The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Local Hour: Ali Abdelaziz (feat. Ariel Helwani)

Episode Date: November 21, 2025

"How does it rub you?" We kick things off with the Ed Orgeron Tommy Toppers, James Franklin's Virginia Tech, and Mike's latest "happen to know" on Lane Kiffin's connection to both LSU and Florida.... Then, Ariel Helwani joins us so we can finally get some decent ratings. Ariel, Dan, and Tony dive into Anthony Joshua vs. Jake Paul and the world of UFC before Tony embarrasses himself in front of his media hero. Today's cast: Dan, Chris, Jeremy, Mike, Roy, and Tony. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:20 Mare enough. Hey, friends, Jeremy here. The NBA on Prime is back tomorrow. with another great Emirates NBA Cup doubleheader. The night starts with Pascal Seaccom and the Indiana Pacers, meeting Donovan Mitchell and the Cleveland Cavaliers. A matchup that if Tyrese Halliburton was healthy, probably would have been a potential Easter conference finals preview.
Starting point is 00:01:42 Instead, you got Donovan Mitchell, who's averaged at about 30 a game, and the Pacers who are struggling, but those games on prime are always intense. And then it's down to Texas, as Nikola Yokic and the Denver Nuggets, as Big Honey plays some of the best basketball of his career, which is certainly saying something, get their first look at Kevin Durant
Starting point is 00:02:01 and the new look, Houston Rockets. If you're not a prime member, that's not a problem. Just sign up for a 30-day free trial to get started today. Pacers, Cavs, Nuggets, and Rockets. Coverage starts tomorrow at 6.30 p.m. Eastern, only on Prime. Restrictions apply. See Amazon.com slash Amazon Prime for details. Chris, I don't think that a lot of places in America or the world right now, have exactly as wonderful weather as we have right now.
Starting point is 00:02:32 I thought you were going to say breakfast. The breakfast was pretty good today. I saw some upgrades over the donut. Wait some croquetas today, Dan. Oh, finally. Croquetas in a sandwich with a little papita? Oh, my God. He's starting to learn about papitas, Dan.
Starting point is 00:02:46 He's starting to learn about papitas. He's always known about papitas. So the weather here is beautiful, but I don't know if you guys felt this in the room. an Arctic chill blew through the room after I heard the sentence uttered the year I became a golden cane. Did you guys all notice that? Like when Mike said that, I saw everyone in the room drift away. Mike is immersed in this lame kiffin.
Starting point is 00:03:14 He's delighting in watching Lane Kiffin and the rare scenario where a school like LSU buys out at Orgeron and then winks at him and says, want to come back as an assistant with Lane Kiffin? I haven't seen a coach bought out in scandal, and a few years later, things go so poorly with Brian Kelly. It's like open arms, Ed Oh, come back. Coach. So if you're following the news, there's growing momentum that LSU is trying to hijack this Lane Kiff in the Florida thing.
Starting point is 00:03:44 Florida had felt good for weeks on end. It's real. Happen to know. LSU is trying to hijack. It happens to know. Great Scott. He happens to know. He happens to know.
Starting point is 00:03:55 Gather everyone. Get the children. He happens to know. So wise. And one of the parts of the story that I think CBS reported on is if LSU does indeed hire Lane Kiffin, could Ed Orgeron join Lane Kiffin's staff? And there appears to be real juice to that report. We will get into that and all things college football.
Starting point is 00:04:18 Dan, when you felt the Arctic blast of Mike saying that he was a golden cane, it was in context of something that I had mentioned to him that he was talking about and I was at the game a few weeks ago with the Syracuse game and I was sitting up in the club and I was walking through the back, you know, alleys of the club and all of a sudden I see Coach O passing by and I'm like, hey, coach, good to see you. And he told me something very important. There's only a couple of times where I've gotten this in my life from a very important person. He said, good to see you, big guy, gave me a big guy.
Starting point is 00:04:43 And I was like, how is that helpful to the story? What do you mean? That's the whole story. He gave me a big guy. I have a couple funny Ed Orgeron's stories. I've been to a couple dinners with Ed. I've talked to him at length. He sat in my seats before for me for the big guy.
Starting point is 00:05:00 Okay, my bad, hands up. He really tommy top. He really tommy top you on you think you're the big guy with the horsgeron? You would think that I have this really good relationship with Ed Orgeron. Doesn't know who I am. I've spent a lot of time with Ed Orsoran. I was at practice in the fall during fall camp. Ed Orgeron came up to me.
Starting point is 00:05:20 I thought like, all right, the time. He's finally here. He's finally recognized me. And he's like, man, you raised a good one. I'm like, Juliet? She's not out here? And then he came back five minutes later and he's like, apologies, I confuse you with somebody else. But whoever that was, he raised a good one.
Starting point is 00:05:37 I'm embarrassed. I'm legitimately embarrassed at the number of photographs I've sent Mike Ryan of a shirtless Ed Orgeron jogging past me on South Beach. Looks good. What a dream. It's too hot to be running out there. Like, he's been running out there since I've known him as a graduate assistant at the University of Miami. You have him as a normal guy, Dan?
Starting point is 00:06:04 Like, just, you know what? What's sense? It's too hot. Did you notice what happened? Yeah. He tried to to Tommy Top everybody. I know. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:10 Seeing shirtless Ed Ogeron. Come on. This is the Dan Levator show with the Stugats podcast. Tony, do me a favor, please. In the happen-to-know file, Chris Cody exclaims from medieval times, Great Scott, and I don't know why it's Great Scott, and I want to know why it is Great Scott, if you can find that for me. He happens to know?
Starting point is 00:06:39 Great Scott, he happens to know. He happens to know. Mike has embedded himself in the Lane Kiffin drama and fun. It is great fun to see someone who does not care. throw the entire business into upheaval as schools in the SEC try to say, no, we're more important than that school. We should be the ones who get you. How much money do we have to give you, even though you've been disgraced a couple of different times? Everything's all polished up now. We need offense. But before we get to the topics of the day and Ariel Hawani will be in with us
Starting point is 00:07:14 in studio in a little bit. I had not seen a segment that was just on get up before. Maybe they've been doing it for weeks or months. But that boy bad is something they do with some highlights. And it's led by Harry Douglas, who appears to have grown into his role at ESPN with the reps because Harry Douglas was very animated. But at the end of whatever point he was making, because the sound is down, they had everybody in the room do a synchronized choreographed hip thrust. And it was done much better by Bart Scott and Harry Douglas than it was by Orlovsky Greeny and Peter
Starting point is 00:07:55 Schrager who their heart wasn't in it, their pelvis wasn't in it, their groin wasn't in it. They feel a little intimidated, I feel like, by what it is that Harry Douglas and Bart Scott were doing with their bodies.
Starting point is 00:08:11 Even though those bodies have been hit more than the bodies of Greenie and Schrager and even Dan Arlofsky, who ran out of the end zone, one time and got a safety to avoid sudden contact. Dan, it's all about confidence. That's what I keep telling Jeremy. Like, you can do anything. As long as you have the confidence to do.
Starting point is 00:08:27 That's what's the difference there. You throw a hip up there. Wow! All of a sudden, it's like, oh. You say this. He knows something. I love that Tony gives two-time Emmy winner, Jeremy, advice on how to present himself. Thank you. But he is right in this respect when he says it's all about confidence. I've told you guys this story
Starting point is 00:08:43 before. It was in the Falcon's locker room and they were playing the Dolphins, and Dion Sanders was wearing a mustard-colored suit. And I said, fairly obviously, I couldn't wear that. And he's like, yes, you could. It's all about confidence. And I'm like, I couldn't wear that. I don't have the confidence that you do.
Starting point is 00:09:07 Tony projects confidence at all times. Harry Douglas gives off some confidence. Can we play the sound? The only sound from the file that we have here marked. Harry Douglas. I mean, you don't know anything about what you're talking about. And you have to note to call up here and say to me that we're trying to upsell the fountains to you?
Starting point is 00:09:28 Sorry, you're not a fulman fan. You haven't been. And if you have been, you don't know what you're looking at. Stop being a homer, boo. Get out of my... I'm the last word's a homer. Don't you ever call me a homer? Who the hell do you think has been saying the truth since 1973 on Atlanta radio?
Starting point is 00:09:45 Who? the shaking of the prescription pills is so good it'll be eternal it'll be timeless uh i want an explanation from the group on something because i've i've restrained well okay since you asked i'd like it from mike i guess um the mLS playoffs are ridiculous okay i i don't blame anyone who criticizes the fact that it has been six weeks and inner miami is playing three games that's right three it's been the first round of playoffs took three weeks and then they just took a whole bunch of time off because I know they're scheduling conflicts and stuff. But so you cannot do the playoffs this way where it takes six weeks to play three games. I hear you. This is, well, playoffs, in European competition, there's a
Starting point is 00:10:33 Champions League, which is a playoff format, but it's not uncommon for long breaks here. What's weird is you have a best at three in the first round and then we're just off to the races and single elimination. However, you're not off to the races because in the middle of that, There's like a two-week international break. So I understand why it's ridiculous, but don't worry. Deep in the meat of that NFL Sunday window, you get to watch Inter Miami play the biggest game in club history. And it's a one-off, right? It's an elimination game because we've covered for everybody that the first round is three game.
Starting point is 00:11:05 But everything after that is the randomness of one-game samples. Zagak. Did you get Great Scott there, Tony? Did you find for me the Oritans of Great Scott? The interjection, Great Scott. Scott most likely originated from the general Civil War era general named General Winfield Scott. He was an imposing figure, stood six foot five. And at that time, that's basically like Wembe size, right?
Starting point is 00:11:25 Like everybody's very small back in the day. So six foot five, and they would name him, great Scott, but also made famous by a good doctor, Dr. Doc Brown. Just saw his photo. He looks like if Ed Orgeron was 90 and a Civil War general. All right, put it on the poll. Back in Civil War days was the six five general, basically. Wemby.
Starting point is 00:11:47 Huge. That general was only 33 at the time of that photo. I agree. It looks 90. Hard living. He's like former Kansas State coach Bill Snyder. Holy God. That is great, Scott.
Starting point is 00:11:58 You know, war will do that too. A civil war, yeah. War is hell. Brothers against brothers, Dan. I wanted to get to a couple of the things going on locally here before Ariel Hawani joins us because Miami is playing Virginia Tech. Virginia Tech now has James Franklin. as its coach, Virginia Tech, has been really bad this year.
Starting point is 00:12:20 I don't think that's a good job. I really don't. I think that that was a good job. Now, I'm speaking a bit ignorantly because I don't know their NIL situation. At this point, basically, if you've got NIL money, that becomes a good job. They do have money. They do. They've been preparing for this moment.
Starting point is 00:12:38 They understand that they were behind there. This is a really big, aggressive hire for them. I happen to know. that if you don't have to do me. Oh my God, he knows. He happens to know. You walked into that one. Come, everyone. Come and listen. I did. He's always got it ready. He happens to know. Well informed. Had the FSU job become available, that would have been James Franklin's priority. But FSU doesn't have any money right now. And they're desperately hoping this season doesn't totally fall off the rails. We'll see what happens tonight in
Starting point is 00:13:10 Raleigh for Florida State. He wanted that Florida State job. Virginia Tech was on this on the radar. A lot of Keynes fans in the group chat and people that are well informed. That's a big question that you have. Like Virginia Tech, Blacksburg is in the middle of nowhere. Yeah, the program has some prestige, but how appealing is this job? But they have a lot of money. They're taking this super seriously. And I think they hired a great coach. James Franklin does know how to recruit, does know how to program built. He's very familiar with that DMV area when it comes to recruiting. He knows the prospects already can hit the ground running.
Starting point is 00:13:46 I think that is a big time hire for Virginia Tech about as good as they can do. I actually need to pull back a little bit on what I said because my information is dated, I cannot say something is or isn't a good job based on the way that I've always done my measurements there because I need to know how much money schools have to spend on players to know whether something is a good job or not.
Starting point is 00:14:09 But the idea that I've lived long enough to watch Virginia Tech be a better job, than FSU is asinine. I don't know. If Virginia Tech has money and if Virginia Tech can get James Franklin, but Florida State cannot, Florida State is as podunk a region as Virginia Tech. But when you're in the state of Florida and can recruit Florida, that's one of the measurements I've always used to say, is that a good school?
Starting point is 00:14:35 Do players want to go play at that school? I can't see going all around the country and being able to get players to come to Virginia attack in its present incarnation, but my information is dated because if you've got money, you can get players to play anywhere. Yeah, Florida State is just, they had money, but they just spent it poorly, buying out a bunch of coaches, and it just hasn't worked out. Now, I've been to Tallahassee, one of the worst places on the planet, but they have a dedicated airport in their estate capital.
Starting point is 00:15:04 Like, Blacksburg is tough. It's a tough sell. What you're selling there is game day experience, which I've been told is awe-inspiring. That stadium's incredible. game day experience is incredible. That's all they really have in that area. But this is a team in Virginia Tech that has lost a lot of talent to the portal. The new age of college football came and they're such a, their identity was Frank Beamer and they were kind of set in their ways and they didn't see this coming and they weren't ready for all the talent that they did have
Starting point is 00:15:34 and developed to just be leaving them. James Franklin's not going to let that happen. James Franklin will be the guy that poaches guys, and I think it elevates the ACC conference that needs a little bit more juice to it. So I'm happy they got that higher. And it's a good rival for Miami. And we all know James Franklin doesn't win big game. So I'm good with that. I mentioned yesterday that Miami, the University of Miami, found itself with an unusual ally in Paul Feimbaum when it came to the Notre Dame Miami discussion. For those of you who are not familiar with our particular brand of obnoxious screech around here, there has been some screaming and yelling about the idea that Miami and Notre Dame could end up with the
Starting point is 00:16:13 same record, and Notre Dame would have a higher classification, even though they lost to Miami. Let's play the sound here from Paul Feinbaum. Paul, the idea that Miami beats Notre Dame head to head and remains behind them because of the quality of Notre Dame's losses seems to rub a lot of people the wrong way. How does it rub you? It rubs me beyond the wrong way. And Grinney, I'll continue my rant about Notre Dame. I've been hearing, and you have been hearing because you lived near Notre Dame growing up,
Starting point is 00:16:42 that Notre Dame, in college, I should say, that Notre Dame, there's a bias. There is a bias. Let's just go ahead and admit it. And this committee, I have no earthly idea why they can't move beyond it, because they're supposed to be objective. But it just seems like let's always give Notre Dame the loss. And I feel badly for Miami. They got knocked out last year. They were the last team out along with Alabama.
Starting point is 00:17:04 They did some of it to themselves. But they beat Notre Dame. Shouldn't head-to-head matter in college football or in any sporting event. but apparently to this committee, it does not matter at all. It does take more confidence. One pump, I'm just one. You did it very stiff, very stark, dude. You got to get there.
Starting point is 00:17:21 It did it all, poppy. Yeah, I know, I'm sorry. How does it rub you, Paul? You saw that it rubbed him poorly. You saw that Paul Feimbaum there, who as an entity, the entirety of him, looks like something that would be rubbed. It rubs me beyond the wrong way. Chafing.
Starting point is 00:17:38 Beyond the wrong way. So beyond the wrong way would be chafing. You're absolutely right there. Oh, wait a you. Yes, there is stuff happening there when you've arrived at pissing off Paul Feinbaum on behalf of Miami. Do you know how wrong things have to be? How does that rub you? It's the craziest question.
Starting point is 00:17:57 Come on, Green. That's crazy. It rubs me beyond the wrong way. So it's beyond, it's beyond chafing. No, Dan, there's nothing beyond chafing. No, but that's a good answer because you were asked the question, how does it rub you? It rubs me beyond the wrong way. How else are you supposed to answer?
Starting point is 00:18:15 Well, I thought it would be sufficient for it to rub him the wrong way, but it's somewhere realms beyond being rubbed the wrong way. And Tony correctly identified when he said, well, that's a chafing rub. And what's beyond chafing? Bleeding. Oh. You chafed too much. There's nothing else there. It comes out.
Starting point is 00:18:33 Well, but wait a minute. His blood runs crimson. It does not run green and orange. that is a strange ally to have in Paul Feimbaum. I suspect that it's an uncommon kind of wrong. It's also a silly discussion to be having before we have to actually have it, which would be when the final decisions are made on that. You would think, but I don't think so.
Starting point is 00:18:58 I don't think so. I think there's been noticeable media pushes from Miami, and if you watch a college football playoff show, the discussion was all about Miami. That wasn't the case two weeks ago when Miami wasn't. and right. And if Miami lost to Pittsburgh instead of SMU, they would have just
Starting point is 00:19:15 kept Miami out of it and you would have had an opportunity to fight. And I think these are impressionable bureaucrats that don't like being bullied and you have to turn the volume up if you're representing Miami. You have to force this discourse. You have to hold their nose up to it and say what are we doing here. I do
Starting point is 00:19:31 think a little bit of it is unfair to the college football playoff committee because clearly what they're doing is they're taking the AP polls and the coach coaches pull, and they're just like, what do we want to change about like these two or three spots, which is this ridiculous tier thing that we all learned about this week? How does it rub you? It rubs me more than the wrong way.
Starting point is 00:19:50 Beyond, beyond the wrong way. But that is actually what you just described, what you just described of how do they do this without computers. Well, they just grab all the information and then change a couple of the rankings. That's exactly how Greg Cody, when he goes through all. all the magazines before a season. He's not doing any reporting. He's not doing any reporting
Starting point is 00:20:15 that involves calling a human being and gathering information. He's grabbing a piece. It's how you would do a book report before chat cheap E.T. You Google something or you look at a bug. You change a couple words here. Instead of there, they are.
Starting point is 00:20:32 My friend did the homework. He gives it to me. I change a couple of words. All right. Not the same report. Same general idea. Just a different wording. I think the coach's poll in particular is maddening to me. Because if any coach, they're just, what the coaches are doing is they're just looking at the AP poll and just trying to change a team here or there.
Starting point is 00:20:52 There isn't a single coach on this green earth that would lose a game to an opponent and be okay with that opponent being ranked ahead of them had they had the same record. And given that the CFP very clearly takes its cues from the coaches and AP. poll. The AP and the coaches poll need to be held accountable. You got a wet sock out there looking like a deer in the headlights. He's an idiot. We know that. AP and coaches, they need to know better. How does it rub you? Ariel Hawani is going to be around the corner. Mike Ryan mentioned a media blitz. I have seen that Cristobal has been out there, and this part is eternally dumb to me. I remember feeling silly when Nick Saban would do it every year after he had lost.
Starting point is 00:21:39 where he just starts making the media tour and it becomes no longer about football. It's just, how can you influence people by shouting? I want to get into the media blitz part of this, but before I do, I want to have at some point on our show a tournament of the best sounds in show history. And I think, I'm not kidding you, I know it's a recent nominee, but I believe everything about this sound would make it a one-state. seed. I need your support. The fact that he's a little drunk.
Starting point is 00:22:13 I need your support. The fact that he is whispering to his wife. I need your support. The fact that it's about a fantasy league controversy. I need your support. The fact that he's taking it that seriously. I need your support. The fact that it is somewhere between longing and pleading. I need your support. But you can hear the desperation in it. I need your support. I think it's a one seat and it's combined with all of those things can be true. But the other part of it that makes it clear, it's a secret phone call from clearly a very closed quarters in a submarine bathroom. I need your support.
Starting point is 00:22:50 Like, this sound is so bad. I need your support. That's not a phone call in 2025. That is desperation shouted from the bottom of the sea in a bathroom in a submarine. I need your support. That sounds no good. I need your support. And he's nine beers in.
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Starting point is 00:24:35 Easter conference finals preview. Instead, you got Donovan Mitchell. who's averaged at about 30 a game and the Pacers who are struggling, but those games on prime are always intense. And then it's down to Texas as Nikola Yokic in the Denver Nuggets, as Big Honey plays some of the best basketball of his career, which is certainly saying something, get their first look at Kevin Durant and the new look, Houston Rockets. If you're not a prime member, that's not a problem. Just sign up for a 30-day free trial to get started today. Pacer's, calves, nuggets, and rockets. Coverage starts tonight at
Starting point is 00:25:08 6.30 p.m. Eastern, only on Prime. Restrictions apply. See Amazon.com slash Amazon Prime for details. Folks, the leaves are turning. The weather's getting a little chillier. That means a football games are more important. That means football time. Should be Miller time. Game day hits different with a Miller light in your hand. From jaw-dropping touchdowns to fantasy heartbreaks. My fantasy season's over already, but you know what makes that better?
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Starting point is 00:26:27 Stugats. I didn't realize we had a substitute complicated legacy. Brought you by headquarter to Toyota, huh? 441 and Powerline Road. Second out of nine. This is the Dan Lebatar show with the Stugats. Ariel Hulani has arrived. Come on in here, Ariel.
Starting point is 00:26:49 He's the best going in MMA. It has been for a long time. He is flexing, even though he is a Bills fan and he should be ashamed today. And we're going to talk to him about the Bills and other things. Finally, we get some ratings up in this. Finally, he'll won. has arrived. Finally
Starting point is 00:27:09 we can pop a rating. Am I on? It's been too long since we've seen you. Generally, the ratings don't spike when you start it with, am I on? Am I still number one? Am I still number one? No, you're not number one. Oh, there was some like weirdo. Jeremy Corbell. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He probably bought those views. How are you, Dan? It's so good to see you. It is nice to see you. You finally got the invite.
Starting point is 00:27:29 Finally got called up to the big time. You've been invited so many times. You were near the Clevelander wandering around on the outside of the Clevelander, and you wouldn't come in for mysterious reasons. Yeah, that was weird. You're always welcome here. You're always invited. It's because Skipper didn't put enough zeros. Where's he at, Skipper? Is he back there? Where you at? Where you at? I do. I'm not here. I'm not here right. He did what we call in the business fumbling of the bag. Let's just move it along. Is that Ed? Go tell a part of the intrusion. Where's Pablo at? How does it rob you?
Starting point is 00:28:01 Pablo's winning awards in New York. He is. What a beautiful setup you have here. Wow, this is amazing, Dan. It's so great to see you. Likewise, buddy. I'm really happy to be here. I love this city. I don't like your sports teams. I'm a little depressed on this Friday morning, considering what happened yesterday.
Starting point is 00:28:15 Your Bill's allegiance is the greatest of your sports allegiances? I would say Knicks and Bills. When I was a kid, it was Knicks, Bills, and Expos. Those were my favorite teams. The Expos, May they Rest in Peace. In 2015, I adopted the Toronto Blue Jays. I've had a horrible 10 months. My kids say horrible.
Starting point is 00:28:30 I'm explaining to them that it's been pretty good because my bills lost to the Chiefs in the AFC championship game in January In May, my Knicks choked in epic fashion against the Pacers, game one, and then game two, and then they had to swim upstream, and then the Blue Jays losing in, you know, seven games to the Dodgers. So we're at the dance, we're there, we're on the cusp of greatness, but then, of course, we falter when it counts. I've never seen one of my teams win a championship in my lifetime, not one. That's hard to believe. It's hard to believe, yes, and it's hurting me.
Starting point is 00:28:57 You used to be a young man in this business. I used to be a young man. I'm starting to get some white hair like you. It's so great to see you. Have I ever seen you in person? Is this the first time? This can't be the first time. It's almost surreal being here.
Starting point is 00:29:08 Look at this. Why do you keep them so far away from you there? I like to avoid intimacy. Yeah. This is so great. Tony up there. When I first met Tony, he actually asked me what does UFC stand for? Now all of a sudden he's like a UFC expert.
Starting point is 00:29:23 It's crazy. I feel like I birthed his fandom. You absolutely did. Yes. He's like literally asking me like, so who's this Connor Macro? Well, for the audience who may not be involved in combat sports because he's here for part of the press coverage of Anthony Joshua, Jake Paul, which I think is an insanity. I think Jake Paul's choice, like, what's the end game, Spence? Is it your end game? I saw you guys talking about it.
Starting point is 00:29:44 I just think it's insane that he's fighting this person. He usually, I know he fought Tyson at like 220, but he usually fights at under 200, right? And in the range of 200, cruiserweight. All right, so he's a cruiserweight, and Anthony Joshua is a legitimate heavyweight, and the people he's been fighting are not, none of them are one-tenth of what this man is as a fighter. He's, His opponent in this fight, I don't know what your opinion is on this, but I am genuinely curious because even while I think a heavyweight has a chance in any fight, a puncher's chance, I don't think Jake Paul has anything for Anthony Joshua. Do you respect him for taking it? Yeah, you have to because that's terrifying. Look, I understand that Jake Paul is ranked in cruiser weight, but there are weight classes for a reason.
Starting point is 00:30:30 And this is a man that I thought was going to be the guy who not. off Fury and Deante Wilder and a lot of people thought that. A lot of people thought he was going to be undisputed. He still a two-time unified heavyweight champion, Olympic gold medalist in 2012. His last fight was for the title against Daniel Dubois and got knocked out. That was his last fight. So it's not like he's washed up. It's not like he's fighting bums and all that stuff. Yeah, it's a crazy thing. I just, I get annoyed at the people who are doing like the sanctimonious thing, that this is a stain on AJ's legacy, that this is a stain on the sport of boxing, because you often hear that from people who actually don't watch boxing, don't know anything about AJ, don't know anything
Starting point is 00:31:10 about the sport, and it's like, save me the sanctimony, because as you probably know, boxing has been doing fights like this for decades. In 1976, Muhammad Ali, who was the heavyweight champion of the world, went to Japan and fought a guy named Antonio Onoki in a mixed rules pro wrestling match. In 1975, after the Rumble in the Jungle, George Foreman, after losing to Ali, Went to Toronto, Maple Leaf Gardens on a Saturday afternoon and fought five jobbers. Like, this stuff happens. And so I don't think this is. Wait, what?
Starting point is 00:31:38 Yeah, yeah. He fought five people on the same day, a jobber. Do you know what a job is? It's pro wrestling terminology. I thought it was guys with jobs. No, no. It's like guys who are just like sort of jabroney guys. Tomato can guys. Tomato cans, jobbers, pro wrestling terminology.
Starting point is 00:31:51 I think it's a stain. I don't think it's a stain on boxing. I think it's a stain on a bit on the business of boxing that Anthony Joshua could get more for this fight than he's ever gotten before. that Inganu can go into boxing and make more money boxing than he can, like in an MMA where he's a legitimate champion. Big platforms like Netflix want big-time fights. They want spectacles, right? And I feel like this is a spectacle.
Starting point is 00:32:16 Did I ever think this was going to happen? That I think this was going to happen in the year 2025? Did I think that AJ's next fight coming off the Dubois knockout at Wembley would be against Jake Paul? No. Did I think Jake Paul would pick AJ? No. The whole thing is a is a sort of like mind-blown. spectacle and I can't wait. I have the, I don't know how I got this, but I have the honor of hosting
Starting point is 00:32:36 the press conference. Well, you got it because you're the best journalist anywhere to be found in combat sports. Everyone knows this for those who do not know what your resume is. For many, many years, he has been applying a journalistic, a rigid, journalistic, strict standard to a sport and sports that do not want it. And so you have had your tensions with Dana White and others because you insist on covering the sport in an honorable way, and that way you're a bit of a rose growing in a sewer, just insisting that there be journalistic standards. But let me play some sound for you here,
Starting point is 00:33:12 since we just mentioned Inganu and Dana White. This is on the flagrant podcast. Listen to Dana White here talking about Ngano, and you tell me what your thoughts are here. Francis Nganyu is a bad guy. He's not a good guy. He plays the whole, I don't understand the language
Starting point is 00:33:30 and he tries to come off like he's a nice guy, you know what I mean? And people go all, the language barrier probably, no. There's no, there's no language barrier with this guy. So he's going in to fight Stepe Miochich in Boston
Starting point is 00:33:44 and he knows he's going to kill Stepe. So after the press conference, we're walking down this hallway and he comes over to me and he grabs me. His English is f***ing great. When this fight's over, they're going to book me a private plane
Starting point is 00:33:57 to Paris. And I said, I laughed. And so, yeah, he goes, I'm not joking. Okay. Steve Miochitz beats the fucking shit out of him. That ended that whole conversation. I should have fucking cut him that day. So then, you know, when you're an athlete that's signed by the UFC, you know, you get
Starting point is 00:34:16 full access to the Performance Institute. And he comes up to my office. And he was pissed off that he didn't get a $50,000 bonus in his last fight, that he didn't get the bonus of the night and I said Francis you didn't get it because this that and he's in my office and he's arguing with me the conversation's over I'm starting to leave and he grabs me by my shirt and like pushes me back in my office and I said dude get your hands off me I could see in this guy's face and in his eyes and in the way he's acting who this guy really is you know now now he's over and he's done a deal with PFL and
Starting point is 00:34:52 Saudi Arabia I'm sure they wish they never signed him Ngano has never slapped his wife in public that I know of. Dana White calling anybody a bad guy is rich, but Dana White, because he's rich, always has these problems with Randy Couture and others. Every objection that he had to Engano there was Inganu wanting more money. That's how you get objections from Dana White. What are your thoughts on what you just heard there? So, yeah, Dana has had this longstanding feud with Francis Inganu. It's important to know. So I reached out to Francis. I haven't heard back yet regarding this. I wanted to be. know how real it was. I do know the timeline. The interaction that he is talking about is following his win over Alistair Overeem in, I believe, off the top of my head, it was 2016 going into 2017, or either 2017 going into 2018. And that was the fight that got him a title shot against Steve A. Meachich when they fought off the top of my head, it was UFC 220. Point is, throughout that buildup
Starting point is 00:35:53 Dana was so he was so steadfast and he was so energetic and so passionate about his promotion of Francis and Ganu that Stepe was actually so disrespected that when he beat Francis in their title fight their first
Starting point is 00:36:09 title fight he took the belt from Dana as he was about to wrap it around his waist and gave it to his coach and he felt like that was the proper thing to do because this guy had disrespected him in the buildup and so my mind goes to the place where it's like if you were so, if something happened between you guys, why did you promote him so well? And then why did you promote him multiple times? Why did you give him a title shot during the pandemic? And he
Starting point is 00:36:31 beat Stebe? And why did you try so hard to sign him when he was at the end of his contract? And why did you try, why did you sit him for a year when he beat Surreal Gun and kept him to that exclusivity period? If you were, if you were, if you hated him so much, why did you want to be in business with this guy for four or five years later? If he was such a bad guy, why did you want keep him around because he makes it seem in that in that interview with andrew shultz he makes it seem like you know i wanted to cut him after the steep a fight but my matchmakers told me to keep him my question is if he was such a crappy guy if he was such a horrible human being if he did the things that you are accusing him doing it i wasn't there so who the hell knows why did you want to be in
Starting point is 00:37:08 business with him for four or five more years and why were you so upset when he turned down the the the fight offer from the ufc as ufc champion and walked away and you took the belt away from him. Why does it bother you? It bothers him because he didn't stick around. It bothers him because he rebuffed their offer and he went on to fight Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua and once in the PFL. And so since then, he has been on this, I don't know, this thing, this campaign, this media tour to slander Francis. And I don't know why he's bringing it up all these years later, but you have to ask him. You are in town for 24 hours for Paul Joshua. And I don't know in your service of this role if you're allowed to say just flatly,
Starting point is 00:37:46 what you really think of this fight or whether you have to sell the chance that the possibility that jake paul can win this fight i don't have to sell anything i don't work for jake pa i don't work for mvp the promotion uh i'm hired by netflix and uh even i'll be honest with you dan like i'll shoot with you here even the role that i'm in today i feel a little uncomfortable because i think that you know i can promote i can have fun with it but i'm not a promoter i am not involved in the transaction here and historically the guy standing at the dais is the promoter, is the Bob Aaron, the Dana White, the Vince McMahon, the whatever, and they kind of used me in this spot. They ask me to do it. And out of respect, I say yes, and it's a big
Starting point is 00:38:25 opportunity. It's Netflix and all this stuff. So I have to sometimes answer questions from people where they're like, well, you're on the take or you're on the payroll. I don't get paid anything. In fact, I've turned down multiple things from promoters because I don't want that conflict of interest. So I feel like it's important to say that. That being said, I think this is a, I think if Jake Paul beats Anthony Joshua, I think it's one of the biggest upsets in the history of boxing. The odds wouldn't suggest that, but are you telling me that Jake Paul was more accomplished than Buster Douglas? He wasn't. And I'm not going to get into like, what's the bigger upset, but like this is a Herkulean task on his hands. Anthony Joshua is still a very, very good
Starting point is 00:39:03 fighter. His last fight was for the belt. And there is nothing in Jake's, in Jake Paul's resume that would suggest that he can knock him out or beat him, but he's going to go for it. And I have a lot respect for him, you know, for picking this opponent because he could have picked anyone. This is Jake Paul trying to earn our respect, no? I just think the reason that I think it's crazy is because of the leap between what he's been fighting and this. Like, he has to earn your respect with this, even if he gets knocked out in the first round because you shouldn't step in with this person.
Starting point is 00:39:34 But here's the risk. There's so many risks here. The risk is if he gets knocked down in the first round, the whole thing comes crumbling down. Like the whole Jake Paul experience, there's going to be no demand to see him. But if he gets into the fourth round and you're like, oh, this is closer than I thought. Because he's lost before, and I don't think any of this is. Yeah, he lost a close decision to Tommy Fury and Saudi Arabia on a Sunday night. No one even remembers it.
Starting point is 00:39:53 And since then, he's got some great wins. He hasn't been like knocked the F out. And so I think that that's what everyone is dying to see. And I think that the whole thing comes crumbling down. Here's the problem. If the fight goes past the second round, you know, Francis lost to Jake in the second, excuse me, France lost to Anthony Joshua in the second round and got absolutely obliterate. right i mean it was shocking francis had never been rocked knocked down or knocked out that was shocking
Starting point is 00:40:19 to you because it wasn't shocking the only reason it's not shocking to me is because look he's and ganu's great for a striker he's got a good chin and and he doesn't get he had just gone the distance with tyson fury and and knocked him down and so i didn't think that a j would do that to him but he took that task very very seriously and so the the issues that they're facing is if jake somehow survives and goes the distance everyone's going to be like ah the fix was in. And if AJ somehow makes it to the seventh and can't knock him out until the seventh or eighth, everyone's going to be like, ah, AJ held him up. And so, and if, if Jake somehow pulls off the great upset, everyone's going to fix it. I feel like he's damned if he does and
Starting point is 00:40:58 damned if he doesn't here. The only, the only result that I feel like the public is going to be okay with is an Anthony Joshua demolition of Jake Paul in a round or two. And that's a tough spot to be in. And so I hope it's competitive. I hope it's close. I hope it's fun. I hope it's a war, but I honestly, in my heart of hearts, have no idea what to expect here because it's just so off the wall crazy. But that's what the money's for, right? The money, the 70 million is, thank you, Mike, is for, hey, yeah, you're going to be kind of lose-lose situation if you take him to the eighth round or if you're knocking him out on
Starting point is 00:41:30 the fourth, like, whatever it is, that's what the money's for. But also, this is kind of the end game for Jake Paul. There's nobody higher that he can go to and be like, who else am I going to fight? He already called out in Ganu before the AJ thing. Now it's AJ. who's better right now to fight Jake Paul? Like, what's the next level? I mean, he had a deal with Kenola Alvarez.
Starting point is 00:41:48 They were this close. Is Canello better than AJ in the pound-for-pound ranking? Sure. Some would suggest, certainly, you know, before the Terrence Crawford fight and this fight was supposed to happen in May. There's always someone, and Jake doesn't really play
Starting point is 00:41:59 with the same deck of cards as everyone else. Remember, he was supposed to fight Tank Davis this past Friday. That was the original fight. I'm infinitely more interested in this fight than the tank fight. Oh, but the tank... So the part that I find interesting about the... What he chose to do with what I believe will be the punctuation of this part of the story.
Starting point is 00:42:19 I thought he was going to lose to Tank, and Tank is 134 pounds. What's Joshua going to fight at? They haven't done the weigh in yet. He's going to fight at $2.50? They said he can't weigh above $2.45. Okay. The last time he weighed in that region was 22, his rematch against Alexander Usik. The last time he weighed in against Dubai was $252.
Starting point is 00:42:40 So it's not a huge drop, but there is some sort of limitation. He can't go in there, you know, at 265. But I thought Tank was the best fight, not skill-wise. Is the best fighter he was going to fight skill-wise, and now he's doing that 100 pounds heavier. Yeah. It's a wild thing because the tank thing, no one else would, like, no fighter who's fighting at Cruiserator heavyweight would pick a lightweight.
Starting point is 00:43:05 That's what Tank Davis is, a 135-pounder. And so the question going into that fight was, this guy is infinitely more talented and skilled than this guy, but this guy is that much bigger than this guy. So does the skill outweigh the size? Here, he's now going for a guy who's around, you know, 45 to 50 pounds bigger than him. He'll probably end up, I think, being like 25 to 30 in the end,
Starting point is 00:43:26 but also that much more skilled as well. And so, you know, some people like to bring up AJ's chin. I don't subscribe to that. He did get, you know, he did get stopped by Andy Ruiz many, many years ago, and then there was the Dubois fight the last one in September. but I just don't know if Jake has that pop in his hands to knock him down and knock him out. He's going to have to try to survive. And again, I feel for Jake in this one because, yes, I know he's getting paid and he doesn't need my sympathy.
Starting point is 00:43:50 But like, even if he does survive, I know what the narrative is going to be in the aftermath. It'll be the same as the Connor fight with Floyd Mayweather. And I don't think that's fair. Floyd was carrying him around for any of that. By the way, like, I don't think people recognize this. You go to, you go to federal, as Dana White likes to say, federal F in prison if you work a fight. Like, if you work a fight, you go to prison. And the UFC is involved in their own issue right now with a fighter potentially throwing a fight, Isaac Dalgarian.
Starting point is 00:44:16 Like, it is not worth it, especially on Netflix. You think Netflix wants to be involved in a worked fight like this? No. So, yeah, I think AJ's going to go out there. AJ already has a deal on the table. I know this for a fact to fight in February. Wait a minute. He happens to know?
Starting point is 00:44:28 You happen to know. He just said he happens to know for a fact. He happens to know for a fact. Scott, he happens to know for a fact. Gather everyone. Get the choose. children he happens to know that's good stuff I'm sorry so wise you happen to know what for a fact what do you know for a fact oh that he has a fight in uh February so he doesn't want to screw
Starting point is 00:44:52 this up he actually has two fights on the table for next year well the fact the fact that he would be fighting against again in February suggests that he doesn't believe this is going to go more than around like he would not normally fight again a couple of months later well actually he did have a fight scheduled for December, potentially in Africa, it was going to be like a tune-up fight. It was going to be like an eight-round tune-up fight against a fighter, dare I say, a jobber that you've never heard of. And now the brilliance of all this, like, AJ just stepped in S-H-I-Chieve. Am I allowed to say that? I don't know. I don't know. You didn't say it. You just spelled it. But yeah, you can say it. You can say it. You're talking about
Starting point is 00:45:25 shit? Yeah. I didn't know what the rules were around here. Anyway, he's now going to get, like, I don't know, 10x. And he's going to fight, as opposed to fighting on DeZone. And, and in front of six people, God knows where, no one's tuning into that. He's fighting on Netflix, biggest platform in the world, in a massive arena here in the United States, just a second fighting in the United States, like, and it's comparable
Starting point is 00:45:47 skill, potentially. You know what I mean? Like, Jake, Jake is still a novice in this game. He still has less than 15 fights on his resume. No amateur fights. Actually, just won against a YouTuber. Point is, it's an unbelievable turn of events for Anthony Joshua. On Fox 1, you can
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Starting point is 00:47:11 A thousand impersonations. That's not bad, man. Finally. Not terrible. Pretty good. Stugats. Yours is terrible. You just got to get a little redder, a little pinker.
Starting point is 00:47:23 You're right there, man. Yours is not. You're Biden. What do you mean? Oh, his is good, Dave. That's actually not bad. This is good. That's not terrible.
Starting point is 00:47:32 You got to come together. A little southern twang there. Well, George Bush in that one. This is the Dan Levitar show with the Stugats. When you say, because you didn't want to do the rankings of greatest upsets, but I will say, if Jake Paul beats this person, it will be what Buster Douglas did to Mike Tyson. Like, this is not, Buster Douglas was a professional,
Starting point is 00:48:05 a fighter who was ready for that fight. Mike Tyson obviously and famously wasn't ready for that fight a number of different ways, including having a stand-up comic in his corner as part of the training regiment. But Jake Paul taking this fight and doing all of this is among the most surprising things I've seen in boxing. I don't think somebody with these credentials has ever fought someone like Anthony Joshua.
Starting point is 00:48:32 I know thrown in as meat, yes, not co-headle. Yeah, thrown in specifically to you lose, yes, but never as the payday. Like, this is not an Anthony Joshua payday. This is a Jake Paul payday for Anthony Joshua. That's crazy. He's the A side. Like, his name is first on the poster. It's absolutely wild.
Starting point is 00:48:52 And it's a spectacle. It's fun. It's entertainment. It's prize fighting. At the end of the day, that's why I get so upset, especially in the UK. I'm seeing all these pundits over there saying AJ's ruining his legacy and it's ruining the sport and this is a stain on boxing and all this nonsense. boxing is prize fighting and here's the one thing if you want to bring up one thing to be upset about
Starting point is 00:49:11 say like hey from a health and safety perspective like you have to be actually concerned that this guy is going to get obliterated Jake and if you're team MVP like you have to have that on your conscience like our guy can get obliterated and that's the only concern in my opinion the rest is all just you know sanctimonious hand-wringing the real question is what's going to happen in the welterweight division of the ufc we had a massive two-division championship with Islamakashv. All of a sudden, everything underneath that, Balaw, Kamar Usman's name getting brought up, Jack J.D.M. Is it another rematch?
Starting point is 00:49:43 Do we have Carlos Brathas kind of making his way in there? We're Shafkat Rahmanov. We need to find him. What's going on with the World War II Division, Ariel? Could you imagine? This guy, when I met him seven years ago, it was saying Connor Mac Greger, and now he's asking me about Shafkat Rahmanov. I'm just proud. I'm proud. And Connor says hello. GC says, oh my guy.
Starting point is 00:50:01 So we have a huge fight tomorrow. As you know, by the way, Armin versus Hooker, who do you have there? Oh my gosh. What a big fight. You know, I like to abstain from predictions. I know you do, but I want to put you in spot. You're on my turf now. Well, the fighters are so sensitive.
Starting point is 00:50:13 They will see this clip and be like, no, you picked against me. I'm never coming on your show. So it's just not worth it as much as I love you. Well, you and Armin are already on bad terms. No, no, no, no. Armin and I are good. It's the Islam crew that don't like me. And we could get into that another day.
Starting point is 00:50:26 Armin and I are good. I love Armin and I love Hooker, too. Balal doesn't like me. Getting in into that later. Epstein thing, it was weird. That was wild. Ian Gary against Bilal Muhammad is a huge fight. We have Michael Morales who did great last week. Stunner, by the way. We obviously have
Starting point is 00:50:41 Islam, who is the new champion, and you have Carlos Prachas. Kamar Usman's trying to wedge himself into this discussion. It's like a four, five horse race, and I think at the end of all of it, Islam's going to get to choose. And quite frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if he picks Kamar Usman because they're buddies and they're managed by the same guy, and I think that's a travesty and a joke
Starting point is 00:50:59 if he gets a title shot next. So you think there's a little bit of home cooking with a Absolutely. Abdel. Abdel. It's a tough name. Wow. Oh, that praise that area was giving you too.
Starting point is 00:51:11 Wow. Here I am. You got to respect. I'll bail you out. All right. Work the phones during this aerial second. Ali Abdelaziz. I got some good stuff here.
Starting point is 00:51:23 Lane Kiffin has a verbal agreement with both schools, Florida and LSU. It would be for a record-setting salary. Now, on the LSU side, it would be a massive. NIL package because, quote, Lane does not want to recruit, and that is what Ed Ors Ron would be for. Now, LSU is highly skeptical thinking that they are being used right now. However, they know that they have a path to Lane's heart, and that is with Lane's son, who is a recruit, and the thought is Lane's son wants LSU. Is Lane Kiffin a fighter? Who's Lane Kiffin?
Starting point is 00:51:53 I'll catch you up during the br-surging middleweight. Now, Ole Miss is furious. Furious, like straight up. Ole Miss wants to fire Lane Kiffin because they're being dragged through this during the college football playoff. Who are your sources here? How do you know all of this? He happens to know.
Starting point is 00:52:10 And also Lane's daughter is dating an LSU player, correct? There's the honky badger. Now, the feeling is we're going to know one way or another today. Wow. Wow. On Lane Kiffin. Now, Lane Kiffin is in total control of this timeline.
Starting point is 00:52:27 He has the college football world by the balls. He has both these schools knowing he is plan A, and they have to go all. Like, Lane Kiffin's not being scared by John Sumerall here. Lane Kiffin, I think we're reaching a point of no return. I think the goose is cooked. He's not going to Ole Miss. Is he related to Pat Sumerall?
Starting point is 00:52:47 He spells it different. Every time I hear you say Sumerall, I think the same thing. It's Sumral, not Somerall. So I expect a decision real soon here on the Lane Kiffin front because, like, this is unsustainable. Did you just report that he's got a. oral commitment with both schools? Yeah, the deal, like the deal points in terms of money, all that stuff and NIL commitment, all that stuff has worked out. He has a verbal agreement on the working points of the contract with both schools. Now, it's genuinely about what he wants for
Starting point is 00:53:17 his family and what he thinks is a better spot. Is this a Levitart exclusive right now? And seeing if he can pinch either of these schools to throw more in there. He's the happen to know guy. That's where when he says happen to know, when you say you happen to know something, you have the credibility to... I'm sorry, I'm not trying to belittle your reporting. I just didn't know that we were in the midst of... You were questioning it. When it gets like regurgitated, am I going to be grouped in like during the
Starting point is 00:53:39 Ariel Hawani segment, Lane, what's his name? Kaifan. Okay, it's not messing with us. I don't know. I legit don't know who that is. Okay. I was waiting for the bit. Okay, what's the bit here? Let's do something you do know about in football.
Starting point is 00:53:51 Josh Allen has nine, nine interceptions in his last eight games, okay? And a lot of people are pointing out, for example, that Jalen Hertz is thrown just two interceptions in his last 528 attempts, you can't turn the ball over. Your team has so many flaws in so many places that you need your quarterback to be a little extra reckless. He won the MVP, not being reckless, but they're asking him to do an awful lot. Last night, he gets sacked eight times. They have three turnovers, and now they've given up the division. What is the status of your bill's tiers? Because if they don't win the conference this year, when the hell are they going to win it?
Starting point is 00:54:29 Okay, well, first of all, division isn't lost. Let's not get crazy. I know you guys are, you know, in the rear view mirror, but it's not lost. It's not lost. We've had some bad moments, and I still believe in the boys, but this is how I feel on this Friday morning after that disgusting performance. That was disgusting yesterday. Like, there's no reason why they should have lost to that team.
Starting point is 00:54:48 Who is Davis Mills? I don't even know who that guy is. What is going on here? Not a good quarterback. Davis Mills had never won consecutive games in 26 starts. It's before the last three. Ridiculous. If him and this lane guy were sitting in front of me, I'd say, like, where's my Uber Eats? I have no idea who you are.
Starting point is 00:55:04 You'd be weirded out by Davis Mills' neck. Here's the thing. I love the bills. I love the team. I love the organization. But the time has come to make a change. The time has come. They should have made a change long ago if I'm being under full of course.
Starting point is 00:55:19 The time has come. The time has come. Why does he look less intelligent when he wears glasses? Here's the thing. We've had so many. Like, I don't believe in the window being closed. Josh is still in his 20s. Remember John Elway won when he was like 38 or something like that.
Starting point is 00:55:32 So Josh has many opportunities. But you can't, I thought the time came after 13 seconds. You know what I'm talking about? I thought the time came when you lost to the Bengals at home in the playoffs. I thought the time came when you lost to the Chiefs at home in the playoffs. You've been firing McDermott for three years? I'm a basketball connoisseur. Are you familiar with the game of basketball?
Starting point is 00:55:50 I am. And there was a time back in 2018 that the Toronto Raptors had on their head. hands, the NBA coach of the year, his name was Dwayne Casey, right? And Masayu Jiri said, you keep losing to the Cleveland Cavaliers. You keep getting us to the Eastern Conference finals and not getting us over the hump. And so what did they did? They made a very tough call. They fired him the season he won coach of the year and brought in Nick Nerson. Of course, they brought in Kauai Leonard as well. I believe, I believe, I believe, though, small detail, small detail. And LeBron left the conference. Listen, my point is, I believe that there are times when a coach has taken you as far as
Starting point is 00:56:24 they can take you, right? The Knicks made that determination with Tibbs. I thought a little bit early, but the point is, that happens in sports. And I think Sean McDermott has taken them as far as they can go with him at the helm. And it is very frustrating to see that McDermott and Bean did not do anything to improve the wide receiver core. I can't believe we didn't, we didn't update it, we didn't upgrade it, I should say, at the trade deadline. The defense is putrid, special teams is bad. The offensive line is porous at best. You have the best quarterback in the league on your hands, and you've done nothing to put pieces around him to succeed and excel. James Cook has been tremendous, but the rest has been very disappointing. And so I think we need to make a
Starting point is 00:57:06 change as we go into the new era with the new stadium. They don't win at Houston. They've had trouble with that. You've got to kind of win the game when Shakir goes for 100 yards and your running back goes for 100 yards. We are better than the Houston Texans. Even with the bad defense and the bad wide receivers and all this stuff. We are better than these guys. We're better than the Dolphins. We're better than the Patriots too. There aren't a lot of teams in the league that are winning a road game when they're getting
Starting point is 00:57:30 sacked eight times and turning the ball over the three. Ariel, you lost head-to-head to the Patriots. That makes them better. I have to remain consistent on it. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. We'll get them back in December and we lost to you guys too, and that was one of the most embarrassing performances. What does it look like when you're watching that game last night in front of the television?
Starting point is 00:57:48 I am so sad. because I feel like we are so damn close to finally realizing this and quite I've been a Bill's fan since 1990 I don't even want this for myself I don't even want this so I can gloat I want it for the good people of Western New York
Starting point is 00:58:01 like they are some of the greatest people that I've ever been around the greatest experience like so loyal this is all they have their fan base is also wildly generous too they're beautiful people yeah they deserve this happiness they truly do I want it for them
Starting point is 00:58:15 and I want it for Josh and they are man it's it's heartbreaking because I feel like we are right there but sometimes you've got to make these tough calls, and you got to shake things up, and I feel like now's the time to shake it up. Always a pleasure to see and be around Ariel Hohani. If you're not familiar with his information, it is the best in the business. Can I say one last quick thing?
Starting point is 00:58:33 I know we work short on time. I'm looking at this right here, and so I want to say, I feel like this is the most appropriate time to say it. Famously, with you guys, during the pandemic, I had a debate with David Sampson. And I just want to send my best to David and his family. much love and I'm thinking of you and I'm pulling for you guys and I'd like to say right here and now I consider David a friend I I've come a very long way since that debate same that's crazy that that's happened with you that's that might be the greatest that might be the greatest conquest of David Samson's life to go from how David and the Samson family how it is that you
Starting point is 00:59:10 used to feel about him to how you feel about I felt like he killed my baseball team and I thought he actually came across same well on the Netflix documentary and I think that he doesn't deserve the blame that he has gotten. And I'd like to say that, David, I love you. I'm pulling for you and your family. You know how I feel about you now. We've buried the hatchet. And yeah, I saw the logo right over there. And I just wanted to say that there is no feud. There is no feud anymore. Put your arms down everyone in Montreal. David's not the bad guy. He was made out to be the bad guy. And I have seen the light. Stunning development. Really stunning. We have less than a minute left. So the place that I want to just rummage around in and really
Starting point is 00:59:48 hurt for Tony, and is Tony was very eager to impress you there with his... I don't know if I was eager to impress Ariel. You can hear the eagerness. I had it and... That confidence in this guy. Alia delaziz.
Starting point is 01:00:02 The problem is I switched to B and I switched to... Layout, Tony, please back off. No, no, I'm going to back off. I'm back off. I just want Ariel to hear again what you were trying to say as the last words in your conversation in which you were going to express to Ariel how much you now know about
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