The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 2: Trae Young Loved Highly Questionable (feat. Mina Kimes)

Episode Date: September 18, 2025

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he reported that China is stealing Yongell. Sinner's brainwaves. He reported that, and no one noticed because of the clipper stuff. To possibly train the soldiers of tomorrow. Think about that for a second. Which is great news of China ever declares war on Al-Qadath. The stealing of brainwaves is not journalism that other people are doing. China stealing the number one tennis player in the world's brainwaves.

Spain is well-positioned here. I must say. And no one's noticing because it's just like cheating over here, Kauai. The details on the Kauai thing. The idea that you wouldn't get him to plant a tree, that you wouldn't get him to do anything at all. One Instagram post. You're good. Yeah, right.

That photo would live forever. Can you imagine him standing next to a freshly planted tree? With a shovel in his hand. I'd buy that poster. That Steve Balmer would pay and have all the money in the world and still not be able to get this person. play. They should have just kept Shea Gildjus Alexander. None of this would have happened. They might be champions. Zaslow and Joe. Oh, oh, oh, oh.

And we have breaking football news. As we talked about earlier when Chris Whittingham was joining us, there was a lot of positive momentum for Leo Messi to extend. With inner Miami, Michelle Kaufman is now officially reporting for the Miami Herald that Leo Messi has agreed to a multi-year deal that she says in the article, will be his final contract. Look at that. So Miami will get the punctuation on that right. I wonder what the money.

I'd love to know what the dollars are with something like that because you can't pay too much for it, right? Like it's something that you want as a part of your product to build a stadium near the airport so that you can have soccer down here in South Florida as opposed to in Broward, and you've got the best player in the world. And the best player ever?

Like we can, it's either him or Pele, right? Those are your choices. I mean, I never saw Pele, really. So the best player I've ever seen is Leo Messi. And, you know, he's done the things that people asked him to do to get to that level. That stadium's going to be pretty awesome, right? It's going to be pretty awesome. Terms are presently undisclosed.

However, I believe, through my own sourcing Dan, that we have given him Opelaka. Is that all? Yeah, he has Opel. Apalaka and parts of West Kendall were still negotiating with Baptist. That's not bad. I would assume that he would take all of Key West and just keep asking for stuff. Atopata? Presently in the hands of others.

Oh, okay. But middle keys, had Saudi come to the table correct, maybe Isla Marada, lower Matacumbi, perhaps upper Matacombie. With the arrogance only Zaz could display, he just blew a bunch of love. lunch breath in my face. Man. He loves lunch. And just said, big surprise.

Darren Waller ruled out tonight. Yeah, I don't know if you're aware. You know, just he's, they're not going to have his services this evening. It's a big game in Buffalo, but he's not available. That is true.

We're going to get to pitch clock. That's going to be before the end of the show. And Mina Kimes is going to join us as well. But we've got a Patrick Beverly and Tray Young beef to get to do you want to give any context here before we play some of the sound here why do patrick beverly and trey young have beef it's why i don't know but it's so good because i love it because that sport the NBA the players they all love to hug and kiss before every game i don't like that garbage i like them players hate each other all right take me back to the 80s and 90s

where if you play it for another team screw you man and so we got a little bit of this here i like it so pat beverly you know he's got a podcast everyone's got a podcast dan If you don't have a podcast, you're a huge loser. And Pat Beverly, he's got a podcast, and he's essentially, he's talking about Tray Young here because he's talking about how he was asked a question by fans. They're reading like mail, you know? And it's why don't players play hard in the All-Star game? Let's hear.

I don't know. I don't think he's in a position to speak. I don't think he's won enough to even speak to me like that or tweet me like that. He's been to the playoffs three times. I've been to the playoffs nine. Nine is more than three. He's been in the NBA seven years. My first seven years, I didn't miss the playoffs at all.

Interesting. In the Western Conference. Interesting. Right. His rebuttal is probably going to be, yeah, you want the main player in the team. Absolutely right. Well, this is why it's the team. I talk to people who play in Atlanta.

They don't want to play there. Why? They don't think he's a good leader. They don't think he's a good teammate. This is not coming from me. This is coming from Joe Blow over here. Trey, you can score all the points you want. You can make all the money you want.

You can have all the leading assists you want. You can do all that. If you don't win, that's it won't matter. If you don't win when you retire, they're going to forget your name fast, too. I don't even think he has the wiggle room to talk about, or you're not playing hard for an All-Star game. You're not like you're playing in the playoffs. So what do you think his point is?

I don't know. He's just trying to put himself above you? I think so. Put it on the poll, please, Juju at Lebitard show. Bigger Loser, a person who doesn't have a podcast or person who walks into the rain with their own umbrella. Let's hear Tray Young's response to that. But wait, we got some more facts for you.

And this has nothing to do with any of the guys' legacies and players that I'm about to name. Because to be honest, I didn't really want to mention anybody's name in this because this is between me and you. You play with some big-time players, my guy. You talk about winning and impacts winning and all these things. You've been on some teams with some big-time players. How about I go through a list of these guys?

LeBron, Janice. Kauai Leonard, Paul George, Ant Man Cat. We're not even going to talk about how we celebrate playing wins. I win playing games on the road, and I'm ready to get to the playoffs. You win playing games at home, and you're standing on the scores table, acting like it's a championship, we celebrate wins different too. It's a good response by Trey Young. It is, and it should be noted.

They've gone equally both as far in the playoffs as one another. However, Trey Young has been the man on his conference runner. up team, where Pat Beverly, as Trey Young outlined, has played with a lot of great players. That being said, Pat Beverly does have the tenure in the NBA to be able to opine about what people think about Trey Young, and he's espousing things that people have said about Trey Young for a long time. Can we just acknowledge, though, that when Pat Beverly says, I've been to playoffs this many times, you've been to playoffs this many times, that there's a little bit of a difference

between Trey Young being the main dude on a team, and Pat Beverly being like the seventh or eight guy on a different team every year because for whatever reason, however high Pat Beverly thinks of himself, no one wants to sign him to a multi-year deal. Patrick Beverly thinks very highly of himself. There are very few players in the history of the league who have made themselves more famous while actually doing less in the way of production. Patrick Beverly has a name as an irritant, at least in part, because he irritates everybody. He should think highly of himself too. He wasn't born with a gift that Tray Young was born with. He wasn't that type of prospect. He was on the roster when the big three was formed and the Miami Heat said,

you're not good enough to be on this team. And he took that and he made something of himself and he listed all the times that he's been in the playoffs. He's been in the playoffs because he's been in the league longer and he had no right to be. He had to fight for his spot. So I think he's certainly entitled to his opinion. I would concede as someone that echoed that very same point. Trey Young has been the man there. But Pat Beverly, Like, this is a shot-for-shot duel, and they each made good points. I like it. I like when the players hate each other.

That's what the world needs. More hate these days. I think we can all agree on that. There's not. In sports, possibly. Quite enough hate. Trey Young's hair looked better there than it's ever looked. Also, that video heavily edited.

Took a lot of takes on Trey Young. It seemed like that was not one take. Nah, it's not a lot of that. They want pacing, right? So it's just edited poorly. No, it's edited the way that people, you're not. a young person. You don't understand. Young people on the internet, it's just choppy. We want this to be chop. You want it to be as quick as possible. There are no spaces in between where you're

hemming and hawing. It's chop, chop, chop, chop, chop, we're getting to it. This is like the early days of highly questionable. You guys did the same thing. Oh yeah. That lasted less than a week. They took the feedback and Eric Rideholm, the producer, changed that. We were doing like a max headroom thing that was heavily heavily. He was way ahead of the curve. Yeah, out of the curve on that. That's how young people wanted it, but it was too early. They didn't want it that way. We were super edited for two days, super edited, and then they immediately bailed on the entire concept. Do you think when Trey Young recorded that yesterday, that he said to, like, the guys, like, I wanted to look like highly questionable's first week?

His hair does look great there. We're in agreement, right? His hair looks terrible when he's playing, but here his hair looks impeccable. It was weird to me to see that hair walk into Madison Square Garden and slay Madison Square Garden and enjoy the slaying of Madison Square Garden. Trey Young might be the worst defensive player in the league if it's not Tyler Hero. What happened? I heard your feelings. What was that sound?

What was that sound? Come on, man. What? They're bad defensive players. You guys are going to dispute that? No. Who's disputing that? No one.

I'll ask him mean who the worst defensive player in the league is. I think Tyler Hero's better defending than Luca. Okay. Isn't that who Tyler Hero compared himself to? He's like, I view myself on the lines of Luca and Trey Young. And John Morant. And now, with altitude on it, clearly he meant just bad defending. Mina Kimes is going to join us in a moment.

And as I mentioned, pitch clock is going to be here at the end of the show. I know none of you care, but Blake Snell continues to be unhittable. I believe he's in his last 13 innings. It's no runs in 23 strikeouts last night. The Dodgers are talking about Shohei Otani coming out of the bullpen. Man, Dave Roberts definitely did not pull him from that game early. That was funny yesterday where Dave Roberts goes to the match. in the seventh inning, and Blake Snell's up, I think, three-nothing at the time, and he's got

two runners off, and Blake Snell's like, get out of here. Just get out of here. I don't want you here. And then Dave Roberts scampered back to the dugout. It's fun when managers actually listened to the pitcher on that. I remember a few years ago, Sandy Alcantra in his Sigh-Young season, Maddingly walks out, and he just starts shaking his head no. And this is in Bush Stadium, and he goes, all right, walks right back to the dugout after talking to him. It was incredible. I have a response from Amin about the worst defensive player in the NBA. That was quick. I said, who's the worst offensive player in the NBA?

His response? Probably Joe Ingalls. Oh, that's good. You know what? He's got me to be, but he doesn't play. He doesn't play anymore. Like, okay, ask him for the second worst, then. Your dad calls him Joe Inglis.

Yeah, that's the way it should be pronounced. In Spanish or in English. Joe Inglis is exactly what it should be. When you guys think about what's happening with Tom Brady, I know Mike's got a lot of objections to things I've said around here recently, and I want to ask Mina about this when she gets here. The Tom Brady in the press box or in the coach's box with a headset, to me that wasn't as offensive as him with a headset and a suit. That did not look right to me. Well, it's wrong.

It's fundamentally wrong to have the guy who's doing the coordinator work in a headset be wearing a tie, be wearing. wearing a suit. There was something awful. They had to wear a collared shirt with the team emblem on the... It can't be a suit. He just looked awkward, like pulling. He was like, I went in both ears covered. He knew it, too.

He was looking around. Like, I don't fit. It would have been... He's like, how are you guys sitting? As odd if he had been in a tux, in a full tuxedo. It would have struck me as... Like, stepbrothers, like when they were getting interviewed? I think my frustration on the Tom Brady conversation is we should have been having this

weeks ago when it was announced that he would now be allowed. in these meetings, in these production meetings with players and coaches. And that is a huge red flag because he'd be meeting, presumably, with teams that are on the Raiders' schedule. And he'd be asking about schematics, about insights on the team and team dynamics that would undoubtedly be helpful to the Raiders. And you can have plausible deniability and say, well, he's not as involved with the Raiders. What? Have you been paying attention to the entire summer?

Like, Pete Carroll's calling him his boss. He very much, even though he only owns 5%, wants to be perceived as a very involved minority owner in the Las Vegas Raiders. And as evidence, he was in the box, and I find it hilarious that the most obvious thing in the world happened. And it just took him being shown on camera for the whole thing to be undone. Immediately, the league says he's not allowed in those. production meetings anymore. Duh! This was there. What? There's a reason why you did this last year. And everybody, including your partner, was complaining he's not good on the broadcast, which, by the way, maybe that ship has sailed because that was like the one hope. Well, he's not in

these production meetings. Certainly he'll be improved. Second year doing it. And then they announced this whole plan that was dumb from the jump and completely undone with a finger snap. Did people need to see it To know that this was a problem? I guess so I got a response for Ramin I wrote second worst And he wrote

There's a lot of shitty defenders That I don't know it lines up nice and neat As a clear number two So he gave me three names With question marks As his nominees for the second worst Trey Young question mark George Nyang

Question mark Michael Porter Jr., question mark See there's already four guys Not Tyler Hero! Take it back. You know what? Sound like Tyler Hero might be a good defender. George Nien. I knew that would be the name. It's funny. How many Big 12 basketball games we have action on George Nying there, pal. I can't dispute George Nying. You got me there. We started earlier in the show. We didn't know what P's and Q's were. Do any of you know when Mike says huge red flag? Do you know why there's a huge red flag? Like, what is a red flag? I know what the expression means, but I don't know the starting point of.

why it is there would be a red flag. Can I venture a guess as a child of Windows 97? I assumed, because of the game Minesweeper on Windows 97, that they would plant red flags wherever there was a mine. So that's what I've told myself is the origin of it. Jeremy, can you look this up? That's pretty good. That's a pretty good guess.

I mean, there's plenty. I'm sure it's a signal for distress. People use flags all the time. I know the hurricane warning flag is in red in part, so red usually means. warning. Those are two good nominees. I for some reason thought it was pirity. I thought that the red flag had something to do with pirate ships and warning on pirate ships. There are several different reasons like now. They'll sometimes put one at an outdoor shooting range, but seemingly originally, this is because a red flag is frequently flown by armed forces to warn the

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Yeah. Stugats. You think you're big time? But you're going to die. Big time! That is my infamous scale of one to ten. That's a, that's a 7.6. Solid.

Good job, Dad. That's a sui nominee right there. This is the Dan Lebatar show with the Stugats. mismatch in the entire league is Bill's offense against Dolphins defense. I defy you to find a mismatch. Give me a mismatch that you would say in the hypothetical, not even one that's actually happening, but just a mismatch I can put on the field that would feel anything like that. Maybe when the Ravens' offense goes up against the Bengals defense, but early on, Dolphins defense looks worse. The thing about the Dolphins defense that's so dispiriting is

we knew that the secondary was going to be bad, right? The pass rush was supposed to be good. They got everybody healthy. They got Chup Robinson. They got Jalen Phillips. They got Bradley Chubb. And they're not getting pressure and they're not able to compensate

for what's going on in the back end. It could be very ugly tonight. What do you make of the fact that I don't have the numbers right in front of me, but I think over the last, I don't know, I'm going to say two years that Patrick Mahomes has three, 320-yard games,

and so does Jake Browning. I think that wide receivers matter, it would be my take. Jake Browning, because I've been revisiting this obviously since we're going to be watching him for a while, was actually pretty decent in the second half of 2023 when he played. This was an L for me because, you know, I'm a Washington Huskies fan. I did not think he would be good in the NFL at all. And he really impressed me that year. I'm not saying he's like above average NFL starting quarterback by any means,

but I thought the offense was pretty good. Jamar Chase was excellent in those games. And, you know, Patrick Mahomes has been, I mean, that offense is failing for a number of reasons, but right now he's playing with probably the worst receiver group in football. And it turns out the quarterback, while the most important player, maybe in any sport, can only do so much. Joe Burrow plays a bit of a reckless style. He has been hit a lot more than Andrew Luck was hit during the time frame that made Andrew luck retire.

What do you make of Joe Burrow perpetually getting injured because of the way that he plays? It's sometimes hard to know how to assign blame when we talk about quarterback injuries. But I think your point about Burrow versus Luck is notable because I think with luck, it was so obviously a route of circumstances. And I think with Burrow, it's a little bit more of a mixed picture. Obviously, the offensive line hasn't been good. and he compensates for it in a lot of ways. And when he throws the ball very quickly, this offense is great.

But I would say earlier in his career in particular, he took way too many sacks. And some of them were on him. So when we look at the number of hits he's taken over the years, he is not entirely blameless through some of that. But, you know, he's not the biggest factor by any means. It's still the offensive line. Mina, what have you made of the discourse surrounding Mike McDaniel lately? I think it's weird.

And I think there's like a personal tone to some of it that is a little bit I don't love, if I'm being honest. And I say that as someone who thinks, you know, McDaniel is not above blame. I think the run game stalling out the way it has, the way it did last year in particular, he deserves a lot of criticism for that. However, this is an offense that is limited because of personnel decisions and a defense that is just bad, mostly all. also because of personnel decisions in my, and I'm not, this is, I don't know, people are going to say, well, you know, the nerds defending the nerds. This is not me saying that Mike McDaniel deserves to keep his job or that he's done a great job. But to my eye, Chris Greer, the GM of the Dolphins, is so clearly the biggest problem in Miami. I don't know what the discourse is

like around him, but I feel like he should be at the top of people's tongues more than the coach who is, I think, trying to coach around the limitations of the players that they have. What in the league is the second team you would point to where you would say it is super strange that Chris Greer still has a job, given that he's the longest tenured GM to not have a playoff victory? Like what, how distant is second place there in terms of confusing that the pressure isn't on the general manager there when a lot of people say it's the architecture? sure. It's not that distant. I would say Mickey Loomis with the New Orleans Saints is right there with him as a guy who I think deserves a lot of criticism for how that team is. The approach that he took has taken a team building now for several years and the state of the Saints roster, he should, I mean, it's kind of crazy to me that he kind of flies under the radar for all of the bad decisions, bad drafts. He had like a couple of really banger drafts, like, 10 years ago, more than 10 years ago, I think.

And, no, not more than 10 years ago, actually it was less than that. But anyways, he has made some really brutal decisions in New Orleans. Those are the two names that come to mind when I look at those teams. And I think, wow, these GMs have their fingerprints all over these teams and have made some really debilitating errors. When you think of it being personal with the Mike McDaniel criticism, because I do feel like some of this is cavemen who are threatened by computers. but let's look here or hear some sound from McDaniel. He doesn't help himself here. To win games, you have to win the game, not lose the game.

I mean, you could take that quote from like any coach. I don't, I've never felt like his press conferences have never really like. So annoying. Yeah, I've never, even when they were winning. It's funny though, like winning and covers everything up. I've never felt like. Oh, I loved it when we were winning. It was charming.

I think football culture does not like perceived outsiders. And when you don't look or sound like a traditional football person, the second that you fail, there are people who will turn on you quicker than they would if he was just ex, you know, and a former player who looks and sounds like a traditional head coach. But the other thing I would say is, you know, it's not like he's an analytics guy.

He is a former college player. And I think of an architect of a pretty interesting offense that's definitely run stale, but a lot of it has to do with the players as well. In any case, I actually think like the way he looks and sounds is inflicting a lot of this. Let's go ahead and speed Mina up so we can get to as much football as possible because we want a lot of football from her. What is more accurate? C.J. Stroud has regressed or C.J. Stroud suffers from pressure up the middle. C.J. Stroud suffers from pressure.

That's not to say, though, he's blameless. for some of that pressure. Look at how good she's gotten it fast. You guys have noticed? The tush push, bad for football. Yes or no? Yes, even though I'm not saying that it should be banned, but it's not entertaining.

How good is Baker Mayfield? Good, good, not elite, but good. Name the quarterbacks in the league. You trust more than Baker Mayfield on a drive late in the game. Sure, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, Justin Herbert, Jaden Daniels,

Joe Burrow, if he's healthy. Those are the mates, Matthew Stafford. Oh, Jalen Hertz. What do you do? Oh, Jalen Hertz late as well. You've got Jalen Hertz driving right down the field late. No front runner in him, like Lamar Jackson, where they can get far ahead,

but I don't think of Lamar Jackson as he's going to do what Aaron Rogers or Russell Wilson or what those guys, you know, I don't think of him as Patrick Mahomes. Hate and ass hater comments right now for Meena Kimes. Hating ass hater. Is that what I said? I mean, Jalen hurts. When?

When? Dare I say how? He's had the two best games of his career in the most high-profile games possible in the Super Bowl. What are you talking about? And he didn't have to come back in the final minute like Baker-Fu' Mayfield had, too. Baker-Mayfield is the best at this.

Baker-Mayfield's incredible. He becomes Steve Young in the final minutes. He also threw the ball on a two-point conversion, which, like, nobody acknowledged was like an insane thing to do by whatever. Worst offensive line in football. Oh, this is a tough competition right now. I'm going to go with Houston. Is that just a bad organization?

Because it feels like C.J. Shroud has been in the league now for a couple of seasons. And he's been more overwhelming than he's been awesome. He came out incredible. And the line was an issue last year. Remains an issue. And I'm starting to look at the top of this organization. I feel like they're either wasting this young man or we were wrong about the young man. They traded their best offensive linemen.

I know he had a bunch of penalties, but whatever. And then they signed two free agents from like two of the worst offensive lines by the end of the season, like two of the worst guard free agents available. And then they started them. And we were supposed to think, okay, it'll just get better because they changed the offensive coordinator. Get out of here.

I hate watching them. It's so unpleasant. It's a very unpleasant team to watch. The defense is so good. It's such a waste. It drives me crazy. Don Lebertard. Did you get lost on the way to Home Depot today, Dan?

Like, what, what's going on with the plaids? Get his ass, Mina. Stugats. You look like you're about to ask me to, like, check the oil on my car. Get them. Or, like, come over and, like, look around and point things in my house that need to be fixed. This is the Dan Lebatar show with the Stugats. Atlanta Falcons, what are they?

Frisky, we'll compete for the NFC South, but I don't view them as a true contender in the NFC. Mina, what's been the biggest overreaction through the first couple weeks? I would say that the chiefs are dead in the water. I don't think that's true at all. The offense is going to improve Xavier Worthy is coming back. I wasn't impressed by what Xavier Worthy did last year as their deep threat, even though he's faster than everyone else on the field. He's going to come back and what's going to change?

But the second half last season, they were like kind of, they figured out how to use him against man coverage and they stopped using him as a deep threat. It was more like quick outs and motion. that's going to help. The really big factor is Rishi Rice turning in week seven, because he is the true number one wide receiver. Impressions of Ben Johnson through two games. I mean, he's got to figure out that run game, man. I mean, it's awful. It's a bottom three run game right now. Another, by the way, personnel decision that didn't make any sense to me, sticking with DeAndre Swift. What is Caleb Williams?

Work in progress. He is, let me ask, revise that. Far from the biggest reason why the Chicago Bears are getting their bus kicked right now. Is Aaron Rogers closer to what he was in week one or what he was in week two? Week one when he plays bad defenses, week two when he plays good defenses. What is Michael Pennix? A quarterback who I'd like to see push the ball downfield more because he's got great arm talent

and thus far they've really been hampering that deep passing game. Did you just call the Jets a bad defense? Yeah, they're awful. What happened? It's been a multi-year thing, talent erosion, but like right now it's like busted coverages all over. This is the thing with Aaron Glenn

that's confusing me so much. The defense should be so much better than they are. Will Tyreek Hill play for the Dolphins tonight and the Chiefs on Sunday? I don't think so. Who's a better coach in football? All ranks of football. Pete Carroll or Jim Harbaugh? Right now, it might be Jim Harbaugh, but I don't know if that's true over the course of their entire careers. What has Jim Harbaugh done that makes that Chargers secondary and defense so stifling? Hired Jesse Minter.

That's it? Yeah, dude. He's not coach of the defense. But I'm just saying that's it. That's all he, that's the Chargers defense is the reason they are winning. Like that's, they are. Well, week one, the offense was awesome. People love Jim, I mean, it's funny because, right, like we talked about Mike McDaniel and like the vibes.

People love Jim Harbaugh so much because he's such like a football guy. And I feel like everybody wants to give him credit for every part of that team. I mean, you know, Jesse Mentor is a defense of credit. And he was his coach in Michigan, so he deserves credit for hiring him. What are the Vikings? Team that's going to miss the playoffs. Do you believe in J.J. McCarthy? Not yet.

Yeah, I don't either. Show me more. Do you believe that O'Connell has a skill? Like, if you had to give me three coaches who have a skill of making quarterbacks, who are those three coaches? Shoot. I would say making quarterbacks. Carl Shanahan, Sean McVeigh.

Shane Steichen, apparently. Apparently, Shane Steigin, yeah, that's been a crazy story. But O'Connell, you got to see it now. When should we see Jackson Dart? Probably week 10. Who wins? Steelers or Patriots? I win Steelers in this one, but that's not because I'm high on the Steelers.

What has surprised you most the first two weeks of the season? Fricking Daniel Jones. There's no other answer. It's Daniel Jones. And I've taken the L on this already. It's not that I think Daniel Jones is going to continue to play the level that he has. I think that some of this is going to come down to Earth, the plan under pressure, the pushing the ball down field. That's just not who he's been over the course of his career.

But the accuracy underneath has enabled this offense to go, and they've got a bunch of incredible weapons. I mean, Tyler Warren has been absolutely a beast for them. And Shane Steichen's pretty damn good at his job. The second best running back in the league is blank. Jean Robinson. What is Drake May? Promising, played really well this week.

It's going to be up and down. Ashton Genty looks small. Would you agree? I don't think his size is why he's not having like overwhelming success thus far. Also, Bucky Irving's small and he's shredding it in Tampa. But Bucky Irving is good in past protection, it would appear. I mean, Genties getting rolled. It feels like more size would help them,

but it definitely looks a lot different in the pros and it didn't Boise, no? Yeah, well, that's what happens when you join a team with a bad offensive line. I'm never getting drunk on running backs again in the draft. Watching the Chargers and the Raiders, I was just like, I knew this was not going to be an up-and-down thing. I knew offensive line mattered, and, yeah, mad at myself.

Should the league move the field goal post closer together, Mina? No? Kickers are too good. Are they? I love longfield goals. Is that crazy? Am I, is it wrong for me to be inter... Like, when Brandon Aubrey lined up, were you guys not entertained as football? Forget the strategy as football fans. I was.

Yeah. Where would I have to put the ball down for you to say Aubrey can't make it from there? Great question. I would say anything over 70 is when I start to get a little bit nervous. But anything in the 60s, I think that dude's banging it in. little bit nervous. A little bit. Is he already the best kicker ever? It's going to have to be

longevity to hit that award, but like hitting from distance the way he has, I mean, he's going to be in the conversation. What is Cam Ward? Exciting, putting some really fun throws on tape every week, playing behind terrible pass protection that's got to improve for me to take this team seriously, but I've enjoyed watching his tape every week.

You didn't have Jordan Love late in game. when we asked you the Baker Mayfield question. That's true. I didn't think about him. I think that the offense is so good that I would bet on them. But individually, I think, loves a little bit inconsistent. The Packers, I like him, though, a lot. The Packers are the blank best team in the league.

Best. Whoa. Nice. What just happened there? They're so good. Are they going to feel this injury, though? Because they've navigated Watts and their sneaky. deep and wide receiver, but Jaden Reed has been their best wide receiver over the last few seasons,

certainly most consistent and most available. He's out for some time. Yeah, but they're so close that hitting it with Matthew Golden, like they're just, him and Jordan Love are like just a little bit far apart. Yeah, he's got like crazy separation stats, right? And it's just like, the timing's not right with, but that'll get there. And then they've got so many other weapons. Tucker Kraft is like now making a case for himself to be one of the best tight ends in the league. The run game is good. They haven't even been healthy on the offensive line. And the defense is just, I mean, that's the best defense in football, I think. You can only have one, one and one only.

Micah Parsons or Miles Garrett? Miles Garrett by like the hair, the thinnest of hairs. He has quietly been unbelievable this season, but it's the Browns, so no one cares. Neighbors is the blank best receiver in the league. Oh, gosh. I don't know. I'd have to, he's not in the top eight, so maybe top 10 to 12. Huh?

Whoa. I'd have to really I don't know I mean I mean maybe he's top no he's definitely top 10 he's top 10 well what I saw against Dallas like they seem to be real like what Diggs did trying

he was covered he was covered on both of those touchdowns Diggs is reaching in there and he punches the football but it doesn't move like I'm legitimately confused okay sorry let's let's do this okay so Chase Jefferson

Neighbors A.J. Brown Ammon Ross St. Brown, hook and Nakua. Those are five receivers who are better than Malik neighbors that I just named. Give me a combination that is better, that has better chemistry, okay? You're not allowed to choose Kelsey and Mahomes in their history than St. Brown and Gough. Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase.

Yeah, it's a good choice. Who's the best LSU receiver ever then? I don't. It's still such a work in progress. That's still, yeah. Who's better, Jamar Chase or Justin Jefferson? Let's pin you down here. Used to be Jefferson by, I'm still going to stick with Jefferson, but it's very close.

And they bring different things to the table. I think Chase is more QB proof, though. Have you added an eye towards the NFL draft? You have, it seems like a down year for quarterbacks in college football. Is there any quarterback that may stake its claim to number one overall? I mean, I like that kid, Meteer, I'm saying his name right. But yeah, I think this is one where it's a good reminder to that whole, like, oh, next year's going to be the best draft ever.

I've got to pump the brakes on that every year. But I think some of these guys are going to look better at the end of the season than you do now. Will the Miami Dolphins have a top three pick? No. Grab one of the books on the shelf behind you and give us a one-minute book report. Okay. Let's go with... It's appropriate right now.

Billy Lynn's long half-time walk. One of my favorite books ever about not just the NFL, but like the NFL and like the NFL and the NFL matilitary industrial complex and all of the patriotism surrounding football. It's about a soldier returning from Warriors to a Dallas Cowboys game. It's an excellent book.

Is she actually read it? Yeah. I'm telling movies. I actually have read every single book behind me. Will Darren play tonight? Martyr, my friend wrote this. No private lines. What are you doing?

Darren Waller's out tonight. Zaslo's an asshole. He's got lunch breath. And I want to do a book report with you every week. Okay? Let's do that. I love that. Zaslo clearly ran out of questions.

Mina. Good question. I don't know if he's playing. You beat us that time. You beat us because you're getting very good at this game. Thank you for being on with us. Bye, guys. Everybody go read martyr.

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