The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Keyshawn Johnson's Getting A Haircut

Episode Date: November 3, 2023

Keyshawn Johnson joins the show while his barber Vic cuts his hair. Key discusses Halloween decorations, the job Eric Bieniemy has done in Washington and how that has affected the Chiefs, what his time after ESPN has been like with Skip Bayless and has a few words for Dan Le Batard's minions. #KLB #KHB Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to Stu Piotty, home of the greatest medium I had ever to walk the planet. Ok show here's a deal, he's a true icon in every sense of the word. He's loved and feared more than any being to grace his planet. They stewed guys to ya, they abad with the voice that sounds like bearer whiter Ice, say hey look you with baby, you, you, you, you, you, you. God himself would pay 3999 for a cameo. Fact of the matter is, you are about to embark on a transcendent experience that can only be described as psychological nudity. This is StuGoss and this is Stu Pardini. Here we go Jeff. Oh, dee. John Johnson get you excited. Are you excited that Kishon Johnson will be joining us on this show in about five minutes because Kishon is certainly, I would say, top 10, top 20 jet of all time,

but left the jets, wasn't very popular when he was there on wondering, I loved him. I loved Kishon. Does Kishon do anything for you? I mean, you can't deny his ability. So I mean, yeah, it gives me a little nostalgia. Yeah, it does. It does. Right. It brings me back to it to a better day.

I mean, we're having good days right now, but to a day when we were up 10-nothing, 98-TFC championship game, we lost to the Broncos, we should have went to the Super Bowl, we did it. Kishon brings me back to that time. A good time in my life. Victor Green fell down trying to cover Ed McCaffrey. You're right about that. How do you remember that? So weird. It's burned in my memory.

Yeah, it's burned. Yeah, Billy, you look at all of this. That was my first big let down as a jet. Really? As a jet fan, or as like in life, like a child, like that first let down. No, that was my first big let down as a jet fan or is like in life like a child like that first let down No, that was my first big let down as a jet fan before that I was too young and then they were terrible. So that was the first time I had hope only to have it crushed How many times have they let you down since Mikey countless Okay, countless I have a question for you guys.

Is there someone that you guys maybe like grew up and you liked and then you met and then you're like, huh, that's so much anymore. So it's weird because the opposite has happened for me and Keesha and Johnson. Like I've grown to admire Kishon. I'm friends with him. I don't know how much I liked him when he was playing and when I was growing up, but now I've gotten a gnome a little bit

and I've grown to really appreciate him. I feel like that's the opposite of what you just said. It's totally the opposite because I don't have an example of the other way. I really don't. Like, hmm, someone I liked growing up, worshiped growing up and then found out that he was a bad person. I had an extra nails. I babysat. Hi, baby sappers kid. I mean, I also, uh, by the way,

something that that I thought was interesting because I didn't make the connection at the time. So Stu gots said in the interview, I grew up watching Kishan Johnson and you guys are either the same age or he's a year younger than you. It's a fair point. Yeah. Which I thought was kind of weird, but I, I also get it about it, right? I also get it though because, because when you said it, like, part of me was like, it's Kishan that much older than Sugats and it didn't really register and then I looked it up and I'm like, I

think they're the exact same age or he you're younger than Sioux God's, but I kind of get it because you know when he played he was like in his you know he started at 22 or 21 or whatever it is and at that age you yourself don't consider yourself an adult probably so you you still think that you're a kid growing up and probably still somewhat innocent to the world. Yes. Yes. I'm a child. Billy, I was 26 when I talk about that 90, the MC championship game. I was 26 years old. Yeah. But I grew up watching.. Yeah. I guess. No, I didn't grow up watching them. It's a fair point.

That's why I'm saying, if I said that in the interview, I apologize. I have another question for you guys. How often do you get haircuts? My wife is killing me to get one right now. She thinks my hair is too long. I would say maybe once a month. Once a month.

Where do you go to get your hair cut? Hair cutery. Hair cutery? Right by my house, yeah. But your haircut is like, I feel like you could just buzz it with like one of those machines, you know what I mean? Like isn't it usually just the same size

all the way around? Yeah, usually get like, I mean now I'm doing like an eight all the way around. It takes 15 to 20 minutes. Marisol, who's my barber is fantastic at it. I will not go see anyone else. It takes me to 15 to 20 minutes. I just don't feel like go there. I don't know. I guess. But once a month, I feel like that's fine. Once a month. Yeah. How about you? I'm very inconsistent, but it's not

once a month. I can go like two months without haircuts, but I get really short on the sides, and every time I go, I have the same conversation with my barber where he's like, oh, every time I see you, I forget how short you got your haircut. He basically is like trying, I don't know if it's like guilty me or trying to give me hints, like you should be coming more often. And I just roll with him like, yeah, I'm not good at this. And then I'll come back like, you know, six to eight weeks later. Right.

Mikey. About every six weeks. About a six weeks. I try and space it. So like, if I have something big coming, it's like the week before I go. Yeah. There's a reason Billy's asking this question. No, well, I like that too, by the way, I like that too, Mikey.

And I haven't had that issue with this barber that I've been going to for a little over a year now, but I liked to give it like a week to kind of settle. Like, I don't want to go like right away and kind of like if this is a bad one, you're getting a fresh bad haircut. Let it settle, let it simmer for a week and then it'll kind of take its shape and start getting back to like what it maybe should look like.

Let it marinate. Exactly right. You always let it marinate a week. No, but Billy, so I had the same problem where I would get like a four all the way. That was too short and it would take like two weeks to get back problem where I would get like a four all the way right was too short And it would take like two weeks to get back to where I really wanted it to be so I said hey Let's ditch the four go to a six. We tried that still a little too short ditch the six went to an eight

And he eight gets me right where I want to be, you know, well Yes, so you just tell them eight now, right? Yeah, I just Yes, I tell them eight now You ask that because Kishan Johnson is about to join us from a barber shop. Correct. Yes. Kishon Johnson is getting a haircut while we did this interview with him. Right.

And it's his second one of the week. Yeah. He gets to a week from what he told us. It's ridiculous. It's not ridiculous. He looks great and he never looks like he needs a haircut because he always looks good, right? But also like part of the reason I get a haircut every you know, six weeks or whatever is like Haircuts are cheap if I get a haircut every week or every two weeks. I mean, that's that's pricey that that comes like a monthly expense

You know, right you're right. Not for Keishan Yeah, right. You're right. Not for Keisha on that. Go ahead, say what you want to say, okay? But just listen to the audience here, okay? We taped this earlier in the week. I believe it was Tuesday or something like that, okay? Keisha was headed into the barber shop at Billy and you'll hear it in a minute, but he had a very interesting interaction about whether or not Keisha on his rich. I don't think Keesha liked me.

I'll just. No, he loved you. He did. I spoke to him after. You tell me that about everyone. Everyone doesn't love me. I just want to make you feel good, Billy. I mean, by lying to me, it doesn't make me feel Mikey.

You've heard this Keeshaan may not like me, right? No, I'm leaving towards you. Probably doesn't like you. Yes. That's probably like Sims. I know loves you. Go like his 50. He Keesha probably doesn't like you. Yes, that's probably like Sims. I know loves you. Go like is 50 key Sean doesn't like you. Yeah, he's 50 key Sean doesn't like me and I feel like part of it was like.

I think he he misunderstood my intentions on some of my questions. So I wasn't intentionally here. Well, if you're you're going to hear it now, I wasn't intentionally trying to aggravate him. I was trying to ask him questions, but I must have said something on one of them that kind of got him off. So anytime I had a question after that, he, he had his guard up a little bit.

I have a theory, Billy, okay. You will hear this in the interview. Keeshawn rips a certain, he rips our ship, okay. I think he feels like you're one of the people who was aligned with Dan in terms of criticizing Keeshawn. That's how I say it. And you are. Yeah. Well, just listen and then we'll talk about it. Here's Keeshawn. Let us know if you think Keeshawn hates Billion or not. And here's

Keeshawn joining us from his barber shop for the second time in a week. He shot joining us from his barber shop for the second time in a week. I have really grown to admire this man, Kishon Johnson. He has become dare I say a friend of mine, which is really cool considering how much Kishon Johnson I watch growing up. He is joining us right now from a barber shop out in L.A. Because he's Kishon Johnson and that's what he does. Kee, what's going on, man? What's up, school?

How are you, man? Good. I told you I had to get a haircut, but I know, you know, time is up yet. But, you know, I couldn't stop to get my hair cut. Because this morning on television, I was looking old, dusty and gray. So I want to make sure that I got it here and get my, you know, got my beauty together. Okay. I mean, that's not tough for you, Kishon.

It's tough for people like me, but he is the co-host of Undisputed on FS1 weekdays, 930-12 years. How long have you been going to that barber shop, Kate? Uh, this particular barber shop, I would probably say pre-pandemic. Let's call it five years, five or six years, something like that. Okay. You hold court in there, don't you? Well, it's all football fans in here, anywhere the 49ers to the rounds, to the Raiders,

to the Broncos, to the Beals. I mean, they're heavy into it. You know, they got their fantasy pool. They're always asking me different questions about different things. But actually, one of the barbers that's here is a huge 49er thing. And I tried to tell him when they got off to a great start, I'm like, dude, Brock Purdy, I want to see him play from behind. Let's see if he can do it, playing from behind.

And each week over the last three weeks, I come in on a Monday and he's just looking at me like depressed. Now this is the third week in a row. He's not here yet though. I'm hoping he gets here. He's avoiding you, Keith. That's what it feels that way. Go ahead, Billy. How often you get your haircut, Keith? Like, what is this weekly? Uh, it's usually twice a week. Twice a week, geez. So today is Monday. I'll probably get

it cut again on Thursday. Okay. Really? Yeah. Same barber, same barber every time. Every single time. This guy right here. What's his name? Vic. Vic. And what is Vic charge if you don't mind us asking? The honest we should have no real set price. I just take care of him. Okay. It take you care of him. He's probably more than take care of him. Okay. It take you care of him. He's probably more than a traditional standard haircut.

Okay. No. Well, no, we discuss this on the show a lot. Like, Vick, does he take good care of you? Be honest with us, Vick. He can't hear me. He can't hear me. He's got your buddy.

He's got your buddy. Tell Vick, really the question the Vick can. He just say, Vick, they want to know if I take proper care of you. Do I take care of you, Vick? right okay I feel like you don't really need an appointment with Vicky just like Vic I'm coming in right now and Vic clears his schedule for you oh no because the honest thing I would probably say it's hitting this. He's probably full because they all take appointments now. This is different. This is different than what me and Scoons live, right?

Yeah. These barbers nowadays, they take appointments, they got their app, they're professionals. This is their life, this is their job. And in the end, I know you think because it's me, he just doesn't exactly be. But I'm not his only, I'm not his only spotlight client. He's got other clients in the spotlight

Who are they they're not as big as you key yeah as Becky key as Vick is he if he is any clients bigger than you Yeah, you have any clients bigger than me You have any clients big in yeah, absolutely So He's Sean leaping Johnson. Get out of here. I have clients being Amy, big wharvers. No, I don't think today. A couple, don't the name of couple. He doesn't want to name a couple.

Yeah, they don't want to be recognized. Mm hmm. Wait, how long does a haircut take, Keith? How long does your hair? Probably a 30, 30 minute deal. Damn. Yeah, I guess that's not bad, right? I got to be honest. Vic probably doesn't like the year on the phone while he's cutting your hair, because you deal. Damn. Yeah. I guess that's not bad, right?

I got to be honest. I know. Vic probably doesn't like the you're on the phone while he's cutting your hair because you're moving around a lot. No, I'm not. I am the steel as they come.

Okay. Okay. Wait, so Keisha, just so we're clear, you saw yourself in the camera this morning. We're taking this hot Monday. You thought you looked all that you said, hey, I'm going to see

Vic, I need a haircut. We have because I had grays on the side. My gray hair starts to come in on the side. And it looks weird. I started looking real silver and I don't like that. I got to come in and get it blended out. All right, but Kishan, you look great. You really do.

You know that, right? Yeah, but you know how I go. I look good to you, but I want to look good to everybody. I got right. Looking good to you. I I want to look good to everybody. I got right. Looking good to you. I'm trying to impress me, right? Exactly. Are you a big Halloween guy? In terms of my kids taking them around, I am no stew because our neighborhood is one of those neighborhoods that's infested with kids. And it'll be between the hours tomorrow of about four to midnight. It'll probably be 10,000 kids and families coming up and down the street because the street is like

epic. It's one of those neighborhoods where every house for about a half a block, I mean a half a mile on both sides, it's completely decorated to the, to the umpteen. And you have a lot of Hollywood personality that live in this community, like a lot of directors and a lot of production people. And they go, I'm telling you, they go all out to a point where it was, it was crazy. One of my neighbors in the past was Nick and six. You had to see his house. This house was, it was like, they saved up just for Halloween just to go all out and do what they did.

It's crazy. It's wild what they do. That is crazy. How do you do it though when you go out with the kids? You got a big drink in your hand, like what's the strategy? You typically don't have to have a drink because typically every other house will have drinks for you of some sort right. Jello shots and whatever they'll have for you even to the point where I've had I've had teenage kids walk up to me like, yo, can you can you give me one of those drinks please.

I'm like, man, if you don't get away from over here, but the whole street, the street is blocked off with the security team and cars can't go up and down the street. And it's just a party. No, it really is truly a party. So if I were to stop by Keisha and Johnson's house on Halloween, what would I expect? Like big bars, small bars, what do you got there? Big bars, right, kid? It's a little bit of everything.

The big bar, the big bar thing is, is, is kind of played out. Yeah. I grew up in South Central Los Angeles, right? The pores of the pores. That's Liberty City times five. And we have big bars. We didn't have a lot of them, but we certainly had them. So I think if you pass by my house, you just don't get, you don't get a lot of stuff.

Plenty of candy. Do you decorate the house too or now? I personally do not decorate the house. Others, we bring in people to do that for me. Wait, you've changed my own light bulb. Come on. Wait, hold on a second. You have people that come into decorating your house for Halloween. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Wasn't it? Was it look like this year? I mean, it has all the scary stuff. It could not too scary. Not too scary when you have young kids.

You don't want to scare them too much, but. Right. There's some Halloween pumpkins and ghosts and skeletons and things that I nature the land around. Okay. I am glad why are you shocked that you wouldn't you expect from me? I'm not rich. I have to take my own. Yeah, I'm not rich either. I'm not gonna sit outside and go and hammer things and no, I'm not doing that. I want to man hard hard in my life to do that. I know, but key, like, your rich is different than other rich.

Like, you live next to Nikki Six, man. I, it's a lot of, it's a lot of people that live in our neighborhood. Right. Look, put it this way. I worked hard. Yeah. Not have to decorate my house. Now, Chris, the time I decorate my own Christmas dream because it's fun with the family.

But I'm not, I'm not decorating my own house to hospital in Halloween and I'm not hanging Christmas like outside either. It doesn't have to. We are so in Billy's wheelhouse. Now go ahead. You signed a $53 million deal. You're rich. No, that's not true. It's not true at all.

Don't believe the internet. Stay off the internet. All right. What was the contract for that game? I mean, it just don't believe that. Yeah, don't he can't. He can't say it now because Vicks listing and then Vicks can expect a little more. Exactly. No, my life, my lifestyle certainly isn't me growing up in South L.A. Poor. No, my lifestyle is not like that. I can afford lunch now. Okay. Okay. Do you have a side helmet inside that barber shop or what?

You have to have something, right? I know. I don't have any memorabilia at all. It's not one of those barber shops that have memorabilia of people up. All right. All right. I'm glad you brought it up. I'm sorry to get serious.

Wait, wait. Hold on. What did you say? Hold on. Vic is saying, hooky-mup now, y'all. That's right. You want to judge the day. Just sign the hundred. You're to judge the day. See? Just so I'm the hundred, you're gonna leave them.

I mean, 100, right, G? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm glad you brought up, I'm glad you brought this up and I'm sorry to get serious because we're having a great time. But you brought up where you're from and what you had to climb over and climb through to make it to where you are today. So you don't have to pay for Halloween decorations.

You have someone coming to house and do it. And I don't think people realize or care on fortunately fans about the backstories of some of the guys they've rooted for or continue to root for today. Can you talk about that a bit? Just what you climbed over what you went through to get where you are today in a barbershop? In the barbershop, not paying for a damn thing because you're Kishan Johnson. No, it's one of those deals, too.

Like I said, where grew up that, if you took, in you took Liberty City Times five, the worst part of the Bronx and Harlem and mix it with the worst part of Brooklyn, they still can't, they still, we still got them beat, right? I mean, it's, it's just one of those situations where you grow up in poverty and the only means of really making it and being successful at that point in time is either going to play sports or somewhere in the entertainment business. And I chose the

sports route rather than go to prison. You know, as a kid, you do things because you're out of lesson and you're gonna slap on the wrist and you may, you know, try to fin for yourself to get as much as you can before that time expires. And you get to be 18 years old, you gotta make a choice. Are I gonna go to jail for the next 50 years or am I gonna make a whole bunch of money

for the next 50 years? And I chose the right side of it. I said, you know what? I'm gonna get it together. This is what we gonna do. And I'm gonna get my mother to part of the hood. And a lot of people, you know, you hear all these lion-ass athletes, they get on television. And they say, oh, I just love the play for the game, the sweat for this to death. Man, stop. You ain't got to sit up there and try to appease nobody. I play not for a yellow jacket.

I played the bay able to buy my mom a big ass house and whatever she wanted and take her on exotic vacations to Florida and Miami and overseas, wherever I wanted to. That's why I played the game of football. I didn't play the game of football to win a championship. If I won one, that's why I played the game of football. I didn't play the game of football to win a championship. If I won one, that's bonus. If I got an opportunity to be fortunate enough to play long enough to compile my numbers so I could get in the Hall of Fame, so be it.

I know one thing I did do is I got my mother exactly what I needed to, you know, and that was my goal. So when I looked at it, I said, okay, do I want to play the go to the Hall of Fame? I do. I want to play in an oneness estate behind these games. And in some people, I'm sure they get on your shows and they just tell you, oh, God, it's for the fans. And I played for the, no, I'm not going to sit up here and sell you that dream. I'm telling you exactly why I played everything else was a bonus. I love that answer key. And what was that day like when you got mom the big house,

what was that day like for you? It was surreal, right? I mean, you gotta think about it. My mom never owned her own home. You know, whether it was sleeping in and out of different apartment buildings, cause we had to expand or rent became too expensive or whether it was trying to figure out where the the next meal would come from whatever the case is

once 96 rolled around There was no more that we already knew I mean you could just forget about it And you set the foundation for the next person to come along like my nephew or my son You know you set that foundation for Michael Thomas, New Orleans Saints Design, a hundred plus million dollar deal in cash here. So you don't have to worry about your family for the rest of your life. I love it. Kishan Johnson with us co-host undisputed on FS1, a weekdays 930 to 12 Eastern. What's life been like for you since you left the ESPN,PN? It's fun.

I had a great 17 year run at ESPN from the top of the top shows to creating shows to take it over for iconic people like Mike and Mike to be a 10 years on NFL Sunday and Monday night countdown to creating come on there. I mean, I had a blast with all those people that's over there. And as they say, sometimes you gotta change, you gotta go see other things in life before you really truly know what's out there. And for me, having an opportunity to be at FS1 now,

you just seek things a little bit different than it was at ESPN. All right, interesting. Is he doing the eyebrows? Eyebrows right now, what's he doing right now? Yeah, what's happening? No, he's edging. No, my eyebrows don't get touched by nobody, but he's edging. He's edging me up with a razor. Okay. All right. What's it been like working with Skip? You know, the way that I've always looked at it is so crazy because when I first started working

or first was rumored to work with Sk and many people was coming up to me saying I didn't want to do that. I didn't want to do that. I didn't want to do that based on His relationship that he may have had with Shannon Shore. I don't have anything to do with that That ain't got nothing to do with me. I'm my own man. Let me judge the individual myself and to do with me. I'm my own man. Let me judge the individual myself. And you know, many people look at him, especially in the African American community. They look at him, they go, oh, he's a 70 year old white man talking about black athletes. So they automatically farm some sort of opinion. Now I go there to work with him. I ain't got no issues. It's fun. I'm enjoying it. We actually had lunch together the other day. I mean't got no issues. It's fun. I'm enjoying it.

We actually had lunch together the other day. I mean, he's cool. I mean, he's just a guy who's passionate about what he does and he's extremely smart. And the great thing about it is he actually watches the games. So I've worked with people before in the past that did not watch the games. Oh, yeah.

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And the thing is, is he really believes what he believes. Nothing is an act, right? People think everything is an act what people do things, but that's not the case. Nothing is an act. Everything is legit, and you got to respect the person for that. No doubt. Was the judge, the judge giants gave him the worst display of football you've ever seen?

Well, it was, you got to take it in the context. It was raining. It was, it was tough. I've seen worse. I've been part of worse. And remember, I was one of 15 with the jets. So I remember those days of the stands being empty and nobody Strolling up and supporting

The jets are doing whatever they need to do to win. What are they? Four and three now five and four three Yeah, they're good. They sit in their cap mercy Keeshawn people for people who don't know you are really close with Bill Bella check I think he's one of your closest relationships from all your years in the NFL is you and Bill For people who don't know, you are really close with Bill Belaichek. I think he's one of your closest relationships. From all your years in the NFL is you and Bill. What do you make of the discussion people are having that Bill should retire and do you think Bill is going to retire?

No, I don't think he's going to retire nor should he retire. I think when you're him, you have put yourself in a position to make that decision whenever that comes. What he has to do in my opinion is take a look at restructure in the front office and getting some quality help at him picking personnel. And if he can get that help as far as coaching on the field, I think he still has all that in his time. It's very difficult, man, for as long as he's been doing it to do both things, it's just hard to do.

And I think you'll have some more success if he could get back to front office people who helped him in the past or somebody like that. Do you think that's something he's capable of though? Because like it's hard once you have all that power to take a step back and then have to listen to someone. But it doesn't mean but it doesn't mean he doesn't have the power. Yeah, what it means is I get another set of eyes to help me.

If you think about some of the other guys he's had in the past, whether it was Scottsville, whether it was Thomas the meat troughs, and how many of the meat crops, whomever it was, Nick Kiserio helping him navigate through some of the decisions that need to be made. When you look at on field, you look at this candidacy and you choose, it's not a coincidence that Eric the enemy has left and that offense looks a certain way. Even if he wasn't calling the place,

he has some sort of influence over what would be called. You know, it's just like me saying, hey, Stu, why don't you try using R instead of W in this conversation? And you go, yeah, you know, what if I use the W, that may work better. And that's what you need. You need somebody that's going to balance you, opposed to trying to do everything. And I think it could be a little overwhelming for Bill B. try to do everything. And I think it could be a little overwhelming for B.O.B. trying to do everything.

The Eric B.E.N.A.M.E. things interesting because for so long, everyone was saying, why can't he get a head coach and job, why can't he, why can't he? Finally, he leaves Kansas City and you kind of see the offense doesn't look the same at all. And it's not looked the same. And the commanders are looking good.

Exactly. And he's working with Sam Howe. Right. That's exactly exactly. We were actually talking to them. They were like, it's that good. Like, I don't know. And it could be Eric B. Enemy. That's being you look like that while at the same time, Ron Rivera not looking good and looks like Ron Rivera might end up getting out. And then what does Eric B. Enemy do? Does he stick around? Does he take the job there? They better give him the damn job.

Well, no, but like if you're him, has he done enough now with the commanders and proven so much with the way that the chiefs aren't looking good that he will get opportunities? Well, two things there, right? You say it hasn't done enough to work an opportunity for a job. I can point to many coaches, many that hasn't done, I hadn't done anything even remotely close

to what EB has done and went on to become a head coach. I could start off by one that was flirting with your Miami dolphins here recently over the last couple of years in Shion Peyton. Shion Peyton, you think Shion Peyton did enough with the Dallas Cowboys to warrant a head coaching I am E. Dolphins here recently over the last couple of years. In Sean Payton. Sean Payton, you think Sean Payton did enough with the Dallas Cowboys to warrant a head coaching job at New Orleans based on his resume up against

the enemy's resume over the last several years in Kansas City, I would argue with you. No, you think Mike McDaniel, your head coach with the Miami Dolph dolphins, his resume leading into that job was better than Eric the enemies? No, so when you start to you start to look at I can Mike XT made in Dan Campbell. What did he deserve the Detroit job? Yes, he did. Did his resume say it was better than Eric binning me's no it did not so when you look at it it's about the owner general manager and the person who makes a decision

the president of the team if they want to actually hire somebody right I mean yes he's done enough to become a head coach but we're not the ones pulling the trigger the other guys are when I when I met morse, was it has he done enough? It's has he done enough for the people who doubted him saying he's not going to be a head coach. Has this one year flipped that opinion in their minds? Because it's one thing he did with Patrick Mahomes. As we just stated, it's another thing to do.

It would say him how about Patrick Mahomes. Well, Patrick Mahomes doesn't look like Patrick Mahomes. Right. No, he doesn't. And I am going to start the process of putting that out there that he looks a little bit different now to the air because the enemy's not there. And I started this two weeks ago. And now I'm standing again.

I think he has done enough. But again, do they want to hire him is the question? Do they want to hire him? Do they want somebody to say the right things and interviews? Or do they are they are just looking for somebody who's to coach them football team? Or are we going to go through all the unnecessary BS that they take you through to be a corporate guy and be able to

get a job. When you shot Johnson is with us. Oh, I'm sorry, Billy. Hold on, I'm gonna take a co-host, undispeeded FS1 weekdays 930 to 12 Eastern on FS1. Billy, go ahead. I'm sorry. I'm sitting in a barber shop. Sitting in a barber shop. Is there anyone waiting? Like do you need to get out of the seat? No, I'm clean now. You look good, Keith. I mean, it's good, man. Go ahead, Billy. I'm sorry.

No, as someone who obviously has played in the league who's done the media thing, I wonder how much you like, you can't like that bull. Part of it, right? I just, I didn't just play in the league. I was pretty freaking good. No, no, but I'm saying you can't. Number one overall pick, Billy. I mean, come on. But what I'm saying is that the bull part of it has to be that, right? Where it's kind of like, you're not just trying to get

the best coach. You're trying to get someone that fits the mold that you want. And like, you should just want the best to win. But instead, you're looking for people that almost you can control and put out there and be the image that you want and do exactly what you want them to say, whatever, and not actually give you the best chance to win. Well, I learned a long time ago from a really, really great head coach that coached me in the NFL. He once told me, a lot of these people that make these decisions don't know what the blank they're doing.

They just don't. And you think because they own a team and because they got billions of dollars that they actually know football and they actually know who to hire. A lot of hires are microwave guys. Repeat offenders so to speak. Guys that are microwaved up. Streets of guys, right? All of a sudden, Matt LaFloor looks like a different coach when there's no air rushes. But when there was an air rush, there's the next disciple behind a shy McVeigh because they went on and wanted Superboy.

And everybody's going crazy. Oh my God! And now you look at that. Or you take Kyle Shannon here. Or you take McDaniel. Or you start looking at a lot of these guys. It's the same guy. So that's

what they do in the National Football League. They want to pluck somebody off the same tree with the same this, the same pedigree, and you're not going to get it. You're just not going to get it. They've been trying that for years with Bill Bellachek. You keep forgetting. Yes, you're taking somebody off of the staff, but the man, guy, you're still on the staff, which is Bill Bouchick. You're not getting Bill Bouchick. You're getting like a sidekick. And then they soon, they learn. But, my dangles got a second, Josh, we got a second head coaching job already. I can't believe Parcell said that to you, Keith. You said that. I didn't say that. I know. I'll get you out of here just a second. One more NFL and

quickly on USC. I think both AJ Brown and Terri Kale should be in serious consideration for NFL MVP as a former one. You agree, right, Kee? Yeah. Tyree Kale is, I don't even know what they have to do for the coordinates. They all need to be fired. I don't even know what they doing. But when it's almost like they can see to just give him his numbers every week. He's going to score anyway. Don't touch him at the line of the script. Just let him run down a minute of the field and be too. He's ridiculous. I don't know where it came from. His speed is... I've never seen anything like it playing receiver. I've seen things on the return game where guys are motoring down the field like Tyree,

but I've never seen it as a receiver. I mean, it's just, I don't even know, yeah, it doesn't even make any sense. It's, every time he touches the football, I'm like, let's do it here, man. I don't get it. But yeah, he should be considered, you know, along with AJ Brown, they both should be considered. They won't get it because there's a quarterback driven league. Right now, that thing is going to Lamar Jackson with Joe Burrow creeping slowly to a creeping. You know, Patrick Holmes is always going to be there hovering around

and they're Josh Allen is still in the mix to some degree. But that's who was going to go to a quarterback is 18 and five and acceptable record for Lincoln Riley. and they're Josh Allen is still in the mix to some degree, but that's who was going to, who's going to record it back? Is 18 and five and acceptable record for Lincoln Riley is the head coach at USC? Well, right now he has the same record in the first two years as Clay Hilton. First two years. Damn.

So when you look at that, you go out, but his 18 and five is a little more dynamic. So it just feels better. Right. He just feels better. Losing to UCLA and Notre Dame in the same year, probably won't be acceptable. As of right now, it looks like we are gonna lost the Notre Dame,

but it looks like if we don't get it turned around, we could lose the UCLA. That won't be good. People around here are starting, you know, getting an itchy butt and won't just sit down and let it take its course, but he also has to make some tough decisions on his staff when the season's over with and make a decision what to do defensively because the defense inside the ball just hasn't worked out. It just hasn't, hasn't worked out. I mean, you know, who would teach on Johnson higher? Who would I hire if it was available to fix the defense?

Yeah. I would meet personally. Yes. I would, I personally would see how much it would take to go get Rex Rhinel. That's just me. I love that. That's just me. Do you know what?

He's coached in college before. Yep. I don't really need you to recruit. We'll bring him on campus and every now and then you can make some home visits. But all I need you to do is run the defense and I'm gonna give you that three year, kid and a half million dollar, three million plus a year deal. I'm gonna make you say no, but that's just me.

Right, that's just, that's just, you think Rex would do it though, because I do, I'm with you. Well, he kicked the tires on the Denver Bronco job. And I don't know what happened if he turned it down or they wanted to give it to somebody. I have no idea. But it's all about talking to somebody and selling them, right?

If you could get him in the room, if it becomes available, and there's an opportunity there, money should be an issue. So you just get it done. That's what I would do. Okay, I'll tell you what I would do. Or another dude I would take a look at is that the X was constant DC that used to be,

Oh, God, you played for the jets. He was a safety man. I know who you're talking about. Leonard, oh God, his Leonard is his name. I don't know if I, I bill is looking up Leonard, Lenny. Lenny is, is it Jim Leonard? Last name, Jim Leonard, Jim Leonard. Yeah. Leonard. I would take a look at Jim Leonard as a potential DC as well. Cause I think he's just out in the streets right now. Right. Uh, Billy, you know what I would do if I were key?

I mean, Deon coaching a Colorado key, you should get into the coaching game, man. No, you don't want to do that. No. You have to finger at me. I'm so good. Yeah. Billy said earlier, I'm not going to play the politics. I'm not going to play the game.

I'm just not going to do it. Right. And Prime has done an amazing job for Colorado and to set it up for other people that want to follow and come along. I just I have no interest. I don't have a patience. You know, I barely I barely have the patience to deal with you Because of your partner and the other little cronies who hang around his little side kicks that always got mouth and all And always got something to say go ahead. Go ahead. Take shots at the laboratory. We're good. Go ahead. Say it. I'm saying, I'm saying damn, but all the other little cronies, there's a little million, millions running around. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like you said, run around. Yeah. I don't know their names, but they're little minions

that always like to believe. I wanted it one day, I don't know what I was doing. I was watching something and something came on and the little minions was running a mile. And I said to myself, I said, these dudes, a half of one of my catches in the NFL is more than they would ever have throughout high school. I'm sure. It was just like, yeah, little minion dudes running around the background. You told me what's off air like I'm not down with

media criticism. Like, please, especially from guys you've never played football before, you take a hit from Steve Atwater and see what it feels like. Exactly. Let Sean Taylor hit you one time across the middle. They come back and talk to me. Let Steve Atwater catch you on a shallow cross. Come back and talk to me. Or LeVon Kirkland hit you and crack your sternum. They come talk to me. Until then, shout out to just be a little minion for Lepotar. Jim Leonard is a senior football analyst at Illinois. So I think he's available. Well, that's because they're still panting. So he took a little job.

Yeah, a little analyst. But that would be a guy that I would, you know, he had some good, he has, he, he understands the big 10 conference, which we're going into. And I would look at it. I'm sure there's other candidates that's out there. There's not that's, I think Rex is a good one. That's strong. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know our new AD came from Washington, Jay and came from Washington and she fired Jimmy Lake the ex coach there after she hired him. He would be a good DC, but I don't know if I don't know if Lincoln would be able if the job became available, if he would even be able to get that across the finish line. But there's some players, there are some coaches out there, I'm sure. All right, getting you out of here right now, but I've always meant to ask you this question. 98, AFC championship game, I think you're up 10, 3 and a half against Denver.

Is that correct? 10 Zipper. Oh, 10 zero. You're right, 10 zero. Yeah. 10 nothing. Two guts. Add half time was Keisha on thinking about talking about the Super Bowl? Or no, like you can't do that, right? No, wasn't talking, no, nothing to talk about.

I mean, we, we was, we were up 10, oh, we should have gone up either 13 or 17, oh, and a VKV fumbled it around the five, the outline or something. And we went in 10, oh, we got the ball back, we was supposed to get the ball coming out of the second half. And I believe we kicked it off. They kicked it to us in the wind, caught the ball in the air,

went back to Bronco, and we kind of went down hill from there, but no, we knew that Atlanta had beat Minnesota earlier that day. We obviously played in Atlanta that year and torched them. So we knew, okay, if we got there, then Atlanta's the opponent, but no, we were not, it just didn't go, it didn't go well. So it can have just didn't go well. I know the only reason I asked is because I was watching that

with my friends and I said to all of them, no one. No one mentioned Super Bowl. It's 10, nothing at hand. There's an entire and then my friend went out and I pay for we were they had pay phones at that time and he actually purchased a pair tickets from a scalper. How about that Super Bowl? He did. And so it's his fault.

Yeah, it is his fault. Yeah, it's his fault. You didn't get to a Super Bowl with a jet ski. You got to one Tampa, but my is he a Miami Florida guy? He is. Yeah, you want to rip up his name's Brian God typical typical. Classic. No, Miami, you know, Miami, doff and fans hate me.

They can't stand me. They think I don't like to, they think I don't like Tyree. They think I don't like the Dolphins. I'm like, I don't have a horse in the race. I don't care. I just try to I don't like the dog. But I'm like, I don't have a horse in the race. I don't care. I just try to share my opinion based on what I think. I see, but they can't stand me. I love it though.

I was gonna say, I feel like you like that they hate you. With a smile on his face, is that it? Oh, I love it because I'm living rent free in their heads for no reason at all. That's great. Kisha, on your awesome, man, go host undisputed on FS1 weekdays 9 30 to 12. You start checking out every day. Kishon, you're the man. I appreciate you. Thank you for doing this from the barber shop. You still have better sides. I'm from

Vic on the way out there. You gots. Oh, it's Vic money because you've been taking up his chair because it's two guys. No, it's all good. Okay, promote his barber shop, man. Promote it for Vic. Oh, it's scissors on Ventur Boulevard in Tarzanah, Mr. Sizzles. Okay. Okay. Just call. All right. We can come check it out. All right. We appreciate you and sign something for him on the way out. Okay. Okay.

Oh, I mean, all right. So I'm convinced now I if we take votes here, let's go around the room take, he didn't like me. He didn't. I vote for he, didn't like me. In fact, if you're still listening to this podcast and you're a fan of this show, in honor of Kishon's morning show, if you think that Kishon hated me, tweet at all of us in Tagas KHB for Kishon hates Billy. And if you think that he likes me, do KLB for Kishon liked Billy. Yeah.

Okay. Mikey, your vote. Oh, beforehand, I thought he didn't like you. And now I'm certain of it. He didn't like you. Yeah. I think I think the year theory is not at KHB. Yeah, KHB or KLB. I go ahead. KHB really. Yes. Well, I heard it. I mean, when you're in it, it's hard to tell, but after hearing it,

he ain't you, dude. Well, here's the thing. So he referred to, he referred to the members of dance show as minions. And you got, you think that he didn't like me because he knew me as a minion? I don't think he has any idea who I am. Obviously, why would he, Keesha and Johnson? Why would you know who Billy Gill is? So I don't think that it's that. I think he just didn't like the questions that I asked him. And I think the one that he really didn't like was where I said you played in the league for a long time. And I didn't like say you're one of the greatest NFL players of all time, which seems kind

of like a ticky-tack thing to get upset about. Why would I introduce the question with you were one of the greatest NFL players of all time? What do you think about XYZ? Yeah, but if you apply a little fluff to the question, Billy Perhaps you'll get a better answer because Keishon's in a better mood. Oh this guy's respecting me. He likes me, you know I do like I did like I know you do I know like Bill I'm telling you I'm telling the audience and I'm telling Keishon if he's listening

Well, we were done with that interview Billy said said it was really good. And he never says that. So it does. In fact, in fact, I petitioned and I argued and I tried to get Mikey on my side and he agreed with me that this should be an episode of stupidity. It should be a full episode. So we could air the entire thing instead of having to trim it down to like a 10 minute interview. Because I thought it was so good. I wanted to air the entire thing. So Because I thought it was so good. I wanted to hear the entire thing so Hashtag K H B but hashtag B L K Feel like you're making a comeback though. I really loves Kishon Not even like loves really I believe you love Kishon. I did he was very gracious with this time He did it from a barber receipt and his barber was tremendous and he was great

He was entertaining. I feel like big like like some. We were trying to get a big extra money here. We should. Book big. You know what? What was the place called? Scissors. I'm gonna look for a big number.

Scissors. I'm a turd. Yeah. That's it. That's stupid. Stupid. you