The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Local Hour: All About The Bing, All About The Bong

Episode Date: May 13, 2025

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Zaslow's been on a heater here for months and he can't show up for work enough in enough places to get money because he wasn't even supposed to be here today love money that scene is usually occupied by somebody who also loves money and and there's been some turbulence in the air the people are asking about where's to god's where's to god's i was just talking with zaslow and there's been some turbulence in the air that people are asking about. Where's Stugatz? Where's Stugatz? And I was just talking with Zaslow and Cody

about how lovely it is to watch them build businesses. That Zaslow's got his show and it's a business, Cody's got his show and it's a business, and Stugatz has his shows and they're a business. And so we haven't reported this because people have been yelling and screaming in public, wondering about Stugatz and St gots has been missing a lot But Stu gots wants to follow his daughter around

Late in life and Stu gots is signed here to a contract that allows him to live the rest of his life the way that He deserves to that he's earned Because this thing has been built so that we can all get to freedom But his freedom makes it so that we need him after the single biggest thing the Knicks have done in 25 years and he simply can't physically get here because over the last four years it's been hard to physically get him here. So I ask you Mike, what am I to do today as the Knicks have not felt this good in 25 years. That viewing experience of New York Boston is going to resonate across the country as a big series because holy shit New

York's an underdog. What are you talking about? New York the Knicks have been a laughingstock for 25 years and they've got the champs on the brink with the smallest conqueror that there is in the sport that dude jaylen brunson has become a superstar and i tried to tell this story last week and never got to the ending when game one happened i didn't know who to root for at the end of the game i found myself rooting for boston because i've hated the the nicks for a long time and i'm like wow i did not know that was there that's surprising and then game two started and I'm like, I'm falling in love with Brunson.

How is this happening? How am I falling in love with a Knick? And from right then on, the next three games, I find myself, I want Boston to cry. What I want the most is for Boston to cry. What did you turn that around? Let the hate flow through you. Wow.

And I guess you were alluding to the fact that, I mean, Sugatsa is purportedly a Knicks fan. You I guess you were alluding to the fact that, I mean, Sugatsa is purportedly a Knicks fan. You got the biggest Knicks fan on the planet right here with you, pal. Bing bong, I'm so in on this. I'm straight up rooting for the Knicks. Let's go Knicks.

I've been rooting for the Knicks from day one. I was going to New York, going to New York, go. I gotta tell you, I don't even recognize myself because it's the greatest compliment that I can give in the sport that does such a good job with the stories. Holy shit, Jalen Brunson, I'm late to this party. You have beaten the respect out of me even though I'd want your fan base to suffer.

Like, I cannot give a player a greater compliment than that when I want New York fans to hurt and I'm like, oh man, they got the beloved one and no one saw him coming. So now New York gets to identify, this is amazing, as loud as these people have been for 25 years without winning anything, New York gets to identify as the underdog. You've gotta be shitting me, the beloved underdog, Nix.

Oh, how great are these crowd shots? You see Starbury over there getting the close-up, Spreewell. Why is there no other team that has that, where the former players sit courtside, and not just sit there and watch the game? They're on the floor cheering and jumping around. No other team in sports has that. It's like seeing the University of Miami players come back and be on the floor cheering and jumping around. No other team in sports has that.

It's like seeing the University of Miami players come back and be on the sidelines. Only because they're beating the Boston Celtics. I wish those Miami Hurricanes could line up against the Boston Celtics. Marbury loves the Knicks so much. Last night was one of the greatest nights of my life. WFAT! This is the Dan LeBattor Show with the StuGuts Podcast. I don't recognize what's happening around here. Billy, Tony, Chris, I'm gonna need some help because we are full on bandwagon Knicks fans.

I can't believe that this has happened. And I'm, do you understand what I'm saying, Cody? When I say I've never had a viewing experience that made me feel that particular thing over four games where who am I rooting for? I don't know who I'm rooting for. Let me see some game play out. Oh, is that what's rising up in me i'd like boston to win at the end i'd like but i'd like

tatum to get his moment i'd brunson's had a lot of moments he can be can wait a couple of years uh... tatum is a champion now and i'd like to see improve it that's where i was game one and then it all changed cause the smallest guy is beating a guy that's now injured and boston suffering today because the most overwhelming champion the league of team that made it look easy last year is in big trouble because their best players are are hurt they are unlikely to be able to overcome this particular deficit and nix fans are

in position in the garden possibly for the first time since 1999 to witness a closeout game and it'll be on Boston as a giant underdog I think the big question there with what you just said that they have a chance to close out a team at the Mecca for the first time since 1999. Are there still enough balloons and confetti in the Raptors since they seemingly used them all in that one win they had against the Miami Heat? Are there enough

balloons and confetti left over? Let's talk about Nick's history for a second because beloved Jalen Brunson is a national phenomenon now. You cannot see how the game has changed. See J'll get you exhausted talk about shea gilder's alexander and anthony edwards without now saying what new york's been saying for a minute hey why isn't jaylen brunson in this conversation is it because it's like college football we decide who the mvp's are before the season in the preseason rankings and then when someone shows us something and slays a giant,

we won't allow Jalen Brunson to climb into the conversation of, well, is this a franchise changer like Yanis? If what you're getting is fourth quarter, you know, you're a guy, you trust him. And you can ride that for five years. You've got the guy that in the fourth quarter, I don't know that Boston has that. The guy that in the fourth quarter, you know, know that Boston has that. That. The guy that in

the fourth quarter you know as a fan base. He's our guy, we trust him even if he misses. Yes, let him take all the shots. The reason I recognize it is because Dwayne Wade was that once upon a time. There's some good irony last night, right? Where before the game they're showing the Mavericks room celebrating it, getting the number one overall pick. And it's like, oh yeah, they could have had Brunson for $55 million. Not $55 million a year, mind you. $55 million for the duration of the contract extension. Mav's had a good draft that year.

They had a Slovenian guy who was pretty good, Luka Dončić, and then Brunson. So I'm going to be forced in this day and age. You guys tell me if I have this incorrect, because in 2025, it feels like the transaction and the numbers have dwarfed everything. And so I believe it's possible that if I put these stories next to each other and ask the audience, which is the bigger item today

that you would like to discuss? Holy shit, the Mavericks, that's funny. The transaction, or holy shit, New York and Boston, top of the food chain, can the Knicks win a championship because if teams start getting inexperienced and injured on both sides, all you've got to do is be one of the last four standing and you can get what is a lucky break on Tatum That was awful to watch I think most people want to see champions be champions and be able to defend their throne

I believe while Nick's fans might selfishly be happy that with the dehumanization of I'd like to see a great athlete Rithing because his Achilles hurt my sports fandom is so not human i wanna look at jason tatum and be happy that my teams can advance because it has a better chance i think most sports fans like that stinks nobody wants to see it happen that way well to to watch jason tatum in a wheelchair

sobbing with his head in his hands was heartbreaking i don't care if you're a nix fan it was hard because the's going to come back in the game? That's usually the precedent for Boston. Yeah, okay, that's fair. That's fair. But I want to, I am the exception to your unified bandwagon theory. Okay, the best story in sports is going to be Boston winning three in a row without Jason Tatum. If that happens, that's the best story in sports. I continue to be a closeteltic bank as they were my first team uh... sam jones have a check bill ross back in my day hold on a minute get this music hold on a second chris cody let's get let's get let's see the stage

to original celtics and greg cody so he could talk about the uh... halcyon days of carl you strength ski well you you you laugh but you let's get the music here for back in my... Yeah, go ahead. Tell us all about how once upon a time, traitorous Greg Cody loved the Boston Celtics because he has no taste. Okay, Bill Russell, the greatest champion in the history of sports and later a champion off the court. Sam Jones with those bank shots off the glass from the corner. What a player he was, underrated.

John Havlicek, Hondo, they just had a wonderful team back then. It made me, this is decades before the Miami Heat, it made me fall in love with basketball. So yeah, to this day, I go back in my day as an original Celtics fan, and I still root for the Celtics. Unlike yourself, Dan, I don't change my allegiance just because somebody had a big game. And by the way, Jason Tatum last night, I believe, had 42 points or something. So he's he's capable of leading that team to a championship.

But will he get the chance? Of course not. Will the Celtics win without him? I wouldn't write them off. Greg, quick question. So on the Sam Jones, he's got the bank shot from the corner. How did that mathematically... What you were describing there makes no sense. I was totally thinking the same thing. Let me explain something to you because this...

Cornerish. Look, man, Greg Cody loves nothing better than to tell a yarn from a time no one remembers so you can't change any of the details because he didn't actually see Will Chamberlain's first game. He just remembers that way. I remember seeing it. So Sam Jones you might not remember him Tony because it was 40 years before your time but yes he would frisbee the basketball several loops around the backboard and then it would go in that's how Greg Cody remembers it nobody's old enough to question him about it. Okay when I say a bank shot from the corner I

mean the corner-ish okay like, like he was not obviously... So like the wing. Yeah, the wing, but the point is he would take intentional bank shots. That was his style. It's like when the guy shoots from the corner and it winds up graze in the backboard. He goes, that's bullshit. He didn't mean to do that. But he did it every time. Wow. Incredible player. Yeah, Sam Jones though was a bank shot artist, believe me.

And so the Celtics gonna roar back without Tatum, win three in a row. This is a little strange to hear, is it not? Because I don't think anybody thinks that. Boston fans don't think that right now, right? Boston fans do not think that they are going to rally in this series. Okay, somebody has to save the NBA and NBA fans

from a Timberwolves-Pacers final. Somebody has to save the league. And that guy's Peyton Pritchard. And the TV network, what a player. Sixth man of the year, now fifth man of the year. There's only one Sam Jones that matters. It's Tateum's character. And that's Kim Cattrall's character from Sex and the City

because it's all about New York right now. It is all about Nixon Five right now. It's all about the Bing and it's all about the bong. Please Billy, let's rise up on behalf of New York. I can't believe I'm saying it. Me, rise up on behalf of New York? I believe- You guys are kind of embarrassing yourselves.

Yeah, I think so too. If I'm gonna be honest with you. We're talking about. You guys are big Heat fans. Oh, the Heat, the Knicks, which by the way, I don't think Knicks- Only one Heat fan here, by the way. Knicks fans never think about the Heat ever,

just for the record. Like they do not think that it's a rivalry the way that you guys Think that the next thing is a rivalry And now all of a sudden you're here and your number one Nick's fans. Yeah, I don't Understand you guys so here's how I can explain it I once went to the the the darts world championship in the UK I walked in that building and you know what I said immediately guess I love darts now Good guess darts now.

Guess darts are my thing because this is so fun. So I was watching last night. Guess I'm a Knicks guy now because that was so fun. That was a moment that only the Mecha could deliver. I'm totally rooting for the Knicks also, but when the Knicks advance, because I mean Cody, three in a row without Tate, what are you talking about? Yeah, it'll happen. When the Knicks advance, because I mean Cody, three in a row without Tate, what are you talking about? Yeah, it'll happen. When the Knicks advance, I'm not rooting for the Knicks anymore, like next round it's over for me. Same, same. Okay, alright. Maybe some residual effect in the Eastern Conference final, because I also hate the

Indiana Pacers too. But you don't want the Knicks to win the championship. No, no, no, no, no, no, I want to, I want to basically want to thread. Because then it'd be a nuts man. No, I want to thread this needle, you know, I want to destroy boss in and enjoy the New York all the fun elements of it. I'm talking I got Chalamet he's all excited. He's great. You got Ben Stiller. He's excited Tracy Morgan's puking on the court. He's excited Anyone else worried about just the city of New York because look if you look at these celebration videos from just this round What are they gonna do?

They're flooding the streets. This is such an amazing thing, honestly, to witness because when Zaslow says, the players are courtside, they have to eject Charles Oakley and the fan base rallies to the side of Charles Oakley because they're like, what's wrong with you, owner of the New York Knicks, Jamesames dolan you don't deserve any of this

oakley's what nix basketball is according to my dad and my grandfather and what nix basketball is in new york even though it's a loser according to my dad and my grandfather is the greatest feeling this city has ever known not in football it used to be baseball then the nix when they grab this city the next exist at the center physically of the city they called mecca

the garden because they're not cool there's nothing like it what new york is about to become and this part is the fun of it for miami because i can respect jaylen brunson i can enjoy the jaylen Brunson brings me the joy of hating the Celtics and enjoying their fans' tears. But in one of the next two rounds, I'm going to see all this loud shut up

by another team that's better than this Knicks team. Knicks don't think about the Heat. What a ridiculous statement that was. Get out of here. Rent free, established, 1988. What are you talking about? They don't think about the Heat. They lose to the Heat constantly.

The Heat have won three titles since they were granted a championship team. The Knicks have one title that they don't shut up about. Of course they think about the Heat. Every free agent they think they're gonna get the Miami Heat get. I mean, they're having their moment right now. Okay, yeah, they're thinking about Boston right now. They don't think about the Heat. I have eyes, I have ears, I watch those games. It still means something.

Oh, you're a Knicks fan. I know, and I think about the Heat non-stop. You all are a bunch of non-Knicks fans. What a bunch of fraudulent Knicks fans you guys are. That's what I'm saying. You guys want to be Nix fans, but you just want to be Nix fans for one more win. That's exactly right. Thank you. You guys are ridiculous.

Oh, you showed me, Billy. Yes. Yes. I'm not trying to show you. I'm trying to understand you guys, and I simply don't. It's about hating the Boston Celtics. That's what it's about. We hate Boston. This is fun. This is a fun team to beat Boston. I mean, I think it's simple as pie. I actually went to bed last night knowing that the Celtics were down 3-1. I went to bed with a smile on my face. I was like this. So happy. I fell asleep like that.

But you're not a Heat fan. We've gone over this for two weeks now. You're a Panthers fan. I slept so well. When's the last time? Hold on, get in that position again. And when is the last time? That's every Panthers night, right? Oh, you better believe it. Okay so I thought I was good with money.

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Don LeBattard! It's a three, the crowd goes into a delusion. Winning in the playoffs not an illusion. It's a heat check, he's on fire. Stugats! Harry Osh, Jalen Bronson Thumbs up clutch that's why we won New York knows you are the best Not the joke no more

This is the Dan Lebatar Show With the Stugats! Billy, you're not wrong. It is wrong. It's immoral of this show that has hated New York for more than 25 years because New Yorkers have infected this town. I feel like we're acknowledging what you point out as a hypocrisy and I would just alert you to the fact that we hate Boston more.

So much more! Well, but this is, but this, I didn't realize. Insistently. See, I'm sorry, but what dawned on me, right? I'm old-timey, alleged, pretending to be objective journalist like Greg Cody here, a dinosaur in the modern age.

And what I don't very often feel, this does not stir inside me very often i haven't felt a form of this feeling since two thousand ten through two thousand fourteen all i'm here for just the hatred i'm here just to see everyone broken by okc holding up the title and we can all walk

away and like look we were losers this year in Miami but you know you know we almost got Cooper flag I mean the only real Heat fan here you're looking at him right now you're listening to him right now I told you I told you guys there's a victory lap two years in the making Tony go to the victory lap room Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, story last night then nix put on the poll jude at lebatard show bigger story last night uh... nix go up three one or uh... dallas gets the pick and then you get the nico story because i i think the transaction has topped the action now people want to talk about the ship it's not about the games it's about the ship to be fair though i think the biggest or from last night is jason tatum might

never be the same you might be out for a full season little i mean this series is one thing. Like the biggest story in the sport was one of the game's biggest stars has an apparent Achilles injury. Well, it's both because I don't think I'm being hyperbolic when I say because of those two things, Tatum's injury and what it means for the future, not just this series,

what it means for the future of the Celtics and the fallout of Dallas getting the number one overall pick. I don't think I'm being hyperbolic when I say, I think the landscape of the league changed last night. As far as the future. It was a moment. It was a moment in time where you can absolutely

circle back and I cannot wait to do the investigation on all the veins that sprouted out from this performance because yes, that was a monumental game for the history of the NBA. I think the landscape of the entire league changed last night. Can we talk about this please? If you guys are actually fascinated,

as I think you are, about the transaction, because Celtics were already talking about changes because just the cutthroat competitiveness of this league where now all the teams need to be better at threes than all the other teams like that. How do you build the machine faster? And what's being built in OKC, Brad Stevens is smart enough and Danny Ainge before him draft pick Hounds where you can get the most valuable thing in sports right now. Fixed costs. Numbers are dominating the game

the hedge funds have come for this sport and they have ruined some parts of sports with all of their numbers in the second baseman holding a card in a line drive over second base isn't a single anymore it's just an out because everyone knows how to play everyone else and the game becomes less fun we are at the middle and zazlow's got this exactly right, exactly right. In all these conversations how do we fix basketball face of the league is it going to be Anthony Edwards, Jason Tatum was applying for the job. Jason Tatum needed to win more

championships, make more moments and he could be face of the league because Magic and and Bird and Michael Jordan and David Stern all made it so that Basketball would be about the stars and the stories Steph's about to be gone LeBron's about to be gone. The league needs to be taken over Jason Tatum is a perfect candidate For face of the league, but this injury is a crusher and on this night or face of the league but this injury is a crusher and on this night losing was a very small part of why this hurts for boston because they were about to change that team anyway could draw holidays older

it was it was three playoffs ago that your holiday was saying out loud i can't guard jimmy butler i want to retire and boston goes and gets him gets porzingis and they build the faster car but it's not faster anymore because what the engine just blew and by the way tatum is likely out at least half of next season but that's why the engine just blew because and and that injuries hard to come back from and kevin durant hasn't quite been the same since he chased the championship this way

because the achilles affects you on defense like when you're saying that what happened last night, when Jason Tatum is crying, I don't know if anyone heard a gunshot, but everyone that I heard from immediately that knows about these things says, yes, that's an Achilles, that's not just a non-contact injury,

that's a brutal injury. And people around, if it is indeed an Achilles, would have heard a sound that doesn't sound human. And it seems like Jason Tatum. Is that noticeable, the sound of it? It can be on it on just an Achilles. If people were there near it they would have heard the sound. It pops and and it feels like a gunshot and the fire that burns through you and I'm just obviously it hasn't happened to me is something that you know immediately oh I'm out for

nine months it and this is I well I shouldn't even say you know immediately all i'm out for nine months it and this is a bit well i shouldn't say you know that immediately first during terrible pain and then you know immediately i know what that is i'm not playing anymore this season i'm i'm finished and i'm crying in a wheelchair because in some ways i'm guessing mike he realizes what you're saying all i'm fighting with five guys for this era of basketball and I just felt behind by nine months. And he was having the game. He was going shot for shot with Jalen Brunson in the NBA playoffs at Madison

Square Garden. He was shushing the haters. He was stepping up to the moment and it was moments like that that would actually put him in that tier. To be fair though, in that moment they were they were not winning that game. They were not winning the game. They were not gonna win that. No they were not winning that game and I guess this will allow Boston fans to kind of if they lose this series it'll soften the blow a little bit because they'll rationalize and maybe the Knicks aren't better. Oh I don't think it's softens the blow at all because their team is never going to be the same. It's never

gonna be the same and you you kinda get a little glimpse into your luck last year well i don't think it's a tatum i don't think it's a tatum would never be the same around him i don't i think no uh... greg you can point about defense is a easy good one you can come back from this bought it it when he's in that wheelchair crying i could trust me when i tell you these these men have great pressure on them because their bodies are economies this injury is one that's feared throughout the sport and it's the one

that kevin durant risked in chasing golden states championships and has never been the same that that i mean you can come back from that certainly a tatum's age he's young enough but what greg says there that he won't ever be the same that is not entirely true I think it might be though and it can be I guarantee you when Tatum went down he knew instantly what the injury was and I would bet big that the thought goes

through his mind this could really wreck if it's an Achilles right they have not actually reported that yet right now some people are saying broken legs so i don't even know if you like like earth but what fractured fibula i mean the abby he is it it looks like it looks like an achilles everyone on the internet seems that he said where everyone's a doctor everyone's a doctor right there i mean it would be a weird uh... broken leg situation but

yet it's a it's a really tough scene for Boston and that's their star player. There are few losses that feel as devastating as that. You probably lost a series, you lost your superstar, you knew that headed into the off season, you were gonna reshape what was a championship team, and now you have all sorts of doubt because I guarantee you the plans were to build this team around Jason Tatum, and now you have a flaw in your plan. Why didn't Missoula just yell for him to get up?

And the other thing Greg Cody that you're saying when you say that Boston might rally, the other thing that all of Boston realized while he was crying in that wheelchair, oh we will not win the championship this year. That ends right here in this wheelchair, oh, we will not win the championship this year. That ends right here in this wheelchair, might as well put our season in it and roll it out because the teams are too good that are remaining. Even if Mobley's out, you can't, this, losing this guy, the third best player in the league

who makes 40 look easy, who is a player not quite Steph Curry, but there haven't been a lot that size in the Durant class of can make 40 look easy and be the third best player in the league. You lose that for the season, your season is over. And if not now, soon. All, everything goes out the window.

We're, Celtics fans are coping with the fact that, okay, we're not dynastic. We're tearing this thing down again. That's the worst part. Like they were supposed to be this unstoppable team again this year, even though they're the two seed. It was gonna be back to back champions. And now, if we're being honest,

are the Celtics winning again anytime soon? Now they might be looking at Outlier dead in the face. And you know, they fear that too, because now you'll look at their championship. Look at everything that broke right for you on your way to that championship. You're getting a little taste of the other teams like your best player goes down, you went through three rounds of that. And as a huge Knicks fan, you love it. Okay, so I want wanna have an honest conversation with you guys because I'm being told here

in my headset by informed sources that they have audio of me not only not being objective, but being a legitimate asshole in something I said that only the audio team has found that is meant to embarrass me. Because before this series started, I made clear that we were sort of watching it just to dislike everybody.

And I can't believe Mike's saying that he's enjoying watching Ben Stiller enjoy himself. At no point in human history have Miami fans rooted for New York celebrities who are courtside, who think they understand that magical Nickicks thing better than anyone does. Well, they've never had Boston on the ropes like this in my entire life in the postseason where Boston means this much to me. So if I'm acting in a way that you've never seen me before, it's because I've never been faced with this precise situation.

The Knicks have not hurt me and also have not hurt you in over half of my life. Not since I was a child. The Knicks have not hurt me in over half of my life. I hurt them. Well that's why people hate the Knicks. They haven't won anything since 1973. Spike Lee was 15 years old and a half a century later there's an entitlement to a Knicks fan's attitude.

There's no magic. Say with your chest. I don't see an entitlement I see excitement they're just happy they're finally always excited they think they're gonna win every year they think they're better than everybody else great guys listen I never before listen I this this goes back away you're a Knicks fan I am for this series I know you should be the one that he's talking about Billy you have why you have such a hard time understanding what's happening here? You're supposed to be Knicks fans.

You're supposed to take offense to this insulting thing he's saying about you for this series. I'm borrowing it. We're rooting for them. We're rooting for the Knicks when it's the World Series, OK? And two teams are playing whoever it is. There's one team maybe that you're rooting over the other because you'd rather them win.

You're not all of a sudden a Dodger fan just because you wanted them to beat the Yankees last year. Their culture is my costume right now and the costume fits. I love it. This is so much fun. Boston is miserable and there is a team that is, look, it could be anybody.

It could be the Toronto Raptors. I would start talking with a Canadian accent. I would love what's happening to Boston. This isn't so much about New York, even though, man, it is a fun bandwagon when things cook. That's a fun home court advantage. The crowd there right on the court, Larry Johnson's jumping around, all of a sudden, I don't care that he was punching Alonzo Mourning.

It is a fun culture to pretend you are a part of, no doubt. But it could be anybody. It is. Seriously, it pretend you are a part of, no doubt. But it could be anybody. There is. Seriously, it could be anybody doing this to Boston. It's rooting for not Celtics. That's right. That's right.

The heat are long gone. Like all there is right now is rooting against Boston and the Knicks are making me happy. The Celtics winning back to back, Greg, let me ask you something. The Celtics winning back to back championships. You think I ask you something. The Celtics winning back to back championships. You think I need that shit in my life? No, no I don't.

All right. No I don't. One of the reasons I love being a sports fan is that I can't lose here. As a neutral sports fan, I can't lose here. If the Knicks win this series and it looks like they might be relevant nationally, national championship relevant for the first time in 50

years, wonderful story. relevant nationally national championship relevant for the first time in 50 years wonderful story if the Knicks lose yet again also a wonderful story I can't lose I'm a neutral sports fan I'm waiting for a good story and there's a great story here whether the Knicks win or lose I can't lose what's the number on the Celtics rest of the series Greg may want to get in on that that would be a great story though, you gotta admit. If they win three in a row without Tatum, Oh my god, what a great story. No, I'm not in on that story.

As a Jason Tatum hater, I can also see like a silver lining there a little bit. But no, we want the Celtics to lose. And by the way, I did not enter this series thinking that I'd have my algo all switched to pro Nicks probably a little bit of a rock Hogan WrestleMania 18 yeah yeah the crowd turned I didn't know what I was what what I was expecting when I went into this and the Knicks got me they got their hooks into me and I love them all right let's go to Tony now he's ready with a victory lap Tony you're feeling very victorious right now yeah I mean Chris you only have access to this kind of genius and this kind of just

brilliance and oracle once in a lifetime. And I gave it to you guys twice in a lifetime. And I brought Dan in here with me because he knows, last, what was it, two years ago, Dan, when the Heat made that magical run to the playoffs and to the finals. Tony deserves a raise for getting this so right. Tony, look, Tony was a lonely voice and a sea of assholes. You're in charge of that. You are in charge of that, Dan, by the finals. Tony deserves a raise for getting this so right. Look, Tony was a lonely voice and a sea of assholes. You're in charge of that. You are in charge of that, Dan, by the way.

We'll talk about that after. I am in charge of that, but Billy, you're the reason that he hasn't gotten a raise. You've undercut him and gotten in the way of his career. I knew that. Finally, we have that on wax. Thank you, Dan. So you only have access to this kind of prophecy, this kind of oracle once in a lifetime. I gave it to you twice. One of the great predictions in the history of metal arc media right up there with a mean saying that

Geno Smith was gonna have exactly the stats that he had That was wild No one's gotten in more right in four years than Toning So Wemby, Heat could have had Wemby, we knew what happened there I gave you guys another chance. I said this time Cooper flagged tank for him. The Heat had lost what 11 in a row Oh Ankle Ankle you guys another chance I said this time Cooper flag tank for him the heat had lost what 11 in a row ankle ankle we need a wheelchair somebody bring a wheelchair here I'm gonna keep I'm gonna keep running hold on somebody come back for Dan I'm gonna keep running so you only have access to this kind of genius

once a year and I'm gonna give it to you again I told you tank for tank for Cooper flag you had the 11 losses or 12 losses. You just weaseled your way into the play-in game. You could have won the play-in game and been happy and then got to the 11th seed. And we would have, or excuse me, to the 11th pick of the draft. And we see what happens there, okay? Now you win, you go to the first round of the playoffs

with the Cavs, they destroy you, they dismantle you, we got G League team. And then all of a sudden, on my couch, as I'm sitting there, watching the lottery just like this, OK, being like, OK, let's see what happens. Because usually, the pick is just in. All right, here, the Mavericks have the 11th pick. And then they keep dropping.

Oh, they're in the top four. Oh, that's what the heat would have been, Barry Jackson says. Ira Winderman says the heat would have had that pick. Oh, interesting. OK. And then we open up the cards. Oh, Spurs get the number two pick. Oh man. Sorry. Sorry. I thought that I thought I left Dan behind. I thought I left Dan behind. Okay, he's still here. I can hear his voice. So when you open up

that card and you see the Dallas Mavericks and you could have envisioned the Miami Heat. Run harder! You could have envisioned the Miami Heat having that pick. And I told you guys in April, okay, this should have been the Miami Heat's pick and vindication. Finally, sweet vindication, Dan.

Oh, he deserves a raise! Sweet vindication. Carl, you heard that, Tony? Deserves a raise. Back to you guys. You think that segment has legs? Yeah. We like it. Did you find yourself mad last night when, you know, it was, I guess, we learned that

that would have been the Heat's pick? Like, the Heat weren't in the draft lottery. It's not their pick. I did find myself mad. To answer your question, when I found out that the Miami Heat would have been slotted with the same amount of lottery balls as the Dallas Mavits. But they weren't in the lottery! That's a non-story. I agree with Zezlo. What do you mean it's a non-story? Had they lost and not as a 10 seed made the playoffs only to just- They made the playoffs. Yeah, but they got their ass kicked harder than any team has ever gotten their ass kicked in NBA history.

What are we arguing about? I'm saying like, it doesn't bother me when I learned that that would have been the Heat's pick. It's not the Heat's pick because they weren't in the lottery. Right. But they would have been if they wouldn't have won and gotten their ass kicked in four games by the Cavs in the worst playoff loss ever. Through their own selfish pick-headed actions, they found themselves out of the lottery and not having the number one pick.

You know what would have made everything easier? For Nick Garrison and Pat Riley on down, having the number one pick. You know what would have made having Giannis and Photoshopped in your jersey a reality? Having the number one pick. You know what it would have made having Yannis and Photoshopped in your jersey a reality? Having the number one pick. That would have made everything real. You get the number one pick, you're fast-tracked to actually fixing everything. You can microwave it back up and you can compete for a championship because you were right

there, you have two All-Stars that you can build around. Now all of a sudden you have probably the most valuable trade chip since Wemby went number one. But Cooperflag, that's a guaranteed superstar. It's a can't miss prospect. You can't have a number one pick that has more value than it presently has right now. And it's going to a team that made the NBA finals last year that was a punchline in the NBA that seemingly couldn't get out of its own way. But guess what they did?

They didn't make the playoffs. Miami Heat had to just F around and make the playoffs to do what? Get their ass kicked by Cleveland? To get Zazzle Pearl Jam tickets. Why is the NBA so bad at not looking rigged? Right? That's true. I don't understand.

For a league that's always accused of rigging the draft. It's the one league where everything is rigged. And at every chance that they get to not look rigged, they somehow make themselves look more rigged. Do you think? Go. Well, cause you look back to the situation. So Luca goes to the Lakers, a team that the league wants

to be very relevant and win a championship, right? But it's not just that he went there, it's the way in which he went there, where he was traded to the Lakers, but no one else knew he was available to even be traded for. And the compensation they got back for him was not great. So everyone was upset about that.

So then everyone is saying, well, Nico doesn't know what he's doing. And then all of a sudden, oh, here you go, Nico. Here's the best player available. And like, coincidentally, you're just gonna be able to replenish your team after you sent a franchise that we want to be great, your best player, here's another superstar

just handed to you on a silver platter. When Adam Silver gets word that they won, do you think he kind of is like, damn it? Adam Silver puts out word that they won. I'm just saying, okay. Do we really wanna like, who in this room legitimately thinks it's, I get it, it looks rigged.

It does. The whole lottery system is ridiculous. One point eight. But is it rigged? One point eight percent can win this grand prize. That's how a lottery is. That's a lottery. I know, but it's not, there has to be a better way to reward teams on a system where the worse you are, the more chances you have to win. If 1.8% can win the grand prize, that's a bad system. Well, when someone wins the Powerball 500 million, do you say this is not the right way to do it? That's a bad system for the NBA. I don't care about the Powerball. You know As you say, this is not the right way to do it. This is a bad system. It's a bad system for the NBA.

I don't care about the Powerball. You know what I learned the other day about Mega Millions? You know how much a Mega Millions ticket costs now? Is it like a dollar? No, it's $5. Really? They raised the price of Mega Millions from $2 a ticket to $5 a ticket.

Someone asked me this recently. I was like, I think it's a dollar. Well, so I went to the grocery store and I happened to have cash on me. I was getting some stuff for Mother's Day. It was the next day. I'm like, you know what would be a great Mother's Day present for my wife?

110 million dollars. Like, she would love that. So I'm gonna go and I'm gonna get her like a- Wives love money. My wife would love that. 110 million? I mean, that's like two years that we don't have to do anything. So I go and I say, you know what?

I'm gonna get her like a Mega Millions ticket. And I was like, I'd like, you know, five Mega Millions tickets. And I go to give the'd like, you know, five Mega Millions tickets. And I go to give the lady $10. She's like, do you know it's $5 now? And I'm like, no. Like since when? Are you winning more millions

or the same amount of millions? Okay, so I thought she was lying to me. I was like, this doesn't make any sense. Why would they do that? So I go and I look it up and she's like, yeah, changed like a month ago. So I look it up. Wait, you didn't believe her?

No, I didn't believe her. I thought something was up here. I thought that maybe we were like taking the $2. I thought maybe that was going on Yeah, yeah, yeah, cuz it seems crazy to me that you're gonna charge people five dollars She's gonna give she sees him giving cash. I know there's a lot more expensive Well, no because the thing is like two dollars you could pay five dollars I imagine the number of tickets being sold is a lot less like you have to think twice and if you're like in a state

Where you could play powerball or Mega Millions and Powerball's $2, why would you pay $5 for Mega Millions? So I look it up, and Mega Millions, it's like a spokesperson said that now that it's more expensive, the pot will go up faster and it increases your odds of winning. And I'm like, unless, and I didn't buy the ticket, unless they reduce the number of numbers, it does not increase your chance of winning.

You still have the exact same odds of winning. Less people playing doesn't increase your odds. Right, correct. So like mega millions, five dollars, bad job by that. Yeah, but are there any rules about this? Hall of Famer? I don't vote on that as you know how it goes. I don't play the lottery but I'm wondering if there are any rules. Example, what prevents Jeff Bezos from buying $10 million lottery tickets? 10 million lottery tickets. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing.

So all of a sudden, the billionaires are winning the Powerball. Well, so here's how it could work because I've also thought about this, right? I think your chance of winning is like one in 700 and whatever million, right? So theoretically, you can go and you could buy every single number

if the pot is high enough and guarantee that you will win the Powerball, right? So if the odds are like one in 600 million and the pot is at 1.8 billion, you could spend 1.2 billion and guarantee that you will win because you have every single number, right? But you have to do that and then it's taxed

and then what happens if someone else has your number and then you have to split the 1.8 billion and now it's like 900 million. Then you gotta decide, do you do the lump sum or do you do the yearly payout? You gotta go lump sum. You gotta go lump sum. I can get hit by a bus tomorrow.

Bunch of suckers doing that yearly payout. Yeah, gotta lump it.