The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Jaylen Brown Reaction: Let's All Laugh At The Boston Celtics | Local Hour

Episode Date: July 2, 2026

"IT'S ALWAYS F*** BOSTON. PAT RILEY RUNS THIS SHOW." HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. THE CELTICS TRADED JAYLEN BROWN TO THE PHILADELPHIA 76ERS FOR PAUL GEORGE AND 2 PICKS. HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA. PAUL GEORGE. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. THE CELTICS. HA! F*** BOSTON, FOREVER. Today's cast: Dan, Zaslow, Greg, Roy, Chris, Jeremy, and Mike. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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with more urgency, the dressing of Greg Cody or the placement of his son struggling with the lighting back there, trying to get our banner unfurled there so that we could, properly celebrate what is really unusual, which is the following. Do you know how big and dumb a

trade has to be to knock off that United States game in soccer played once every never? Once every never that game last night. You know how big and dumb a trade has to be to knock that out as the action on the sports news of the day because everyone's laughing at the Celtics today. It's so rare that you have a trade that everyone agrees with one side. I don't. hear any good arguments on behalf of what Boston just did from nobody. Like, do you know how rare it is to get the internet consensus on? We're simply going to laugh at the smart people who are doing something dumb. Because, yeah, Luca's, Luca's the comparison.

But how in the hell did we arrive at another Luca trade? This guy's not as good as Luca. And this is more about the team and the pieces than it is about the player. because in Lucas' case, it was just a surprise. This wasn't a surprise that he was traded. What was the surprise is what he was traded for, that they couldn't get more than that. And trust me, if they've chosen to have Jalen Brown guard Tatum

for the next five years in the Philadelphia Boston Games, it's because they didn't have a whole lot of other options. Like, to choose that one means that that was the best of really bad offers, which is confusing to me. because did the Boston Celtics just announced to everybody, hey, Jalen Brown's contract? That's a bad contract now. Is that what the Boston Celtics feel about their finals MVP who they gave $300 million two years ago?

I think as startling a thing that I've heard over the last 12 or so hours about this trade has been, and it came from Winters, I believe, that the Celtics didn't believe Jalen Brown had a good season. He finished sixth an MVP. The Celtics didn't believe he had a very good season. Yeah. I mean, he's not as good as Jason Tatum. We all agree on that, right? Not everyone.

Because Mike Ryan has been making forms of the argument that Tatum and Brown were playing at the end of those finals games, and Brown is the one that people were trusting. And Tatum is a champion, but Tatum has yet to show us, hey, he's going to at the end of games, do the stuff that Brunson does. That's not, at the end of close games, that's not a skill, a killer skill that Tatum has exhibited in whatever it is he's trying to be like Kobe. I think they're both overrated, but I think Jalen Brown's a guy that I fear more. I know what Jason Tatum's game is.

It's a lot like Kobe. He literally patterned his game after Kobe's, which is, you know, one of the greatest two guards of all time, no doubt. But also a guy that wasn't super efficient, a guy that will just chuck up shots for the hell of it because he wants to get those shots up, whereas Jaylen Brown has proven that you can win. in a title if he is your best player in an NBA finals series. Jalen Brown traded to the Philadelphia 76. It was four. Paul George, two first round picks, two second round picks. I can't believe that this is the best Boston could do. Let me begin right here. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it with a freaking passion. What is the NBA thinking? How does 35-year-old Kauai Leonard go for more?

How does Walker Kessler go for more? This was a salary dump or a contract dump or define it however you want. This is ridiculous. This is ridiculous. This is a ridiculous trade. Paul George is 36 years old and to save one year of money, I hate it. It was a money dump. That's all it was.

And the Celtics now today are worse than they were yesterday. Did Mike Ryan while he was taping morally abhorrent or while he was watching the United States win one of the biggest soccer matches in the history of this country stop for a moment and listen live to Boston Sports Radio last night just so he could slather all over his nipples everything that's happening right now in Boston where you will not find a single Boston folk, folk Boston, who agrees with. with this trade in that city? I hate it. I did Keynes Insight live. It's a Miami Hurricane show at 630 yesterday, or following Senegal Belgium, which was bonkers. Didn't talk Miami Hurricanes.

It was just all Jalen Brown. You got it. I mean, what is this trade? Dude, that is an offer that if I were a troll GM, I would have concocted just to waste Brad Stevens time. Dan, let me ask you something. if a team called up the Philadelphia 76ers and they said, we will take Paul George and that contract,

but we're giving you nothing in return, not a single thing. Would the Sixers have said yes? That's a great question. Because Paul George is supremely washed, okay? Cheated last year, got caught cheating, and then made the excuse that, or the explanation, or the explanation that he's dealing with mental stuff. So whatever we've previously described in a less tolerant and polite culture as a headcase in sports,

Paul George told you he got suspended because of reasons that he was taking care of his mind because he was feeling frail and also as a basketball player cannot be trusted anymore to play well. is not another version of Jalen Brown, is a washed, old, expensive, former Jalen Brown, ton of miles on the Paul George body, wherever it is that we talk about the Miami Heat getting Janice onto Ticompo and there being about 10 guys like that in the NBA, Paul George was one of them sort of almost with Indiana, a long time ago, ton of miles on that particular body and mind. But a couple of things I want to cover here because I find some things here genuinely confusing.

One of them being this, Boston Celtics management is not dumb. Okay? This is not the Dallas Mavericks management. This is a management with a track record, and this is a general manager who said to himself, I don't want to be the coach of this team. I want to be the boss of this team and was out ahead of everybody on the number. is a prodigy, is a boy wonder, is still someone I think of as young, Brad Stevens, because he came to us so young. That person just did something that's being universally panned.

And my question to the group here is, is everyone else right? Or does Brad Stevens think he knows something that no one else knows? Haberstro is the only one I saw. And Jeremy, I don't want to read from this article. numbers make people's head hurt, but leave the room, please, and go to the whiteboard and just crunch for us what it is that Haberstro is writing here. But one of the stats from Haberstro that would make me think that Brad Stevens thinks he knows something that no one else knows and makes Brad Stevens say, nah, next to Tatum, I can find a number two who's not that

expensive and cheap and isn't a top five pick. And I'll make Peyton Pritchard that because we, the Celtics, have a way, the way we're playing basketball, we'll find a cheaper, number two and he'll be efficient. But this number, the Celtics, when Jalen Brown did not play, 36 and 6 in the last three seasons. The Celtics must think that they know something to get that out of locker room, a finals MVP, as addition by subtraction, because that being the best offer for Jalen Brown, I'm not willing to believe that the league doesn't believe that Jalen Brown has any real value. Okay. Well, Boston was also pretty good without Jason Tatum most of this season, so I think you can counter that argument fairly easily. Look, what you're saying can absolutely be right. In fact,

I do not doubt that inside of Boston's front office, they have conviction that they're going to improve on their team. And they're going to survive this. And we may not see the full vision. Maybe they do something with the picks, whatever. They could internally subscribe to the analyst that had Jalen Brown as the seventh best player on their team. Well, that was Brad Stevens. But the fact remains, this is an all-MBA second-team player. And they could believe all those things. What is this return? Or lack thereof, I should say.

The trade is not a surprise. This is what makes it different from the Luca one, but the noise around it is similar in that I'm just stunned that the consensus is this is dumb. How can the Boston Celtics be so dumb is something that's echoing across the country in a way that just knocked that soccer victory because people are so sure. shocked, not by him being traded, because with Luke, it's just the shock of how do you trade that? That's not what happened here. What happened here is everyone is shocked by how he a return that is for a finals MVP. And is it possible? I will ask you guys again, is it possible that the Celtics

know something here about the future of basketball, the way they did three years ago when they game and just took 53s a game and won the championship where they're saying, no, Jalen Brown, that's a bad contract now. Yeah, but so you acquired what Bill Simmons dubbed the second worst contract in the league. They could be envisioning a future that has them at the forefront. What part of Paul George reminds you connotes future? What, what, it's a Paul George of this. They only got two picks. The plan cannot be Paul George. It simply cannot be, we are pairing Paul George with this guy. It has to be some other part of this vision? I think the Celtics were clearly delusional in what they believed they'd be able to do with

Jalen Brown. For one, we saw the return they just got yesterday. They thought they were going to get Janus for Jalen Brown. And instead they got Paul George and two likely crappy first round picks in a few years from now. That's number one. And number two, everything that we've been here. hearing about Jalen Brown and the market being light for him was clearly true.

It was clearly true. And I don't understand, you know, there's a point that's been made right over the last 12 hours where Jalen Brown did not ask for a trade. That keeps coming out. That's bullsemanics, okay? Because that's Brad Stevens can understand, he can know his team that, hey, we went all in for Janus, we came up short. The result is Jalen Brown is going to have to be moved because even though he hasn't asked for a trade,

I know the player, I know my team, I can't bring him back now. So that's a bullsemanic argument that he never actually requested a trade. Brad Stevens knew this was the point no return. We had to get rid of him. I don't think Brad Stevens got dumb overnight. I still trust him as a real brain in what he does. and if he determined that Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum just couldn't coexist for whatever reason and this is the best deal he could get, then I don't blame him for getting it.

Let's not act like two first-round picks is nothing. If he can flip that into another deal that actually makes them better, unlike Paul George, who, you know, Paul George five minutes ago, out of gone, is he still playing? You know, he's almost like totally spent. But, you know, it's a bad deal, yes. But if those two first-round picks turn into anything, all of a sudden the D-minus deal turns into a C-plus and everybody's going, all right, they had to get rid of them.

I hate it with a freaking passion. You started to say, let some things play out and then change your mind because the voices are so loud on the other side of this. And they're unified, okay? Mike, you have it wrong statistically, just empirically on the analytics. The Celtics are about, you know, we can go through the 100 possession. but when Tatum is on the court, they are always plus, and Brown is somebody three out of ten seasons who has not been. They're numbers.

When you talk about whoever it is around them, there are differences there that make for a gulf between what Tatum and Brown are beyond what your eyes are telling you just statistically and numerically. But whatever it is that people want to do with the analytics, the fact that the Celtics not only got this. little in a way that is stupefying, just strictly stupefying that they got this little for a finals MVP at 29 years old, who we all believe to be good, is one thing. Trading him to Philadelphia and making them interesting when they've got now Maxie and Embeded and Edgecom and their dynamic and now Brown is going to be guarding Tatum when he's been doing that for God knows how long in practice. The trading inside of the division suggests such a lack of options that Brian Winhorst, rather inexplicably to me, given the information I have,

is saying this trade, the Celtics did it under duress. And I'm like, what duress that duress can only be Jalen Brown? What other, what other duress is there that they had to accept this offer at this time, this far before the season, instead of going the next couple of months, seeing if you can get a better offer. You know, I mentioned how they thought they could have gotten the honest for him. Apparently, the conversation with Philadelphia started with, okay, if you're going to give us Paul George, you know, that contract, we also want VJ Edgecombe and four first round picks. VJ. Edgecombe and four first round picks.

I don't know what's going on in this league when McHale Bridges goes for five. Desmond Bain goes for four. Rudy Gobert goes for five and all of a sudden now the Celtics are telling me that they're telling everybody that Jalen Brown contract is a bad contract and given what the returns are, everyone in the league is telling you that they don't want that. Everyone in the league just told you don't want Jalen Brown at that price tag. Dan, I sat here yesterday because remember it was Brian Wintors was saying, hey, the Cavaliers, if they want LeBron, they got to make themselves a little bit more attractive? What if they trade for Jalen Brown? And that make them more attractive? And I sat here and said, there's no way the Celtics are going to trade Jalen Brown to a team

they have to potentially play in the playoffs. Now, granted, I said that about Cleveland, but they just lost to Philadelphia in the playoffs. And then they said, okay, you know what, now we're also going to give you Jalen Brown. Like, it's shocking that it was Philadelphia that they gave him to. It's one thing to sabotage your own team, right? It's one thing to fail. swing for Janus, not get them. But it's another thing entirely for your miss on Janus to directly improve your competition inside the East. And furthermore, the guy hanging over Dan's shoulder right now, Pat Riley deserves a lot of credit for making a trade that hurt because they didn't want to give up Yacan Chunis. They make the trade that hurts because Jalen Brown is included in this deal.

Not only do they keep Janice away from Boston, but Boston is now in a messy situation with Jalen Brown, has to trade him, gets less what everybody on the planet thinks he's worse. They improved both Philadelphia, a team that eliminated them just weeks ago and Miami. It is a disaster. It's one thing to miss out on improving your team. It's a totally different thing to do that simultaneously while improving your competition. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. You know what's interesting?

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Great Cody. Don't do it. This is the Dan Levitar show. If you were in such a negative position with Jalen Brown, in part likely because of your pursuit of Janus, I mean, also, mate, there were like. internal stuff. I mean, I'm sure people in the Celtics organization did not like the things. Jalen Brown said on Twitch 24

hours after they were eliminated by Philadelphia. So I'm sure it's a combination of things. But if you were in such a bad position knowing you were going to be in a bad position with Jalen Brown because you put his name out there in your very strong pursuit up until the very last minute for Janus Ante Cumpo, how do you say that Hugo Gonzalez

is just too much for us to give up when if we don't complete this trade, our team is going to implode and instead we'll just go take Paul George. Hold on a second. Just for a second, guys, we all know this. Yes, Brad Stevens not dumb, correct? We're in agreement that this is not a dumb person because everyone is reacting to this as if it's a dumb trade. And I want to take Zaz's question seriously because it's a good one. I do believe if the Philadelphia 76ers could have simply pressed a button and gotten rid of

George for nothing. They would have been fine doing that and just calling that experiment over. You can't now because the money and the salary cap have contaminated things so much today in today's game that you get into this position where if everything is equal around the money because of the salary cap, you have to find some creative ways to win in the margins by finding things that are efficiently valuable. And so I do believe that the Celtics think they're going to surprise us the same way that they surprised us this season when Tatum didn't play. I believe that the Celtics think they can do this with just about anybody that they pick. I believe that they believe that they're the spurs and the heat when it comes to now just

building players that are going to be useful and that they're trying to moneyball their way in basketball to we'll take our five guys and we'll make them good enough to win 50 games a season as long as we have Tatum healthy. I strongly agree. maybe Hugo turns into a superstar. Maybe Paul George even taps into healthy form. And they also signed Mitchell Robinson yesterday. That all those things can be 100% true,

and this return can still be puzzling. But it makes me think, though, that the way everyone in the sport is now doing the calculations is a little bit beyond where it is. We are in understanding salary cap machinations, because, Mike, it wasn't just Boston that told you that that contract's not worth what it's worth. It's everyone in the league who just told you that. And I thought that Jalen Brown was a player who, if you put him at the top of your team, you're making your team better. I don't, I hear what you're saying.

I just cannot fathom a world where you get the worst contract in the sport back and just two first round picks as being some sort of forward-thinking evolution of the sport. I don't, they could be just as good. They could win the NBA championship, the return for a second team all-MBA player in his prime that was a finals MVP was the worst contract in the sport and two first round picks for a team that you just made better that will be picking in the latter part of the first round. But answer this question, then why did the Celtics take it? Because I don't say, I think Brad Stevens is going to Michigan. This is puzzling. I don't know. I don't believe that it's because the Celtics are suddenly stupid. I believe it's because the Celtics are suddenly stupid. I believe it's because they were forced by everything that happened with the Janus trade and Jalen Brown's unhappiness under duress to make a trade to a league that knew that the Celtics did not have leverage.

And so this was just a super weird time to get what they must think is a poison out of their locker room. But now look what gets welcomed into the Philadelphia locker room by way of hello given that the Celtics were just somehow eliminated in the first round by Embedged 76ers. I mean, this is my personal opinion on basketball. Some of y'all might disagree. You know what I mean? But argue with your grandma. Flopping has ruined our game. Joel Embed is a great player.

One of the best bigs in basketball history. Flops. He'd know it. This ain't breaking news. It's ain't, you know what I mean? It is what it is. I can clip it up. Like I said,

y'all can post it on these paid accounts. counts that's all these bought whatever that's just my opinion jalen brown speaking of joel and bide after being eliminated by joel and b let's go out to jeremy in the other room to see if someone anyone can assemble an argument on behalf of why it is that the celtics did this what do you have jeremy yeah dan the the issue is the return right like when you think about the fact that jimmy butler when forcing his way out of miami was traded for a first round pick andrew wiggins davion mitchell and Kyle Anderson, which ultimately turned into an all-star guard in Norman Powell. This is two first-round picks in Paul George. But there are basically three pillars. Tom Habistro went through it in his Yahoo

sports article in a way that was really digestible. So the simple side. Without Brown, you mentioned it, 36 and 6 in the last three years when he doesn't play. If you look at a small sample size, singularly game 7 against Philadelphia, he was minus 16 in game 7 despite his 33 points he scored without him, they outscored the Sixers by seven points. And the bigger piece, he's had a negative on off for four straight seasons, including a career worst, negative 7.7 in 2023, 24. Now, that's right after he signed his $300 million contract. It also happens to coincide with the fact that that's the same season. He won finals MVP. If you look at the advanced numbers, though, look, Player efficiency rating, he's 11th in the league.

Box plus minus, he's 21st. But if you dive into some of the deeper numbers, estimated plus minus, he's 87th. That's about a borderline all-star level player with players like Zach Edie, Moses Moody, and Paul Reed ranked ahead of him in that statistic. This is where you get into the real nitty-gritty. Jeremiah's Engelman has a stat called XRAPM. Basically, it takes all the on-off stuff into account. He ranks him in the 60s.

second percentile, which is 180th in basketball for players who played at least a thousand minutes. That says 100, but it's supposed to be a thousand. And lastly, you mentioned salary, right? Where can you get efficiency from? Pritchard? You have a marker in your hand.

Why does it say 100 when it could say a thousand? Did you run out of room on the board? Is that what happened? Can you put another zero in there? Tiny zero? You're very good at the small writing. Thank you. You should put another zero in there.

So that you get that? There you go. Is that a zero? There's a space in between it. So hold on. We're going to make, yeah, it looks like a desk. It looks like a period. You put a period there.

You're going to now make Pritchard Brunson here because, Cody, before, hold on a second, Jeremy. Yep. Greg. Yeah. When he gives all of those numbers, people hate math in this context. They don't want to hear it. They don't want to talk about it.

When you see X, RAPM, are any of those numbers or analytics useful to you? No, my eyes glaze over. When I look at that whole board and everything, he said there's one stat that does matter a lot to me, and Brad Stevens knows it better than anybody, we were 36 and 6 without this guy. I'm smarter than everybody else. I think we can win without him. Tell me I'm wrong. Jeremy, we'll go back to the rest of that list in a second.

But the part that just really does give me pause on this is, you're going to tell me in the last three years that went? from an extension worth signing to a bad contract? Like, there weren't a whole lot of people complaining about Jalen Brown getting that kind of money beyond them saying that just the ridiculousness of the guys in the NBA who are paid the most. Some of them don't actually deserve it because it's such an insane amount of money. But that's happened in three years.

When you look at everything that's happening in America, when it comes to, you know, tech coming in, looking for efficiencies, and trying to streamline. everything in a way that takes its soul. That stuff has come to sports. Boston has been ahead of people, not behind them. They didn't fall so far behind that something is happening here that most people don't understand and no one seems to agree with, but they think they've got right.

Otherwise, they don't have to do it now. They've just done something that is being viewed as intergalactically dumb that they don't have to do now because, they think it's the right thing to do. It's not like they don't know that this is what the consequences of this was going to be. People are howling the way they have not howled since the Luca trade on this. Well, I think they did have to do it now because I think the situation was clearly untenable. Like, I think you have to kind of trust the organization that they have more information than we do about that. And I would expect, you know, the Jalen Brown's smear campaign

is likely going to start today where there's going to be leaks coming out. It already has. It already has, you've got Colin Cowherd saying, quote, I had two NBA sources, two people in the league, one an executive, one a scout, say that Jalen Brown has, it's a disease. He suddenly thinks he's the smartest guy in every room he's in. You make a lot of money. Suddenly, you're absolutely sure. You don't want to listen to your bosses. You don't want to listen to consultants. You don't want to listen to teammates. This is something that is starting today, and the Celtics will now try to defend their position by leaking a bunch of stuff anonymously. The reporting the next couple of days is if Jalen Brown thought ESPN was an unethical network before, wait till you

see what the anonymous reporting is going to produce the next couple of days. But I disagree with you saying that the Celtics must think that they know something or they're ahead of the curve with what the future looks like in the NBA. Clearly the rest of the league is there with the Celtics. Otherwise, they would have gotten a much bigger return. The fact that they only got this, doesn't that mean that the rest of the league agrees we don't value this player? It's an excellent point, says.

And again, they could win the NBA championship. And this could still be a bad move because the value that they got in return for a prime, second team, all-NBA, finals MVP leaves so much to be desired. This is ridiculous. Jeremy, finish what it is that you were telling us there about Peyton Pritchard being Jalen Brunson? Yeah, I mean, look, is that the argument I'm going to make absolutely? not, but this is what the Celtics might be thinking. You see a guy when Brown wasn't on the floor

this year who averaged 25.7 assists, five rebounds on 51% shooting, 44% from three. The team was 8 and 2 in the games he played on his own. He had a 58% effective field goal percentage in isolation this year, so essentially a guy using his quickness in isolation. That was second amongst the 63 players with at least 100 isolation plays this season. And over the next two years, he makes $7.8 and $8.3 million, respectively, lining up with the massive number that Paul George has over the next two years. But Jalen Brown has one extra year on that deal and is due another extension that's going to put him up at about $70 million in the years after that. This is Clearly an example of the Celtics not wanting to pay that extension, but this is a guy who was a 10-year-long,

homegrown first-round pick who won finals MVP to give that up for Paul George and two first-round picks, no matter the analytical argument, the assolitical argument that Eudonis Haslam coined, it just doesn't make any sense. I hate it with a freaking passion. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. You know what's interesting? We spend a lot of time reading reviews before, well, you know, buy a new TV, pick a restaurant. But when it comes to taking care of ourselves, we don't always do the same thing.

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where everything just sort of clicks? I know it well. It's usually when I show up. Everybody goes crazy. Yeah, you usually take all the credit for it, but it's because Tony usually walks in with Quervo. I'm walking like this.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Quervo is a thing that turns hanging out into this is the night. It has that effect on people. It does. You usually take the credit for it. But again, it's the Quervo effect.

It's like that moment in a big game where everyone in the crowd just starts standing up, hooting and hollering. Keep it quervo. Keep it quervo, baby. Dan Levitar. Baker Mayfield tearing up Tampa Bay, 38 for 45. Great Cody.

Shredum! This is the Dan LeBatar show. I want to ask you guys a little bit about the times that we're in, okay? Because Jalen Brown is growing up in a time where his adult years are big. basically the years of the internet. And this is, by any reasonable standard in my lifetime covering sports, somebody whose behavior in almost every way would make him an exemplary figure for athlete who's about the correct things and not smartest guy in every room, just smart.

And while you might not like some of the things that a proud, opinionated black man has to say, this particular one at any time in my lifetime before social media would have been an exemplary role model who is now going to get dragged by the Times, the New York Times anonymously, all of the times that we live in that are going to make Jalen Brown a bad person, when that person has never in my lifetime as an athlete been, a bad person. He's about to get smeared. He's about to get into a fighting posture with the internet because they are going to desecrate somebody who has against all odds climbed to the top of a very competitive food chain. It's fascinating to watch because he's had no real issues.

The real issues would just be whatever happens in the locker room where there's ego and whatever happens to the people growing up in this age because they think the internet is real and the unhappy and sad and people on the internet who are just looking for a laugh are now making him less than when he's got no context under which he can be less than except the one what we've put him in it's it is really crazy to see this person a role model by almost any definition in sport is now about to get dragged even worse than he's been drag I mean, Pat, like, if I, if you knew this was going to be the end result, I would have said throwing three more picks. Can we come up with a hypothetical trade that's funnier than this?

Damn, they didn't get a good return and they made the teams in their conference that much better. Imagine if the broad is up here. They know they're going to get honest for this guy. got Janus. That's right. The heat got Yonis. We broke them. Always F Boston. Pat Riley runs this show and how about the way that this summer could possibly, I'm not going to say short thing, because I can't predict the future. But how about this summer possibly ending with the heat adding LeBron to Janus? And the Boston Celtics implode. That's right. Oh, and by the way, the Heat and Pat Riley also took the Celtics cookies at the draft last week. Let's not forget about that.

the Celtics wanted Ryan Conwell number 40. You know about the Ryan Conwell? The heat were number 41 and the heat said, oh, that's the guy you want. Well, let me make a trade in front of you. I'm going to take him. How about that, player? I hate it. Okay.

While I find all of this funny, I do believe that the Celtics healthy are going to figure out a way to win 50 games. And also, this part has been really confusing to me to see just all of the changes in basketball. So it wasn't that long ago that the Celtics were down 3-0 in a series against the heat, and I thought Joe Missoula was going to get fired at the start of his career. And I was asking people up to and including after they won the championship, is Missoula a good coach? Because they had sort of gamed the way that they were doing things to play 53s a game, and they had two top five picks, and that's how they played.

played and they were ahead of everybody. And now we're laughing at them and they're behind everybody and they've made Philadelphia interesting. And I'd be just curious here. Can you look at Draft King's betting odds? What are the betting odds between draft king sports between the Celtics and the Sixers? How much did those odds change with simply this trade? Because the Sixers already, they feel like the Sexers today, the Sixers already, the Sixers

already beat the Celtics in the last playoffs when they had Joel Embed healthy almost, kind of, for a few games. They basically beat the Celtics with the only seven games of health in Joel and Bede's last three or four years of career because he was just healthy enough to beat them in seven games. Game seven on the road, once Tatum got hurt and they were playing with only Jalen Brown at the top of their roster. So I'm on the Drafking Sports app, now available in all 50 states.

And I know from yesterday, the Miami Heat's price has gone down because I locked in Miami Heat NBA champions. You moved the market? Well, I think a lot of people are anticipating. And also maybe last night's developments also has something to do with this because the market price on the Miami Heat

to win the NBA title is plus 809. Dan, I can assure you that Boston was ahead of Philadelphia in the NBA championship field. futures odds, right? They are now below Philadelphia. The market price on Boston to win the NBA title is now 1329. That is plus 1329. Philadelphia is roughly at plus 1,000. With this trade, they have improved the championship odds of Philadelphia and Miami. I hate it. You know what else have improved? They've improved the odds that the Sixers might now be in play for LeBron James. I'm just saying it.

I hate it. Why are you just saying it? Because... It was not worth saying. It was. It was. I saw it reported yesterday. Greg, Greg, yeah.

The report yesterday was that LeBron was willing to take the minimum, which obviously expands the likelihood of him going to some of the teams that aren't talked about because they didn't have the cap room. So what Greg is saying cannot be discounted if we are to believe the leading insider in the sport. I'm going to discount it too. I don't believe the leading insiders in the sport that. their information from agents and these agents have incentives to make it seem like all options are open for LeBron because once all options are open for LeBron, you end up increasing the offer

of the people who actually want you. Everything is in play right now and that information is being disseminated by LeBron's camp on what he does or doesn't want because it's the only camp that actually knows what he does or doesn't want. These information people are. are compromised and it doesn't hurt them at all the insiders to take the information of. LeBron will play anywhere for any amount because it just opens up the pool of competitors and you need the pool opened up of competitors and there aren't that many who can actually afford the maximums. So just say he's liable to go anywhere.

That's nonsense. He's not playing anywhere for the minimum. Like, I don't know anything and I'm reporting that that's bullshit. But I think he's literally not playing anywhere for. the minimum. Like can't we say the same thing there where, okay, they're saying that LeBron he's willing to play for the minimum and that means that there's going to be a team out there and says, okay, if he's going to play anywhere for the minimum, we're actually going to pay you a lot of money. Wait a minute. This doesn't even make sense. The last, since 2014, after

LeBron took the initial discount, him and his people told anybody who would listen publicly or privately, never again. We are never again taking any kind of discount for. anybody. Maybe that's changed, but for a decade, they've been very consistent, publicly and privately saying we will never make that mistake again of taking less money. We won't do it for our union. We won't do it for anybody. We're not taking discounts around here anymore. And now the anonymous reporting, it's not LeBron saying it. You don't hear it out of LeBron's mouth. The anonymous reporting, incentivized, biased, meant to negotiate, the anonymous reporting is all of a sudden, never mind about what we've been saying publicly and privately for 10 years,

all of a sudden now, LeBron is willing to come to your city for $45 million less than his actual worth and play for the same amount as some veteran bum minimum. No chance. Is it fair to say, though, that that stance was 16 years ago and nobody could fathom LeBron playing to this age? I mean, it is an important data point to consider. But they were recently saying just all the reporting was from the Lakers, they weren't taking anything less than the maximum from the Lakers.

Like, that was just all the recent reporting a month ago. Right, but you can't on one end say that it's posturing to say he's willing to take the minimum and discount that that is also posturing, that he's only going to take the maximum. Like, these are all games that are playing. Yeah, but the maximum is something that they've been on for 10 years and then all of the contracts that they sign have no discounts in them. I'm not telling you what to think. I'm just asking you if you'd like to.

I mean, obviously he's not going to take the minimum, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't take less than his maximum offer if he thought were for a better situation. Those are different things, though. You're talking, look, I've made the argument before. If I were him, I would absolutely choose the place where my friends are, and I think I have the best chance to win a championship, because you will make your money many, many times over in however it is you want to make that money with whatever it is that you want to do on the side, with advertisements and anything else. But that hasn't been the way he and his camp have been doing business.

Again, I'm going to keep saying it publicly or privately. It's not just the posturing in public. It's the way that these folks have been talking in private. That's not, LeBron to the Sixers, I don't believe is a real thing because I don't believe LeBron at the minimum is a real thing. Chris Cody, how are you feeling, right now. You hurt yourself by putting up the banner, you drop the

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