The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Kevin Harlan Is As Good As Anyone In Football | Hour 2

Episode Date: September 23, 2026

"I'm sure people think I've probably sharted before." Kevin Harlan may very well be the greatest ever to do it, and baby... he's not done. Kevin tells us about how he fell in love with broadcasting, the way he speaks at home vs. on the broadcast, why Dan loves his radio calls even more than TV, why he grades himself, and how he was hotboxed on his latest call. Also, Kevin commits to bringing one of Greg Cote's catchphrases to his broadcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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He does not come to us from an office. Of course, he comes to us from a study. This is exactly where it is that Kevin Harlan should join us from. More than 40 years, NFL, NBA, as good a play-by-play guy as there is. enthusiasm unmatched, the NFL voice for Westwood One's Monday night football coverage. Kevin, I'd like to thank you for being on the show, and I'd also like to try something here with you off the top. I wonder if you could just tell us how you would ask somebody in the house to go get you coffee in your normal voice and then do it the way that you would do it on Westwood One.

I don't know what your normal voice sounds like, really. Well, my wife is in the next room here. I go, honey, would you mind getting me a piece of meatloaf? And, you know, maybe it'd be like that or around the grandkids. But if I were in the booth and Kurt Warner was over there by the buffet table, I'd say, come on, Warner, give me some meatloaf. You know, we could go back and forth. Isn't it amazing that I've been able to hold on to a job that you said 40 years?

I hadn't really thought about that to hold on to a job like that with all the, looking at that clip, you think that guy should not be broadcasting a game. you should be in some kind of institution of some sort because clearly there's a problem. But when you do a game, you kind of lose yourself in the game. And since these things, since my employers, have decided this is a good idea at CBS and at Westwood One and before at TNT and now at Amazon,

I didn't really know what I looked like. And I can only imagine over those 39 previous years how they probably thought he's either nuts or like, you know, we need a boost. And so I always, I cringe when I see these things pop up. My companies know I don't like them, but that's kind of the world we're in right now, so I don't have much of a choice. I was going to ask you if you liked watching yourself there, if it made you self-conscious, yeah.

Do you? Do you like watching yourself? Well, no, no, I can't, I can't do it. But your enthusiasm there is so infectious. Like, how is it that you're looking at that and saying, I don't like how I look there when you're meeting the moment and after 40 years, you're still meeting the moment. Like that enthusiasm is not rehearsed. It's not practiced.

You're losing yourself. It's one of the reasons you're so great because you match the enthusiasm of the customer. Well, I appreciate words coming from you. That means a lot. I know you and Jonathan and Greg all feel kind of the same way in that when you're doing it, we're writing a story, doing the show. producing the show, whatever it might be, as you're going through it, you kind of lose yourself in the broadcast. And I think if you're distracted or you're worried about the camera, which I never

even think about it being there, but if you go through all those different things, you probably lose the essence of why you're trying to do what you're trying to do. So you're so into the game, you're not thinking about how you look when you're doing the game. But now that I see when they post these things up there how I look, I'm embarrassed. But I can't change now at this stage. I mean, it's kind of what I'm doing. But if I were a younger man, maybe starting out, I'd probably think of a way to tone it down. I am a fan like the three of you are. We wouldn't get into the business if we weren't fans of sports and the people to play them and the people that coach them. And I guess I'm kind of lost in that in that world and schemes

and substitutions and why they're doing it and why they're not succeeding or are succeeding. So it's been a great business, a great life, but this is one of the speed bumps, I guess I'm going to have to deal with here for a while until I decide to stop doing. Do you have to do anything to protect your voice, and do you have any actual nightmares about losing it? Well, I've lost it before, not often, but yeah, I do because in broadcasting, especially play-by-play, it is such the instrument. You know, it's like an opera singer, it's like an actor-actress on stage singing.

There needs to be a process, whether it's waking up in the morning and doing some things or making sure you're well hydrated and you can get into the weeds on this stuff. But yeah, no, I worry about it a lot. And I have found that your delivery and your voice can give you confidence. So if I wake up some morning, a great example was just the game in LA a couple nights ago with the Giants and the Rams. I had done a game the day before in Houston for CBS, and I usually find that that lends itself to the next day having a strong voice in delivery. And I gain a lot of confidence in my own personal broadcasting by knowing that my voice is fine so I can check that box and now worried about the other subsequent things that I need to do, if the voice is an issue because of cold or allergy

or whatever you're dealing with, or just hoarse and just sore and tired, it does begin to kind of mix with your mind because now you've got to bring it back, you've got to conserve it, you've got to wait for those big moments as opposed to just kind of coming out of the gate and ready to go and letting it rip. So, no, I think about it a lot. And I think the older you get, the longer you're in it, you learn some ways to kind of, to navigate it and hydration is one and not trying to clear your voice is another because that, I mean, like I said, I can get into the weeds, but yeah, the voice, the delivery to me is a pretty important factor.

Kevin, it's certainly not an issue when you're calling football games your way up in the booth, but when you're doing basketball and you're right on the floor, are you ever self-conscious that the players or coaches will hear you and have they ever heard you? Well, they have. Sometimes I do it on purpose. Charles Barkley was inbounding a ball one time when I was doing the Minnesota Timberwolves and was right in front of me and I was doing radio. And the ball was wet and so they had to wipe it off.

So Barclay was just standing there, hands on hips. And I knew he could hear me because literally I could go out and grab his jersey if I had to. And I had I said, and the 76ers are going to inbound the ball. And then I go, Tom, I don't care what anybody. says, I don't think Barclay is a heavyset player. He doesn't need to lose weight. Keep him the way he is. I love his body and the way he plays. And I said it loud enough that he could hear it. And he turned around and started giggling before they gave him the ball back. And then he had a hard time inbounding the ball because he was laughing. So there are moments like that. But you know,

it's funny, Jonathan. I think about, well, I like that on the basketball floor. And I bet to a degree I probably am, but for whatever reason, I don't think it's really come out quite as animated. On radio, you're trying to push these words out and they're important words because they paint the picture for the listener. And so maybe because it's on TV, I'm back a little bit, you know, and know that the picture says so much, I don't need to emphasize and shove a word out there to help. conjure up what's going on. On radio, you've got to. So I guess I feel like that's kind of part of the difference between radio and TV. So, Kevin, you're 13 years old in your bedroom in Green Bay,

turning down the sound on a game and using your voice to do play by play. Who were you imitating then, if anybody? Like, who were the broadcasters of the day whose voice or persona you admired. Well, Greg, first of all, I've been a big fan for many decades, have read you forever, as long as I've been in the business. And I am definitely thinking about your great career and appreciate that. And I'm sure there were Edwin Pope or whoever it might have been, you know, the people that you followed when you were a younger writer. And so for me, the first voice that I remember was John Fascenda narrating for NFL films. Now hit it, Roy. Super Bowl 1.

And that was probably the first voice that I really remember was the voice of Fisenda. Don Cricky, Jim Simpson, Summerall, Ray Scott, those kinds of people. That really kind of guided me and got me into the world of broadcast. Before I ask you an assortment of other questions about what's going on in football right now, I have a couple of follow-ups to something you were saying. A lot of hydration mean you're often going to the bathroom, or are you often are calling big moments having to go to the bathroom? Well, I wake up in the morning, like in Houston this past week,

and we had to be in the booth by about nine for a noon kickoff central. So when I woke up about six, I quickly down two bottles of water. And then before I leave for the stadium, which at that time was about 8.40 in the morning, I'd probably gone to the bathroom a couple times yet, But by game time, I'm in pretty good shape, and then I'll just kind of sip a bottle during the game. But there are probably people my age that would have to go more frequently. Luckily, I'm not in that world yet. So you've never urinated yourself during a big moment because you missed time.

Some of this fourth quarter got tight. There weren't any breaks, and all of a sudden Kevin Harlan is pissing himself. Well, I'm sure people think I probably sharded before it, you know, with some of these balls. Yeah. But no, luckily, I'm not going to put that, nor the other thing you said. Are you better, just to follow up on a couple of other things. Are you saying that you're better at radio than you are at television? Because I love you on the radio.

You're great on television, but there's something about hearing you on Westwood One that is totally transporting. Well, thank you. I would say that radio is a more intimate medium, and it's play-by-play-driven because it's your reporting. it's your cadence, it's your inflection, it's your pacing, like it's all these things, and coming up with the right words to describe what's going on. TV, a play-by-play guy, is probably fourth. It's the picture. It's the analyst.

It's the graphics and the replays and all the great technology that is used. And then it's the play-by-play guy who's almost paraphrasing or accenting the picture. So you're accenting a graphic that comes up and you can see what the dolphins have done on third down or they'll show a picture of the coach. You don't have to necessarily say his name. You can say in his third year now coaching, whatever. So it's a different kind of thing. And I went into the business, as we all did.

Dan, you know, Greg, I'm going to be a writer. I want to write. I love journalism. And now it's dovetailed into what you're doing now in addition to the writing. And so I guess when I got in, I was captivated by going to bed at night and listen to Buck and strength. or Lindsay Nelson doing Monday night football on Mutual and then CBS Radio and able to, you know, put a 10, 11, 12 year old kid to bed listening to games and the way they would describe it.

And, you know, radio guys today are a lot different because our kids are coming out of journalism school and they don't have the, and I'm not saying this is wrong, it's just the way the world is. most of them are doing TV, they're doing calls for the internet TV feed, and they're not doing radio. So the voices aren't as distinctive as they were with the Lindsay Nelson, Don Cricky, Ray Scott era, and some of the Scullies and all these other people. And now it's a different kind of cadence. And so I've really kind of married into the theater of the mind and that challenge of coming up with the right words and the right inflection. I love that challenge.

Not the TV's easier. It's just different. And there's a great skill involved there. And I go back and watch or listen to every game that I do. And I'm constantly grading. And I got this grading sheet that I've come with over the years and notes underneath it. And last night, flying back from our NBA meetings in Los Angeles, was watching my game Tuesday and grading myself and going back.

and there's a thousand things I'd like to do different. But I know that if I don't enjoy that challenge of being better, and it is a weekly challenge to get better, and I take nothing for granted, I'll know that it's probably time to step away because the job requires such attention to detail in doing it the right way and being cognizant of all the different things that have got to go right to bring that broadcast together.

and what is my role and how am I doing it? And, you know, just all these things that run through my mind. But that keeps me on track. And so I use that system. I love both. Radio I began and TV just kind of happened. I love the challenges of both. AI isn't something that's coming five or ten years from now.

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This is the Dan Levitator show. Kevin, upon watching the replay of the Jaden Daniels injury this weekend, Tom Brady blurted out on live television. Oh, shh. Have you ever had a visceral reaction like that that you couldn't control live on the air? Did you see how careful he was just about repeating me using the word for urination. Let's play that sound here for Kevin Harlan. Oh, shit. Oh, no.

Yeah. Well, I think one of the great things about these guys that have just come off the field and are still, their mind might be on the field or in the locker room and at practice, is that those are honest, you know, things. And clearly, he feels something for quarterbacks. And I know he's a fan of Daniels. And that probably was the thought of millions and millions of us who saw it. I knew it was coming and I had to look away and, and, you know, he's in the moment and so you've got to do it. I had Gordon Hayward who broke an ankle for the Boston Selings at the opening night a couple years ago in Cleveland. And I was right there, saw it, heard it, and then you could feel it with the players on the floor, people looking away.

So there have been moments like that. And no, that's what you want to say. You want to say something like that. And so I personally have nothing to say, but I do know I've got grandchildren. And I know my seven-year-old is probably watching that, hearing it, and thinking, I don't know if it, but, you know, I mean, in everyday life, they hear

parents stubbed toe and go, God, you know, like, you know, like, it'll just, so it happens and it gets out and it becomes more the way social media is, you see and hear more of it. So it's kind of a part of the world now, but, but, you know, Brady was just saying what we were all feeling.

Like, God, like how again does this kid go through that? And to look at it is so gruesome. So I have no problem with it. And I watch Game Day. And, you know, those S-bombs are flying pretty frequently. And so it's creeping back in. I'm not sure how the FCC is going to deal with it, but it is creeping back more and more on these shows.

And even on McAfee show, they've got to say, you know, it's not for the light of heart. and if you're of a certain age, you've got to ask permission to watch. So it's out there, and it's going to slip. It's just the way the world is, especially in sports. Oh, excuse me. Kevin, I am impressed. I hadn't heard it before.

You hadn't heard it. You just heard about it? You hadn't actually heard it? I had read about it. I had heard about it, and I'm hearing it. But we're all right. We're all thinking it and thinking a worse word probably too. Like, wow.

Oh, shit. Oh, no. Kevin, I'm a... Doug Collins, Doug Collins would always say to me, I'm sorry, Greg, Doug Collins would always say to me, he goes, he goes, Coach, he goes, Coach, he goes, Coach, you know what we need to do, like have a game on HBO, like where you can say everything, and just let me and then we'd be driving back after a game in the car, just me, Doug and I and our, whatever, and we'd start letting it go for about three or four seconds,

you know, oh, fuck, how in the... Like this, like I just let it and letting it go, which would be kind of fun. Can we do that? An uncensored podcast. Can we play for him at the end of this, some sort of highlight that's allowed so that he could give us that broadcaster? Dirty Kevin Harlan speaking freely on the air, just doing play-by-play cursing? What did you want to ask, Greg? Kevin, you analyze and meticulously grade all of your broadcasts?

That's incredible. And I wonder, what's the closest you've had to a perfect game? Never had a perfect game, but I like the challenge of going for that perfection, kind of in the words of Lombardi, going back decades. And I think that's what kind of keeps all of us in the game. Perfect column, perfect show, whatever it might be. I think we're always because we love the business, and I do, I know all three of you have been longtime people in this.

So we love the business, and it's changing so much. and if I don't go back and correct myself, I found that getting criticism or hints from others, sometimes they're looking at it from a completely different lens. And so I've kind of learned to trust myself, not that I've got all the answers, and I clearly do not, but it is a way for me to kind of lower the downside of the broadcast.

And I mean, they're just basic tenets that a play-by-play guy's got to have. And you're looking for guidance, and a way not to do it is to get on social media. I'm not a social media person. We've got three daughters, and they'll let me know if something's good or bad or something's being said.

But I go back and watch and try to figure out, all right, from his, and I let a day or two go by, because if it's too fresh in the mind, like I always admire these coaches that go back on the charters after these games and they quickly got the game film out as opposed to getting a good night's sleep, which they don't get, and looking at it maybe with a fresh pair of eyes and a clearer mind the

next morning where they can let some of the clutter go away and you wake up and you look at it in a different point of view, maybe more realistic view. But I am sometimes like I'll watch or listen and I can't believe like I was so dumb in saying something or I didn't recognize something or I didn't follow up on something the analyst said. But that's what keeps me going but also keeps me sharp.

There are so many great young broadcasters coming up. And I probably have, I mean, by the grace of God, maybe 10 more years left of being in a prominent role. And I don't want to waste that. And I don't want to end, I don't want it to end badly.

Look at that. Harlan going for 50. Harlan just told you right now he's going for 50 and he also told you Noah Eagle He sees all you little whippersnappers barking around and you may have heard the undercurrent of how he was talking and he said some of these things sound the same now He's talking to you young people you young people who have learned from this giant and sculpted and borrowed from his skill set I want to go back and circle back around on something you said even though you don't want to go into the weeds on some of this stuff Greg, tell me if I have anything wrong here. It felt to me you're someone who will listen to your podcast three and four times a week,

but you're not doing it to improve. You just love the sound of your own voice. Like, you seem to be marveling at the fact that Harlan would care that way after all of these years. I am genuinely impressed that he meticulously analyzes and self-grades himself. You're just a narcissist, and he's afraid of Noah Eagle. He told you? Because everyone is. That little demon child, that little demon child prodigy,

all of these guys are noticing that he's borrowed from all of them, and he's a bit of a puppet string master. He works hard. I want to get into the weeds, though, on something we were talking about, and I mean this really, honestly, is no disparagement of Troy Aikman, when I say that I believe Joe Buck to be the best in the business at the televising of that because of how hard it is to be graceful, slaloming through all those ads and all the times without ever a hiccup.

And I also believe, and I swear I'm not making this disparagement of achement, that if anyone had sat next to Joe Buck for the last 25 years with 25 years of reps, that he would have made that person a really special color commentator. Can you walk us through whether I'm right or wrong as you watch the craftsmanship of how some of this is done? You really know the insides and you know what a helpful and unselfish play-by-playman can do to prop up the Hall of Famer next to him. they're listening. You know, Buck is, he's like his dad. And, and you guys knew his dad, and his dad

had that wit in that he was very sharp, and he was clever. And he was, you know, in addition to having a terrific voice and the cadence and the call and all those things. But Joe got all those traits, and then he's added to that. You know, Joe's masterful of that. He's a great listener. Michael's is a great listener. I mean, there are, and that is on TV in particular, something that you need to be able to do because in one sense it is part conversation, but the other part of it is there's got to be a formality and a framework for the broadcast, down-and-distance tackler, who got the ball, you know, what's coming up, looking ahead. And Doug Collins, I'm going to Doug here for a second time, who's probably the best, I mean,

I've worked with some incredible people, but Doug was really into the broadcast part of the NBA. and really studied so many things so hard. And he got this from Dick Ebersoll and said that, you know, the conversations are so important and how to manage those during a game while not losing side of the game are huge. And the storytelling that's involved. The difference now between TV and TV 30, 40 years ago, is we do have more commercial breaks.

we've got far more replays and technical, gee whiz things that happen, that that takes a lot of that conversational stuff out of it because the truck has got, you know, they're loaded to go, yet, you know, the thing that maybe we remember from Gaudi and Aldi Rodriguez or Madden and Summerall is that we were kind of limited back in the day, and so that made those spaces between plays, you know, a chance for conversation. And the technology, has just been so fast and furious that you've got kind of, now you are, and Joe is a great example of this, you've got to navigate the reads, the promos, the graphics, the analytics that are shown up there, the short, you know, now we have sped up offenses, so there's not as much time,

and guys have got a quicker pace on the field, and they're keeping the game moving. So it's not like it was, and people say, I remember back in the day, well, yeah, there weren't as many commercials, there weren't as many promos, there weren't as many graphics, there weren't as many analytical things to put up, there are many replays. Now we're getting the replay for one three-yard game from 15 different angles, and that's consuming what was a place for conversation. And so navigating that is now kind of an art. And so you're sometimes, and the other thing is with fantasy players and people that know so much about their teams and are reading these things online and in their papers, listening to shows.

You know, they know that the fan is so much more well-informed that you've got to make sure that you've got the X's and O's, and if there's a change at right guard, the fans want to know it. And the day, there'd be changes all over the line and different sub-packages coming in, and they would gloss right over them and wouldn't even really talk about them. But now, because everybody is into, you know, they know so much about their team and the,

analytics that follow that team, like you've got to be on top of that. So the days of good conversation and space in a broadcast are harder to find because there's so much now that's required in a modern day play-by-play sense and just with getting the truck and all the things they can offer and make the viewing experience, you know, probably better. So, you know, there's a sacrifice here to move it ahead. Tony, you know that moment at a party or at tailgate where everything just sort of clicks. I know it well. It's usually when I show up, everybody goes crazy. Yeah, you usually take all the credit for it, but it's because Tony usually walks in with Querevo. Walking like this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Quervo is a thing that turns hanging out into this is the night. It has that

effect on people. It does. You usually take the credit for it. But again, it's the Quervo effect. It's like that moment in a big game where everyone in the crowd just starts standing up, hooting and hollering. Keep it quervo. Keep it quervo, baby. Ah, folks, listen up. You wouldn't want an offense alignment to play wide receiver, would you? No, you wouldn't. You need the right person. You need the right equipment for the job.

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Mr. Harlan, I would love to ask you about your most recent viral moment. You got hotboxed in Los Angeles. And it came across in the broadcast. So I'll let you respond to the audio that we have. Here it goes. If I continue to smell what I'm smelling. from the crowd. I'm going to be hunting some scotcharoos later in this broadcast. Amonchi?

I mean, like, we need ventilation for this call is going to get a little distorted here in the final stages of this game. People sometimes think you're distorted anyway. Yeah, I know they do. I know they do. I have no idea why. They have no idea. He scooted right there. He scatabooed for eight. It'll be second down in two. Gadaboo? Yeah, I'm just kind of like Scotchoo's. I'm doing it's the, it's cataboos and Scotcheroos.

Yeah. We got it all. Oh, look at him. He's got the giggles. He's got the munchy. Harlan, where you high? No, I want to not high. Can you believe like they keep hiring me for the like high?

There's going to be a day. They're going to come and go, you're an idiot. Adios, you know, thank you. But don't let the door. door hit you as you're walking out. I mean, the game was in hand, and it was over at the time. And Kurt O.E., Kurt Warner, who I was working with, but no, you could smell it clearly. I mean, it's amazing that, and I know I wasn't, because Kurt had said something off the air beforehand, and then it came, you know, sifting into our booth.

You were clearly high, Harlan. We can hear you with the giggles. You're denying it now publicly. People digger up high even when I'm not high. Okay, but you seemed even more high. On your way out here, can you take our show out? on a high. Can you please take one of Greg Cody's catchphrases and tell us whether or not any of these catchphrases are something you could somehow squeeze into your calls at any point this weekend. Well, I'm going to be in Miami this weekend, so this is perfect. This is very apropos. So we can give me something to say and we'll get it in. All right. Let's see what your nominees are. These are, he's got the top 75 catchphrases. We have not heard yet. Number one,

what are you going to offer Kevin Harlan? All right, I've got four, Kevin, here for you. The first one, you got to eat a peck of dirt before you die. Number two, driver comfort is paramount. Number three, your brain beating me. And number four, I'm busier in a one-arm paper hanger. Okay, what was that second one about driving? Driver comfort is paramount.

There we go. That's in. Driver comfort is paramount. It'll mix well with CBS because they're owned by Paramount. Oh, oh. Amazing. And then we can talk about a quarterback is driving an offense. I like it.

We'll figure it out. And we got the Chiefs in Miami this Sunday, and that driver comfort is, that's in. I'm going to get it in. But it's just our secret, White, the four of us. Yes, nobody will know except us. Yes, yes, yes. We'll keep it.

No, no one. We don't want to get the NFL or anybody upset. here. So, no, no, we don't want that. We don't want that. So no, I'll get this in. And I'll think of you, Greg, when I, when I say it. Thank you. Throw me a little shout out on the air for my own. No, no, no. No, no, you don't have to be an ass-a-h about this. You already. I'm ready. I'm just kidding. He's doing you a favor already. He knows I'm kidding. You weren't kidding. You know I'm selfish. You're just, like, you can't help yourself. You can't help yourself. So here, I want to play some video for you here. The Friday crew has been playing this at my expense. It

was in high school, or I was actually, it was in high school, it was the high school sports show that I did for the Miami Herald. Claire Suea is an Olympian. I wasn't expecting a change up here. Can we get Kevin Harlan to do some play-by-play here real quick, dirty Kevin Harlan of what happened? You're not going to do dirty Kevin Harlan on what it is that happens. Do you know how closely my bosses watch this stuff? Like, they're going to be all over this. I can't. I got a family to feed. Wren showed him to help. I got mortgage payments.

I just bought a truck. Like, I got all this stuff. I got to make sure. Dan, you did this? Yes. Yes, she threw me a change up after throwing me two fastballs. I didn't know she had that in her arsenal. And I fell down the third base line.

Tumbling backwards in a cloud of smoke. There goes Levitart again. Get up in the box and swing it. Thank you, Kevin Harlan. I delight. It is lovely hearing your voice. Thank you for being on with us. Real privilege.

Thank you guys. Have a great day. Chris, why are you throwing your head back and laughing? Because that guy's the best. He's great. And I know you were doing the Joe Buck thing. Like that for me is the best right there. Well, he certainly can do the most, right?

Because Harlan can do the most. But I'm talking, and Joe Buck can do baseball. I think baseball, he's better at baseball than he is at football. I know a lot of people don't like Joe Buck. They think he's polarizing for whatever reason or they think that he's milk. Everyone likes Kevin Harlan. I just think the range of that getting high thing, I don't think Joe Buck does that as well as Harley. Joe Buck is obviously great at calling the games, but I think when a cat goes on the field, I think Harlan has the range to do everything.

Harlan's the only play-by-play guy that makes me laugh every broadcast because of his enthusiasm, because of something that he says, because his chemistry with whoever he's doing it. He's just the best. He's my favorite of all time. I'm not just saying that. I would have said that to him if I was just trying to earn points. You got nervous? No, no, he's just the best. He's my favorite of all time.

He's a professor of his craft. I gained so much knowledge and perspective. Listening to him describe what he does and how he does it, I found that fascinating. Well, one of the things that we talked about recently is, and I find this part fascinating. Almost everyone throughout human history who does something in front of you that looks easy in entertainment, you have no earthly idea how much work went into making them great still when they're 60 years old. Zaz brought up Jimmy Hendricks as a counter to that, but he had a guitar in his hand at all times from being whatever age he was.

Like no one reaches in your crib and makes you great forever at something. And of course he'd still be competitive. Of course he'd be worried about all these 20-year-old broadcasters whose dads were all so great at him because we've got a whole slew of Joe Bucks out there now because it's a great way to make a living. But the way that guy does it, making it look easy, it's almost always hard. Like just having to know who the backup defensive tackle is and recognize the number. Like they just start on, you have to know all 106 guys who might be on the field because you're never announcing a play where you're saying number 47 or you're saying and the quarterback, cornerback or the Raven. You have to know everybody who's out there, and you have to know it with fluency.

So these aren't actually one day a week, three-hour jobs. You actually have to memorize an assortment of things Wednesday through Sunday. Well, and he's doing it two days in a row, two different games. He's doing Sunday on television NFL, and then Monday night on radio NFL. So he's got to know both of these games with extremely little time in between. Yeah, and the enthusiasm he has is infectious. and he never gets bored. Like, I would think some broadcasters do so many games,

and it becomes so repetitive that they sort of are on cruise control, but you don't get that sense from him, ever. I did find funny, though, Chris, that your father does listen to his podcast several times a week, but it's never to get better. It's just narcissism. That's right. He's not trying to improve. Yeah, I am.

Okay. I listen to it twice. There's rarely notes. The first time I listen as a listener, the second time I listen as a critic, as an editor, as someone who's catching all the mistakes. Why not just do the editor part first and be done with it? Because I have my system, just like Harlan. Your narcissistic. That's not bad.

That's not bad. Who needs me? I'm... I'm... I was 16. Take the rest of the... the day off. Kentucky Burby.

Oh my God. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I was, I radar's up. And the next big, fantasy, watch for you. Wow. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, in partnership with draft. Man. Tony, you know that moment at a party or a tailgate where everything just sort of clicks? I know it well.

It's usually when I show up. Everybody goes crazy. Yeah, you usually take all the credit for it. But it's because Tony usually. usually walks in with quervo. I'm walking like this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Quervo is a thing that turns hanging out into this is the night.

It has that effect on people. It does. You usually take the credit for it, but again, it's the quervo effect. It's like that moment in a big game where everyone in the crowd just starts standing up, hooting and hollering. Keep it quervo. Keep it quervo, baby.