The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 2: The Truth About The Belichick Ring Cam Story (feat. Pablo Torre)

Episode Date: May 12, 2025

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The Smirnoff Company, New York, New York. I want to get to Pablo Torre and as a reporting, it seems excessive. Eleven people, eleven journalists, eleven sources on a story that is just supermarket tabloid junk. But before I do that, the exact Draymond Green quote, and it's a great one, I'm not an angry black man, I'm great at basketball, I'm great at what I do, the agenda of trying to make me

look like an angry black man is crazy, I'm sick of it, it's ridiculous. I think calling him the angry black man is almost the fairest time that you can ever say that in sports, and be ablest time that you can ever say that in sports. And be able to feel like you can quantify it. Like your play suggests you're angry. It's part of why you're great,

it's part of why you're crazy. Why are you guys making me punch my teammates? Why are you guys making me put Rudy Gobert in a chokehold? So why are you making me kick other players in the balls? Everyone knows I'm going to get ejected and miss a game before the finals. We all know this. You're gonna get suspended like what? Shame on all of you right so Pablo Draymond green angry black man. Yes or no

What's it? What I love the grocery store is this because I want to be in the different one you guys are in the Can we call this black guy really angry? really angry aisle and I'm just trying to be over here doing, you know, real journals. I will say, I will say that Draymond Green seemingly discovering that flagrants don't count against his technical count, quietly brilliant. Quietly brilliant if that's a solution to not being banned himself is to just flagrant foul people instead of technical foul people. Why would people, why would Draymond Green, why would he get mad about being called angry? Well and where did it even come from? Like what was the... Well I think there's a very simple answer here is that

Draymond Green is grasping for any amount of spin around what is unquestionable and well documented behavior and he's like this feels like a thing that people would have sympathy for, and so he says it. I don't think it's much deeper than that. I think Dre Mongreid has no credibility on the question of, does he do things uncontrollably? The only question is how intentional is his recklessness? Are you saying that this is manipulation,

that this is public manipulation to just start a race fire around him because he loves to be in the center of conflict? Jim Leland used to say this about Barry Bonds. He'd go and invent things so that he could have all sorts of dumpster fires around him. Well, I also think it's something that I'm sure he's bothered by. Like if you're Draymond Green and you're rationalizing to yourself, why does no one understand my genius as a basketball player? You go to something that feels like it might be generally true of people who are like

you, even if specifically it is absolutely not the reason why people think you have a deserved reputation. Is it fair to be like, hold on Draymond, like I understand in the entire climate during your professional career, it's not okay, especially for someone like me or a sports center anchor to call you an angry black man. We realize that that's pretty heavy and no one's actually going to go ahead and say that. No one really is thinking about that. Honestly, maybe some are. I'm not. I just think you're like one of the crazier people that has ever played that sport. But don't come around and say like I'm doing that to you. I think you can take offense and push back to the notion

that I'm not the one perpetuating this narrative. If anybody here, it's you, Draymond. Yeah, he's his own worst enemy in this situation. Of course, being an angry black man has a stereotypical trope, and I can't really defend him on this because his actions on the court leads people to believe that, hey, you're an angry black man, especially what he did to Rudy Gobert. Like, you put him in a chokehold and everything, like, I don't know what to tell you.

I don't even think in this particular case, like, if you want to put the angry and black together, Pat Riley identifies as an angry human being. Like I'm not even sure that angry is a bad thing to be if it's the coal in your furnace on however it is that you become great at things. The thing he's great at, nobody else wants to be great at.

It's a combination of the things, because I don't think, like if you ask people to describe Draymond Green, angry would come back a lot of the time if anyone actually follows the sport. They'd say, yeah, that guy plays angry and it's probably the reason he's built a Hall of Fame career, but he's an angry dude. He's undersized. The anger makes him bigger. He's an angry dude. Also, he is black, but putting it together is, you know, dangerous in these times. And if you're going to say that this narrative is out there about you and to be fair I don't know how you perceive these things. I haven't lived a day in your shoes

I just know I've never called you that and I don't appreciate being told that this is a some sort of Narrative that we're building when we all have eyes like we've all followed the sport as you're probably prejudice Is he an angry black man when I'm a judge. Oh, I rule with prejudice in my everyday life I'm absolutely not prejudice. How dare you so right now? I'm not a judge. There is no prejudice coming from me Do you want to judge on that? Do you want to make a ruling on this? I do I do actually okay, you're a spotless at it out Pablo didn't want the smoke I do see if his ruling is with or without prejudice here, so we are debating We are deciding it is up to me to determine whether or not he is

an angry black man. We're throwing that on my, that's in my courtroom right now. You are the most qualified person in America as Judge Zaslow and clearly not a black person at all. Well as Judge Zaslow, I rule that Draymond Green is in fact not an angry black man. Good ruling. Yeah, good ruling. Wow. I rule with prejudice. Wait a minute.

Feels like the judge got scared there. Feels like the judge got real scared of the way that things get clipped these days. That's ruling without prejudice. I wanted him to rule with prejudice. Judge Zazlo always rules with prejudice. Okay, can I try this another way? Is Draymond Green angry? Why'd you turn before us?

Is Draymond Green black? Yeah. Judge Zaslow rules, yes. Is he indeed a man? He's gonna trap you. Judge Zaslow rules that he is a man. Is he an angry black man? No, not at all.

Judge Saslow rules that Draymond Green, upon further consideration, What? is not an angry black dog. Very good ruling. It's not. It's more ruling. Judge without prejudice.

I like the show where we find out if the judge is guilty. I like that show. We're headed there. That never happens in my courtroom. We've been there, Clarence Thomas already is. Moving on to other things, Pablo Torres attacking politics and whatnot. Now keep in mind, this is just on the court stuff.

We don't know this man off the court. He could be the happiest man on earth. That is true, but also he wasn't and this was on a court It was on the game court because I would think that would make the flames higher But the punching the teammate in the face thing Practice court. Yeah, the pump but the punching the bit all of us seeing the video of the punching the teammate in the face thing not great a Lot of a lot of certainial evidence around his angry.

No circumstantial evidence around his black or his man. Well, we can have Pablo find out. Pablo, you're next. Pablo found out what happened. You found out if he was an angry black man? Did you hear that episode? I heard that episode. Tony heard this episode. No, I'm kidding.

You didn't, Tony? We did. We solved the mystery of what did Jordan Poole say to Dreymon Green to get him punched in the face in a way that is not racially specific but merely indicative of a larger emotional temperament that's exactly what we did he said here's a backpack for thirty and remand green and a totally non racially specific way punched him in the face yeah we found that out last year or actually two years ago now fall of the

what can we do a top five list right now with Pablo Tori on top five things? Pablo has found out because he's in the middle of a media swirl right now. He's gotten close to this This this sewage story this story that we can't get enough of cotton candy everybody prying into Belichick's bedroom I will tell you I promise you I've never wanted to be there. We're all there now We're there together CBS Sunday morning is there that cheesy food that was on cbs sunday morning that was interviewing him that did televised nonsense uh... and did what pablo is doing right now feeding with eleven sources

off the bellacheck story everybody wants to talk about uh... number five fifth best pablo tori find out was it do you want to do all i first let's do some all allies i've not prepared this but they have a sort of your own with the real estate always happy to talk about yourself and they've done a lot of prize-winning work so it this uh... tony how many a pablo is doing something no one else is doing in the space he's throwing journalism at some

curiosities that no one else is exploring so how many of you have you heard because he's producing a television show. It's quite good. They're incredibly exciting. I love the titles of them. I love hearing them on the show. I'm getting to all of them, but I love them, right? Like when he tells me Dallas Cowboys fans on Murdoch on death row, I'm like, oh I'm in after some other things, but I'm in eventually. There's one day where I'm gonna be in so so none You're serious. They're in the queue as if you watch any have you seen or listened to a single Pablo to Pablo Tory finds out episode I have I've seen a few episodes which one as you remember

Yeah, I had him on one time where there was this story about something that was you know I don't want to get into the whole thing, but yeah, it was with Israel And I thought he did a really terrific job on it. Thank you It was it was an actual episode about an Israeli soccer player who got taken hostage, and it was a really good episode Thanks, as I remember that conversation it was I had you on my show. Oh, I loved it Yeah, I loved it. I thought you were talking about Israel Gutierrez. Oh, different episode. Different episode. Yeah, different. Um, we're the third ranked sports podcast on Apple right now, so just check us out if you haven't. Um, we're doing that stuff

over there for Metal Art Media. Did you climb past us? Did you just climb past us? Now, keep in mind, Did you climb past us? Did you just climb past us? Now keep in mind, Simmons and pardon my take, they get out early on Sunday. So just, Pablo feasted this weekend. Don't get carried away. The feast was not entirely cotton candy. Admittedly, there's some real reporting, for instance, OLI, there is a 28,000 year old dildo in Jordan Hudson's mom's sex museum in Provincetown. That's O.L.I. That's pretty good. That's pretty good for O.L.I. How do you identify that it's made for sex?

It could just be a stick. It was made...well, okay, hold on. Is it phallic in nature? No, he said it was... Number five... Does it have balls? There is a plaque alongside the 28,000 year old dildo that explains it is made of camel dung That can't be clean Unsanitary, but could they have used like the camel dong as like a no not

It is dong dong though in Billy's defense not camel dong. No, it is. It is dong dong though, in Billy's defense. Dong dong. Camel dong. Hello, it's Pat Riley. Ha ha ha. Scary Terry. I love a landline in Milwaukee. They're absolutely picking up a landline in Milwaukee

to take calls on Yannick. It's exclusively how you answer calls from Pat Riley. I think my favorite thing this time of year is watching videos of NFL GMs and presidents crank calling each other while the other team is on the clock. It makes no sense that they're wasting their time doing this, but they all seem like kids having fun

while they're supposed to be drafting their teams. Are you giving us the top five facts about your Pablo Torre finds out story, or are you just giving us your best Pablo Torre finds out stories? What are you doing? This is all from the Belichick episode Okay, that's a longer list by the way. Is there a sound that anyone else hearing that sound? There's no sound what sound are you talking about?

Is that your headphones is that it's something happening with your faint sound of bird song? No, no, that's not Faint sound of bird song? No, no, that's not happening. Is that the CBS Sunday Morning sound? Listen, this guy who interviewed Belichick, you tell me if this sound right here is how any human being talks, or is this just a broadcaster being extra cheesy broadcaster because he's on CBS Sunday Morning

and he's got a trap Belichick and his young girlfriend? You're probably thinking the same thing I was when I sat down with Bill Belichick, the now 73-year-old former NFL coach wasn't interested in gloating about his many achievements. Football is everything for Belichick. No one talks like that, but this is where he cornered Belichick

and there was no moving around him. The other change for Belichick is 24 year old Jordan Hudson. His creative muse. That last three words. Not creative muse, not objective journalism right there. Oh, wait, hold on, hold on. I guess number four in the acknowledgments page of Bill Belichick's book, he explicitly thanks one of the first people and it is quote

His ideas mill and creative muse Jordan Hudson That's not what I'm not saying she's not that I'm saying the way he said it had a question mark in it and cynicism His creative muse. I know that Belichick says that but he's questioning it while pretending to not question it. His creative muse. And it's slathered in Velveeta and no one talks that way. His creative muse. He's winking at the audience. No, it's not real.

His creative muse. It's that pause between the his and the creator. Creative muse. So someone saw a camel take a dump and was like, let's make a dildo. What is that? I'm telling you, it could be used for anything. It could have been a hammer. On YouTube, it's very clearly a dog.

They made a YouTube 20,000 years ago in which you were watching a sex act. I mean, some of this stuff is still common practice. Have you ever heard of the Alaskan pipeline? Let's not do that. Judge Dazlo? Pablo. Can you help me please with the dildo? Phrasing cut that please I just Factual how factual is the museum? How factual they're questioning it can't be camel dung it can't be a camel dung

Why would anyone use camel dung as a camel dung? It seems unhygienic. They're questioning it. Why do we know that from 20,000 years ago? What did Pablo Torre find out? Number three the sex museum is the first thing you enter on the way to the sex shop and in the sex museum There are a series of exhibits including one where there's a cock ring made out of a goat eyelid Which I didn't even have time for in this episode. It's rising up the charts. I didn't mean to sound defensive about that. I can whisper in your ear what an Alaskan pipeline is.

I really don't want that. I didn't want to think about it. It's a service that I'm offering. Nope, thank you. So you're offering it or just explaining it was what you're offering? I'll explain what it is. No, thank you. Number two, number two.

Well, you know what? Hold on a second. Since you're saying offering? I'll explain what it is. No, thank you. Tap me on the shoulder if you want to know. Number two, number two. Well, you know what? Hold on a second. Since you're saying it, I think this is... Well, it has a lot to do with number two. This is rather literal. No, it has a lot to do with this, too. We've got a penalty. Five minutes.

Major asshole. Sorry, Zass. Dan's right. He knows. Roy, you heard it. They all know what you were talking about with the Alaskan pipeline. Get out of here. You're not helpful.

You're immature. You and him. Him? Yes, you and him. You keep, I wanted to say fisting, but pounding fists. You keep pounding fists. That doesn't help. Pablo, number two.

Number two is that the sex museum slash shop in question has been in broiled in a documented Board of Health scandal around the illicit use and administering of injectable erectile dysfunction drugs. Okay, so the Family Sex Museum, what are we doing? Like, what are we doing? We're just doing that. That's just, that's literally just one segment of the show. Like, I'm not even, this is like a fraction of a fraction. Alright, so what did you find out number one? Number one is that the University of North Carolina Wants to call me a liar because I reported that Jordan Hudson was banned from their building and football program

Even though multiple sources explicitly told me that she is no longer welcome Allowed or able to work for the university in any football context. How'd you manage with 11 sources to still get the story so wrong, Pablo? I know. It's embarrassing. It is embarrassing. If you were to believe a school that has every incentive to lie to cover up everything else that I reported. Well, Pablo, this part... Very funny in that way. up everything else that I reported. Well, Pablo, this is very funny in that way. Okay, so I thought I was good with money. Turns out I was really good at ignoring it.

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["The Stugats Show Theme"] I've always found this a little bit scary around reporting. When you're out there and all you can trust is your sources. You have 11 of them. You are resolute as a university is going to want to protect itself. These football programs are strong. The economy around Belichick is strong. They will flog you if your information is correct.

In today's age, people can deny everything. Why is your information correct? Because North Carolina is going to keep saying your story's bullshit. Yeah, I think it's very telling actually what North Carolina did. So I have this report that comes out Friday morning that's deeply sourced, has said things that are not in question at all, which is basically surrounding this meeting from the higher ups at the university, from the chancellor's office, down to the athletics department, down to the football program in which it is said again, that Jordan Hudson cannot be in the building anymore, cannot be around the team, is not wanted around the team, will not be around the team anymore

in the way that she has been by the way. And the way that she has been just for people who are not caught up on this, she was CC'd asking to be CC'd on every email to Bill Balachek. She was bossing people around behind the scenes. She was on the field with Bill on video in a way that scared everybody who has to worry about the reputation of both Bill and the program and also recruiting. And what the statement that Carolina did release, what it said was, I'm just going to look it up here because I think it's worth quoting because all they needed to say was this nobody reporter got it wrong. Jordan is welcome at our building. Instead, for the first time, they said this quote, while Jordan Hudson is not an employee at the university or Carolina athletics, she is welcome to the

Carolina football facilities. Jordan will continue to manage all activities related to Coach Belichick's personal brand outside of his responsibilities for Carolina football and the university. So they could have said, she's welcome here, period, end of story. Instead what they do in a very obvious way to be is say, she doesn't work for us, she's not doing anything related to us, she is not employed by us in any legal way, do not blame us for how she may be behaving, that's his thing, not ours. So that is what they said. So stressful to be in the middle of this or exhilarating because you know you've got your sources and you trust your sources? Again, this is a thing, I know this is a

silly story, I know, but... But it's about power. It's about power, but in a real way. Yes, yes, because I do want to get into this part of it, Pablo, just the idea of the male football establishment, there's no way they're letting this into the building. Like they'll do with the- They'll do the pink fields. They'll do the pink fields to traffic in whatever profit there is around breast cancer awareness, but the caveman locker rooms not letting a woman this ambitious on the premises. When this happens to their beloved coach, that's the end of the relationship with her. So I think there's actually a parallel to the Draymond thing here, now that I sort of think it out with you, because on some level, I am also the person who's like,

it's insane that you would blame Olivia Munn for Aaron Rodgers performance on the field. That is like textbook misogyny, right? You should not blame the significant other of any athlete for how they perform on the field. This though is not that. This happens to be the case of an individual who is so ambitious yet clumsy in how they execute their ambition that they have made enemies in his family, in his inner circle, on his coaching staff, at the athletics department, at the university president level, at every media company she has worked with. The reason I have 11 sources, yes, I must say, I'm an awesome reporter, sure.

It's really because everybody is like, you have no idea how bad this look, I want to take credit. I do want to take credit for me unearthing everybody one by one. What happened was in February, I reported the thing, but how she wound up in the football in the Super Bowl commercial in this ad with Affleck and Damon who she was negotiating his manager because she's taking opportunity, a very great opportunity that any manager or agent would take if they too would happen to have a relationship with Belichick.

I don't know, Dan, if this is the way you're trying to make it come off, but it makes it seem like you're saying North Carolina not letting Jordan run around and do whatever she wants is because they're anti-women, because she's just this young up-and-comer who's trying to find her place in the world? Not she's the coach's girlfriend who doesn't really have any experience running a college football program

Which do you think is the reason that she's not allowed because Belichick's not she's a woman No, but Belichick puts his sons in coaching positions like Belichick can make economies out of being near Belichick He can do it with anybody. Oh boy Like Belichick can make economies out of being near Belichick. He can do it with anybody. Oh, boy. Um, listen to the episode, please. Please listen to the episode. The thing about how she's conducted herself when it comes to having that power, right, is not merely that she got the power, it's how she's been using it.

And it has been in a way that is entirely self-destructive to the person she's trying to protect. The CBS Sunday morning thing, Dan, and the bird chirping, which I assume is just you guys tormenting me. I don't know what you're talking about. Nobody, what are you hearing? I presume that's psychological torment. What are you hearing?

The reason why that's notable is because that is a puff piece that they were trying to make that she single-handedly turned into something that opened the floodgates on everybody saying this person that I'm dealing with is ruining the legacy and the reputation and the current modern-day employment that he has at this university. This guy who is known for discipline and discretion and privacy and defensive strategy, it's being undone by her. And I'm not saying, by the way, that she

doesn't have good intentions. I'm not even saying that. I'm merely saying that in Silicon Valley, for instance, to pay a compliment, there are lots of very young people who are very ambitious, who have no idea what the consequences of their decisions are. These are unintended consequences that leave us addicted to cell phones, for instance. just broadly speaking, right? A compliment to Jordan Hudson. She is a prodigy in that regard. The problem is that when you go and you break a lot of things along the way, there are these

costs, there are these consequences, and it may result in her boyfriend who she met when she was 19 years old on an airplane, it may result in him not having that job for much longer. That to me is someone who is terrible at their job, even if they mean well. And there is a difference between intent and effect. And we're in the world of results. And it's really going badly. Pablo, is there a chance that he never coaches a game at UNC? Absolutely. June 1st, man, look at that contract, right? Before all of this, June 1st, the buyout from the Belichick side of things

dropped from $10 million to 10 times less, to $1 million. And the theory was that's because he wanted it out if the NFL came sniffing around and said, Oh, I would love to have Bill Belichick. I can tell you the NFL has no desire to get into business with Bill Belichick, especially not right now. And then the question becomes, does Bill want to remain there if his bosses are actually saying, look man, you can't operate this way. You can't embarrass our school this way.

In which case he may not feel like he's in charge anymore. In which case is it really worth it if all you want to do is sit in the front row of the Miss Maine pageant watching your girlfriend at age 24 get second runner up. If that's what he wants to do, if that's what he wants out of this, I'm not here to yuck his yum. This is not a story about an age gap relationship. This is the story about power and who gets it. And everybody around Balachek got walked over by a very ambitious young prodigy named Jordan

Hudson who is driving that program into the ground. That is why I'm reporting the story. It's not because it's fun and funny and because they're 28,000 year old dildos that is merely the happy side benefit of what happens when you open up the mystery box and find what's inside. Pablo, does this story have a happy ending? Well, it's hard not to make a Bob Kraft reference here

when you ask that question. Pablo has dominated this story from the very start. It's a pathetic thing to say about him. He was the first to report that Jordan was acting as Bill's agent months ago. He may be Peabody nominated, but this is the story he will be known for. It's pathetic. He's on MSNBC morning. I wish I could fight back on that. No, it's gross. The whole thing is gross. It shames you. It's embarrassing to journalism that you traffic off the clicks of this particular story. But Pablo, it's fair to say, right, the only

reason that CBS morning even talked about this part of his story in the relationship is because Jordan was sitting right there and interrupting the entire time. Had that not happened, they probably would have maybe touched the subject very lightly, but moved right past it. And to your point, just promoted his book and made it a puff piece. I have reported what that day was like from a lot of different angles, and you're exactly right. They wanted to tell a, they were at Bill's high school,

his old high school in Annapolis, Maryland. The Navy sweatshirt was because they were there in Annapolis trying to tell the story of airt was because they were there in Annapolis trying to tell the story of a guy who wrote a book in which his football lessons, his football wisdoms could apply to non-football people in any walk of life. And he cited her in the acknowledgments. They had posted about how they met. It's just the most softball question to just let you met. It's just the most softball question to just let you say what it is that you have already said before. But Jordan Hudson as a PR person didn't know that she would be on camera, on a microphone, and then the only reason it hasn't been worse by the way is because CBS has not released the half

hour more of footage I am told in which she is giving like spy gate like hand signals to tell him not to answer other questions Like the whole thing they never got to do You know in these things you guys know this you do a walk-and-talk around the setting the reason no one knows It was his old high school in Annapolis was because they never got to the walk-and-talk They never ended they never got there and it's because Jordan Hudson Generously speaking out of a self protection or rather a protection of the two of them together this power couple intervened in ways that entirely backfired and that's why we're talking about this now It's because they did it to themselves with the help of this guy his creative muse

Like he was right there. He was waiting for he was like he was waiting for something like that to happen Why didn't they go with ideas mill? That's so much better than creative muse. Like he was right there, he was waiting for something like that to happen. Why didn't they go with Ideas Mill? That's so much better than Creative Muse. Yeah, it's way funnier to be an Ideas Mill for somebody. Well, and he couldn't, I don't think he could come at it with this kind of snark. His creative muse. His Idea Mill isn't as skeptical. His Creative Muse, he enjoyed doing that.

What ideas? He what ideas football coach uh... right by the way by the way the idea for the book i reported this in the episode two it was jordan's idea she read rey dalio's book principles she was like you should write a book in which you give your lessons to the world's and they did all but why would you say ideas no he and uh... you should be in a Belichick. You should do what Saban's doing.

He's in a Dunkin' Donuts commercial. You don't want, like, what do you mean? She's his manager. Like, you- Yeah, but also, like, you should also record a commercial of me in a polka dot bikini that we're gonna put out there. Also, like, that's where the line is kinda crossed

from, like, manager and good PR person to, this isn't exactly how that role works, right? Like, a good PR person, you don't know who they are and they don't make the story about them and they don't show up to their clients' commercials and say, you should shoot one of just me also. Yeah, it's not a great use of the power that she acquired as his girlfriend.

Didn't go great, isn't going great, and yet look man, I expect and to dance earlier point i expect to uh... live and be haunted by this reporting because it is endless keep on discovering new things including over the weekend uh... i guess this is your base this is embarrassing just on the bottom of our media funding this is an embarrassment funding this uh... this which onto are you did the same thing to uh... markus jordan

and uh... and and larsa pippen you did the same thing you traffic in the supermarket island you should be embarrassed by like your p-body nominated when i ask you the top five public or find out stories they shouldn't be smut cells and i tried to sell you guys on the death row stuff and that was met with a resounding can we talk about the dildos? So just playing the audience here. Me and Mike were talking about it.

Back then, 28,000 years ago, it was hot. No freezers, no nothing to solidify what we had going on there. So how- They just left it out? How did that work? And they just raw dogged the dung? All right, what are you doing?

We're asking the important questions and it's his job to find out. Are you gonna just stay on this beat? I think you should just keep, you know what I think you should do? Cheap and dirty. I think you should have like three straight episodes on this. Like you should just, dude, I could. I really could. You should take, you should go ahead and do this. I told you guys that on my top five list was a cock ring made of a goat

eyelid. That wasn't in the episode. a cock ring made of a goat eyelid. That wasn't in the episode. I can understand that. That's the kind of stuff we had. Well, that has a practicality and a pliability to the eyelid that I can kind of, I can comprehend. But the camel though, like it's poop, it's feces. Pablo, I am asking you to cheapen, I am asking you publicly to cheapen your brand by just spitting out a bunch of Pablo Torre

finds out morsels about this stupid ass story. Wow. Can I give you, can I, there it is. That is a sweet ring. Yeah. Wow. Wow, the eyelashes are like on it still. Can I give you one thing I didn't include the episode that I think would be the thing I would do next,

but I'm probably not going to because I care about. What don't you like, Zazzle? What don't you like? The cutting room floor thing? It is too much. No, that thing that they know that thing that they show on the screen. Oh, you don't like it I like cutting room floor the making of that thing. Um, look there is one detail I just give you one detail that I didn't include that I think should haunt everybody including music including the University of North Carolina Okay, do that before I get out of here You remember the the roast of

Tom Brady where Tom Brady made that joke about Bill Belichick and the ring cam You guys remember this at all different ring what ring cam? Oh, no, that's the sound you Like a true journalist the way that Sound we've been playing behind you him come on. This is actually Belichick, right? And he benches 310. Can I tell you the story behind this video, which I couldn't even include in the episode? Yes, please. So, the story behind this is that this was reportedly filmed, of course, at Jordan's abode. She has this whole real estate venture. She has this, you know, budding real estate empire that I didn't report but others did

um now the question I had as a reporter when I saw that video and Am haunted by that video audio as well is how did the Daily Mail get that video? Huh? How does one get internal ring cam footage from a home? How does that happen? Who had access to those videos? And let's say it wasn't Jordan Hudson, just for the sake of this hypothetical that I am just merely hypothetically going into depth on. If it wasn't Jordan Hudson, who was it? And what other videos might have been taken without Bill Belichick's knowledge at almost age 70 wandering around like a

bear in the woods on a porch looking for food how how else could they ensure that there is nothing else that could be monetized or used against the highest paid employee in the state of north carolina it's just a question that i think people well i can report now exclusively that bill balachek's family is worried about that they're looking into and i feel like the university that says I'm a liar

might wanna do the same. Wait, is he a hostage? You know, this feels like- I'm not saying anything. I'm just saying that it's a weird video. It's a weird video. Where'd it come from? What do you mean?

Don't say you're not saying anything. Who got it? Don't say you weren't saying anything. Why would they do that? Her creative muse, you were saying something. That's what you were doing. I want to know this is the Jordan and Belichick is Larsa and Marcus for white people and I want to know when you're gonna spread it around a little bit And go after your own people

Like Manny Pacquiao's mom well, he's fighting now at 48 or 49. He's coming back He's fighting literal literal senator with deeply homophobic religious convictions. So Not ideal for your boy these days. I'm not right. Don't ruin it. I Mean, it's true. I Can't hero. I can't believe that this is shooting up the charts big breaking news follow-up story on the UNC Jordan front Michael Jordan will appear on Peacock's NBA on NBC coverage as a special contributor. He is finally doing the media thing. Peacock, NBC, that basketball deal everybody wants broadcasters. I wonder how

that much how much that cost and I like it a special correspondent. He'll wander off his couch and do a zoom three times a week. Give him $700 million. Three times a week? Three times, I'm sorry, three times a year. My bad, thank you. Three times a year, he'll wander off the couch and do a Zoom from the last dance chair with a drink in his hand.

Pablo, thank you. Excellent reporting. Way to waste time and money chasing these people down with 11 sources. It's not real journalism. It's asinine Like and subscribe. Yes. It's very popular that podcast. No, yes So Zazz is scared of this thing here. He says he doesn't like it. It's not a thing to be liked. Have you tried it? I Would never try that. No, I'm saying the general concept. You think a judge would be caught trying something like that?

No, I mean like the ring. Did you guys account for the fact I read this this weekend? Now we get shy. So funny that it's also totally not surprising that chat GPT is basically responsible for college kids aren't studying at all anymore. Like they are just using AI to get through college and we are becoming fast, fast, dumber. You gotta be careful with that, it's wrong all the time.

They try to tell me Josh McDaniel's got fired twice in one season. That's how wrong it's been. Yikes. Yeah, I'm telling you. Try and make me believe that Dennis Springer was black. You owe a $50 fine for that one. What?

I figured that one out on the air. No, no, no, I saved us from being misinformed. How do you see a goat's eyelid and say, I know what I want to do with that.