The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Local Hour: As Far As Anyone Knows

Episode Date: October 4, 2023

Stugotz says the Philadelphia Phillies have three J.J. Watts after their win over the Marlins last night, and Dan and Jeremy discuss the incredible skill in MLB while Mike and the Shipping Container have a visceral response. The B in Bonderman stands for BRINGIN' IT! Then, the Canes lead the current BCS rankings. Plus, David Samson joins us to discuss why he's rooting for the Marlins and potentially reveals some new details on building Marlins Park. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to Giraffe King's Network. So many good South Florida things to talk about. Interesting South Florida things to talk about, Stugat. But before we get to the Marlins first playoff game in an electricity that baseball deserves. God, what a delight to watch those uniform in that atmosphere where people care rapidly about baseball as a sport. Unlike Florida, where Tampa, a great baseball team disgusting, a great baseball team gets

19,000 for a game because Florida sucks so bad at baseball. Just as a state, we can't be worse. Philadelphia appreciates what it is, the Marlins to make the playoffs and are trying to club their heads in with Nick Castellanos and Bryce Harper and in raging Greg Cody. Greg Cody has now gotten into the game. a long time homer columnist for the Miami Harold. He is going after in that game Nick Castellanos and Castellanos and Philly's fans because of a left index finger middle finger controversy. Can we put up the tweet of Greg Cody that is now enraged all of Philadelphia because he refers to him by name, Stugat. Wow.

Dangerous. Hey, Nick. And he says, you're on national TV, middle finger or ring finger, not a good look. That's the ring finger because he wants to win a championship because he hit a double because he really cares about beating the marlins in October. I got goosebumps. I mean, I did. What is up the ring finger?

What is Cody doing there? I don't know. Explain what your father is doing there. He's just, he's a believer in sportsmanship. That wasn't even the most offensive thing that the Phillies were doing. They were also, every time they got a hit, they were the thing when you have huge balls. Right.

Like, that's their celebration. I felt like the ring finger was like the least controversial thing they did yet. I had no idea they had three JJ Watts on their team. I mean, this guy, bomb, marsh, and Harper, all three of them. Harper, first off, when you're rounding second, throwing off the batting helmet so you can show everyone your hair.

It's a great move. And the red, white, and blue bandana, the American flag. No, it's JJ Watts is what it is. Oh, but it's so good. It is so good. If he can come around first base and just put himself in the American flag

and then slide head first into second base, Bryce Harper is rebellion. You're making him the establishment. He's a personality that brings life to baseball because people actually hate him. Keep your helmet on. Okay. Seriously. A baseball player enough to make stew gots care enough to hate. When all of us would love to round the first base with flowing hair and our country's pride on our forehead. Don't we ask for personality in this sport? Is it Bryce Harper, like the ultimate example of that? Look, I want to hang on for these sports.

Get your own personality, okay? Not Jay-Jay Watson. Don't steal Jay-Watts. Okay, all right, fair enough. I guess that's the case of going. Put it on the pole, please. Wait, are you arguing that Jay-Jay Watt is authentic? I know.

It's a fair point by you. There's no consistency to this take. All it is. This is what's just happened to Stugatze as he's gotten in 10 Started watching baseball entangled in his own mashing. It's not just that. You're not alone I heard Lewis in the other room say he saw his first baseball game last night And I think if I turned to Tony right now, I'm not gonna get a whole lot of baseball watching I didn't already watch last night, but I will tonight. I promise you I Found out last night that Evan Longoria is a diamond back. He's still out there long Yeah, not you're not Evan Longoria junior right the real one long go

Stugas you've picked a good time to fall in love with baseball if you're gonna start if you're gonna start Pay paying attention now because you're going to be flabbergasted by the skill level I I discovered I might get his Name wrong here a middle reliever for the fill. He's like a skill level. I discovered, I might get his name wrong here, a middle reliever for the Phillies, like a month ago, Alvarado. Jose Alvarado. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, so the first time I saw him,

I had never seen him pitch before. And this is one of the changes in the game I'm fascinated by, and I've been fascinated by all season. Alvarado comes into the game, and I know there are a lot of guys like this in the league now, but he is throwing stuff and I'm like, how is this person not their closer? How does this, how does anybody ever hit this person and Kimberl's that are closer and I was still saying, why is this dude not their closer? Nobody can hit him. And he's got an, you know, his weapon is ERA all under two and stuff.

And he's a little inconsistent with where he places the 98 mile an hour filthiest shit I've ever seen. Stuff, seven thinning for that dude last night because once you get into that bullpen, you're gonna have a problem. That guy can't be hit and somebody will hit a giant bomb on often because they do it to puck all the time. you're gonna have a problem. That guy can't be hit and somebody will hit a giant bomb on him because they do it to puck all the time.

And some of these guys that are throwing pitches that I've never seen before are playing in an offensive age of all or nothing that makes the games fast and exciting because you can't help but just marvel at the skill level. Dan, I know I haven't been watching baseball that much but you're not gonna trick me on that. When Jose Alvarado is a guard for the Pelicans. Yeah, the Pel level. Dan, I know I haven't been watching baseball that much, but you're not gonna trick me on that one. Jose Alvarado is a guard for the Pelicans.

Yeah, you know, I don't know how I'm going to get the people around this show to come back to the Marlins. We'll have to drag Mike back. Right. Chris Codon. Oh, I'm in on Lungoria. I think the race could use that boost. I'm serious with Carl Ravich.

That's who my B-Fizz is. He looks great. He looks fine. He's good. Regardless of what heavich. That's who my B-fizz is. He looks great. He looks fine. He's good. Regardless of what he looks like. To start the broadcast issue, we're getting the intros for both teams. His first words about the Marlins

after they did like three minutes on the Phillies. All right, now let's talk about the Marlins because we have to. That's what he said because we have to talk about the Marlins. I was furious. Furious. Because you have to, the the Marlins. I was furious, furious. Because you have to, the Marlins made the world, the play out way there.

We have to talk about the Marlins. And the amount of times that he said every seat was filled in this Philly stadium. I'm telling you, he was just talking shit about the Marlins the whole day and I don't like it. I don't think I was talking shit. It's been my inner dialogue for 12 years on the local hour. I don't know, I guess we have to talk talking shit. It's been my inner dialogue for 12 years on the local hour. I guess we have to talk about him.

It's been an issue, right? Because this is, I've told you before, this has always been my, I know it's stupid, but my favorite time of the year has been this time of year because my first real coverage of anything sports related down here was University of Miami football. And then the first Marlins team, which did pack a stadium with a whole bunch of people

who did care, 38,000 strong for a season and over 30 years of hoaring and business and David Samson, they have turned into something that has killed baseball in Florida. Tampa gets 19,000. I'm telling you, Stu got that race team can beat any team that's ever played, but they lose for nothing to the Rangers yesterday.

Yeah. They're, they were all, but they're good. And they get no home field advantage. 19,000, but you see what's happening in Philadelphia where the Northeast still embraces that thing. And you saw a baseball game last night, a four one game, not terribly interesting. Electric, just because of how Philadelphia felt about, yeah, we got an interesting team. Hey, we spent on Bryce Harper and you guys laughed at us for a while about that,

but now he's our American hero running the bases in a flag bandana. Keep your helmet on. They've built a fun team in Philly and Bryce Harper is sort of the the crux of what it is that they're doing, but the skill that you see from that team and from the Marlins when you're watching last night, like the fact that you have AJ Puck pitching in like the fifth inning when 15 years ago, he would have been the nastiest pitcher you've ever seen. That part of baseball right now, when you're watching the best of the best skill you've ever seen go against each other, it's been really crazy to watch and look,

the Marlins are in a really tough position, but like you mentioned, Chris, like they earned their way there. It's crazy to say like, let's talk about the Marlins because we have to watch what's with your face. Why are you making faces? 15 years ago, Roy Halliday existed. You can't get out of here.

He can't get out of here. He can't get out of here. He can't get out of here. He can't get out of here. He can't get out of here. He can't get out of here. You can't get out of here. You can't get out of here. 15 years ago, a guy named Puck who I've watched Marlon's baseball three times and I got to get lit up like a

Ducks you tell me as my ass here the big unit. How about you take a nice big long sip of shuffle hell up? Put it on the ball who had better stuff the big unit or puck. I did not say that Just stop for a second. I agree with Jeremy. No, we did say it. Zach Grinky was around 15 years ago. It does have some. It does have some. It's not a simple stuff.

He pitched on Sunday. I was talking about stuff. Puck did? No. I would love for you to step in the box. What Jeremy Bonderman? I would love to see you. Oh, Bonderman could bring it.

So the being Bonderman stands for. Oh, God. Bring it. All right. So this is what I'm saddled with. I mean, Jeremy just made pumpkin a's 15 years ago. I did not. I did. Let's let's just slow everything down for just a second, because we're going to get to David Samson in a second, because I want to talk Marlon's baseball with him and other things. But you guys do realize the way that the show has aged just so that you know, is Greg Cody is yelling in the middle of that game,

hey, put your middle finger or ring finger, put it away even it's towards your dugout, bad luck. It's Stugatz over here, joyless, joyless Stugatz. What do you mean? Well, you saw what you did because Mike Ryan went into a place where he just said, shut the hell up as an old person. No, no. A tall glass of shut the hell up.

Nice long sip of shut the hell up, but I would never tell someone to shut the hell up. I was just offering a beverage. We're aging in a way that is stunning to me. A Jeremy Bonderman is a dated reference now. Just we don't have to take offense to that. We don't love some puck guy being the best hurler in 15 years. Get out of here. We don't love Bay. Maryanna Rivera had a cut fast ball that no one could hit. Yeah. That's that is true, but it was 10 miles an hour slower than what Pucks throwing out there. Yeah, you can hit Pucks.

Yeah, very. I mean, swinging faster now. They are. That's the part of this, right? It's, it's players guessing in a way that they never had to before because this stuff is so nasty. So they're just picking a pitch and saying, let me pray that my swing path makes contact with this fastball.

Like, that's the skill that we're seeing at this point that is So immense that you have guys like you mentioned pitching in the fifth in the seventh inning Seems that would have been the greatest The problem keep somebody off balance like Scott Kazmare That's a do Jeremy here's the problem with you and what it is that you're doing and your enthusiasm for this thing You don't understand that Mike at every turn is going to meet you with his betrayed hurt ignorance. How come he doesn't do this to Lucy with that?

This team, this team, he cared about it. And it hurt him so much that he stopped watching. And now you're trying to convince him, no, that time when you love baseball, they're even better now. And you are absolutely right. They are a good deal better than anything I've ever seen in my life. Because it's all swing as hard as you can and throw it as hard as

you can. And all the charting all over the field, you hit a scathing line drive. That guy's just standing there behind the second base bag because that's where they played you to hit it. And if this guy's so good, why is he there in the seventh inning? That's your long reliever spot. That's when Burke Badenhop slides in and carries you to your set up man. The hopper. Let's play the sound. David Samson here thinks that you don't want him around to talk Marlon's baseball, that he soils all things Marlon's baseball. Nothing personal is something that he does for the Levitard and Friends Network. It's a very strong one-man show where he informationally has, I'm telling you, he tackles more stuff than I'm hearing anybody who's doing a one-man show where he informationally has, I'm telling you, he tackles more stuff

than I'm hearing anybody who's doing a one-man show tackles in 50 minutes. Very... Nothing personal, forgive me, video, I'll get to that in just a second. Has David Samson, let's play that sound less awkwardly. Very disappointing for all people who think that I'm not rooting for the Marlins, you got it wrong. I was not rooting for Derek Jeter. Now that Derek Jeter's been fired, I want Kim Eng. I want Bruce Sherman. I want the Marlins to succeed. I want them to win a world series. Because selfishly, I want to be part of a franchise's legacy that is a successful franchise. A third world series. Because selfishly, I want to be part of a franchise's legacy that is a successful

franchise. A third world series. And as many trips to the playoffs after a 162 game season, that would be a record. The Marlins made the playoffs in 97 as a wild card won the world series. They made the playoffs in 03 as a wild card won the World Series. They made the playoffs in O3 as a wild card won the World Series. They made the playoffs in 23 as a wild card. How about us? How about that is the signature line. It is to God since you cannot have it. It's not a good record to have. Hey, we make the playoffs like 20 years will go by but don't let us in there if you let us in We win the thing. Yes, they just never let us in that. I mean Mike since 97 It's been them the Yankees. I think the Braves the Cardinals and the Giants and the Red Sox those are the teams that have won two world

Series. It's still got to in yes or no. Are you in are you? Are you gonna watch Marlon's baseball? Gory is to play did you watch last night or are you gonna be stubbornly ignorant? Are you going to watch Marlon's baseball? A glorious day. Did you watch last night or are you going to be stubbornly ignorant the way that Mike Ryan is where he's like, because I was genuinely curious yesterday, when Greg Cody came in here and he made the argument on behalf of Homefield advantage. I'm like, what's Homefield advantage really when jazz chism is making that throw from center field? Is that crowd bothering him? Because they seem super excited. And he threw out a guy at the plate. So what is really home field advantage in that sport? Tampa didn't do anything yesterday with no home field advantage. Phil Delphi did that.

Minnesota had it. I'm a little upset that I've given you guys the same ammunition because I was just going to sit here like I have all season long silently. But then you called AJ Puck the best pitcher and the nastiest thing that you would have seen 15 years ago. He would have been the pitcher of the league and Buh Buh Buh Buh Buh Buh Buh Buh. You could do that all you had. I'm right. I'm right. That's what it crossed the line. Jeremy. Jeremy, look, this is the weird thing. I can't believe I'm saying this, but it's absolutely true. You are both absolutely right. And it is from the position of me, I've been Mike.

I was straddling this fence. I didn't want to care about this team anymore, but the changes that they made to baseball and the skill level that I'm watching, I don't understand how any human being hits puck. His location is not as good as it needs to be. So, Jesus. Stop it. Chris Sabah would take that guy to the guy. So, he is. No, dad. It sounds like you agree with Jeremy. Say it, Dan. Come on. Say it. Now, you think Puck's a number one 15 years

ago. I mean, he honestly would have been Jeremy's right. Stop it. Stop it. Jason Kendall would have worked that count. He would have been totally gased 25 pitches in. I mean Sean Morgan was number two. Jason Kendall Piling off eight consecutive pitches. No, they all do that now. I'm the number of 13 pitch at bats in that game And in games in general against guys throwing a hundred miles an hour We have a tale of two and a half feet. Jamie Moore would sniff the major leagues. Oh, that's great. That's great. Anywhere would have like a 15 year.

Oh, right. Maybe a BP pitcher. And Vinny Castilla would make sure that puck never puts on a major league uniform. Oh, yeah, of course. Look, don't get me wrong. I think the way, like, if we want to have a real conversation, the way that we bring up baseball players now.

We don't want to have a real conversation, the way that we bring up baseball players. We don't wanna have a real conversation. It is ruining parts of the game, or did ruined parts of the game for the last 15 years or so. We ended up in this homerun strikeout walk, three choices scenario with baseball that was incredibly boring. They've now fixed the rules to where they're encouraging stolen bases, they're encouraging small ball,

but you still get this massive skill. And I just think that they've found the way to bring us back to the nostalgia of those times with players like Jason Kendall without actually having to do it with more skill. No, you've got AJ Puck as a puzzle that Mike Hargrove can't solve. And that's where you lose me.

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rankings as of today do you care who's number one i mean not really but but I'll guess. Go ahead. Alabama. Keep going. Just keep guessing. I believe the wrong BCS. Alabama is 24, according to what?

So God's just keep guessing. Will tell you when you get there. Number one, according to the current BCS, please don't look on your computer with ruin the game. Just pick school. I wouldn't even know where to fall in the pool school. Bullshapinghipseries.com.

No way bullshapinghips series. Touch dot go dot com. God just start naming. T Georgia. Yeah. Okay. Likosurge bullshapinghip series. Georgia is not number one.

USC not number one. They're not. No. Oh my God. This is insane. North Carolina not number one. They're not. No. Oh my God. This is insane. North Carolina. Not number one. They're not. No. Huh. Let me think Florida State. That's the before. Is not number one. Think impressive wins. Think. No, not really. I'm just thinking undefeated.

One impressive. No, you can think impressive wins. Step Alabama. No, an impressive win that only became more impressive. It's two or three weeks later. Hmm. Well, yeah, when you take the problem with college footballs of preseason rankings, which the Bull Championship series has very little time for. It's us. Fresno State. It's us. It's the mighty Miami hurricane.

Him what? Him making another guess after you said it's us. I didn't believe him the first time. Mikey Keenan the boys. The University of Miami. That's crazy. Come on. I didn't believe in the first time. Like you're keen in the boys. The University of Miami. That's crazy. Come on. I haven't played anyone.

Well, no, no. That's like a saying that. When is a good one? Miami of Ohio is not bad. And the B.C. Me of Ohio. Stugots. I will tell you that if you're not watching this stuff

and I don't think you are, okay. Miami of Ohio's coach saying after playing Miami physically that hurt my people are broken they they broke us physically and now you watch them play other games and you're like oh other teams don't break Miami of Ohio physically Miami of Ohio yeah we'll laugh at them forever what they're not playing good football there it's Miami, Miami, Miami, Miami, Miami, Miami, Miami, Miami, Miami, Miami, Miami, Miami, Miami, Miami, Miami, Miami, Miami, Miami, Miami, Miami, Miami, Miami, Miami, Miami, Miami, Miami, Miami, Miami, Miami, Miami, Miami, Miami, Miami, Miami, Miami, Miami, Miami, Miami, Miami, Miami, Miami, Miami, Miami, Miami, Miami, Miami, Miami, Miami, Miami, Miami,

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texas a&m has played two scc schools since play my amma my amma they played uh... obbern and arcan saw and they've surrendered eleven offensive points since that my amma match up those are two legacy schools schools with prestige schools that are not bad this year i know the win loss record in the SEC for Arkansas isn't great but they've had close games that Texas A&M win is

a good one and it doesn't look that good because I believe Texas A&M right now is presently on rank they play Alabama. I'll be a nice soul measuring stick for the people that do the the paint by numbers stuff of do it against every one will laugh at you in this. Trust temple Miami of Ohio. Who have they played? Texas A&M was five and six last year, and Jimbo's never got a quarter back. Miami Ohio did beat Cincinnati.

You'll be nervous going to North Carolina though, right? I think I'll be. I'm nervous this weekend. Look, it last, it was just last year where they were losing the middle Tennessee state. I think while there are encouraging signs, injuries could totally nuke this season. Georgia Tech looked like a good team and then they lost straight up as

a 21 point favorite, but we're not in the position to be taking anybody lightly and just chalk up dubs on the board. This is in cocky Cainspan time, but there are some really encouraging things about Miami's performances this year, the way that they're winning games that the BCS has picked up on, which by the way, BCS towards the tail end of its run actually got it kind of right, and we just wanted more teams playing for the thing. But the way, like, think about where we've gone with the BCS is, no, no, no, we want humans to do it when we actually had computers

figuring all this stuff out. Now they made terrible mistakes early on, but by the end of its run, it did have a good idea of who should be playing for stuff. As Mr. 2017 UCF guy who would have defended the BCS until the end of the Earth because UCF was number one that year, I'll tell you, like looking into the formula, those final few years, the teams at the top were right right It was just about exclusion of opportunity for other teams where we really just needed a four team or an eight team playoff Potentially based off those rankings the rankings are not far off It is killing me though that we're referring to rankings four weeks into the season for the university Oh, only two only because my am a number one. Well, it's killing me. We're using Miami of Ohio as a benchmark

Only we might have their game mark up here trying to find another good win on that schedule there a couple games but that's a good text and we had AI rankings before we had AI rankings we went away from them and now we're gonna probably go to them in the future again well what we have is when I said bcs it's Billy Chris to got this if they were creating the rankings for this show it would be Miami number one and the argument being yeah you drag temple congratulations. I'm not going to I mean Miami. What do you mean the you is back really because you beat the other Miami the one no one ever cares about beating. I mean the Texas A&M victory was impressive when you look

at their defensive numbers. That's a really good defensive team in Miami carb right through them. But I'm not going gonna be guilty of issuing rap hoys and when it comes to Miami. Do you really do that? Do you really feel like you have the best team in the country? Be honest. No, no, no, but this checking.

No, but I do think that they're presently underrated because people are underrating the Texas A&M thing. I do think that people put far too much weight on preseason rankings. It's ridiculous, some of these preseason rankings. Why are some of these teams ahead of Miami and Texas Anna because, oh, they enter on ranked, it's bullshit. I will go a step further than Mike is going

because he is not being cocky and he's actually trying to be rational even though we're exploring the stupidity of Miami as the number one team in the country as a starting point. And everyone would look at that schedule and say they have not beaten anybody. And perhaps what I am seeing because I can't do the measurements when you're doing it to Bethun Cookman, perhaps Georgia Tech's defensive line or North Carolina's defensive

line has something that Texas A&M's didn't, but I'd be willing to bet every game this season that Miami will be able to get offence because if Van Dyke is healthy, he will have time to throw. And even though I'm unimpressed by their wide receivers, by the standard of the glory days when they had Paramann and blades and Irvin in their huddle, but when they were Alabama, when they had all the first round picks, I don't think that's what they have at receiver, but that quarterback will be accurate and make good decisions if he has time. And I don't know if they can do it to everybody, but the NIL people who bought that offensive line say they feel like it can do that to anybody.

Well, what's a good measuring sick is Texas A&M. If you could do it against Texas A&M, which if you eliminate the 48 points in Miami put up there, even if you include that look at the defense of metrics turn over that game put text a and m in point position that's an elite defense and Miami just totally carved through and i think they'll be like i don't know who's gonna make them stop doing that if it's not gonna be injuries like i'd like to know i'd like to see where they gave up thirty three in that game as well though i know but he just said the point they But they, but they were special teams. The starting field position like it was, there was a, there was a block. He spotted a 33 spot. I mean, that's

a, so got to muf to punt and they had a punt blocked. That, that was 14 points easy right there. Okay. Don Lebertard. Smart. Stugats. More smart. This is the Don LeBotar Show with this two gods David Samson joins us now again. I will tell you less awkwardly than before that David Samson's nothing personal is covering a lot of terrain I don't know how people are talking about the Trevor Bauer story I imagine a whole lot of people are scared of that story, so I'd like to talk about that With him today, but the place I wanted to start was with Marlon's baseball and how you personally feel, how all of this personally feels to you in the ways that actually move you about sports because you are a part of the building of whatever this was, you dreamt that baseball could feel in Miami the way that it did in Philadelphia last night. And we laughed at you and we were right to laugh at you because Miami never embraced it

like that after 2003. How do you feel as someone who's protected the legacy of this franchise and torched Mike Ryan's fandom? How did you feel watching last night? So I spoke to my son about this exact topic last night after the Philly's Marlins game and he asked me honestly who I was rooting for and I answered him and I want to answer you exactly the same way. After I left the Marlins in 2017 when Jeter jettisoned me, I rooted against him and against the Marlins every game. I didn't want him to succeed

because I wanted to look better for my reign and if he succeeded, it would be at the expense of what I did. Once he was fired, I then felt better about rooting for the Marlins. Going into the playoffs, to in September, I still was not rooting for them to make the playoffs. And I want to explain why, because I wanted, and this is being totally open, I wanted to be the last president to have a team in the playoffs after a full season. It was just ego, it was just about me. I wanted to be the one, and I didn't want my legacy to be changed or forgotten. Then, when the Marlins clenched, I had a different epiphany, and I then wanted them to beat

Philly in this round, because I want people to experience a playoff game at Marlins Park differently than people are experiencing a playoff game in Tampa where only 19,000 people showed up to game one of their series against the Rangers. And my view is I want to beat Philly so then we can have home games in the next round against the Braves and Marlon's Park will be sold out, the upper deck will be open, and then still ego, people will say wow I am having a memory even if it's not Mike Ryan, I'm having a moment here and that's because there's a ballpark here,

and I know somewhere deep in my mind, I know that David may have had something to do. So this is all about you. Yeah, is what we're saying. I'm not buying it either. No, I'm absolutely admitting that it was about me, and I'm going through the different paths that I had in terms of cheering or not cheering for the Marlins.

Keep in mind, there's no one left for my time there. No players are left, and there's very, very few staff members left, and the ballpark does look a little different to me, but I really want everyone to have a home playoff game and feel what that's like. Don't you want to be the last Marlins president that won a World Series? I mean.

I was thinking about that. Yeah. I would like, I would like actually our franchise to keep the record going. I think it'd be way cooler to be a part of, hey, we don't lose playoff series. Forget 2020, the COVID year, when the Marlins make the playoffs, they win the World Series. So if they can win the World Series this year, that would be 97.03 and 23, never having lost a series, three rings. And that would mean that you're part of a very very special franchise

Dave talking about thinking of you when I go to the stadium I did so I went to the Marlins game that was the Flannies night against the braves where they won And I was thinking to myself as I was walking the corridors of the stadium like promotion Giving away those cups. Yeah, all part promotions do not get it was electric in there by the way lazy cups Okay, we'll get to that in a second at least right about that. We'll get to that in a second But they my lazy cups We need we needed better Dave I thought of you because I was like wow underneath this behemoth in little Havana

Somewhere and he won't tell us where David Samson hid a time capsule and that's the only thing I could think of I was like David Samson has things in here. I got to find them It is gonna be so hard for you to find them. There is no way for you to find them until the entire ballpark gets blown up disco style. Wasn't it also a Native American burial ground and you guys couldn't build there for a little bit? So like, is it next to those remains

that you just built on top of anyways? Great question. No. Why did you smile at that David Simpson? You put your head down rarely. Do you feel a bullet go by your head that you were not expecting there? You got hit. You got to hit with a Native American burial ground. Billy, welcome to the show. That's a guns blazing. You didn't see him coming with it. Look man he's going to get 18 hours to celebrate these marlins for his fandom for 20 years.

And if it means he has to shoot bullets at your head while you're on, it's a question. That's a thing. So there was a discussion and negotiation about the possibility of it having been an Indian burial ground, a Native American burial ground, excuse me. And we didn't want to pay because if that happens, you have to shut everything down and look for bones. So your timeline gets blown up and you could end up being over budget and not on time. So every time we would dig because there's exclamation before you build. We'd be looking over and there'd be like the backhoe and the fronthoe. Hey, any cracks? Find anything? And of course, we never found anything as far as anyone knows. Okay. That last, yeah, that half a sentence. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Hold on a second.

What? Yeah, with as far as anyone knows, that that half sentence that you laud your way into and you draped yourself in after all of that. I want an honest admission here if anyone does, if anyone does know, and there was an active cover up by someone in your organization because what a horror it would have been if you built that ballpark without caring about human remains. I'm just saying that in Miami, especially at the Orange Bowl,

how can you really know? Right? Is it, is it? Is it good point? Animal? Is it a person? It's a little of an American? Who's to say? No, no, that's, no, that's not that's a terrible point. What bones were found? Just keep in mind, we're headed into indigenous peoples day on Monday. What? What? Somebody all of that was, what? Was it for some? Can we get gay off? For some. Can you please?

Not for me. Confirmer deny that bones were found. I have no independent recollection of anything out of the ordinary happening. I have no independent recollection I got me an ordinary thing discovered during the excavation of the orange ball site. Okay. So, Billy, you just care... He's reading that.

Yes, yes, he's got that disclaimer underneath this computer for moments like that where he could lie brazenly to our face and just cover it up. No, look, he would be a misery in deposed. Oh, God, would you hate deposing him? I've been deposed so many times. Oh, I probably enjoy it.

You probably do you enjoy it? I don't mind it. You're not afraid of it. I'm not afraid of it. Nothing to hide. No. Oh, I mean, that's for anyone else. That's for anyone else. I mean, it's funny when that happens. That's one of the things.

I can't hide it because it's right. That's not. Um, it seems understandable that with all of that ego you were talking about, somewhere in there, you would be brokenhearted because you did love baseball, you cared about baseball baseball and how that happened with Jeeter, even though you walked away with all the money and some bones possibly, if anyone knows.

You had your identity tied up in this team, this organization and that job and you watching this team succeed while you've been to how many games since. You used to go every single night. You've been to no games. You haven't been back to the ballpark one time. I've not been to any ballpark since I walked out after the final game in the 17th. Because it hurts too much. Sure. What?

Because I'm scared of feeling ordinary. You don't want to go to a ballpark and not be the president? I don't want to go to the ballpark and not be able to walk wherever I want to walk and go wherever I want to go and speak to whoever I want to speak to. I mean, you're asking for honest answers and I do give honest answers. They just may hurt and Mike Ryan may be unhappy with the likability question. No, no, no, I actually agree with you. It's the same reason that I don't go. And now you have to pay. I mean... Well, I probably wouldn't have to pay. Yeah, that's not the issue.

But what I would pay, but explain to me the emotions of it and explain to me if the Marlins, if the, if the, so if the Marlins have a playoff game, you would want to go. I got texted by Marlins man last night. I texted him and asked him, why are you in a walk? Yeah, but he was at the wrong game. I texted him and asked him, why are you in a walk? Move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, There's other people I know who sit in the Diamond Club who've invited me, including some Native Americans who have seasoned tickets, have invited me. They were looking for their property, bro. Too many. And I just don't have it in me yet. It hurts.

I admit that, actually, it's another thing that I was speaking to Caleb about, Dan. Last night was about the hurt that it is to watch everything continue on without you thinking that you were important, thinking that that was your identity, and then finding a different way to satiate your professional ego, your personal ego, your sense of self, all of those things that I didn't know whether I would experience I did, and I work at that every day to work through it, and I'm not there yet.

As someone that's trying to increase your likability, I think you should consider taking Marlins Man up on his offer, because by comparison, you are more likable. Thank you, Mike. You're 10% in the mail. For what it's worth, I was gonna say the exact opposite, if there's anyone you should not go to this game with, it's Marlon's Ban. Ha-ha-ha.