playing like, shit. Probably been playing terrible for a few games. And I get a 10-minute. It was like a minute left in the second. So I'm like, I'd have to sit in the box for nine minutes and start

the third. So I bring over a few Zeds. And this is like my first time doing it in a while. And I actually caught like a nice hum from it, like I'm dead serious, like a nice one. I come out of the box like, whoa. And then we get a power play right out. I'm like, I'm staying for the two minutes on this one. I sit at the bench. And I'd go out there. I stayed for the first minute. My unit changes, I stay out there. I'm off the side.

I'm like, fuck, I suck. Swaggy Toadrach shoots it. Misses the net by like five feet. It's off my inside from the knee and goes in for the time. The Boca's brothers came because that's why I bummed the Zen off. They thought it was the greatest thing. They're like, that is the luck that we need in.

They're like, there's no way. What a guy. Our entire franchise turned around because of him. A slump busting Zen. So what does putting it between the toes do? Your pores absorb it. This was, I was shocked to hear that story. It's like how Lennon used to do heroin between his toes.

Oh, don't talk about that. But they're injecting that. Yeah, but it's more potent there. Yeah, this gets absorbed by the pores between your toes. Hockey players. Have you ever smelled a hockey skate? Roy, I know you have. It's not, it's not.

No, I know. A very humid situation. That's sort of the worst smells in sports. It may be the worst smell. A lot of sweating. So in our arena, when I'm, Have you ever been in a hockey dressing room post-game? Yeah, because in our arena in Phoenix,

we used to have our minor league hockey team was the roadrunners. And they used to play in there. And so their locker room was like in one of the locker rooms. And sometimes you've got to go in there to get some stuff. And it's the most foul smell. I like, I can't say what it smells like. It's, yeah, it's back. Wow, family show.

Yeah, family show, exactly. I gave you guys an update here, most recent update on what's going on with Sharon Moore. Yeah. Dan Wetzel tweeted this out. The Washington County Prosecutor's Office tells ESPN, no decision on charging. Sharon Moore is expected today.

The former mission coach remains in custody. Quote, the matter involving Mr. Moore remains under active investigation by law enforcement. As a result, we do not expect charging decisions or in arraignment today. Mr. Moore remains in custody at the Washington County Jail. So in the movies, this is the part where you're in the interrogation room, you know and they're talking all this stuff talking like you're gonna charge me copper

then let me go yeah this is a detainment this would mean like it's a for his own good kind of detainment you could read between that line certainly i know otherwise how can they keep them there's a lot of internet rumor and innuendo there is an investigation pending i don't know exactly the rules so i don't want to get out ahead of my skates here on on how long they can hold them yeah i'm with you amine as a fellow cinephile. Hey, Cojack. Are you going to charge me with anything here?

Am I under arrest? Yeah, I think you can deduce several theories as to why he is in custody right now and not yet presently charged as an investigation is still ongoing. What's your favorite derogatory kind of sarcastic term to call a cop? I think Cojack might be mine. Call a guy Cojack. I don't like this game. It's a dangerous game.

Why? I back the blue. Yeah, that's fine. So I don't know if you saw this. Or if you heard me talk about this last week, I mean. I didn't. But I felt a little bit better when I saw this. And I'm clearly not the only one who's experienced something like this.

So I sent Mike Ryan this tweet yesterday from this senator, all right. This senator tweet. Ottawa Senator? This guy is called. Brady Cajuck? This guy is called Ruben Gallego. Yeah. From Arizona.

Oh, yeah. That's my guy. That's a funny coincidence. Say the last name again? You're Gallego. Gallego. Radic Bonk was right there for you, Roy. Yes.

So you like him? That's your boy then? I mean, I live in Arizona. All right. Ron Tugnut, top shelf name. So last week, I went to buy a plane ticket on JetBlue. And I was, you know, I saw the one price. It was a really good price.

And so then I put in for two people, and it was a huge price. I just want to be clear. Was it a plane ticket where you get on a plane or the place you get on a bus? Yes. I'm never going to let that happen again. All right. And by the way, I exposed that situation. Everybody's on to American Airlines now because of that. You're welcome, nonetheless.

So the price was like huge for two people. So I'm like, okay, let me get out of this. I'm going to buy them one at a time then because the price for one so much better. I'll just buy each of them separately. So I buy the one for myself. And then I go to buy the one for my wife. And it's that huge price. Like, whoa, what just happened here?

So right now I'm the only one who's coming home from Vegas on that trip. I don't have the ticket for my wife. And so the senator, he tweeted out. You ever notice the price of a flight suddenly jump right after you search it twice? Or how your grocery app mysteriously charges you more than your neighbor for the same produce. That's not just bad luck. It's surveillance pricing. Today, I introduced a bill to make it illegal.

No company should be able to use your personal data to charge you more. I'm like, I think this is what happened to me. It is. And then Mike said that that happened to him too. Yeah, trying to get to college station. had plans for a trip had okay, I'm going to have an early flight back Let me spring for the first class tickets here

Something about my travel plans change Try to get an earlier flight Go back No more first class That's now the main cabin price Matter of seconds I literally toggled back Yeah, mine was seconds

You guys want me to put you on game? Yeah Just a little something I like to call VPN So you put in a VPN You get to be in a certain place You can pick any place you really want right and you're oh i'm in new york i'm in houston i'm in here i'm in bangladesh it doesn't really matter where i am but i can search certain things get the you know not have the data

be sent back that oh this exact IP address is looking for this certain thing three or four or five different times if you're looking for tickets if you're looking for hotels uh rental cards whatever is that you get dynamic priced out of little VPN does that vpn also help me get access to like the good sites yeah that you can't get any more in florida ask me yeah you You know about them good sites, right? Man, I found a news, I'm not going to talk about it. I found a site that's a game changer. You have a game changer?

A game, if you like to read, I like to read. What we talk about? Well, news. Like news reporting, especially sports. You got a different kink, my friend. But let me hear it. Well, I mean, I don't know if I should be talking about it, man. Oh, I need to hear it now.

I don't know if I should be talking about it. But you talk about the good sites? I'm talking about, yeah. No, no, the other sites? No, I'll tell you, he's talking about the good sites. You know about I'm good sites? Look, hey, let me tell you something right now. You said you had a game changer for that one, too.

Not a VPN. I have an actual site that for whatever reason has circumvented the Florida laws. Ooh. Yeah. You give me that out of air? Can I do it on air? I don't know. I don't know, right?

No, it shouldn't. It's your thing. My, the bleep desk. I worry about if I put it out. out there. If you get caught. If you're the guy. I'm not even going to get...

No, they get caught. Because of you. I remember when Clear, nobody knew about Clear. Dog, I was doing cartwheels through the airport. When nobody knew about Clear, because back in the day, this is how I know if you were a day one clear like I was. Back in the day, when you went through Clear, they wouldn't just, you know, cut you in line to verify.

They would then escort you to... Walking to the front of the TSA agent. To the front of the conveyor belt. Everybody else like, why don't he got to... because I paid for it. That's why they would land you right there. Like, is that guy famous? What is he doing?

Exactly. And then you walk right through it. I think that's Amino Hassan. And then at some point, I think it might have been my fault. I don't know. It's clear. It's really great. And next thing I knew, it's like, no, all we do is cut you in the line right here,

which if you have priority, like, at an American Airlines hub, you already have a line that's shorter than the other one. So, the clear doesn't really do you any favors. I'm not going to make the same mistake twice. I will not say the name of the site. Just to be clear, you're talking about porn, right? Man, this show really needs a female voice.