The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 2: What's That Gnawing On My Leg? (feat. Jemele Hill)

Episode Date: July 14, 2025

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Did we have game show imaging and any bells and whistles for the Jermell Hill segment? Are you willing to die on that hill? We had some fun game show music. We're ready to go with it. All right. Jermell is going to join us shortly. Please have that ready in moments. We will get to it in a second. We will get to against the spread as

well. But before we do that, I see some reports here during a really slow week. A whole lot of people are taking their vacation during this sports content time. And into the breach is an article about LeBron feeling disrespected by the team of the Lakers turned being turned over to Luca and Rich Paul is now saying how many teams are interested in LeBron James? Four. Do you not believe that? Well the first thing that comes to my mind is stampering you know if teams are just calling a player's agent to try and negotiate a trade kind of not how it works. Yeah but kind of not how it works.

Yeah, but kind of how it does work if you're running the sport the way he has been for the last 15 years. So do you believe that though? Because I would be, a lot of people, some people are saying that they don't believe that there's a market for him and I simply refuse to believe that. That, now is there a market that he would want to go to because it's a championship market? I don't know if there's a fit there, but I think there are a few, and I don't think New York says no. Why would New York say no?

A lot of this is self-governing too. It's, if you receive word, if you're an MLS team and you receive word, hey, Messi is interested in a move to the United States. I think Real Salt Lake's gonna be like, we're probably out on this one. We won't even bother picking up the phone, we know. You see any disrespect in the idea,

the Van Gundys have said, the hardest thing to do in sports is to coach an aging superstar. There's not a lot of self-awareness. This aging superstar has been unlike any before him as a prodigy in sports, being able to handle what fame was effortlessly, it seems, for 25 years.

This person has been in the center of the news stream in a way that has turned a basketball player into the next closest thing to Michael Jordan that we've ever seen in terms of fame, notoriety, all of it. And at the end of his career, my guess would be that he would have a very high bar for what it is to respect him, and he would feel easily disrespected by anyone who didn't assign proper value to what has been an unrelenting billion-dollar economy for 15 years every year. Yeah, but he's gotten proper value, including the one-year contract he just signed.

Just to be clear, what is the disrespect bringing in a younger elite basketball player to help him win? How is it disrespect? You've decided that I'm no longer the face of this red that is disrespectful. Which is it? Do you want to have a good basketball team? I don't get it. They drafted his son.

I mean, the disrespect, come on, this is manufactured. Just say you don't want to be there anymore because you're not the star of the show. There's no disrespect there. The Lakers have been super respectful of LeBron. It is interesting though, because yes, the whole how do you handle an aging superstar thing?

You know, Kobe Bryant final year shooting under 40%. Dirk Nowitzki final year scoring like 11 or 12 points per game. LeBron still scores like 26 points per game, shoots over 50%. It's an aging superstar, but he's still really good. Yeah, but he's more than aging. He's in his 40s. And LeBron's done everything right his entire career. Hopefully he can do the right thing in aging gracefully

and accepting that LA is not moving on without him necessarily, but moving on with a younger player they can build around for the next five, seven years. But Greg, how does aging gracefully when you've been at the top of the sport and at the top of media and at the top of everything your entire life, how does that look like aging wise when you're like, all right, they brought in this guy, Luca,

but now we've got two different timelines, now we've got two different things going on. What does aging look like aging wise when you're like, all right, they brought in this guy, Luca, but now we've got two different timelines. Now we've got two different things going on. What does ageing look like for the Broncos? Well, let's do this real quick here because you say, guys, you guys just said, where's the disrespect? Well, statistically still a top 10 player and you just dismissed him as if it should just be someone else's team. Statistically better than Luca last year. So where are we now because i could see where a man of substantive ego who is conquered sports in an unprecedented way would say well show me all the ways that he's a lot better because when i was leading

this team we were three c and whenever i'm healthy were relevant luca came over here and we couldn't show the basketball great because he's doing a lot of it eight for nineteen all of a sudden because not handle the ball as much as he wants to know who's going to be better in five years the the the people running the lakers have to think in terms of what's the immediately but this is look it's easy to be teammates when everyone's interests are aligned this is where they conflict

they're totally different let's bring in jamal here uh... jamal hill here her new episodes drop every week's politics that's a. You can subscribe to her YouTube channel at It's Jamel Hill. And she's also a contributing writer for the Atlantic. Has been a long time metal arc advisor. How's this game show go? Do we have the sound? Let's go. Let's play the, okay. And how do we chant it? Are you willing to die on this hill. This or that? Is it this or that? This hill or that hill?

Are you willing to die on this hill? The aliens. Fireworks are the exclusive domain of dumb men. Are you willing to die on that hill? Hill. While I do think they continually do dumb things with them, I don't think it's just them. I mean, kids still do enjoy fireworks, but I'm not willing to die on that one.

I don't think it's that serious with them. Boys, though, they have fireworks. Yes, yes, generally, generally boys. I mean, I was using sparklers. I had a more tame firework experience. I didn't deal with fireworks that would cost me any limbs, but you know, generally I don't, I won't die on that one. I'm the man in the bull.

All right. We'll bring it back here at the, on the back end. I just wanted to start with something light before bringing you in on the conversation we were having before you got here, which is I have the most amazing dentist. It is a spa-like experience. It is wonderful. It's the greatest thing I've known in dentistry, but she keeps talking about Trump and deep state, and I can't get her to stop, and what do I do? Hell.

Okay, so it is hard to find a good dentist though, and you're talking about a spa-like experience for a dentist? Like, I've never even heard of that. I had a similar situation with a makeup artist and I really, really liked her. And she, but I could tell that she was in a cult. And unfortunately, but I still use her though

cause she's just, she's too good. So, but what happens is I learned how to steer the conversation in my direction as opposed to letting her pick the topics. So it's always something like reality TV, you know. I steer the conversation. I can't talk, she's got sharp utensils in my mouth. That is true.

And Greg Cody is telling me to tell her to shut up in dentists and I'm not willing to do it. I'm not, I'm unwilling to do that. I don't want that future awkwardness. I'm enjoying my dentistry. Well, I think you got to suck it up, Dan. I mean, if you have to hear about the Epstein files for a while, if you have to hear about, you know,

deep state conspiracies, I think it's worth it. I think your teeth would appreciate that you got to do it for your teeth okay thank you Jamal I appreciate your permission you were you were onboarding when we were talking about LeBron and it's not something that we have ever seen before in our sports lifetime any of what happens with him at this age any of what he's been is without precedent. What do you do if you're the Lakers? What do you do if you're LeBron? What is happening there?

Do you think he'd last the season in Los Angeles? I do, and listen, I could be really naive here. And I just don't think at his age he's willing to go through the same process. And I get it, like another team would probably be able to build something around him so he could compete for another title. But he's 40 years old and his family loves Los Angeles.

He loves living in Los Angeles. He certainly, you know, sorry, no disrespect to the Clippers. He's not gonna go there, you know, he wants to be in Los Angeles. But it reminded me of a recent conversation I had with Chris Paul down there in Miami when I was there for American Black Film Festival. And he's talked about how tough these last five or six years have been on him because he's moved around so much of his career. And he doesn't want to do that anymore. Like that requires a certain

amount of energy that requires you building not just another team, but you have to build an entirely new ecosystem around you. And I just don't think at this age, nobody wants to do that. Like I know that he always wants to compete. And I know he always to some degree loves having leverage and an advantage over a team as he's put himself in that situation many, many, many times.

But I think the mental bandwidth to do that is a legitimate factor here, and I think he's going to finish his career in Los Angeles. I can't tell you how stunned I am to be having this conversation with Jemele Hill and her saying, I'm watching the way that he moves at 40 years old, and she's like, he's 40 years old,

he doesn't want to physically move. She's saying that LeBron James doesn't want the inconvenience, because he's an old person who has ear hair, of being moved to another city and competing more for a championship. He's too old for that shit, is what she's saying. Not to be great at basketball, but to move cities. Man, think about it, Dan. You've been, well, I know it's a little different with you because you've been in Miami your whole life.

But right now, let's see, I've been in LA since 2018. The idea of picking up, moving, relocating my whole life, and I know I'm not LeBron James. I don't have his money. He can make things as convenient as he possibly can. But you get to a certain age, and especially if you've built a good life for yourself in that city, it'd be one thing if he didn't like LA or this wasn't all the things that he's exposed to in LA, he really loves.

And I just don't see him picking up and be like, you know what, let's give Cleveland one more go. Like why? Who wants to do that? I'm not even making fun of you. You've made more sense than anyone I've asked about this because I keep thinking it's probable that he will leave. I keep thinking that there's no reason you begin this year

with that salvo if you actually intend on staying there, that that is something to grease the wheels to leave. But you've convinced me based on just being old enough to not wanting to be bothered by the hassle of movers in your house. Yeah, I mean, not just movers. It's like his family's not gonna come with him. I mean it like I don't see him having it yet, I mean I'm sure his team and and other people will but and

I don't know I don't know them at all of that Savannah, his wife wants or a couple times actually and I just don't get that impression, especially as he's winding down his career. And I think her input matters a lot because he said that she sacrificed so much throughout, you know, their marriage so that he can be this great basketball player, like try selling her on another move. I just I don't think it's I don't think it will happen.

It's another good point. It's another good point. He's not going anywhere because of Savannah. How's that? And he also still has Zuri, she's still in school. Like he's not gonna approve them just to give this one more shot. And then it's, and listen, I know the West is loaded

and there's no guarantees that anything will work out just because he moves and goes elsewhere. I think he just likes his life too much. And that doesn't mean he's not in his feelings about how they're transitioning the franchise about you know if the reports are true they didn't tell him about the sale. That doesn't mean that he's not upset with that but is he upset enough to where he's just like I'm gonna detonate this whole thing? I don't think so. I just want to

say that's smart logic to me and we've seen it with a comparable talent down here in Lino Messe. One of the reasons he signed with Inner Miami is that his family loves Miami. They own the condo on Miami Beach before he ever signed here. He lives in Fort Lauderdale. Well, his family owned the condo in Miami Beach before he ever signed here, authenticating that his family and he used to vacation here. They love it here.

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I don't know that we have to necessarily start over, but it might have to be, it will be a black people's meeting, an important one that will be called the next day, where we might have to put some things on the agenda and get it off the table. This is the Don Lebatard Show with the Stugats. ["The Stugats Show Theme"]

What are you yelling about? Go back to game show, no one's here to cue the music. Okay, then we lose, we all lose if we go back to the game show. And wouldn't that be unfortunate if we couldn't go back to die on that hill? This hill. You want to just play it?

Just keep it playing. You know what? At any point, this can break out. All right. All right, Jamel, here's the question. Earlier in the show, don't ask me how this happened, but Chris Cody said there's no way that his father at any point,

any more at this point in his life checks out porn on the internet. So are you willing to die on that hill, Jamel Hill? Are you? At his age, if LeBron's not willing to do anything at 40 to move, are you willing to die on the hill that Greg Cody, no way he's too old for dabbling in any of that internet.

Smut. It's not that he would be too old, it's just that he just seems like such a wholesome man. Thank you. And I have a hard time believing. With that mustache? I am a wholesome man. Exactly.

Yes, thank you. What a great compliment, a wholesome man. Strictly missionary. I don't, I don't, I don't understand. Jamal, what are you looking at here? This scoundrel, this rascal. What is it that you're looking at that you see a wholesome man here? Listen, he's got a collared shirt. It's probably 2000 degrees in Miami. He's got a, you know what I'm saying? He's always very rational for the most part.

It just, it alludes to me. I'm more likely to believe Greg is at a weekly Bible study than I am to believe that he is watching porn. Now that I mean, no way on that last one. Zazzalow, do you want to bring up your parenting conundrum to Jamell Hill? Jamell, should my 16 year old son be allowed to travel with his friends, no adult, to Chicago

for UFC? Good card though, good card though. You answered that question. Couple of caveats, really good card, and he loves the Arab fighters. Okay, generally, what is his track record of responsibility? Responsible. Loves the of responsibility? Responsible. Loves the air fighter. Responsible. Is this the Roach History chicken son?

He ran around the Minecraft theater with a chicken jockey. Okay, no. What? Not a good kid. Yes, well, but wait a minute, hold on. This is an unfair appraisal. This would not be happening, and Zazzle would not be entertaining it at all if he did not believe his son to be responsible.

Hill. Yeah. Okay. So I think you should let him go. I guess more the the other way before I before I sell you too hard on this are his other friends responsible. Yes Jamal nice Jewish boys. Yes. Okay, all right, all right, that's important. I think you should let him go. Listen, when I was, I didn't, well, I didn't go to Chicago, but we had this tradition. Like a lot of us used to go to Cedar Point, which is in Sandusky, Ohio, the amusement park.

So go there for a weekend, friends, we did it. It was fine, All worked out. So I- This is an upset. You and Tony are the only ones- I think the trip to Chicago- Good card. The internet has gathered up and yelled at Zaslow.

It's only you and Tony giving him this advice. Only you and Tony. Jamel, I told him great card. Hamza Chimaev, Drikus Du Plessis for the world title. Like this is huge. I love some Arab fighters. Yeah, and look, he's goingis for the world title. Like this is huge. I love some Arab fighters. And look, he's going there for a specific activity.

It's a great experience. And I do think part of, and I say this as someone who's childish, or childless, excuse me, also childish sometimes, but childless. And so it's easy for me to give advice, but one of the things I see with these young people and how they don't know how to deal with certain situations

is because their parents do everything to continually protect them from discomfort. And not that it's uncomfortable going to Chicago, but the experience of being on your own, in a city, traveling, you gotta figure it out. You gotta find out how not to make sure you wind up in a ditch, and I think that'll be an important experience.

Good advice from Jamermell Hill, alone with Tony on an island, but I would say that I will not trust any 16-year-old and even less at a UFC fight. Even those two ingredients alone, I'm gonna separate them. Fireworks, baby. I'm gonna keep both of those things apart from each other,

16 years old and UFC fight. So if he were going then to, let's say another event, let's say he was going to- A butterfly museum. Okay, what about Club World Cup? If he were going to like, to something else, would you still- That seems so much more dangerous, Club World Cup.

Then UFC? Then UFC. Hooligans! It's not a real thing. Hooligans. Wait, the hooligans are in the crowd at UFC fights. Yeah. So, for you, Dan, it's about the event or is it the combination of 16 and being?

Well, first of all, the thing that was stunning to me is that his 16-year-old son didn't even ask permission, told him he was going. That's wild. Oh, okay. Now, see, that's a different story. Oh, okay. Yeah, you see, you guys are missing key context. Like, no, no, no, no, no.

Okay. That's a different story. You guys are missing key context. No, no, no, no, no. If you're going to go, you got to give me a whole slide presentation about why you should go and be able to go with your friends. Yes, but it started with, hey, me and my friends, we bought tickets for UFC Chicago. It's this day. Oh, no, no, no. But what I mean, my wife say you're not going. It's not like he's, oh, yes, I am. And he's getting on a plane. We could end it right now if we want Wow see now now now I'm

Starting to crumble here because I'm troubled by the audacity of buying the tickets without asking you first I want to play for Jamal the sound that we've been playing with all morning I believe that Connor McGregor in the history of sports is second only to Ali when he's on his game talking and we want to play this out for jamal she's got the same body of sports journalism history that i do so maybe she's got better talkers that she has seen in her life but let's go to connor mcgregor again has a one-off fighting five years but knows how to sell bare-knuckle fighting all it's a pleasure to be back here at the Hard Rock Hotel

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Let's go give it up. Come on. Give me the game show music here. Connor McGregor is on a copious amount of cocaine, Jamel Hill. Would you die on that hill? OK, so you basically want me to defame somebody and accuse them of being on cocaine.

Oh, I'm not that rich, Dan. I'm not you. I'm sorry. Just looks like. We'll have to go to Discovery. Just looks like. Oh, OK. go to discovery. Just looks like. Oh, okay. My proof would be look at it.

Look, he could have just had a pretty strong Red Bull. You never know. He could have, that's true. He could have. I mean, we don't know this. Okay, look, there's plenty of other natural substances that can give you that amount of energy. So I'm gonna say not.

Not willing to die on that hill? Not willing to die on the hill of defamation. I don't want to defame Conor McGregor. All right, let's show her some video here of Conor McGregor shadow boxing and any of the other videos that you can show of Conor McGregor clearly. I'm gonna go ahead and say it.

Jamel won't. Jamel, come on. Okay, bend over. He's on something wider than that soon come on come on Jamal doesn't add or all do the same thing I'm told shadow box there it is I'm with Jamal we don't know we don't know Jamal we don't know seeing you I will tell the people again new episodes episodes of her podcast, politics every week on I heart subscribe to her YouTube channel at it's Jamel Hill and also read everything she writes at the Atlantic.

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Oh, he's on fire. He calls Connor McDavid overrated before the show. What the hell was that Greg? Yeah, no, I love it. Stugats. Roy, let me explain it to you. You know more about hockey than I do. And this is coming from a guy that's watched Conor play six

times, if that. This is the Don LeBathard Show with the Stugats. I didn't ask Jamel about the big award that you won recently. I should have told her about the big award that you won because we haven't talked about it at all. And congratulations on being a big award winner. Thank you. Tell us more about this. Look at how engaged you are.

You cannot wait to get in here and talk about this. I was told a couple of days ago that I had been honored by the 75th Annual Green Eye Shade Awards, which is a major journalism group in the Southeastern United States. The award encompasses the 12 Southeastern states. Just 12? Yeah, 12.

Can't believe they used the silhouette of you for the award in this picture. It is a similar honker. It's a similar honker. It's not quite as chiseled a chin. His chin can go though. No, but his chin isn't quite that chiseled, but the nose seems life-size. Yeah, the way he writes. That's true. I do use a quill pen. So Zaz, I saw you question here. This is a distinguished award. Green Eye Shade, this is literary stuff. This is stuff when I was coming up, this was important stuff. I'm just wondering which states, you know, it's 12. Which 12 states? It's SEC countries. You should probably thank the states, right? It's the southeastern states, Georgia, Florida, Louisiana. You kicked Dave Hyde's ass. Well, he didn't

win and I did, so. Oh, that's what Danny that's what dan in in this case but this is just for writing like no radio nothing not a little microphone this is sports commentary number one sports commentary not number two not number three correct number one in twelve states yeah i was also part of uh... a team of herald writers that finished second in sports reporting for our Florida Panthers Stanley Cup coverage. Who won that one? I can't remember.

It was not a local. For your coverage of calling McGregor a McDavid overrated? Yes, correct. You look great, man. You look like someone winning a journalism award. Thank you. I'm proud of you. Thank you, Mike.

Where does this rank in terms of career achievements and noteworthy awards for you because I'm not kidding when I say I do remember that outside of the Associated Press Awards Green Eye Shade was viewed as the most literary of the journalism awards when we were when we were coming up in the business is that still so? I think so. I think it's a prestigious award. I was surprised to win. It probably ranks I've made the Associated Press Sports Editors top ten three times and this probably ranks What is the practical purpose of the green eye shade? It's a wild look. It's reserved for accountants and poker dealers

Does it help you do something in particular? Why was that even a hat? It doesn't seem super practical but it obviously has to have some sort of benefit. As old as I am, the green eye shade predates me. Like I had no idea what that was used for. Okay so for those who cannot see it, the visor has it's an eye shade and it's being worn the way that Steve Spurrier would wear a visor. And I don't know what a green eye shade is. I don't know how it helps. I only associate it with this award

that I wanted to win growing up. I don't remember whether or not I won it though. I don't have any recollection. I'm guessing you can. Copy editors. They're part of the people that hold those positions that use green eyeshades. Okay. And they supposed to reduce eye strain and improve focus. I actually was curious about the phrase and I googled it and it's self corrected to green eyeshadow.

Yeah it reduces harsh lighting. Okay. So Dan, just to be clear, an award that Greg is really pleased to have won, you don't even bother to remember if you've won. I remember that it mattered to me. It's been so long that I don't remember whether, I think I'd remember if I'd won, so I must not have. Wow, I'm seeing here that in 2010, Wow, good year for you.

in the sports commentary category, Dan Levitard came in second place. That was a little behind John Romano of the St. Petersburg Times. Wow, and upset. No disrespect, John. Just ahead of David Kleimer? And that was the only time I placed in the green eye shadow.

You tell me right now, are you announcing for the first time that Greg Cody has kicked my ass at writing by winning in a war thing? At a motor at a more diluted time I actually finished second in 2005 that tells you how old I am Congratulations, Greg. Wait a minute 2014 Wait a minute! 2014 Dan Levitard beats Dave Hyde. Number one Dan Levitard number two Sunset Nails Dave Hyde. You kicked his ass. Look at you. How long ago was that? 2014 11 years ago. What have you done lately? Where you putting that? That was like end of the big three. So to your original points as it does appear that I've won an award that Greg Coney cares about.

I don't remember. Not as recently, though. Did you show up? Did you go? I did not. Would you remember? Those things are uncomfortable. I will tell you, this is funny.

This is scarring. I don't remember what the award was, but I do remember having to go to Jacksonville in order to accept it at what was an auditorium full of people. And what's funny about it, as I was running between TV hits and I grabbed a dry cleaning bag that I had not before getting this tuxedo tried on

because I was renting a tuxedo. Ooh, least favorite game. It was way too big, way too big. Oh, upset. Upset, agreed, but now imagine me walking up to make a speech holding my pants up. They've seen a lot of ill-fitting suits, I'm sure, of the green eye shade. No, no, no, but holding, I had to hold it up.

You didn't have a belt? This was not green eye shade, this was a big giant, Alonzo Mourning and Tim Hardaway were there, it was like some stately televised award. Oh yeah, you can't be doing that. Thing, and I'm walking on stage holding up my pants because I didn't try on the tuxedo before. That's embarrassing.

I mean. As I continue to dive here, in 03 you came in third place. Technically fourth place, because two people were tied for second, so. They loved your Marlins commentary. They gave you third place, but it was fourth. Well, congrats. So you made. So they gave you third place, but was fourth. Well, congrats. So you made your way up.

04, third place, really fourth place. 2010, second place. 2014, you got it done. Why do you have such little regard for the green eye shade? I didn't mean to do that. That was an accidental insult. Tony, don't look at me that way. Did you?

I did not remember whether. I don't even remember if I placed, I don't even know. Oh, I'm so proud of you, Greg. Thanks, Mike. The McGregor, the McDavid, look, now I'm doing it. Someone's gotta figure it out. The McDavid thing actually works. How old is McDavid?

Is he 37 or not? We've all done it today, it's happening a lot throughout the industry. I saw last night, and I wanted to ask you guys, because I imagine all of you are a fan of this genre of movie, the prison escape movie. It can be done poorly, but I saw one that Daniel Radcliffe starred in,

Escape from Pretoria, last night, that was about some people wrongfully imprisoned in South Africa, it's a true story. What are the greatest prison escape movies that ever have been made? Because I think of Escape from Alcatraz, I think of Papillon, and those are the first two that come to mind. Shawshank. Yeah, Shawshank. I mean, I think of Midnight Express.

I don't know if any of you have seen this movie. It's slow going, and the whole thing is based on how it is that these guys just sort of made keys in order to get out of a heavily armed prison. But what is it about this movie, this movie genre that will always get our attention because this one stopped me and I was like, how have I not seen this before? Now was The Last Castle an escape movie? The one with Robert Redford and James Gandolfini? That movie rocked, but not enough for me to actually remember someone escaped. I love prison movies.

Two kinds of movies I will watch, anyone, are prison movies and time travel movies. I will watch anything about those two. I love prison movies. Well, let's put this on the poll here, at LeBittard show what will grab you every time the most prison escape heist or shark you get to choose from among those three shark heist prison escape sharks gonna finish third

there right no matter how much I talk about jaws and after Greg Cody shocked us all by coming out with the take on the 50 year anniversary of jaws Overrated doesn't hold up never understood it. You have to understand Greg Cody has seen seven movies in his life He is not a connoisseur in any way shape or form, but he's very comfortable with his ignorance Well, that's not true. I've seen I used to go to movies all the time when I was in college So, you know, you know all the president's men. Did you go see Jaws? Yeah. Yeah, that had to be wild. What was the reaction in the theater?

People were gasping when the shark comes out of the water. Everybody's aghast. Have you ever seen anything like that before? It was very realistic. I don't know why Greg Cody is saying it doesn't hold up. When I watch it now, I'm like, what a fake looking it now I'm like what a fake looking shark I'm sorry yeah but a lot of people are but it's still very scary very effective think of a there's there's such a huge economy around that movie the licensing has been it's still generating buku bucks right and it's never no one ever dares to invoke hey let's remake this it's such it's such an easy movie to remake the

the shark doesn't look super real by today's standards. No one wants to touch that film because it's perfect. You're right. And in real, I remember in real time in the mid 70s, that movie had a chilling effect on beach going and wandering into the ocean. It's not just that though. There are so many ways that that can be done poorly.

Like in watching some of these documentaries It took them a minute before they arrived at the title jaws, but one of the rejected titles was what's that gnawing on my leg? Yeah, like that one. What you believe it? Talk about time travel imagine if we were 50 years after talking about what's that? Imagine if we were 50 years after talking about what's that gnawing on my leg. It sounds like a podcast. It does. Put it on the poll at Levitard Show.

Would Jaws had been as popular if it had been exactly the same movie, but named. Tony just went that podcast is hosted by Zoe. But named, What's That Gnawing on My Leg? Because the movie could be exactly the same, and that one detail, I'm with you. There's no way they're talking. There's no way John Williams is like,

I'm going to nail this score for What's That Gnawing on My Leg. I bet you the music is different. Because he's like, that music says Jaws, but it doesn't say What's that gnawing on my leg. That's crazy to think about, how many details could derail something, because I just don't believe we talk about it with the same reverence in any way.

If everything had been the same, but that had been the title. Also, I don't think the shark is, I don't think Jaws is as big if it's what's that gnawing on my leg. I would just love to see the people reading the best picture nominees that year. One flew over the cuckoo's nest.

What's that gnawing on my leg? Spielberg was hurt because they didn't get nominated, but they certainly wouldn't have gotten nominated if the name of the movie is What's that Gnawing on My Leg? Might have helped if Cuckoo's Nest won. So I come back around on the point that I made earlier, because you guys put on the poll at LeBretard show more iconic music from the movies, Jaws theme or Star Wars theme. But if you guys had to choose rivals, rival musical things, and I give you the entirety of the history of the movies.

I was marveling at the idea that a shark movie 50 years later would be the thing that would ascend to the very top of my list. But what else would you put in this conversation? Horror has as a genre, a secret hack to making music so extra important and memorable. Because you could be walking down the street music so extra important and memorable, because you could be walking down the street and if you hear, ah, ah, ah, ah,

you already go back to that. Psycho, another one. Some of the more iconic scores are in that horror genre because it makes you fear. It elicits that, Good, Bad, the Ugly is great, but it doesn't necessarily make you feel anything when you hear it. If you hear Psycho while you're showering,

you're gonna feel fear. I got the one for my generation, and it's easy. Jurassic Park. John Williams, man. There's a John Williams documentary that's pretty solid. That guy is one of the greatest. That will give me goosebumps every single time. If we did a movie, I know they do this on the Greg Cody show featuring Greg Cody

But I feel like we can ask Greg Cody some very simple movie questions that he would not know the answers to that would make his Expertise on very popular segment on my podcast Occasional segment hosted by my youngest son Michael. It's just to point out how little you know about the movies, right? Well, I try I sometimes answer them correctly depends on their questions. Could you name an actor from Goodfellas? De Niro. I see that's he knows De Niro. And Al Pacino like those are the ones he'll usually get. Those are my go-to actors no matter what movie you mentioned. Their late-life choices on movies have been interesting Pacino and De Niro in a race to make crud in their 80s.

For example, dad, who starred in Braveheart? I have no idea. Carl. De Niro. Such a different movie. Great segment, I'm telling you. Braveheart, how am I supposed to know that? They could never take our freedom. That was also gonna be De Niro in

What's That Gnawing on My Leg? Planet Earth.