The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 2: The Shit-ification of America Continues

Episode Date: March 12, 2025

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basketball tournament time. And somehow Notre Dame has gone on to the second round. They're playing North Carolina today. I don't watch a lot of men's college hoops, but I do watch Notre Dame, and they are not very good. They got away with one yesterday in the first round against Pitt, a controversial foul call at the end of the game,

and so they are a 10 and a half point dog against North Carolina, Taylor's Tar Heels, so I'm taking Taylor's Tar Heels to cover that. Against the Sprats! Billy, bring us home. I'm gonna head on to the ice since my team, the Anaheim Ducks, wow, they don't have the best record. They only have 63 points in the Western Conference,

but they're taking on the Utah Hockey Club just ahead of them in a standing with 67 points. Now, here's the thing. We're 3-0 when we take the Ducks in against the spread. Not because they've won all those games, but because they've covered. And in hockey, essentially every game is a one and a half point or goal spread, right? Now how have they done against each other head to head? Great question.

They have played two times this year, October 16th and December 22nd. Both times the Anaheim Ducks came out victorious by a score of five to four. In October, it was an overtime. In December, it was a shootout that decided the game. Either way, five to four is only a one goal difference. And here, games in Utah, Utah Hockey Club is favored by one and a half goals. They haven't beat the Ducks yet this year.

In the last five, both teams are two and three. You know what? I'm not gonna say that the Ducks are gonna win, but I am gonna say that they're gonna cover. Ride the Ducks. You know what we say here at Against the Spread? Ducks fly together. Against the Spread!

The Quack Attack is back, Jack. College Hoops, we are doing a Sunday livestream. We should not be. Why not? Because I believe it's the least informed college basketball selection show hoops we are doing a Sunday live stream we should not be why not because I believe it's the least informed college basketball selection show that there has ever been that's why you tune in because we're having fun wait it's two guys gonna be here for it I don't know I don't know it can't be the least it's a it's a good question but on Sunday we are doing a live stream during selection

Sunday and we're gonna have an assortment of surprises for you. I'm also gonna be surprised by them because I was dragged into this because I'm pretty sure Billy's just trying to agitate me by giving me away as a reward at the end of our own March Madness, March Sadness tournament, which over the years has been deteriorating.

Well, I mean, because of your attitude, I would say. You're setting this up like this is terrible. If we were to embrace this as we could as a show, this would be great. I would advise people to go to levitardaf.com if you wanna be part of this year's tournament. I went through late night yesterday, I was watching the videos,

and I kind of was viewing it as though I was conducting job interviews while I was watching the videos and I kind of was viewing it as though I was conducting job interviews while I was watching these videos and it was really giving me a glimpse into who I would hire at certain positions. And I don't know if you guys would agree with my hires but I was on the hiring committee last night and I will say this, we got some options here.

Wow. Okay, so if I were you guys I would get in because I will tell you this and I don't want to create any urgency here, but we're gonna be ranking these people the next, I'd say two days, so if you want to get in, I think today is kind of right around the last opportunity you're gonna have, unless you want to do tomorrow,

then maybe we'll check it tomorrow, but we're starting to rank these teams, and lo and behold, we have surpassed the 64 entrants that I was hoping that we would get. So we're gonna be eliminating people. Right now, I got two folders. You're gonna wanna be in one of the two folders. The two folder options right now are approved

and the other option is reviewed, not approved. That's the folder you want to avoid. Don't wanna be in that one. So come in, send a video, Levitard AF submit and tell us why you you should be watching the game with Dan or why you're the biggest fan or really? Whatever you want because I've learned in watching these videos some of you are not sticking to a script whatsoever You're just talking about whatever you want are the rules Be funny be less be 30 seconds or less like really is the most important telling you funnies your best way on beat you I would say be you because there's a lot of, if I'm gonna tell you.

Boston University? I'm gonna say this right now, don't be you. No, no, be you, because I'm gonna tell you right now, the reviewed not approved folder is filled with some funny guys that were not very funny. So if you're trying to be a funny guy, I'm not sure how you're gonna do on this job interview. So if you want, I would even say,

if you're taking this seriously like a job interview, maybe you wear a suit, maybe a dress to impress, maybe a dress for the job that you want. Try, in other words. Not try, don't, be yourself. Don't try, unless you're funny and then be yourself. Here's the best advice I can give you. Try to be yourself or the version of yourself

that you think I would pass through to the next round, whatever that means, in 30 seconds or less. Billy, I would pay money to commission a pretty woman-style montage of you watching these videos and shaking your head no, no, no, no, no. It's very sad. I had all the lights out because it was after bedtime in my house

and light gets through the cracks of the door So I was literally just sitting in the dark Dude, it was like 840. It was a late night. It was a late night Do you have like a John Gruden closet with like mounds of tapes and then just screens and no I have an office that I could have done it in but I decided I'm gonna do this on the couch But again, it was pitch black and the only light was coming from my laptop last night while I was watching these videos. It was very sad, if I'm gonna be honest. It was a very sad night.

It feels a little sad. It was, yeah. You hiding under the covers. We put the sad in sadness last night in the Gill household, yeah. All right, so Billy Gill is working hard on a tournament. The big reward at the end is you get to watch the game with me.

I don't even want the obligation of having to watch the game, nevermind with somebody. Can I tell you something? And I'm gonna break the fourth wall here me. I don't even want the obligation of having to watch the game, nevermind with somebody. Can I tell you something? And I'm gonna break the fourth wall here, and I shouldn't, but. Well don't then. No, I wanna hear it. I just want you guys to be in the process.

So I was doing this, and the thing is now, I believe this is gonna lead to a lot of fraud in these videos. One of the people that I passed through was submitting a video from Alaska, and very clearly from Alaska, outside in the glaciers drinking coffee, making his pitch as to why he would be here.

That's a good start. Yeah, good start. I honestly thought, I'm gonna pass this through and leave the fate of this person up to the fans, just because I wanna see logistically how we're going to arrange to get someone here from Alaska. He was on the fence, and I said, you know what? We didn't promise first class tickets.

Well, no, no, no, no. Like, grayhound. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Oh dude, a grayhound? You gotta leave now. Yeah, anyways. A cruise, a 30 day cruise. Start heading out to

LevitardAF.com All the way around. If you wanna submit a video here. Join us for the fun. I'm here for this guy doing the, what is it, St. Peter's run to the final four, just solely based on you're in the middle of nowhere. I've just noticed Billy a couple of times

while promoting this, that one of the things he keeps doing is, well, the fans can vote for whatever it is that they want. Yeah, it's a fan voting thing. So you can vote for somebody that you'd simply find funny sitting next to Dan for an entire game. Oh wow. It's up to entire game. Like, wow. It's up to the fans.

This is democracy. That would be the best outcome of the week. This is what he's trying to do. Pro democracy, I'm not gonna apologize for that. Billy, I'm gonna apologize to you. You're right, be yourself. Because if I know how the depths of the weirdness of our fan base goes, I want the weirdest thing

next to Dan. I'll tell you this. We have a type. We definitely have a type. Dude. I mean, steak sauce isn't gonna win. I haven the weirdest. I'll tell you this. We have a type. We definitely have a type dude. I mean steak sauce isn't going to win. I haven't seen steak sauce yet. I don't think more steak sauce. Talk. I always love when that happens. Can we do start of the day please? Start of the day. Start of the day. And this is the start of the day. Start of the day. Start of the day. And this is the start of the day. Start of the day, start of the day, and this is the start of the day. Start of the day, start of the day, and this is the start of the day.

Start of the day, start of the day, and behind victory last night against the Brooklyn Nets, they have now won 15 games in a row for the second time this season. In NBA history, only five other teams have done that, won 15 plus games in a row, twice in the same season. The last team to do it was the 2006, 2007 Phoenix Suns, where I was employed. Wow, a self-involved stat of the day. You did that just to celebrate you they've had three 12 game winning streaks

Which suggests that they what did that team win? I mean the 61 games. Yeah, but what else cute? Oh, we won David Stern's asshole interpretation of what coming off the bench for a fight means Yeah, that year that was that year. That was the best, that's the best Phoenix Suns team there's ever been. Better than the Barclay team. There's a Suns team that made the final. There's two Suns teams that made the finals. The Devin Booker, Chris Paul team most recently,

and then the Barclay and 93 team. And it's funny on Oddball, which you can check out Monday through Thursday on DraftKings network, me and Izzy, we interviewed Channing Frye yesterday, asking him about questions about the Suns, excuse me, about the Cavs. Put him under the spotlight, right, for him to defend the Cavs.

And he said all these platitudes, and he thinks this team's gonna win the championship. And I mean, he just kept praising and praising how like this is unprecedented what they're doing. And then I asked him, played the 2016 calves they'd beat you guys right and he's oh hell no right, and so That's what I feel like when I talk about like those sons teams a lot of I think that was a son But the best son team ever but I'm pretty sure if we asked Charles he'd tell us that he'd stomp us He just opened up a door for another game.

Channing Frosty, Channing Side Salad. Channing Junior Cheeseburger. That's what I said, Channing McMuffin. Channing Junior. Channing... Junior. Channing Nuggets, what are the nuggets called? Channing Happy Meal.

Well now you guys are going cross brands. Channing Con Leche. Oh, we got another winner. Channing Bacon. We got another, oh Channing Bacon, there you go. Doesn't ring, doesn't flow as well as Kevin. Or Fry. Did I hear Jessica threatening Southwest Airlines earlier?

I mean, God, it is just, the shitification of America continues. Private equity taking our precious consumer-friendly brands and companies and then making them just like every other company that is extracting every last penny from the consumer. They are getting rid of their free bag check policy. One of the only reasons you would ever fly on Southwest.

Also, two reasons. I like a line. I like getting in line. Like, what am I? I'm 17. All right, I'll stand right here. Thank you. You like the like a line. I like getting in line. Like what am I, I'm 17? All right, I'll stand right here. Thank you. You like the open seating? You like the waiting line?

I'm 17, I'm six. Oh, what number are you? What number are you? You're 12 or you're supposed to be up there? What are you doing back here? Get up there. You guys don't do this? You like this?

I do like it. Like the whole like, the moment of what number are you? And you have to ask people, oh, I'm six, sorry. I'm up here. Do you follow that rule? You strike me as someone who's like, I don't like it. Be one through 30 and you have to ask people, oh I'm six, sorry, I'm up here. Do you follow that rule? You strike me as someone who's like, we're going B1 through 30 and you're like, I'm B60 but I'm B60.

I don't like it when somebody's not in the right spot. No, Chris, you're a floater for sure. You're kind of hovering around the middle point where you know you're supposed to be way in the back. I go exactly where my number is. I'm seven, I am like, oh this is five and 10, I am standing right in the middle, right where seven would be.

Respectfully. I don't believe you. Respectfully, bullshit. I'm telling you, it's Southwest. Get them chickens out. Get them chickens out. Yo, chicken thot. You gave them a shopping cart away,

there's no way you're standing in the middle of the line. I'm so glad I can't find anything. You're finally up to somewhere. Cheaters, cheaters, they're a prosper. Maybe they don't notice that I'm out of here. I don't believe you. development of one chicken coming in in the defense, right? And they're the fraud chickens. There's no, there's no public defender chicken in there. The chickens used to be undefeated,

but then I think they got beat the other day by Taylor, and it was the first time the chickens have ever been beaten, and they haven't been the same since, I would say. Taylor? That's an upset that would shake any franchise to its core. There was something, I think that's what happened. The chickens used to be undefeated,

and then very quietly, the chickens took a loss out of nowhere. that would shake any franchise to its core. I think that's what happened. The chickens used to be undefeated, and then very quietly, the chickens took a loss out of nowhere. Some might say they came home to roost. Anyways, Southwest used to be the budget airline where you wanna get away, it cost $80 to fly from Midway to Phoenix, Sky Harbor, and you get two free bags, and you don't have a seat.

You probably sit in the middle somewhere in the back because you forgot to check in 24 hours ahead, or you remembered, but there were so many people that paid for the early bird check-in that you were still in B35 anyways. Bastards. Now it costs a ton of money, and you gotta pay for bags apparently.

Why would you ever fly Southwest? And they're gonna do assigned seating too. It's just a regular airline now. It's just a regular airline now. It's just a regular airline. But they're just all the same aircraft? Okay. And like, their system is also still ancient because they had that huge outage a couple years ago because there was a snowstorm and they do a different thing than every other airline and they go from city to city to city instead of having like these major hubs or some, I remember reading some dark, deep rabbit

hole about Southwest and why they couldn't recover from this big snowstorm. So assuming they haven't updated that yet, maybe they have. It's just like, why would you do this? You guys ever learn something in school and then think, when am I ever gonna use this? And then like decades later, it's like, oh my God. Yes, literally everything I learned about the Cold War. But go on.

Da-da-da. All right, so I did a case study on Southwest when I was in business school, right? And so their whole thing was based on two things, right? Or three things. Number one, they don't have unions, right? Number two, they have the same aircraft, as Jessica said. Every single plane in the fleet is a 737.

Why is that? So that way, if anything goes wrong, they can just slide another plane over. If there's a part, every single Southwest hub has that part because it's all the same plane. And then number three, at the time, this was right, this has been right before the housing crash, right around the time of the housing crash,

they had shorted, they locked in on the gas prices. So when oil prices spiked for everybody, they stayed low. That's how they had the low fares. Now in time that ran out, right? And so the oil prices started going up, fuel prices started going up, and so their fares started going up. But they still were able to get around it,

like I said, because of lack of unions and because of this ability to mix and match around. But what's happened, and particularly since COVID, is the traveler has become quote unquote more sophisticated. The CEO of South West talked about this. People want perks like an upgrade to first class, which obviously South West doesn't have. People want the ability to choose their seat because of what Jessica described. No one wants to pay. if I'm paying the same fare on a Southwest flight as I would a United and American flight,

and I have to risk maybe sitting in 32B, not so much, not such a great proposition. And so what happened was they had an advantage early on, but their advantages are running out. So even now as they're rolling out new 737s, those 737s are still less advanced than the equivalent from American and Delta and the other planes.

So basically for the same fare, I'm not getting quite the same experience and that's why I'm here. So Jessica's out, you're out, this is the last straw for you. Once you've charged me for my bags, that's it Southwest, Your days are numbered. What's the nature of the threat?

Yes. That, it costs now probably the same as any other airline if you have to fly with multiple bags. It used to be like you bring a big suitcase and your golf clubs and they'd both be free. That costs like $80 on United or American. You want me to hit you with some more? Unless you have status.

Some more hard facts here. You know the one I get away fair that everyone loves, the $80 from United or American. Unless you have status. You want me to hit you with some more hard facts here? You know the one I get away fare that everyone loves, the $80 from Midway to Phoenix? Now, there used to be no change fees, right? And same day flight change, they got rid of those. What? Okay, so like all of college I used to go to as many away Notre Dame games as I could go to.

And I would do it super cheap. I would drive to Midway from South Bend, fly on like a $60 flight. I'd book like the 10.30 p.m. flight on Southwest and accrued all these miles. And you could change it at the last minute and if something comes up that's cheaper, you can keep the difference

and like there's a credit, whatever. Like it was super cheap to fly anywhere domestically, especially if you went out of like small or shitty, like uh... that's what they used to fly in the gas that was also one of the things they used to keep the prices low they flew into the unpopular airports they i remember they didn't go to look wardia or jfk you have to fly to long island is slip yes right yes i remember when they didn't fly into i don't think the flu though hair they were just me just i yeah they just are flying out of where'Hare, I think in the last two years.

Fort Worth, no. Dallas Love Field, yes, right? So that was their whole thing. And all of those things slowly but surely have fallen by the wayside because guess what? No one wants to fly into Islam. Howdy everybody, it's Mike Ryan. Have you heard of Gold Belly?

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What did you do on Southwest? Like what is it? But why were you doing a case study on Southwest Airlines? Can you guys look up something for me? My understanding is the original premise for Federal Express was submitted as a thesis in college and got a C- as a business that would never be able to function Federal Express. Why is it or how is it that you came to be doing a case study on Southwest?

You've never sounded older than calling FedEx Federal Express. I'm sorry. We forgive you. Yeah. That's okay. That's an okay thing. Thank you. Okay mistake.

We accept. We accept your apologies. The young people accept this? Yes. We knew what you meant. How did you get to be? I'm not gonna lie, I was like, what the hell is he talking about? And then I was just Yep, we accept your apologies. The young people accept this? Yes. We knew what you meant. How did you get to being? I'm not gonna lie, I was like, what the hell is he talking about?

And then I was just like, oh. Then when you're in business school, it's basically just case studies. They take businesses that are successful, some businesses that aren't successful, and you do a whole deep dive into what made them great or what made them not great. Well, let me ask you this question

as someone who cares about the business of basketball. Did you see what Brian Phillips wrote? I think he wrote this for The Ringer. It was a story about how it is our consuming habits have changed specifically as it relates to sports and basketball. And when we talk about ratings around here, and I generally hate ratings talk

as emblematic of anything, but ratings talk when it's paired with the changing habits of viewers in basketball who are basically, not just basketball, but we are, many people, consuming sports through tweets, through data points, through clicks, through clips, through data points, through clicks, through clips, through reels, through highlights, not necessarily games, and I'm not sure that's bad.

As long as the economy of interest gets fed, I don't think it matters that our habits are changing so much that we are often consuming sports, many people, without watching the games. They're just getting cliff notes. Dan, it's awful for one simple reason, and this all goes back to the NBA issue with the ratings, which is we can't monetize that,

or at least not to the scale that we can monetize TV ratings. And so while Brian Phillips wrote this wonderful piece, it's pretty much echoing something that I said, I think on this show maybe three years ago, where I told the story of we had a caller call in, I was doing my SiriusXM MBA radio show, caller calls in and he says,

I listen to SiriusXM MBA radio every single day. I follow all the newsbreakers, Brian Winters, Chris Haynes, Mark Stein, all the guys, right? I'm reading all the opinion pieces and then the deep data analysis from Kevin Arnovitz and from Tom Habister and Zach Lowe. I, every day I open up YouTube and I watch the game shorts and stuff.

I'm on Instagram, I'm watching all the highlights. He's like, this is someone, I said this is the perfect customer. He touches our product on every level. And then he said, I haven't watched a game in two years. So the number one way we make money, the number one place we make money, that guy does not consume there.

But all the free samples at the mall that we give out, the Costco samples pretty much, he's devouring them. He's going to Costco every day. He's getting all the free samples, but he's not actually buying he's going to costco everyday he's going all the free samples please i think buying anything in the in this analogy what doesn't matter though televisions paying for the games it doesn't matter whether that person is consuming the games the way you want them to uh... you

would you'd like their dollars eventually but you get their dollars if we're doing a spectrum of he's uh... that person't the norm, that person is one of the changing ways of how it is that we consume this stuff. As long as you have both, as long as you have television paying for that product and you have the interest over here, what difference does it make? So that was the prevailing theory

over the last maybe eight, 10 years, right? But then we got our first kind of like crack in the permafrost, if you will. And that's David Zaslav, the CEO of Warner Brothers Discovery saying, why do we need to play for the NBA? That's a lot of money. We could take that money and spend it on other things. He recently defended that decision, incidentally.

Recently said that was good. I went into, he said said we've gone into other sports and we've saved money over there. And the shares have gone up. Like, at least in the short term right now. I wouldn't look now. Yeah, now's not exactly the time to look. It's been a brutal week.

Don't look now? Yeah, it's been a bad week. At Yale in 1965, Frederick Smith wrote a paper in which he outlined that there would be hubs and spokes that would help Create something that eventually would be FedEx. He started it in 1971 after serving four years in the Marine Corps in Vietnam He fed into the story that this paper Received a C, but in fact, there's no way to verify it

He later in a 2002 interview said that he doesn't really remember what grade that he got. So for 40 years this story perpetuated and continues to this day, Dan, 20 years after he clarified. That was back in 1965. And now his son is the offensive coordinator for the Steelers.

Sunrise, sunset. Mad Dog looks smoldering on first take. He's going silver fox, he's going a lot of gray stub stubble and this is the best that he's ever looked on television Good look Dan. Yes. He Mad Dog has totally reinvented himself and Has become a juggernaut here in the modern age. Isn't it amazing in the history of mankind? We went from a time where beards are cool and then all of a sudden beards aren't cool And then beards are cool and the beards aren't cool and now beards are cool again Are they put it on the pole at lebatard show our beards cool again?

Yes, or no look at how many people have beards like like mad dog would never have had a beard Ten years ago, I think they're widely accepted in professional settings now where maybe 20 years ago, it was like you had to, you know, even the Yankees changed their facial hair. Yeah, because of D.D. Vance. Do you guys have any reaction? We're late in the show today and yesterday. I'm not gonna say that anything around Tiger Woods

happens quietly, but Tiger Woods ruptured his Achilles. Tiger Woods has not been golf relevant in a long time, although he is still obviously very famous, and the resume is something that's going to endure. He will draw crowds wherever he goes for the remainder of his life, but to hear Achilles tear and then to hear him say, it went well, I'll be back soon,

I just thought to myself, no, that's all over. Everything there is over. Once we've gotten to the Achilles portion of I've had bad back and everything else, doesn't that just signal that that's the end of everything going on well with his body? No, Dan, because you gotta understand. Tiger Woods now has a blueprint he's gotta follow.

It's LeBron and Bronny, and now he's got his own little Bronny, and he's gotta play on the tour at the same time As Brani and that's what the new thing is now everyone every great athlete you see now their new mission is to do it long Enough for their protege or another project their product prodigy They're they're prodigy progeny prodigy. That's the word I'm looking for their progeny to compete with them at the same time That's the ultimate flex right looking for. Their progeny to compete with them at the same time. That's the ultimate flex, right? It's like, how great am I?

Yeah, that thing that came out of my ball sack like 15, 18 years ago, now it's doing the same thing I'm doing. I don't know that he phrased it that way. That's how he phrased it. I mean, it really didn't come out of his ball sack. It came out of his ball sack. Directly.

Well, it took a route. There's two. But it started in his ball sack. Well, okay. Part of it. Ball sack sports. I two. But it started in his ball sack. Well, okay. Part of it. Ball sack sports. I don't think you can give his ball sack even half the credit really.

Not half the credit? Maybe 49% to his ball sack. And that's being generous. 50-50 action, little 50-50 action. It got a start in there, you know, it starts in it. And then it heads somewhere else, but it starts here. Where does it head? Where does it head? So Tiger, did he get hurt in there, you know, it starts in there. Then it heads somewhere else, but it starts here. Where does it head? Where does it head?

So Tiger, did he get hurt in his own like digital golf league, TGL? Because he's saying that he didn't, but that's all the activity that we've seen him doing lately. But he also then can't go out and say, I got injured in this league that I started, and you guys should still watch it, and it's fun and no one ever gets hurt, right?

I've been to one of his putt putt courses, which is called Poppa Shot? Poppa, Poppa Scott? That has nothing to do with TGL. Okay. Well, hold on, let's see where it's going. No, it's not going anywhere. It could be.

It died right there. Nump, did you see? He wanted to get in there, didn't have anything, spit out, burped out a couple of words, nothing made sense, and he just bailed on the whole thing. Time to throw away all journalistic credibility and get reckless. Here is something we like to call reckless speculation.

You're good. I'm not recklessly speculating anything. I'm just asking if anyone thinks- You're saying there's a cover up with Tiger Woods. No, I wouldn't. I didn't say that. I'm asking if you guys, why you guys aren't saying that. Yeah.

Why aren't you guys saying that is what I'm asking? I'm not saying it because he I don't think he said where he tore it I think he said I did I definitely didn't do it here He's hurt and I went to the doctor like by the way, it's ruptured I believe he said in ramping up for this upcoming season. Yeah, he wanted to play later I think next month, but he'll play with Charlie like The Golden Bear is out there for a tournament a year. You know what I mean? Jack Nicholson.

Yeah, he just has to be out there for, you know. Jack Nicholson hasn't played a tournament since probably 2002. Jack Nicholson has never. Jack Nicholson shows up. Arnold Palmer, whatever the hell his name is, whatever. I just purposely fucked up, Chris. I said Jack Nicholson earlier when we were talking

about a few good men and no one corrected me. I thought you were doing that on purpose I thought that was a joke so many references during the show it's impossible to keep up honestly The little Wayne one today was incredible Chris. I got your ass when did Billy think Jack Nicholas last played in the tournament is what I Wanted he's he like Jack Nicholas or owner Palmer one of them is always out there like a gusto owner Palmer's no longer with us We did the loose Arnold Palmer is no longer with us. Oh, we did the loose ring. Arnold who? Arnold Palmer.

Where'd he go? Wow. Arnold Palmer is no longer with us. Dead? Yes. He lives in the drink though. The old golfers would come out to the Masters and hit the first tee shot.

Is that what you're talking about? Yeah, they go out there, they play, they walk around after two holes, they're like, I'm on my back, and then they stop. He can do this with Charlie. And now that he has his computer digital Golf simulator he goes out there TGL like he could definitely play with Charlie Charlie throwing chicken nuggets They have played together. He got a hole in one as a whole thing. Yeah, exactly He means on the PGA tour I get Charlie's still very young

The reason I'm not recklessly speculating about Tiger Woods getting hurt is because this is what Tiger Woods does he gets hurt He's just been, it's very unfortunate because he's one of the greatest golfers of all time, but this has been the story of his. Multiple instances. When you later in his career. This has been the story of his career for like two decades now is that he's had all these injuries

probably from being really good at golf and the way he plays golf. We're burying the lead here. The real issue is that his son's name is Charlie. What? Gotta be Tiger Jr., man. Dude, I have such a good idea, and I'm wondering if you- Tiki!

I think only Amin will follow me on this one, because it's just, it's kind of out there, this idea. It's been a while since we've heard any headlines on these people, right? Dude, Liv should sign Charlie Woods. And then you just put Woods on all of your promotional stuff going forward. You throw a boatload of money at Charlie Woods

if you're Liv just to get people out there. And like, is Tiger not gonna go to support his son? Because that's crazy, right? You sign Charlie Woods to a massive deal if you're Liv, and you find a way to get Tiger there by kind of going around the system where Tiger wouldn't sign with them to begin with. This is why I feel a little bad for Bronnie

because we're talking about like, they should sign Bronnie. We're mapping out this chart for a 16 year old. Dude, Liv should sign Bronnie. Dad is the most famous person at his sport in probably of all time. Obviously LeBron, maybe second most. We're not gonna do that debate today.

Why not? But he never had a chance. Never had a chance at choosing or being normal in their sport. It just makes me feel, I don't feel the most bad for them. There's obviously people in the world I feel worse for. But this is why I feel a little bad for Bronnie. Tiger's real name is Eldrick.

I think we need to get Bronnie and Charlie animal names, nicknames that replace their names. Tiger's real name is Eldrick. Cub Woods. We call him Tiger. Yeah, Cub's a good one. Bronnie, maybe we give an animal name to, or Charlie can just take on the same thing as dad did.

Why does Bronnie need an animal name? Just cause it helps. No, I'm telling you what Billy said is accurate. We wanna get Charlie some money. But you know how you do that? By not naming him Charlie. You gotta name him Tiger or Tiggy or Tigger or something like Tigger Woods.

Tigger Woods. Eeyore Woods. No, Tigger Woods. Tigger Woods. Tigger Woods. Careful. Because, well, Tigger Woods. Tigger Woods. Tigger Woods. Careful. Because, well, Tigger Woods. How about that? Tigger Woods.

I've been scared for a minute. But Jake will write his music or not. Wild Billy Wednesday. Yeah. Do you guys want to hear a funny headline someone just sent me? Kevin Bacon spent a day as a regular person. Quote, I was like, this sucks. I was going to just say Charlie Bacon,

put Charlie Bacon on the live poster. Bacon Woods. Bacon Woods. Again, getting back to the story from yesterday though, the idea that Tiger Woods would now have an Achilles tear, when I heard that, you give me old athlete plus Achilles tear almost when I heard that, you give me old athlete plus Achilles tear almost throughout the history of sports.

I'm saying, okay, everything there is now over. Because- Wait, wait, wait, you can't do this the day after the Aaron Rodgers conversation. I think that the Achilles tear to an old athlete is such a rehab, such a rigorous, difficult rehab that- That's Aaron's injury. That I, yeah, but Tiger Woods is how old now?

He's not 42. But it's a different sport. I know it's a different sport, but you just met... Davis loved the third running around playing golf still, isn't he? No. I think he is. Ain't nobody telling me like,

oh, yo, I tore my Achilles, I'll never play golf well again. No, get outta here, man. I just think his body has broken so many different times and ways that when he's mentioning Jack Nicklaus, which I assume you're doing because it's 18, he's got 18 majors, that that's the reason

you're still playing if you're Tiger Woods, is to try to get to 18 by any means necessary so that you in your 50s can have the moment that Jack Nicklaus had when he was, what was the age Jack Nicklaus was when he won his last major? They'll look that up, but I just wanna point out that Mike Ryan, of all people, hit a hole in one. I don't think that sport is that hard.

Okay, don't do that. It's turned into a hole in one, it's not. It was like seven feet from the hole. Okay. You talking about the par three with the driver? With the white belt. Nicklaus was 46. So he's really still alive but you know what tiger could do if he wants to stick around is he could follow that path that

you're not saying LeBron James is taking and just do some PEDs he's wondering no no you'd have to ask someone else to ask okay that's so should I ask Dan if he wants to ask if tiger should Dan do he wants to ask if tiger should Dan Do you want to ask if tiger should take some PEDs here to recover from the Achilles entry? You know I'm okay with all people who want to use whatever medicine and science they can use in order to keep themselves feeling good and feeling younger I just want to hear Chris say Arnold Palmer again the water palmers It's a tough one.

That's good. I can't say it. It happens sometimes. I was like, hey, I have the sound of her. And I can't say it. That's happened to me. The Warner Palmer's. Too many L's.

You've made it one word. Should be Palmer. If it was Palmer, this would be way easier. Arnold Palmer. We should give him an animal name. Tiger. The Warner Palmer's Tiger Palmer zebra woods zebra

But that means his dad is hunting him Hmm. No tigers don't see how did you guys receive this news? How did you Chris? You're the only golf fan among us. It's sad like you just want to see tiger at this point And this means we're not gonna see the second time in the show today. First Dan's like, no one watches college basketball. I'm sitting right here. Then Dan's like, no one watches golf. I'm sitting right here. You watch golf?

Yes. Charlie Con Leche. The honor palm was. Do you have thoughts on this? Well, let's hear what Chris says about how he received the news. No, I just said that I don't, it's sad that Tiger won't be seen.

At this point, you're not expecting him to win, you're not expecting him to even compete, you just want to see him start a tournament and finish the tournament, and it doesn't look like we're ever gonna see that again. For me, it felt like the crescendo and the great moment was the Masters, and it kind of felt like it was great

because we knew that was probably it, right? But that teased you and was like, oh, is he gonna be back now for, and it was just like, no. Did not tease me a little bit. I was like, this is actually insane that this happened. And that's, I mean, that was why, because I didn't think it would ever happen again.

When he's been healthy, he could still compete, but the health thing is just never gonna happen again. What does that mean exactly, when he's healthy, when you get to the legendary parts of careers where the audience or the customer is experiencing the end of your career is sad like what I there are famous moments that I remember and famous moments that are talked about in sports it's Muhammad Ali is one I remember getting beat up by Trevor Burbick in the Bahamas

Willie Mays stumbling out of a batter's box at the end of his career I don't know if this felt like that to you guys but because of his age because of a waning excellence that comes with that age the only reason we're talking about hope here is because of what Amin does which is Golfing's not that hard but it is that hard and it's hard on the body and when you have back issues specifically and then other stuff starts breaking down as well he's already having difficulty just walking courses if it's there's a he's playing with a great deal of pain in pursuit of whatever it is that he used to be this didn't feel like that because we didn't see the injury we

just saw the post on social media We've we've had moments like that what those times where he hit the shot and then just collapse on the course Right or like walk watching him like walk Augusta and like you could tell he's just in pain Yeah, you tell me the dude doesn't walk no more It's so hard to walk. Greg Cody made the argument that he should be the only one allowed to use a cart Which I agree with