The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 2: We're All Gonna Die Some More

Episode Date: October 25, 2023

The crew in Los Angeles gets into Amin's spirituality. Dan finally figures out that Lucy is spending a ton of Meadowlark Media money. Plus, Adam McKay brings us another Climate Stat of the Day. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to Giraffe King's Network. This is the Dunluba Tarshou with the Stugat Spatcast. Charlotte, it would be nice if while we're working here together with a mean and Mike Ryan, we could get your attention, get your face out of the Einstein book that is titled, that is titled, what? The world, is I see it? The world is I see it. You have a theory in the Einstein book.

I was expecting something more substantive, less pamphlety. I was expecting something that had theorems in it. You know, Dan, was it George Bernard Shaw who said, if I had more time, I would have written you a shorter letter? Oh, Charlotte uses school word. Get her. I was not expecting a George Bernard Shaw quote to make an appearance. I know. I'm the worst right now. I am truly the worst. I'm wearing glasses, paging through an old on-sign book, quoting George Bernard Shaw. I also can't find the quote, but basically he was like, the future is as determined as the present and the past. And for some reason, I found that very comforting

because I think I get the idea of, it's like I'm just looking for the choice I was always gonna make or I'm looking for the right choice. It's not that I can't make choices. It's just that whatever happens is like, well, that was always gonna happen, so I can't blame myself for this. You're saying everything happens for a reason. You're saying he is saying that the future, there's no free will is what he's arguing. He's arguing. And a study just came out that some guy did

that some call it, I think Stanford. And he was like, there was no free will. I studied people for 40 years. That that does sound like how Joe Rogan introduced studies on his podcast. No, no, I think I don't know. Maybe it's just the way that I think about. I don't think there's no free will. I don't think we don't make choices. I just think the idea of there being a path leading out before you somewhere is sort of comforting to me and you're just trying to find it. I see this is my theory. My I've always well, I haven't always believed this, but the last maybe 15, 20 years of my life have been centered around this. The universe talks to us all,

but it's just suggestions. You can do it, you can not do it. But when you follow, when you're tuned in to what the universe is saying, you tend to make the right decisions. And when you don't bad things happen, and the example I always give is about wanting to go to a party and all these obstacles happening on the way to the party.

And then finally say, oh, the line's long. It's a $40 cover. We don't want to help with it. Let's just go to this bar over here. And the bar over there isn't great. And it's all right, and we go home and the next day you wake up, the house, the party. Oh, it got shot up.

Like, oh man, like I could afford it. I just said, no, I waited all week long. I'll pay the 40. I'll wait in the line. I'm going to get in there. I had the free will to do all that. I probably would have gotten shot. But I decided to subconsciously at the time because I wasn't in tune to listen to what the universe said. I'm like, Hey, you really don't want to do this. And so I'm like, okay, I want to do something. I'll do something. Stop being sub-ren.

And I think to tie it to the last segment, I think generally what's permeated through the country over the last few years, and maybe since a lot of time, if you're looking at it through a certain gender prism, is people just don't like to admit that they're wrong. And they don't. They don't. They don't?

People hated meeting at that wrong. That's not true. I mean, I felt the two like, why am I fighting years ago? Because it still gets thrown at my face. Like, why am I still fighting the Goran Drogage thing when I was like Tyler Johnson's a better fit because he's a three point shooter and he's a spot shooter. And I think in sports too, like because you have so much, you have so many receipts in the sports content game of you being wrong. That it doesn't, it doesn't account for anything when you come around and say, I've admitted that much you have so many receipts in the sports content game of you being wrong.

That it doesn't it doesn't account for anything when you come around and say, I've admitted that I was wrong. Except for me, I don't have any. Yeah. I mean, I'm famous. I'm famous. But I think it's a human condition to learn and grow. Look, I've voted on people and things that I've changed my position on.

I think, I think that's kind of refreshing. You know, I believe it was 2004 when they called John Kerry a flip flopper. And that's when it became, you pick something, you better die with it, no matter how misguided you were when you picked it, you're like, but this was my position. And if I switch positions, I'm a flip flopper.

I think that's real danger with how content is put out now with the rise of YouTube and the free thinking movement and all this is like there really aren't any bumpers for you now and we saw how they- Of the free thinking movement. Yeah, well that's how that's what they like to call it. Oh, sorry. But what it really just is is it's just I don't want to admit that I'm wrong. And I think in previous generations,

they had to ultimately conform for certain truths that were accepted universally, certain shame that had governance over stuff and Trump found the hack into, like, well, I'll just be shameless. And now politicians double down and they realize that if they have a complete disregard for shame, then there really is no punitive measure out of the law. They can have a complete disregard for rules if they have a complete disregard for shame.

But given what Charlotte is talking about there when she fumbles through the Einstein book and says that free will is not a thing. That's as close what a mean just described there because she's looking through science, but what a mean just described there about listening to the cosmos on signs and which paths you're gonna take, and then accepting the consequences of those paths

is a scientific approach to spirituality. Like that's legitimate spirit. I think that's actually closer, though, to what I mean, to be honest. Like that there is a path and if you hear it and you find your way, I see what you mean though about like, but it's possible to make the wrong choice. Because if it's not, then why are we here? Right? If it's all predetermined, I hate, well, like, oh, it's in the stars, it's faded.

Nothing is faded. You have complete control. I'm, you're never gonna take my agency out of what I do. It's my decision at the end of the day, but I do believe that there are metaphysical, mile markers and stop signs and one way signs. Clarity, alignment with things like paying attention. When you're talking about paying attention to the universe,

you're talking about something arriving that some, the religious might call a sign that you're just looking at as an alignment on a choice you're making because your heart tells you this is the correct intuition. Some people get shot up at the club. Other people have the night of their life because they're following whatever they think the path of the cosmos. It didn't have the night of my life

for sure. It was actually quite mediocre. We were bummed and we got back. It's a true story, by the way. Like we got back on it, whatever. And then the next day, like, hey, how was it? Oh my God. I got shot up like 20 minutes after we were there when we were debating whether to go in or not. So it's one of those things where, and as I go through my life, because at the time when it happened, I didn't say, wow, the signs were there. I just like, oh, wow, that was really lucky. But then when I started re-evaluating my life

and the different things that were happening, I realized, all the while, there were all these little things that you wanna do this, you wanna do this, you don't wanna do this. And sometimes I listen, and it happened to great success, like for instance, going to go work for Summer League and doing a podcast with Henry Abbott, just because I was like, ah, whatever.

And then the next thing I know, ESPN wants to hire me. And I'd never, ever, ever want to even thought about being in the media. Next thing you know, it's a career. Next thing I know, it's a career. And as it introduced me to more people and a better life for myself and my family than I ever could have had if I had kept doing the thing that I wanted to do, which was, oh, just stay in the fun

office and, you know, work my way up to director a player person elsewhere. You were headed toward a joyless career of not making creative things through the most creative path that you could get to. I would call it joyless, I would call it a roller coaster of peaks and valleys of emotion, right? I say this all the time, I have never felt as happy as I felt when I was working for a team and we're successful and I love all our players and the people I work with. I've never felt as low as working for a team and we're not successful and the people I work for will complete monsters. Like terrible. Yeah, but what you're doing now has more to do with your individual fulfillment

than that could give you as part of a team. Correct. Like that being that small, a feature in an organization that is having great success can bring you joy, but it's not personal fulfillment that is under your control. Like you have to go little under your control. If a player used directly scouted and it up being a key piece, he could personalize it. Well, that's what being on a team is. Yeah, and it was. I would have gotten immense joy, but maybe like creative expression, that's the part that would have been missing. I would not have had that creative expression. But I think I would have found joy if I was in the right work environment

in the same way that I found joy working at ESPN up until a point where I didn't find joy because everyone I liked working with was gone. And I'm like, what am I staying just to say I want to stay and say just like what I should have stayed with the stuff, just say I work in the NBA and to impress people out of bar or should I stay in the state I'm like, what am I staying just to say I want to stay? And say, just like what I should have stayed with, just say I work in the NBA and to impress people out of bar.

Or should I do things with people that I enjoy working with and that's what I did? I think I'm gonna stop talking about Aaron Rodgers. Or maybe I won't. No, I think maybe I'll just keep talking about him. I do think ultimately to answer the question, I am full of shit. Because I am interested in the conversation.

I'm interested in his, his heel turn. And at least that's the way that I'm processing. Well, and people will enjoy you being hurt by his heel turn. Yeah, I think your heroes could let you down. And I put them on a pedestal that in retrospect kind of feels ridiculous. And I always, I want to know about your family life. I want to know about this dynamic. I want to know about the guy.

And as a year's turn and then, variables change, putting men on pedestals doesn't always go great. Just tossing that out. Remember when we thought that his family was awful and he was a nice guy. What if it's the opposite? What if they were right? No, no. We heard that he found solace with the RFK junior, right? Don't let it hard. You got to know I'm a big a columball guy. Slude that boy. Okay, I don't think that's proof. I don't think that's proof. I think that's proof. I think that's a lie.

I don't think that's a lie. That's absolute. I don't think that is evidence. Slude to that boy. It suggests Kim and Flodge. It suggests that Judeo has no idea what we're talking about. And now it's just Googling it. Stugots.

I'm not Googling it. My grandma's been staying in the country. I watched the Braves, I watched the Colombo, I watched Matt Lott, I watched Andy Griffin. Yeah, I watched the Chugo to the Pill of the Bus. Damn, you don't want to watch the Chugo. I'm the Laya. You don't, you do.

Back to you, Stu. This is the Don't Libertyar show with this two gods. Lucy is here with us in a very uncomfortable, you've noticed this, Lucy, a very uncomfortable Mike Ryan. He is really squirming around in the tightness of his shirt. He makes it seem because he's been fidgeting around in it for about, I'm going to say 90 minutes, like he didn't try it on before he left his hotel this morning.

I don't know where the shirt is. He really hits it. It's just a really bad shirt. I don't know. Why do you buy it? Because I wanted a collared shirt, you know, just to start the week and set the tone, and I needed something that went with Navy because I had clean Navy pants, and I just hate the shirt.

It's an awful shirt. I didn't really look at it, leaving the hotel, and then after makeup, I'm like, why am I wearing this goddamn shirt for shirts? All right, so you'll forgive whatever his discomforts are. He has fidgeted the entire time. Drifting. That could be a fun segment. We can just walk into his store and just be like, top this.

Lucy, if you can. You are doing nothing but spending a metal arc expense account money. All you're doing is shopping as far as I can tell. I have so many hats now, so many hats and everyone loves them. Ancient can expense it because of the fit check. Exactly. It performs so well on social. I know, right? I beat the system. Content, making of content is expensive and it leads me to something that I wanted to talk about with you guys because I was legitimately bummed out when the problem with John Stewart, they were doing excellent

television for two seasons, filling a lane. I think I can make a decent argument right there with whoever it is you view as the comedy greats of all time they're performing right now. Signed failed any of them that you want to put in the discussion of greatest ever. I can make the argument that no one has had a career, like John Stewart has had in terms of impact. And for him to be growing this late in life, trying to do activism type things that almost all of us can agree on, helping military servicemen get health benefits when they return.

Undressing an Oklahoma lawmaker and a viral clip on gun control because we're all fed up with schools having slaughters in them from guns fighting for health care for the first responders of 9-11. He's he's done a lot and some of the choices that he makes when it comes to activism are historically conservative causes that he's heading up. And he seems pretty reasonable with everything that he discusses. Even when he addresses that Oklahoma State Representative, conceding certain conservative arguments of the point that it really disarms, no pun intended, the representative, I'm a huge fan of what John Stewart did

with the Daily Show, what he chose to do and taking a break in some of his film choices. And now with the problem on Apple, granted, I wasn't tuning in weekly to Apple to see the problem, but they would always show up on my algorithms because I enjoyed so much of the work and I would digest it primarily in clips. And now comes the news that it is no longer going to continue.

Creative differences is what they said, but I'm eager to hear what John Stewart will have to say about this. But it seems like it's political differences. Some of the reporting is that he was going to do, because what Mike said is accurate, John Stewart is fact-based. One of the reasons that he became such a credible journalist as a comedian is because he is so fact-based, and so he was going to do something on AI, on China, and apples like, no, you're not, and then dismiss him creative differences. And if that guy can get gone, then a corporation can stand for nothing and make everyone go away and never allow anyone to speak honestly because brand management is the most important thing.

From what I've read so far, it had to do a lot with, hey, they wanted to talk about China and Apple wasn't cool with it. They also were unhappy with the guests that John Stewart was bringing on. And I watched this show. It wasn't a weekly show. It was a very weird cadence of when it came out, but I've watched every single episode. And he would make jabs at Apple all the time in his like funny little John Swertway, where you could get away with it.

But it was pretty much only a matter of time before this happened in my opinion. I remember getting some calls from some industry types when he interviewed Larry Summers, the former secretary of the treasury, basically arguing on behalf of we should have have and have nots the wealth gap is fine it's fine for corporations to make all the money and he tried to pin down john steward in a hypocrisy by saying well you're paid by apple would you say that apple is gouging by grabbing all the money that they can and he's like absolutely i would and i got the call right

then that shows done that show is over because i don is over because I don't understand, I legitimately don't understand what is your point as a company if you are owner of all the FU money in the world and all you're about is collecting more and more FU money but never using it for standing for anything. Why even bring John Stewart on in the first place to do that type of show?

Because don't you know where you're exposed if you're Apple? And for me, the disheartening part of seeing the reports that it will no longer continue, someone that experienced it not in the way that Lucy did, but experienced these clips. And I went out and saw individual episodes, depending on the topic, is this is no surprise given that Apple is funding the entire operation. Yeah, editorial, they're conflicted when it comes to China. They're pushing the limits on artificial intelligence like all the tech companies, and it makes me really afraid of what content might be in the future because someone went to the mat for having John Stewart on and they obviously

saw the merits in it because they brought him on and I guess they omitted where they might be exposed. But now you have this case study and you have this as an example. And considering where the industry is going with streaming, with Apple emerging, getting critical acclaim, with Netflix being a part of everyone's subscription model at this point with the rise of YouTube, which is owned by Google, you have these big tech companies. You understand why they have no interest in actual journalism that might expose where

they are exposed. But when you say you're afraid for content, I'm afraid for something a bit larger than that, which is the idea that we get to a place where these tech companies are the four networks. That's all that there is, and that all of them are already. I talk to industry types now. They're already saying that it's hard to get anything bought that's going to bother a fraction of the fanbase. And so when you say you're scared about what the content is, I'm scared about the inability

to just tell the truth, to just tell the truth without fear of reprisal, which is what I thought was the America that I lived in and the more power that these companies get to cancel a John Stewart and be able to do it quietly. I don't even know what the financial penalty is for doing that to John Stewart, but to be able to do it and not even think about it. That's a financial penalty to the likes of Apple or Amazon or Google or even Netflix, though they're in a different class because all Netflix has is the content.

Apple can price a phone basically whatever they want at this point in half because of the cheap labor that they're getting in China. And they can assume any kind of hit. It's a rounding error. They don't even prices. It doesn't even come up when they're talking about whether or not they should extend or cancel John Stewart show. I think that there's always going to be a market for true honest storytelling. However, the buyers are now all these tech companies, and it's only becoming more and

more that way. What we'll eventually call for is a sort of united artist, fully independent type of streaming service that you'll pay a mighty premium for. And eventually that'll get bought up by a tech company. Do you think people care, like, when I I was leaving when we were leaving ESPN I remember telling people a couple of things that I didn't want to do. I didn't want to team up with an NFL partnered entity that would limit our ability to talk about football how we wanted to. You wanted that at ESPN? No, after we left. After we left the ESPN, not at ESPN.

Well, I mean, because that being a dizzy, we were plenty exposed and we got into plenty of trouble because of those partnerships. That's correct. And so I didn't want to do that again, but I also had mentioned at the time that I didn't know how important these microphones might be in 2024 because I did not have in my vision, then, I mean, you see a lot of different things collapsing.

The idea that an apple could step in and extinguish was clearly a good product, could extinguish a comedian. If he's not beloved, he's certainly very popular and means something to people and can extinguish him in an ash tray without even giving it a second thought. And now he doesn't have that platform anymore, a platform where they had five Emmy nominations. And indisputably, we're doing good and important work.

This is a person that when you go online and you see the Gen Z coverage of John Stewart, he is a person that that that people want to see as president one day, like someone that people really, really, really trust him. They trust him. I trust him. I was always so good. And sometimes even when he loses his tone, it meets the moment to an understandable point. And he's able to take these like very complex issues that feel so beyond scope and make them funny and understandable. And it's, it is something you don't really see very much.

I would say John Oliver is the only other person who's doing something like this. And for me, like the last few weeks have been tough where I'm watching the news and I'm having a really hard time understanding and figuring out, hey, is this a source that, yeah, I can trust that or not. And it's, when you have someone that you're like, okay, I trust John Stewart, I respect him. And you see him just like, all right, that's done. You're gone.

It feels very scary and very daunting. Do people care though? Do people listening to this care? Is this just something that people like us who care about media things are obsessing over it? Because I'm telling you that that Larry Summers interview that I'm talking about is something that nobody in television would have even tried. Because it's too sprawling to talk about topic matter that's that difficult. And I mentioned before, the television news anchor man was replaced in polling, according to Americans as most trusted news source by John Stewart. And what he was doing with comedy and journalism at Comedy Central to change the form.

And I do wonder, outside of fans of John Stewart. Are there so many problems right now in America on your television set in your home with your bills? People don't have time to care about stuff like this that we sound like we're flimsy because we're scared. Oh, sorry, you can't speak honestly to your boss. Your boss is in charge of you. John Stewart doesn't have any actual power.

Well, let's be realistic about this. I think we're breaking to a large portion of the audience that John Stewart actually had a show on Apple. The way that it was marketed wasn't necessarily great. And largely people don't know what they don't know. So I think the only people that are really going to get frustrated about our content creators worried about honest, true storytelling and actual journalism because if you're worried about where might John Stewart

find a platform to reach the masses, and you can argue whether or not Apple TV is the masses, because it's finite still in the scope of streaming. All the options have plenty of hypocrisies, have plenty of partnerships that are troubling. And it's, I've heard you say something earlier about how you didn't want to necessarily partner up with someone that had a partnership with the NFL.

Draft Kings is one of the biggest partners that the NFL has. There's no, but control what we say. No, they've been great partners in that respect. You're always gonna be worried though, when the other chew might drop just because operating as a Fortune 500 company in America means you're going to have your hypocrisies. There's going to be some money in the fray that you're not comfortable with, and it might be sizable enough where they have input on what you say, and it may land wrong, and it may totally jeopardize where your content goes from there. Don Lebatard. All these high paid analysts,

I don't wanna mention names, TNT, ESPM, you know, yeah, they can't look at it, they're not going to make it, you know, even if they win, if they lose it in Miami. I mean, they calm you down, I mean, they lose it in Miami, they don't got a chance in Boston They're going to have their ass you know what?

The in Boston you know, Stugats. They were wrong. They were are they going to lose their job? No, they're going to get a cutting plate. No, what are they going to do? Keep predicting what is the obvious. They're going to say, oh, the nuggets are going to win. Oh, Denver, the altitude.

And you know what? The hit are going to win it all. This is the down lebatar show with this two cats. I don't know if this relationship with intern Adam McKay is working. People are getting very mad at this segment. It's not surprising. Anytime you mention a bunch of things that nobody wants to hear, nobody wants to talk about, that's where you arrive. So we're doing it still because we've got a long-term contract with the filmmaker Adam McKay. It's the horrifying climate stat of the day. And how do you feel like're improving. I think, you know, credit to metal arc, you've

hired some great consultants, McKinsey, Bane. And I think they're really starting to kind of jump it up a notch. The new image of me tested through the roof. It is, it is handsome. It's a very handsome version of you. You've allowed, you've spent a lot of money to create an avatar for yourself that is much more handsome than you actually are in person. I mean, that's not cool. And and the money came from metal arc. So, and it was a lot and Skipper's upset. It was over six million. But what we're trying to do is like, look, if people are bummed out about the climate thing,

nothing's gonna change. So we're really working hard to give it a positive hue and lately, and I'm letting a little bit of your background business out of the bag here. We've been talking to Chevron and Exxon about how to make this a little more pleasant. I'd love to hear this. It's not even just pleasant. I'd like to find the laughter around some of this.

People are finding it dark, they're finding it depressing, they're blaming me, they're blaming you. They don't understand why we're spending any money on this, on any of this. Yeah, I mean, the big thing is no one wants to be driven to the point of alarm where they have to like go in the streets and march or like yell at their representatives or demand action. That's the last thing anyone wants. So we're working on making it more of a lifestyle, pleasant kind of thing. And I think we're doing, well, I mean, look at the image of me.

This is all we have to prove what you're suggesting. How are we, how else are we doing this to make this a little more positive, a little lighter? Well, we're working with the big corporations to create carbon offsets. I don't know if you know that metal arc has a new program where a helicopter flies over northern Florida and drops tree seeds. We don't know if they take or not, but it's a carbon offset. I don't know why we're making any of these business deals with you. You're not the guy in charge.

It's Skipper, it's McKinsey, it's Bane, it's, you know, we're, and now Chevron and Exxon and they're really smart. It's all market based. In fact, every word I've said you so far is market based tested. What's that tested? Yes. Yeah, yeah. Every I'm looking at a screen right now that shows when I get it out of line with the market testing we've done, and today's stat is in line with that.

All right, let me find our music here. Hold on a second. Let me see where this is. We're all gonna die. We're all gonna die. We're all gonna die. We're all gonna die. We're all gonna die. But it could be. We're all gonna die. We're all gonna die.

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It's a little bit. It's a little bit. It's a little bit. It's a little bit. It's a little bit. I don't understand. All right, so the East Bearing straight is where all of the snow crabs that we have come from. So if you've eaten snow crabs in the past, you know, 10 years, 95% chance it was from the East Bearing Straits, so they because of warming waters just had a massive die-off of the snow crabs. So you have to tell me, is it 100% of the snow crabs that died to 500% or 3,000%. Well, the worst is 100%. It can't be any worse than that. Correct.

So all of them have died? But it was the least of the three. But all of them died? We, yeah, a crab is now extinct because I did read a story this week and about billions of blue crabs dying, billions. Yeah, it was 10 billion snow crabs are now gone because their ocean water was two degrees Celsius warmer than it should be.

And yeah, it was like, but it was the least of the three that's right. It was. It is. So that is, that is how what Chevron has helped, and the McKenzie group have helped make this more positive because it was the least. You're giving the least percentage of crabs that could have died from those choices, even though 100% is the most. Yeah, everything you said is correct.

Okay, I just want to make sure that I had that right. Yeah, here's the bottom line. Okay, so that right. Yeah. Here's the bottom line. Okay. So that was people. People don't want to hear. And I've learned this from McKinsey, Bane, Exxon, Chevron. No one wants to hear bummer news. Like they want to hear things that like you can donate $50 for or, hey, the Democrats, even though Biden is expanding drilling

leases like crazy, like they're still better than Republicans. Like people want that kind of the outcome. So if you're going to go towards immediate alarm, take towards the streets, you know, your representatives in government, your news media have totally sold you out. It's just not going to fly. Okay, but we'll continue pouring resources into the segment, continue pouring music into this segment, animation into this segment. I don't think that people quite understand how hard it is for this character to come to life, this character to have this sophisticated of an animation. You're somebody

who works at the top of Hollywood and the fact that you have spent this amount of money to try and make this segment funnier when people are rejecting all parts of this segment. They're rejecting everything. Why are you laughing in my face? You are a character here who's being very expensive to metal, Mark, trying to make climate change funny and it's hard. It's hard to make people feel like about this

subjit. It's between three million for the base animation. And then every time we do the segment, it's seven hundred thousand dollars. All the crabs, Adam, all the crabs. Every one of them. All the crabs. Done. All the crabs.

Snow crabs. Done. all the crabs. Done. All the crabs. Snow crabs. Done. By the way, real quick and chevron told me not to say this. It did not test well.

All the coral in Florida and now in progress the Caribbean debt. And it doesn't come back. All right, another bonus horrifying climate fact of the day. You didn't even ask for that one. A little bonus one is this maniacal figure laughs in my face. Thank you, Adam. We'll pick it up with you again at some happier time. All right, thanks, Dan. All right, thanks, Dan.