The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Local Hour: Dan Says "The Chiefs Are Dead"

Episode Date: September 16, 2025

"Baker Mayfield is better than both Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes by a wide margin." - Dan Le Batard Greg is furious at traffic, but don't worry: he still has the wherewithal to compare Cam Newton's career to Mark Moseley's. Also, Dan begins his career as a hot take artist, Jeff Conine finally answers Chris Cote's text, Tony delivers his Top 5 QBs He Trusts Most At The End of the Game, and Tua irks Big Mac. Today's cast: Dan, Greg, Zaslow, Chris, Billy, Jeremy, and Tony. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Zaslo, why are you laughing right in Greg Cody's face as he sits down breathless because he is circumnavigated traffic and arrived here like 20 seconds before we started and starts with a cough and a clear of his throat into the microphone. Why are you laughing in his face? Well, you know, normally you would think that it's rude to laugh in someone's face. That's, that's a, it's very dismissive. It's rude. Yes, thank you. But, well, hold on with a thank you. Sometimes it's, uh, it's deserved.

Sometimes it's deserved. I mean, Greg, like, we, we do a shadow show every day. You're not, you don't know that? Yeah, I'm in once or twice a week. But those once or twice a week, we always do shadow show, right? Sure. Yeah, I can't, you know, okay. This is directed down at you.

I'm not sure where you live. I know where Dan lives, okay, and I know where he does his show. It's a veiled threat. All right, listen here. If you build a shack next to a railroad track, you can't complain about the lonesome whistle. Okay? You build a studio in downtown Miami, the worst traffic city in America, and expect people to drive here through rush hour. And, you know, you can't complain about the lonesome whistle.

Doesn't rush hour start at 8 a.m.? No, it's gotten earlier. Oh, no, no, no, at 6.30 in the morning at this point. I know traffic is thick, but I would not even call that rush hour. That's not our rush hour. Our rush hour in Miami, it's like 6 a.m. to 10 a.m. Okay, this is none of this is the reason that Zaslo was laughing, okay? And none of this, as he gets off his lonesome whistle line,

has anything to do with the specifics of why Zaslo was laughing. This is why Zaslo was laughing. Greg comes in here and he says, doesn't the show start at nine and I'm like, we've been starting, this is the sentence that made Zaslo laugh, we've been starting at 855

for over a year. Yeah, who keeps track of that minutia? It's true. Radio people! I don't have the bandwidth for all the details. You know, again, I don't want to belabor it, I need a staff now. But, you know, we're doing the best we can, peddling as fast

as we can on a small one-man bike. Again, with a weird saying. Just that kind of thing. He's so good at this that he doesn't have to worry about what time things start. Yeah. He'll do it on his own time. He'll do it his own way and the rest of us will get used to it. There will never be any consequences except that occasionally he'll get rage because he's 0 and 4 in all of his competitions around here. Yeah. Okay. And there will be no more of those. In Greg's defense, I mean, look, Greg, you can't control the fact that normally it takes you 45 minutes to an hour to get here and on a given day it might

take two and a half hours to get here because of other people's driving not your own Jeremy is if I could say more than 100% I would although that's an annoyance of mine when people say I gave 110% no you didn't you're celebrating Jeremy and I think that Jeremy was so eager to talk they didn't hear the news that you had right before he spoke which is you said you're not doing any more competitions. You announced publicly that you're out on doing any competitions here because you're winless. No, not because I'm winless because I don't think that it's a fair playing field. And I mentioned this on my podcast, which came out yesterday.

I think it's a predetermined result. Okay. I don't think there was any chance I had to win that. It's not true. No, I don't have any evidence. It's not true. I was instructed to vote against you, and I went against. that trend because they said we need to make sure that this is rig so Greg loses on his

birthday. Nobody said that. No one said that. Okay. It was implied. My lawyer will depose Billy in case a lawsuit is brought. But no, I mean, everybody knows that. You know, there's a preconceived thing. All right, it was Greg's birthday. It's not true. It was Greg's birthday that day. Everybody figures they're going to let Greg win. And, you know, that was the Zig. And you guys zagged and everybody knew it. Have you ever thought about leaving your house earlier in morning? No, because I leave my house damn early as it is. I leave my house between 7 and 7.15. Ridiculous. big hits and quarterbacks

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Football is back Jack Football is back Jack Football is back Back Jeff Conine finally texted you back. Jeff Conine got back to you. We wanted to talk to him about whether or not he's got the strongest hands in the history of handshakes. And it took us two or three days to reach him, FaceTime, an assortment of things.

But we finally have closure on this, Chris. What did we find out about Jeff Conine's availability or lack of availability? On Friday, sent him a Zoom link with a text. Hey, we'd love you to pop on right here. That just kind of went unanswered. And so right after the show, I'm like, all right, hey, you can respond just via text. Here's a couple of questions. Did you enjoy your time with us?

And do you remember how strong Mike Ryan's handshake was? So I have answers to both of those questions. Okay. First question, did you enjoy your time with us? He wrote, yes. There you go. I feel like that's a win for us. What enthusiasm.

But you guys thought he did not enjoy the time. I would say he was a tough book to read. Yeah. I don't agree. And maybe that's because I was sitting in the room here with Conan. I thought he enjoyed his time here. Maybe it came across different things. Are you a teacher's pet?

Like, what's your role here exactly? Just agree with everything that Dan says, shit all over Greg. Don't even start with me. Oh, wow. Don't even start with me. You had such a great time in this room. It's too early for this shit. We're too minutes into the show.

It's too early for you to be pulling this shit. No, it really isn't. I agree with Billy. I mean, you know, obviously you voted, you were the deciding vote. He got the memo. Against me. The soup or back to the soup. All in line, yeah.

Are you officially saying you're out on competition? You're forever going to be winless around here in competitions because you're quitting the competitions because you think they're rigged. When I'm telling you, they're not rigged. When I was singing you happy birthday, it's because I thought Zazlo was going to give you the gift of winning a competition that I didn't think you should win because Mike decided to make my favorite soup. And I'm sorry, he tilted the scales in his favor by making what is my favorite soup. I'd argue that the Thai coconut soup is the greatest of all the soups. I'd argue that it's better than all of them. Did you taste the coconut at all?

Here we go again with the coconut. No, I was just curious. But you're officially saying you're out on all competitions. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, no question about it. We'll find one for you to do against Zaz. I doubt it. What is it that you're agreeing with Billy on?

Are you just lining up against Zaslo? No, I'm not. You know, Zaslo's role on the show is to line up against me. I get that. That's not true. Nobody's told me that. That's not true. All right, okay, all right.

You're all appaining me as somebody who's paranoid now. Okay, yeah. I'm making everything off. Okay. All right. The rest of this text. So I also wrote, do you remember how strong Mike Ryan's handshake was?

His response. Who is Mike Ryan? He followed up. I don't remember anyone having a memorable handshake. Classic Jim LaMega. I told Mike this and his response was I don't remember his either. Okay. All right.

I'm glad we finally got to the bottom of that. A number of things that I wish to talk about from last night, okay? because a lot of people are talking about Tom Brady wearing a headset. And that's the most disastrous game Gino Smith's ever had. It's been 10 years since any quarterback had a game where they tried to throw down the field that much and didn't complete anything at all. That Chargers defense is quantifiably good.

Obviously, Khalil Mack being hurt doesn't help anybody. But that defense is a lot... The average pass attempt against that defense is 3.2 yards. It's the best in the league by Miles. And Zazlo, with cream cheese on his face, walked in here this morning and was willing to make a proclamation. I think Jim Harbaugh is an all-time great coach. I'm just looking at his resume. You see what he did, obviously, at Michigan, where they won a national championship.

And by the end of his time there, they were always beating Ohio State. Go back before that, he took over a 49ers team that was goal. garbage. And I think it was by his second year with San Francisco. He had Alex Smith in the NFC championship the next year. He had Colin Kaepernick in the Super Bowl. And then he's in Los Angeles now with the Chargers. And they were whatever last year. And now they look like they're going to win the AFC West this year. Now part of those cheats aren't as good, you know, but the Chargers are going to be a really good team. It's only a second year there. Literally Everywhere he goes, not only does he turn the teams around, he turns him around really quick.

Put it on the poll, please. Is Jim Harbaugh already an all-time great coach? I admire the choice that he made in choosing that as his landing spot when he had choices because the smartest choice to make is get the young quarterback. Make sure that at that position, you're solid. But the reason they won last night is not because of the quarterback. The reason they won last night is because their defense is so good. Let's put that game off to the side for a second, though, because we'll talk about the Brady elements of that in a moment. But now that Brady's no longer on the field, he at one time was consensus. Don't leave him any time. If you leave him any time, you're going to lose the game.

He's going to get down the field. Then he was replaced by Mahomes. Don't leave him any time. I'm wondering how close Baker Mayfield's now creeping into the conversation, and I want to examine for a second. Just this shows history talking about Baker Mayfield because Baker Mayfield got swallowed by Brown's expectations. He decided to play Hurt when they had Jarvis Landry and Odell Beckham. He was playing while Hurt. He ended his career in Cleveland and nearly because he was playing while Hurt

ended his career in general. He does not have that Monday night game meaningless for the Rams for Sean McVeigh. I believe that Baker Mayfield never gets to start again. And now I'm willing to make the argument at the end of games, he's one of the top five guys, I fear that he's going to do what Tua couldn't against the Patriots, that he is going to figure out a way on fourth and 10 when they're blitzing a corner and there's no room on the field. And this is the other thing from last night's game that I found so interesting. The Bucks were primed to get beaten because their tackles were out and those pass rushers are good. Mike Evans was shut down. I know it said five catches for 50 yards, but when you can take Stingley, put him on Mike Evans,

and just know he's not going to get down the field, you've shut down one of the great receivers, a Hall of Fame or of all time. Baker did not have a lot of help. In that game, what happened is first four drives, all scores by both teams. Then nothing happens the rest of the game. Nothing until the last five minutes.

And Houston does the things that at home win a game. And you got fourth and ten in the opposing stadium. And Baker Mayfield pulls it out. So I want to ask the group, make the list for me, now that the Chiefs are 0 and 2. I still think my homes is on there. And I still feel, obviously, anytime I'm on defense, I fear Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen. But at the end of games, I don't fear them in appreciably larger way than Baker's going to figure out how to do something here.

He's done it the first two weeks of the season, and he routinely does it. Like, obviously Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson are better quarterbacks, but I'm talking about a thing here that Tua doesn't have locally that Baker Mayfield clearly has. He can win games late when you need your quarterback to be doing that. I've got a top five list that I wrote down of guys that are that exact thing, that you fear in the last couple of minutes of the game to make plays to win you the ball game. You guys ready? Give me just a second here to just get off some stats here because since 2023, this is a real stat. Give me the stat of the day music here because I believe that this is an excellent stat for stat of the day.

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start of the day start of the day and this year start of the day and this year start of the day There's no way the Buccaneer should have won that game. Like, honest to God, you're on the road. The Texans are trying to avoid O and two, and what I'm telling you, your main receivers getting shut down and your backup tackles are facing that pass rush.

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Probably Josh Allen. Yeah, I would have. have said Josh Allen, and I don't have the comparative stats. I do know that Baker Mayfield since 2023 has had more fourth quarter and overtime touchdowns than any quarterback. And also, this guy has just reinvented himself. I mean, Baker Mayfield was a laughing stock punchline, what, three, four years ago? He hasn't reinvented himself to the point now. You hear that name and you think, wow, that's a really good quarterback who wins, who knows how to win a game that's teetering. That's stat of the day presented by

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Has Baker Mayfield reinvented himself or is it just, hey, remember, it used to take quarterbacks a few years to be able to play at this level? For me, he has. You know, and Sam Darnold has to. a lesser extent, but I would put those two in the same category. They were seen as draft bus a couple of years in. Baker Mayfield was running scout team in Carolina. Yeah. Last night was so infuriating to watch that game.

You have Baker, who was available for everyone to have a couple years ago, and I'm sitting here with Tua. You see the Texans fans booing C.J. Stroud on a couple drives. I'm like, these in-grates. You don't know how lucky you have it. Do I have it correct? Is this an accurate appraisal what I'm about to say? Baker Mayfield was on a one-year prove-it deal because the Bucks thought Kyle Trask was going to be their quarterback.

Do I have that wrong? I think when Brady retired, the initial thought was Trask could be the guy. No, he was brought in to compete that first year with the box. It was a one-year prove-it deal. Trask wasn't drafted that high, but was Trask not viewed as somebody? At the time, people were saying, well, Baker will keep it warm for Trump. but this is not going to be Baker Mayfield's team. I really think that Baker Mayfield, I can't believe what I'm saying,

that Baker Mayfield was this far from being a backup quarterback to now he has gone right to the top of the list of the first two games this season. He's led game winning drives, and this is per ESPN here. The 2025 bucks are the first team since the merger to score game winning touchdowns in the final minute of their first two. games. Well, and how about this? Baker Mayfield is the second quarterback in the last 30 years to lead back-to-back under two-minute drives to win the game in the last 30 years. Am I overreacting when I say, I know it's recent. It's the first two games of the season, so obviously

it's noticeable. Daniel Jones is suddenly getting MVP talk because it's the first two games of the season. By whom? Who's getting MVP? By the way, not to call people out in our industry, but I saw a couple of weeks ago. Speak their names, man. No, I don't want to say their names. I saw very prominent show where a guy kicks field goals and kicks and gives money away. He was a punter. No I'm saying other people kick field goals. He gives money away. They had a topic on the show saying

is Daniel Jones the MVP. Two weeks ago. I didn't like that. Who do you think on college game day is watching you and stealing your takes just out of curiosity? Nobody had a Because I know in the past you've accused Mina Kimes of doing such. So who on college game day is sitting around

taking notes of your top five and stealing your tape? All of a sudden, PM has a topic. I have the picture of it. Pat McAfee is watching you to take your takes. I don't say him. Somebody could be. Pat McAfee has been saying since the beginning of the season

that the Colts are going to win the Super Bowl. He's obviously in the tank for the Colts. Do you want to do your top five list now? Do we have OILIs? These are the guys you trust the most. Quarterbacks, you trust the most at the end of the game. Yes. All right.

Any OLLI? Yes, one OLL. Not my official top five, but thank you, Chris, for bringing it up. Really quickly, number O-L-I, Jaden Daniels. I think all of us should probably, if we're going to be analyzing football, also point out already two weeks into the season, what is it? 20% of the starting quarterbacks are hurt. Is it 20%?

I saw the graphic. It was like, eight guys. I was like, wait, when that guy get hurt? It's two games into the season. And five quarterback starters are out. Yeah, and one of them is not two up. That's true. That's an upset.

Number five, Matthew Stafford. Oh, that's true. Guy like in the grizzled veteran got the gray hair going. That is a great one. Lasers all over the place. Number four, Baker Mayfield. I put Stafford ahead of Mayfield. You put Stafford ahead of Mayfield?

You just put Mayfield ahead of Brady. No, no, no. I did not do that. I put him at the time of him. You had him. It was unbelievable. You said the top. You said of all-time quarterbacks, he's better than both Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes.

It was amazing. You did kind of wonder whether Mahomes was still in there. I was like, of course he's still in there. He wasn't in there the first two weeks of this season. I wasn't expecting him to do shit at the end of games. Were you? Everyone's mad at the Eagles for being 2-0 because of the way they're 2-0. Look, that league, everything that's happened on defense in that league that makes all of these quarterbacks go for 150 yards.

the defenses have gotten so suffocating that they have ruined the entertainment value of Patrick Mahomes, ruined it. It's not partially ruined. It's ruined. Like, I'm watching a quarterback who looks like all the other quarterbacks when all I heard the last three seasons was a complete hyperventilation from the broadcast media that felt like they were watching something that was more aesthetically pleasing than anything else in the league. But is in his fault. I mean, Isaiah likely is out, or not Isaiah, Xavier Worthy is out. Travis Kelsey can't catch. It's not Patrick Mahomes' fault. Rashi Rice is suspended. Exactly.

I mean, he's missing a lot of weapons. Yes, that's true. And I saw him in a Super Bowl get throttled. Not this last one. The other one against Tampa when he doesn't have his offensive line agreed on all counts. And Travis Kelsey looks spent, too. He looks like he's more worried about his podcast than he is catching. But he is a dink and dunk quarterback.

And I don't believe that if he, Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson had, you mentioned Likelies out, I can have them lose guys and they will have a variety of game. They would have a versatility required in today's game that might not make them look. Again, as un-aesthetically pleasing as what I'm watching from the Chiefs offense when what I was used to, guys, you remember, you never bet against the Chiefs, no matter what the point spread was, and you assumed every game that they were going over 30 points. That team's dead. Like that, that team no longer exist. The team that all, you know this. It's been dead for a while.

I mean, he threw a dime down the field. He's been a super long touchdown pass. How's it been dead for three years? No, Dan's 100% right. They almost three-peated last season. That doesn't matter, but they did it in a different way. They changed the offense completely. They got rid of Tyree Kill.

They went to a dink and dug. They had two high safeties. They couldn't go deep. That was the whole point. They got to the Super Bowl last year. Three years in a row, they won two out of three. They changed the offense completely. Agnola would like a word.

This is so much worse in Stugatsy's take. What is worse about? Dan, these guys don't know ball. I just realized that these guys don't know ball. You're watching one side of the field if you think that you're trying to. Macfee's going to laugh at us when he's watching the studio takes later. You guys are again listening poorly. It's not surprising.

Those ears on the side of your head are usually just ornaments. I did not say anything about the defense. I said their offense is no longer fun to watch. That's not up for debate. Like that's not. You said the chiefs are done. Quote, that team is dead. That's a direct quote.

The offense is unethetically pleasing. They've ruined what it used to be to watch Patrick Mahomes play football. Agreed, but let's also agree it's not Patrick Mahomes' fault. He does not have a great running game. He does not have anywhere near an elite receiver. Travis Kelsey looks old all of a sudden. I don't blame Patrick Mahomes. I don't think he's lost anything.

I think his surrounding talent. has hit a crater. The average yard per attempt on what Patrick Mahomes is doing for whatever the reasons are, because I remember when he had Tyreek Hill 50 yards downfield and Travis Kelsey was gronk, and back then, when he had that, everyone was telling me how great Mahomes was with or without them. They won a championship after Tyreek Hill left, but the offense is no longer a pleasure to watch. No one here is disagreeing with this, correct? It's not a pleasure to watch that offer.

You can blame everybody but Patrick Mahomes. We know he's a great quarterback. That's not up for dispute. We know that he's a great quarterback. I agree with you, but I also don't write off the chiefs at 0-and-2. For reasons that you can and you do write off the dolphins at 0-and-2, I think it's very, very premature to write off Mahomes and the chiefs at 0-N-2. Let me ask you something.

When the dolphins lose on Thursday night to drop to 0-3. If. All right, man. When the dolphins lose on Thursday night to fall to 0-N3, Does Tyreek Hill then also play for the Chiefs Sunday night? Is that allowed? Whoa. I don't think that that's allowed.

Why not? I don't think it's allowed. You play twice in one week? I don't think you can play? Why wouldn't that be allowed? You guys think he can play two days, three days later? You think four days later? There's players that have been traded that already missed the new teams by week so they have an extra game every season.

McKell Bridges played 83 games a couple years ago in the NBA. Everyone else played you too. You are right that Patrick Mahomes has an assortment of injuries around him. He has had 11 starting left tackles since becoming the chief starter. The only other player with Moore is Baker Mayfield, but he's played on four different teams. He's also number four. Number three on the list, Josh Allen. Boy, who's ahead of him?

Two better than that? Two better than that. Thank you. This is the list of guys that you fear in the last two minutes of the game to win the game. Number two, Joe Burrell. Thank you. Chris is sleeping. I don't know what's going on.

I don't know what he's doing. We do, guys, we do Hayes for the top five. It's a dramatic font. What, Billy, go ahead. Quarterbacks that will win the game? Yeah. Quarterback's never on the field. On the field.

When's the last time he played? Number one, Patrick. Number one, Patrick Mahomes. Hey, he's not right now at Mahomes. No, he's still the change when it comes to last two minutes, who you fear. It's still Patrick Mahomes until he gets dethrone. But Dan's point is 100% correct. Got the rings, baby.

ringing it. Patrick and I just look at those red. Look at the jewelry first and look at the yards per attempt second when he's got no surrounding talent. No surrounding talent. Look, the Chiefs, it's a great division they play in and they may well not win the division, but I'll take your bet and give you odds if you don't think the Chiefs are a playoff team. They are. I'm not saying they're not a playoff team. Again, I will say it again and again. And there's not a rebuttal to it. It's no longer fun to watch an offense that I assumed would always. go over 30 points every single game they're playing. I don't see how you argue against that. I don't. You said the chiefs are dead. That's what she said. And it's okay. It doesn't have to be one or the other. It can be, hey, I don't like watching their offense and they are dead. But you said both things. I feel like my dad was just. And you said that Baker Mayfield's better than Patrick Mahomes

and Tom Brady. I mean, Dan, what an hour for you. My dad will just have everyone in like still in it. They're o' and two. It's still in it. It's still in it. Right. They have elite coaching, they have a great defense, they're okay. Rushie Rice is going to be back soon. They're probably going to trade. He's not going to be back soon. He's out six games. They're probably going to trade for Tyree Kill. They're going to be okay.

He's going to play Sunday night for them. Greg, just in analyzing throughout the history of sport, when you start 0 and 3 in that sport, your season tends to be done. Yeah. Almost statistically always. I saw yesterday four people, I think four teams have started O-N-3 and made the playoffs since 1990. Are you talking about the Dolphins or the Chiefs? Do you think the Chiefs are going to lose to the Giants? The Bengals are the one that keep doing that three times, right?

The Bengals. I was talking about the dolphins starting O'N-3 and how behind Greg is, because the Chiefs are a different O-N-2 than the Dolphins are. The Dolphins are a calamitous O-N-2. The Dolphins are the worst O-N-2 there is in the entire league. Worse than Houston's, worse than the Saints. worse than Carolinas. Oh, and two off.

I like this. The Dolphins, look, no other team in the sport has this around them. Not this around them. Banners, the Texans did boo last night. The Texans fans were booing during that game. C.J. Stroud spoiled them the first season. They can't block anyone up the middle, and that offense is now all of a sudden neutralized. You said you're not used to.

Quarterbacks coming in and immediately being good. C.J. Strouds kind of started that trend. And the first couple of times I saw that. One of the first times I saw it was Cam Newton's first game. He threw for like 400 yards. Usually that's not something that you see. But C.J. Stroud convinced us that he was a good quarterback. But he's now spent more time in the pros with us wondering whether he's a good quarterback

than he spent being a good quarterback. I'm worried he stinks. I'm going to say that out there. I'm just going to put that out there for everybody to think about. I'm worried he stinks. Because we've seen it before. I know injuries played a role too, but Robert Griffin was amazing his first year. Look at the year.

And, like, there's anything up to that, you know. So we've seen some of these guys. Cam Newton was able to sustain it somewhat. But we've seen a few of them before Jaden Daniels. I see your dolphins Owen 2, and I raise you a Chicago Bears own two. They have a bad-o-and-a-abarrassing loss. Worse point differential than the Dolphins. And I would argue Houston, because they made the playoffs last year,

their expectations were much higher than the dolphins. Neither of those coaches are going to be fired after week three in a conversation. Like, and Zaslow fired. The Bears' coaches. He just got hired, so he's not going to be fired. He's got a little slack. Andy Reid might be on the hot seat now, though. Oh, and two as well.

Yeah, since the Chiefs are dead. You mentioned, by the way, Zaslo, Cam Newton, was okay after that. Yeah, he won MVP after that. Like, he was, he opened with a 400-yard game and then went 15-1 and won the MVP. I don't think he's somewhat sustained what he did. Somewhat sustained. Well, he didn't have 400 yards every game. But he was MVP of the league.

He did somewhat sustain it to become an MVP. How about you try and recover that fumble in the Super Bowl? Stay there and watch. Yeah, there you go. Disappointing career, Cam Newton, based on talent, based on how it started, in my opinion. Ooh, put it on the poll at Lebitrar's show. Did Cam Newton have a disappointing career at Levitator show?

He won an MVP and played in a Super Bowl. Yeah, you don't agree. I'm surprised. I mean, he was pretty great. That Carolina team is one of the worst collection of talents I've seen in a Super Bowl other than the one Rex Grossman. to the Super Bowl. Like, that team was 15 and 1.

You know how often Cam Newton has been mentioned in the same breath as pro football law of fame? Never. Okay, but he was the MVP of the league. Okay. Other people have been and not made, you know, people have great cities. They were Washington net a kicker who was the MVP of the league. Okay, Mark Mosley's the same.

What year was that? So Mark Mosley and 83, just to be clear. Even if Mark Mosley's watching this right now, he's like, where that comes? I think it was 82 the strike season. We should put up Cam Newton's career stats and Mark Mosley's. Chris, that's on the screen. Mark Mosley's son would be like, that's not true. He won an MVP.

I want a side by side of Cam Newton and Mark Mosley. I want what Chris is imagining there, which is Mark Mosley waking up in the morning, firing up the YouTube, watching our show, and being just like, making coffee, in the distance, he's like, hell yeah.

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Go to Santa Fe University and just take a picture. Stugats. I would die. I don't know where it is. This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugats. Are you guys in agreement that Dallas's kicker would have made that from 75 yards on Sunday? He's got a boom. That's crazy. Could have been 80. He's ridiculous. How is that a thing? He was kicking it from his own 45-yard line, and he made it easily.

Dan, they ran a running play. The play before, they were like, no, we're good. He's going to make it. I was like, wait, what? Can someone for a draw play? Can someone explain how the kickers have gotten so advanced in the last, like, 10 years? Like, in golf, you can explain it with the golf clubs. You know what I mean? Like, is it their shoes? Like, I know bigger, faster, stronger, but it's just the jump.

Oh, this, that's the guy? That's Mark Mosley. Did he run straight at the ball? That's Cam Newton's comp. I do think they should bring back the single bar helmet. The single bar helmet is awesome. Oh, yeah. Kickers always used to wear.

those do uh what was the name of the kicker was it dempsey who had half a foot Tom Dempsey had half a foot and and used a steel toe in his shoe and now that's what the kickers now are doing I allege they're all using steel-toed shoes like Tom Dempsey no they're not they're not using it's like the sticky stuff in baseball he's alleging we don't know for sure I'm alleging had half a foot it makes sense wasn't there a kicker who used to kick barefoot there have been a few There have been a handful of kickers who have been barefoot kickers. But when Greg says that he had a steel-toed shoe, he was kicking the ball with the toes. That's not something they do anymore.

Like straightforward, right? Yes, they're straightforward. They weren't coming from the side and they weren't kicking it with the top of their foot. Why they stopped that? You get some good power on that. The Gogolix. Didn't you try that dad when we went to St. Thomas for your 50-yard field goal? You first tried doing it straight at it.

Yeah, I was better soccer style. Yeah. Chris, I have told you, okay, in sports, throughout sports, sports, Sports Illustrated did an article about this about eight or nine years ago. Nothing has improved more anywhere across sports than the accuracy of kickers versus what it is that that was once upon a time where they go into the 90 percentile or the 80 percentile range, and it's mathematically, it was true eight or nine years ago, it's mathematically so, empirically so, that nothing in sports has been more improved than

the kicker. And also, if you got a job in football, I understand that the pressure of this job seems unpleasant. Like the Bucks kicker last night was falling apart. The Bengals kicker the other day was falling apart because of the pressure with the job. But it's a really good job to have. If you never have to get hit, you could get paid millions of dollars. And all you're doing all the time is the lonely sculpting and perfecting of that one thing. And you're doing it so clinically and so always that you get as good at it, that you're making kicks from your own 45-yard line. Well, the Brandon Aubrey lore is that him and his wife were watching a game and then if kicker missed a field goal. And then she's like, you could do that. And he's like, wait a second,

I can do that. Well, he was a soccer player. For sure. But his wife was like, he was retired. His wife's like, hey, you could miss those. Yeah, but he didn't play football. Right. Like, he played soccer. Like, that's what he did. And then he's like, yeah, I can go out and do it. And now became the best kicker in the league. There's no reason. that a really good, like, collegiate soccer player who is not going to go to the next level, can't then decide to try out to be a place kicker. You mentioned McLaughlin, the kicker for the Bucks, missing. He did the rare point to the sky after a miss.

Usually, they don't do it if they miss. I respect that. After a make, they, like, do this thing. He missed it. And he gave a very subtle, just like, thanks anyways. Thank you. There was a Texan last night that did the same thing on a, what he thought was a sack, and it was just Baker Mayfield getting a first down.

like tackled him two yards beyond the first down and was celebrating as if he'd gotten a sack when all it was was Tampa was really happy because it wasn't anything other than a successful first down for Tampa. Here's an example of the evolution of place kickers in the NFL. The first story Dolphins place kicker was Gary your premier from the Super Bowl era. And his career accuracy percentage was 65%. You do that in the preseason now and you don't make the roster. Barnwell was asking on the Dominique

Foxworth show if the Cowboys could get a first round pick for Brandon Aubrey. Could they and he was also asking the question, it's your life savings. What would I have to set the number at where you're not nervous that

Aubrey will come up short? Like where do I have to put up the number you're betting your life savings and you're betting against the kick coming up short? How long was the kick on Sunday? It was 64 yards and he made it easily from the from his own 45 46 yards if it was a 70 yard kick i would take the under yeah you have to no i wouldn't take i wouldn't take the under on 70 he made what do you

but he's not doing like i guarantee you he still has kicks where he comes up short on that i'm not saying he's not capable of it chris but what what tony said is accurate with seven seconds left in that game dallas was just trying to get the ball to the middle of the field like they weren't trying to get down the field closer. They knew they were in his range, and everyone was questioning how stupid it was to simply run right up the middle if you could just throw an out for six yards, but they didn't need it because that that guy can obviously make 70-yard field goals. Now, I'm talking about coming up short, though.

I'm not talking about actually making the field goal. Yeah. I'm saying he kicks the ball. You've got to be right. It's your life savings. Where do I put the number where you're nervous that he's going to come up short? If he had to kick another 64-yarder, I'm still going to think he's going to come short.

If he kicks the ball from his own territory, even if it's his own 49, I would root again. Not root. I would bet against him making that. But you did see how easily he made the 64-yard. So from his own 49, it's a 67-yard field goals we're talking about. I'm with Dan, though.

Dan's making you put your life-saving on this. So you guys are being a little flipping with this. Guys, he was on his own 45. It wasn't the ball, but the ball was spotted. The ball, when it was held down for the kick, was at his own 45-yard line. That's where he kicked it from. Right. So it was a 65-yarder.

Right. Okay. Does anybody think longer field goals are good for the NFL, good for the sports watchability? I don't think field goals in general are good for the NFL. I'd like to eliminate them all together. And now we're seeing more of them. I'm serious when I said I think they should be shortening the posts. Not quite as thin as arena football was, but I absolutely.

I mean, Dave Damashick came in and he wants an actual box that he got to kick. I mean, not doing that, but I think the post should be much closer together. Can I get Mike McDaniel sound here, please, that we didn't play yesterday because I don't believe this is happening around the Bears. I don't believe this is happening around the Saints. I don't believe this is happening around Carolina, where people are listening to the hometown coach, and they're just tired of him yammering in circles.

To win games, you have to win the game. not lose the game. Honestly. And that is how you lose the game. You're moving the ball down the field. You're first in 10 and then you find yourself at second and 20. That was critical. I'm glad he's being honest. So to win the game, you have to not lose the game. To win games, you have to win the game, not lose the game. He ain't wrong. Honestly. Honestly. I mean, it is honest and it is true. I appreciate his honesty. Yeah. What is Big Mac saying? Have you guys checked in with Big Mac? Billy, have you checked in with Big Mac? Every time I come in through the car port, he gives me a thumbs down, and then I'm driving away, and he's just shouting at me how the dolphin stink.

Yeah, he's not happy with the current state of affairs. Big Max, take of the day. I told you. You had it right the whole time. I knew it because I can't stand. I feel sorry for him in a sense, but it's time for him to get out of here. I'm tired of looking at that sad. Greer, McDaniel, Tua.

All of them, do it. I told you, do it. It irks me. And then he called out the whole dog-bone team. He don't talk about itself. It's all we. You're the one messing or something. I told you, if we lose the game, if we lose it, it was going to be because of him.

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