The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Local Hour: Don't Disparage The Upset Bird

Episode Date: April 24, 2025

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So I don't like to complain about what's apparent and everybody who lives in South Florida knows rush hour getting from Broward to Miami is a pain in the ass. But more so today, I don't know why i left the house at the same time normally i get here twenty minutes earlier love love love so uh... and i'm breathing heavily on my mom you do seem a chris you've been laughing at him his hair is a little discombobulated he seems frazzled he sounds frazzled he he's rushing in three minutes beforehand.

Draft day's hell week for him. Sure. Yeah, I'm a person who likes to show up early and not feel rushed. And today I showed up late and I feel rushed, so I'll catch up. Don't worry about me, kid. I do worry about you every time that you're in because you tend to derail things with the way that you don't do things according to protocol. It's one of the reasons that Zazz has been, Zazz and Dominique I think are perpetual, I don't want to speak for them, but they're perpetually, they've said on this show that they're frustrated that some basic things that could be easily learned around here are things you refuse to learn. Yeah, like what?

Radio. The doing of broadcasting. Okay, I was under the impression I was speaking into a mic right now, that people were hearing it. Very often that mic is not in front of your face. But if I was allowed one day to write a column in the Herald, and I wrote it in crayon, that would bother you, right? Yeah, well, it would bother the reader

because we don't publish crayons so what you wrote would never be published. But you'd be offended, you're like, well like this is not how we do it. Well how do you do it? Well I don't know because I don't write in the newspaper. Zazz believes he's every bit the journalist you are. Well yeah, like I think today's gonna be fun just three journalists chopping it up here. Okay, well we went into this journalist argument before. To me, if you're talking about the Panthers while wearing a Panther shirt, you recuse yourself as a journalist. I disagree. Okay. I mean, I went to the College of Journalism at the University of Florida. I graduate, I have a degree, I'm a journalist. Okay, well because you have a degree in journalism,

doesn't make you a journalist unless you choose to pursue a career in journalism. I don't think that's true. I think if I have a degree in journalism, that makes me a journalist. Guys, guys, guys, you fell for it. You fell for it. He came out the gate, shit-stirring,

and you fell for it. You took the bait, you ran with it. You're having an argument about journalism Just defending my education. No you're Zazz you got to be better than that you got to be better Greg you see what this guy's doing in the middle I do and I'm just saying I'll leave it at this if I have to agree a degree in botany, but I'm not a botanist I Don't call myself a botanist But to my call myself a botanist but to Mike's point the so-called feud or whatever you choose to call it between Zazzle and I is totally contrived

by this guy. Well, yeah. Get him guys, get him. I'm getting wise. I have nothing against Zazzle. I don't know him well enough to have any animus whatsoever. I could speak for myself. This is the Don LeBattor Show with the Stoogats Podcast.

I begin with an apology to the audience that I missed this yesterday. Many of you rushed into the breach to say that Greg Cody owes $50 because yesterday he killed Marv Levy on the air very early in the show. Nobody here corrected him. I don't know how old Marv Levy is, but he is still with us. 99. That means that Greg Cody owes $50, $50, and also he owes $5 because his phone went off. So he owes $55.

Can we get the sound here of Greg Cody with all of his hair disheveled from traffic? Greg Cody, yesterday on the show, killing Marv Levy. When the anonymous quotes come flying from the people who still admire Robert De Niro as a marquee movie star The old coaches are speaking anonymously. I hate this one of the many reasons. I hate this time of year Well, if if Marv Levy and Don Schuehler were still alive the reference would have been there are no Lawrence Olivier's in this draft So we we have moved forward on that

Progress I can't believe I missed that Well, can I say something in all seriousness? I apologize to Marv Levy and his family. I didn't say that as a joke. I honestly didn't know he was still alive. And I do think, I don't know who the commissioner of the fine bucket is, or if you're still calling in a fine bucket, but I appeal to the commissioner that a $50 fine should be reduced when the person I quote unquote killed is of the age ninety nine in other words

yet when someone is ninety nine or would have been ninety nine i think that that is a little bit of a fair assumption that they might no longer be around induct when marv levy turns a hundred in august the city of buffalo, the bills, the NFL should throw this guy a parade. He's a Hall of Famer in my opinion. Because time's running out.

What if? Well, 100, I mean, who lives to be 100? I kinda get where Greg is going with this. Alberta. I think if the person's in the upper 90s, the fine goes down to like 45 bucks. Tiered system. Yeah, it's a tiered system.

Yeah, I think so. It goes down to like 40 bucks. Ifed system. Yeah, it's a tiered system. Yeah, I think so. It goes down to like 40 bucks. Thank you. If you kill someone who's in their 90s, it's like $25. If they're in their 80s, it's $35. If they're in their 70s, you get to 50. It's minus five for every year, over 100 they live.

Okay. None of you are allowed to be in charge of the fine bucket. None of you respect the fine bucket. And this is a hard and fast rule, no need for dilution or nuance if someone's alive and you say they're dead fifty dollars it's like there's no we don't need judges we don't need any we don't need to do to do any gerrymandering here in order to get the right uh... votes that we want it's hard and fast he killed somebody who's not dead fifty

dollars you know in a democracy you're allowed to appeal a verdict not a democracy fifty dollars a if the person is alive and you make them dead you owe fifty dollars I'm gonna get my personal assistant on that no Chris come in here and make sure your father pays this please grab his phone I would but the phone is no by your mandate fine I know what the passcode is right now I'm tired of cash I can not paying any of the fines we're gonna put an end to that we're gonna get back to the assortment I know what the passcode is. No, it's been changed. I'm tired of him not paying any of the fines. We're gonna put an end to that. We're gonna get back to the assortment of things

to talk about today. I'm guessing Zaslow and Heat fans enjoyed last night simply because Jimmy Butler got hurt. Not at all. That was awful. I'm bummed about that. I didn't enjoy that. But I'm not a Heat fan nor am I Zazzle.

I don't believe any of you. I know that you guys will say publicly whatever it is that you wanna say. I believe the fact that Jimmy Butler left the game and then champion Steve Kerr says, well, once that happens, we don't know what we're doing. I wanted Jimmy to lose in five. Like I wanted the Warriors to lose.

I won't shy away from that. I didn't want the Heat to get potentially swept in the first round and have the Warriors go on some miraculous run, of course. But watching Jimmy Butler get hurt in the postseason is one of the worst things to watch. He's one of the greatest postseason performers that we have.

And as an NBA fan, as a basketball fan, you're miserable. And as a Heat fan, you don't wanna see the guy hurt. You just don't wanna see him win. Jeremy, you don't want to see the guy hurt. Oh, that's the nice thing to say, Jeremy. Jeremy, you don't know Miami or Miami fans very well. If you think you're speaking for all Miami fans there. I don't think I'm speaking for all Miami fans. I think I'm speaking for more Miami fans than not, though. I don't think anybody wants to see the guy get hurt.

I got so many texts last night. Hey, can't believe Jimmy got hurt two games in. Like, my phone just filled up. That's how I got the news Don't tell me that everyone's being nice about this. I didn't say everyone's being nice about it I said, I think most heat fans with a with a soul are looking at this and saying hey It's a shame that that he got hurt like I don't think anybody wants to see that I think there there might be people who send the text of,

I told you so, and that's a different thing. Knowing that the guy puts his body out on the line and being worried about paying long contracts and blah, blah, blah. That's a different thing than I'm feeling glee over the fact that he's injured and won't make a run now, right? I have found very little around here

pleases people more consistently than being able to say I told you so. Oh, that's the best. That's right. And so all of these things get muddled. Like you can sit here and say, I have a soul because I feel bad secretly, but also I told you so.

Those things don't go together. Like there's some happiness involved with just being able to not be miserable because the Warriors are 17 and one in their last 18 games. So you agree with me. That sounds like an agree. Yeah, you just agreed with everything I said. Thank you, census, that's great.

Yeah, good, all right. Good for us as a team, we did it. We changed someone's mind. I don't agree with you. I like the idea of all the people texting you thinking they're so original with their text. Oh, surprise, Jimmy Butler got hurt after one game. I'm not happy that Jimmy Butler got hurt.

The part that I am happy with, the part that does please me is I envision Pat Riley and the Heat front office like, yeah, this is why we weren't going to give him an extra $150 million on top of the two years that we've already guaranteed him, because that. Why do you guys think that Heat fans would be nicer about this than people were when Anthony Davis limped off

the court and everyone took a certain glee in? Ah, see? Well, because that was funny. That was funny. Chippenhurst's not funny. This is also, we don't know how bad this injury is. He's got a bruise on his pelvis. Right.

He could tough that one out. He was ruled out really quick. He can tough this one out. It could add to his playoff legend, possibly. It was also like a freak injury. He's just going up for a board. Dude behind him trips over Draymond. It kind of looked dirty initially.

Or maybe he did it on purpose. You think? Man, if he did, Draymond would have went at him. But Draymond was kind of looked dirty initially. Or maybe he did it on purpose. You think? I mean, if he did, Dreymon would have went at him, but Dreymon was kind of responsible because the dude kind of tripped over Dreymon's leg. Yeah, it felt like he was just kind of trying to gain his balance, but I actually think that that's part of it, right?

If Jimmy was just like driving to the hoop and rolled an ankle without even stepping on anybody and it was that type of thing, a little bit of that I told you so maybe even creeps into what we're talking about, but when you see a nasty spill of that I told you so maybe even creeps in to what we're talking about, but when you see a nasty spill like that, I just don't think that there's anything to look at other than, oh man, this stinks, this stinks.

No, I think it's a freak injury obviously, but it's still along the lines of why the Heat don't trust him at this point in his career to give him additional money. Yeah, but I don't think I told you so is even in play here. Jimmy Butler is always going to be seen as the traitor who quit on the Heat and quit on Miami. You think he's always going to be seen as that? I think so. I don't believe that. I don't think so. I do too because he didn't win a championship here. Let's not

oversell the fact that. Well, but by local homers he'll be considered that, but that's not the national reputation of Jimmy Butler. Jimmy Butler is now golden forever based on what we've already seen. The surprise we've already seen makes him golden forever as one of the most surprising things he's seen in the history of the NBA postseason. And what I was about to say before you put a pause on my comment was that he won the trade already. Like Jimmy Butler is a darling in Golden State. He won the trade, particularly because, you know, Wiggins, look, Davion Mitchell and Wiggins are pretty good, and they showed it, or Davion showed it last night.

Not Wiggins. Are they, I'm not totally sure. I don't know, is Davion Mitchell good? I don't even know. Let's explore last night's game. Finish your thought. I didn't mean to put a pause on your thoughts there. One way to say it.

I think in South Florida, he's always gonna be the trader who quit on the heat and pouted his way out of Miami. I think nationally, you're right. He's feathering his legend, particularly if they somehow win the championship. And he won the trade. He got what he wanted.

He got the money he wanted. He got the team, the situation he wanted. He loves it. He didn't quite get the team that he wanted. Well, he got the money he wanted, he got the teams, the situation he wanted, he loves it. He didn't quite get the team that he wanted. Well, he won the trade. Shaq's not thought of that way. Shaq did the exact same thing. It was probably less messy, but that didn't mean it wasn't messy at all.

But isn't that because Shaq kinda did it in the shadows? Well, I guess, and media was different there, and Shaq has something that Jimmy doesn't have, a championship in a Miami Heat uniform, but I do think time will heal all wounds, especially for a younger generation that maybe was adolescent during the Big 3 era, Jimmy was their guy. And Jimmy is like the face that they associate with the franchise. Well, he won, he became the face of Heat culture wrongly. I don't think he was ever the face of

Heat culture, but look, the way he left is is never going to be forgotten it may be regarded as a great by you the noise of the moment with real legacy the noise of the moment isn't something that echoes okay this is this is fifteen years of career and dream on green punched a teammate not how will be remembered right like that's it the noise of the the noise of the moment is not the thing that sticks. I think that when we look back at the totality of his career, it's going to be more, he couldn't land anywhere.

He was never happy anywhere. I mean, yes, he had the bubble run with the heat, but I think he will be thought of more generally as a guy who was really good that just couldn't fit in anywhere. As a journalist, I would tell you that I think that that's not going to be the way he's remembered here Let's talk about the specifics of last night's game Cleveland Extraordinary of threes the way that Cleveland can beat Boston is by being better than threes

Better threes than Boston in last night's game the heat put together offensively a second quarter They kind of want to put together six threes in a a second quarter that's you do that over the course of the game you've made 24 threes that's kind of what it is that you want to do. However they're down 17 because Cleveland's made five more threes than them in the second period. It's the most ever in a quarter in an NBA postseason and the Heat just basically trailed the entire game and then late in the game they got close. I'm curious how the rest of you feel about this. The Heat have only two players who are all-stars and one of them that they need to be huge in this series is

floating around the perimeter and assists and taking three pointers and trying to out three the calves by Bams taking threes on the perimeter and they're also down 17 at the half because they're getting nothing at the rim nothing is happening at the rim and Cleveland saying go ahead BAM well we'll let Davion Mitchell and and Tyler Hero try to take their chances we're not gonna let you beat us and B like, OK, I won't be the one who beats you. You guys as Heat fans, how do you feel when you've got your Dream Team guy, your All-Star,

floating around the perimeter as a non-factor all game? And I'm saying this even though he had nine assists. I feel like we can't do this every single year. For real. Meaning we know who he is by now and that means he can't be your number two scoring option. He's a guy who, all right whoa how about that BAM game where he had 29 in game four that was amazing. He's not going to be relied upon to be able to do that. He's a number three

scorer who could do other things as good as anybody in the league, and that's going to be this Heat team's shortcoming this postseason because they don't have that top guy. Like, we can't keep doing this about BAM. We know we can. Well, what about this other part of it, though? Like, Tyler Hero's been the screener defender

on 50 pick and rolls through two games, and the Cavs are generating 1.2 points per possession. We saw what Darius Garland said their strategy was going into yesterday, right? He literally said, he didn't say pick on their bad defenders, he said pick on Tyler Hero. It's a weird flex. Jeremy was explaining to me that Tyler totally cooked Darius. He cooked everybody last night. It's funny, look, Tyler is the guy they're going after on defense, it's obvious and when they're putting them in the pick and roll They're getting everything that they want

Tyler is gonna need to take some pride in the defensive end if the heat are gonna be able to do anything in these next couple of games But Tyler also had 33 six and five last night efficiently and was Clearly the best offensive player on the floor for either team Until the final five minutes when when Donovan Mitchell showed the type of first-team all-NBA superstar that he is. Well the Cavs rightly have the luxury of treating Hiro as the only offensive threat on that team and I thought that really shone through last night. This was a game where they needed and I'm gonna say BAM

and Wiggins they needed one of those guys. Emphasis on Wiggins. To have a big game. Bam and Wiggins together had 21 points on six of 19 shooting. They're never going to beat a team in the playoffs, let alone the highest scoring team in the league, the number one team. Wiggins was three for 10, 10 points in 28 minutes.

Doesn't look anything like the champion contributor that he was for the Warriors. He helped win the Warriors a title he was that kind of important Bam had 11 points on nine shot attempts but let's hear from Darius Garland here again Tyler here has been the screener defender on 50 pick and rolls through two games. Since the trade deadline Miami's been really good at turning teams over but the first two games you guys have really held on to it. What's the key to playing clean basketball like that against a team like that?

Pick on Tyler Hero and take care of the ball. Don't play in tight spaces. Pick on their weak defenders. Go at them. Is it less racist if the Cleveland Indians all goes upside down? I don't know. It's a cool hat, bro. You guys think what of that

because when the Heat lose, they've lost more games this season than they've won. They don't belong on the floor with that team. That team has been exceptional all season, is better than them in every way. The real only advantage that you have in that series is that you hope that over seven games, Spolstra can figure out playing the same team

again and again and again, that he's got something for them later in the series. Well, he was tweaking with the lineup a little bit. Guys that hadn't played in a long time are finding themselves playing way more minutes than they're probably prepared for, but look, this is a one versus eight matchup. But Miami's going back to home court and I do think that Miami has a shot.

The series hasn't started yet. Yeah, it hasn't even started. Well, Miami has a shot to make this an exciting series for the locals. The series sort of has started and crushed the heat. Spolstra has a reputation as the master adjuster and I get that. His record going in the last night was ten and three in game twos after his team had lost the opener so and and he started davian mitchell i thought that worked out well uh... but

you know he he's not a miracle man and it takes a miracle right now he you know he tried to put the positive spin afterward he he said after the game i thought this was sort of weird i thought it was an off-key note by him, he said at the end of the day we were two points down, meaning late in the game with like four and a half minutes left. It was 101.99 late in the fourth. And I would say Spowe with due respect at the end of the day you're in a two-nothing hole, you've been outscored by 30 points, you don't have a second offensive option against the best scoring team in the league. Where is your lane to victory? And I can't see it right now.

I think their lane to victory is math. And that's why they shot more threes. Like they were clearly emphasizing we need to shoot more threes than we did in game one, which they did. And this way, let's just play with the math. If we get really hot from three, that ends up being the great equalizer. Jessica thinks you're pathetic. I saw the look on her face. It can never be the lane to victory, Matt. I know, I think Jeremy's pathetic.

Jeremy just delivered the most absurd theater kid basketball analysis line that I've ever heard from him, which is really saying a lot. My dad was talking about the adjustments that Spoh made and criticizing him last night, and Jeremy just back here. His adjustments were spectacular. It's just like they lost, they're down to 0-2.

The only reason they were even in that game is the differences that they made in the rotation. Moving Davion Mitchell into the starting lineup, playing Niko Jovic and playing Pella Larsen. I had no idea he was even available. Right, Niko Jovic ends up playing, just to show you the disparity in these teams, right? Like, the Heat just decided to ride a hot lineup

that included a guy who hasn't played since February for the final, you know, basically 15 minutes of that game and that's the lineup that got them back in it because they're still in this space with this roster of, I don't really know who we are, I don't really know what we have. And so changing the math was what they tried to do early in the game, they tried to get Wiggins involved,

and he couldn't get going, and honestly, that was part of the reason Bam ended up taking four threes with like two seconds left in the shot clock. They do know what they have, they know it's not good enough, and so they try a bunch of other things that they don't know will work,

because what they do know is that what they have will not work in the formations that they've been using them. The emphasis that he put on spectacular was hilarious. The adjustments were real and they were spectacular. Okay, Spoh was raving about Jovich after the game. We're a different team with him on the floor. Fine, that may be, but what I saw last night was Rust falling all off the floor against him.

He was one for eight against threes. If that's the impact they need, I don't see it. God, how exciting would it have been if Jovich hit that shot in the corner? Would have brought them within one. Oh, come on. Had no legs. But the adjustments were a tour de force. Yeah, you mentioned that.

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How you love that catchphrase Bad news for opposing teams in the triple A Stu Gatz Triple A! Stugats! He's all smiles, till the broads are clutch again! Clutch again! Clutch again! This is the Dan LeBattar Show, with the Stugats! There's been some overreaction around here. Zadzlo stormed in today saying that Joe Mazzullo should be in prison. He should. He should. This is not normal societal behavior we're seeing from this person you go back to

the last game and Jason Tatum is writhing in pain on the ground and Missoula not only doesn't allow the trainer to check on him looks annoyed yeah he's annoyed that the guy who just wants to do his job and make the guy who is hurt feel better He's a- that's his job He's annoyed that that guy might want to make his player feel better And then he shouts to Tatum Get up! He barks at him while he's- while he then has to go take an x-ray and ends up missing game 2

Alright? Get up! The guy's hurt! And then last night Chris stops pushing us he he takes a really nasty elbow to the head he's he's dripping blood on the ground and then after the game pushing us was funny he had like these red blood streaks in his hair you know while he's playing with. And then after the game, Mazula, he says he likes that his player was bleeding.

Let's play that sound here of a Joe Mazula that Zaslow says should be imprisoned. I like his overall just approach. I think he has an ability, an innate ability to take things very serious at the same time, you know, have great perspective. And, you know, you see how he, I think he can control his environment really well with how he handles the crowd and how he handles the physicality of it. And he can maintain his kind of, his poise. And he just has a great way about him.

And I think that helps us. And like, yeah, I do, I love watching him, I like watching him bleed on the court. I think it's important. And then he comes back in and does his job. So I do like that about him. Dan, if Jeremy hit his head on the side of the desk. That's a bad example.

Dan would love that. Everyone would love if I was bleeding. Oh, we're going to go viral? He might want me to go out there and start bleeding now. Spectacular. So that way I can say things about adjustments and have gushing blood from my face. If Roy, if Roy hit his head on the side of the desk there

and he's bleeding, is Dan's response, is your response, I enjoy watching Roy bleed. Can we just look at the end at Missoula? Again, is he in a costume? It depends. Freeze frame on Missoula here because the difference in the eyes. Yeah, the he in a costume? It depends. Freeze frame on Missoula here because the difference in the eyes. Yeah, the difference in the eyes makes him,

when he's saying that he likes to see his players bleed, that just objectively, empirically doesn't look sane. I wanna ask the group here, do you have a lot of other settings where a seven foot three man is getting elbowed in the head? Like physically it seems like outside of wrestling something falling out of the sky it seems like it's a little difficult to elbow somebody who's seven foot three in the head.

You take a high-risk maneuver. How did you pronounce Kristop's name? He said Porzingis. Yeah, that's how you say it. Porzingis. Can I go back to the imprisonment of this coach? I'm a linguist also and a journalist. Oh, a linguist, okay. No, you're not. I remember I'm a lingo-ist.

Famously mispronounced Matthew Kachuck's name. Lingo star over here. Nice. What would be the charge? I'm just curious because when i hear what he said i don't hear anything wrong uh... champion coaches can say whatever they want and it is categorized as genius

uh... that's just a motivational thing to say nothing more than that what would be the charge that a jury would convicted in prison him on i'm just curious not fit for society but it's like it's a general like a danger a danger to people like you, Greg. Yeah? If that person is allowed to roam free

in the same area that you are allowed to roam free, I worry for your safety. Okay. So you think that that coach, Missoula, you think that out of uniform, Why are you leaning away from the microphone? Out of the context of basketball. Because he's feeling pretty confident that he shouldn't be imprisoned for what he said

i think he's feeling good about his point so he's winding up here well i i i just it's a move us journalists use sometimes just coaches i mean it why are we upset that he's hold on to his coaches what have you ever heard another coach yell at his player who is hurt and writhing in pain on the ground and yell for him he is agitated that his player is not getting up from being injured. Yeah, works for him. Jason Tatum missed the game last night, I don't know that worked. Okay, I think he's done pretty well. I think he's earned the benefit of doubt to motivate and coach in a way that he

lost to an eightat two years ago. Okay. How about last year? How'd that work out? I told you there was tension here and you guys said there's not. Yeah, there's friendly disagreement. About you guys being the same kind of journalist, the two of you? Oh, here we go. Look at this guy. Just stirring it back up. You know, for Missoula though, without Tatum last night, his adjustments were picturesque.

Yeah, you mentioned that. I'm not wearing a heat hat, by the way. Hat? Backwards, you're not wearing a heat hat backwards. Why do you think you're a better journalist than Zaslow is? Merely because I am a journalist. So by process of elimination, that makes me a better journalist.

I mean, it's your opinion. Okay. All right. I don't think people see someone who barks into a radio wearing a heat hat and a panther's jersey as a journalist. No offense to Zaslow who's very very good at what he does. Bark's very dismissive. Yeah. That is an offense. Like I'm a dog. Yeah yeah when you said barks and you made him not human, yeah, that's a little offensive. I said no offense is as good as he's very good at what he does. Yeah, but just because you say no offense, hey, Greg, you're an asshole, no offense. Yeah, thank you.

Like that's, you can't just throw in a no offense after you've offended to exonerate your offense. Yeah, well. And you've offended my education. I have a degree in journalism. From Santa Fe. But you didn't pursue the degree. That's not true.

You didn't pursue the degree. Hate that shit. Do you do journalism though? Because it's like a thing you do. Thank you, Jesse. What's inaccurate? Hold on, what's the fake news? Where's the journalism?

She went to Santa Fe. He did, but that's not where he got the picture. No, I didn't! No, I didn't! I've never stepped foot on that campus. If you told me right now, your life depends on it, go to Santa Fe University and just take a picture. I would die. I don't know where it is. Why, speaking to the mic like a professional journalist and broadcaster, Why do we think that you went to Santa Fe? I don't know, because we had a conversation, you told me you went to Santa Fe.

Yeah. Straight up lying. I think that's a community college. Not that there's anything wrong with that. You're right, it is a community college. Minor penalty, two minutes for lying. Straight up lying. Yes.

Imprison that man. There it goes. Imprison that man. Get the load Zazz I wanna play some sound here from yesterday of Greg Cody when he wasn't when he wasn't killing Marv Levy. He was also taking

a colleague, Andrew Hawkins and for some reason calling him I believe it was Walter Hawkins Great name. Let's hear that sound please. I don't know Walter I don't know Walter. I don't know Walter. Okay, and the thing that got me a little bit upset was that you tried to make it seem like

Greg doesn't even know a coworker. He doesn't know someone he's worked with. I've never met this man. I have never worked with him. I have never seen him. I've never been in the same studio with him. I have never seen him. I've never been in the same studio with him. He played in the NFL and works with us at Metal Art. I feel like never met this man is also a

little bit dismissive. Why? It feels like you don't know. You need to quit barking. I don't know Walter. I think I know what happened here. Greg, you have been on this show for the last few weeks as we have tried not to spoil a very popular TV show. There is an actor who is on two different TV shows that get spoken around here a lot. His name is Walton Goggins. And I believe when you heard the name Andrew Hawkins,

you thought we were talking about Walton Goggins and called him Walter Hawkins. Am I right? You are not, but I wish you were because it's a great excuse you just gave me. Why didn't you just roll with it? I saw a lot of people tweeting that. I think a lot of people thought what Jeremy was thinking.

It had to. You heard Hawkins and thought Goggins. Dan also called him Walter once Now you guys accused me of calling him Walter Was an accusation I referred to him as Goggins and you guys said I was afraid of his first name I never called him Walter. That's not something that happened. I'm a big White Lotus fan. I know Goggins' work. What about Uncle Baby Billy? Yeah, he's great. In the last episode, he's driving a cyber truck, which was just magic.

Who wants to S an old man's D? I know. It's water skiing, dude. Censor in it. That's great. By the way, The Last of Us, I'm not gonna spoil it, even though it's, you know, right around spoileriler Alert Wednesday,

but The Last of Us caught me very much off guard in the last episode, I was not expecting that. I didn't see the last episode yet. You can spoil it, whatever. No, no, I'm not gonna spoil this. Is it Wednesday? No, that's why I'm not gonna spoil it. I did, I was gonna spoil it yesterday,

but I didn't, so now here we are. Oh, there's the new EP of the show, by the way. That is Chris Cody's daughter. She came in here today and called me a doodoo head. I don't know, that runs in the family, I guess. The Cody's passed that down. I am being told by producers that everyone is enjoying the tension between Zaslow and Greg Cody.

I've been enjoying it for many years. Like they have both come up in this market and I don't believe that Zaslow looks down on Greg Cody, but I do know, and I'm not saying Greg Cody looks down on Zas, but I do know that print journalists generally look down their nose at radio guys. That's a pretty common affliction in my history in this business. For some reason, the print guys think they're more noble

than the radio guys. I will say this, early in my career, before I got into broadcasting and podcasting and all this stuff, I might have thought that. Early in my career when the newspaper was still a big thing in the 80s and into the 90s, I might have thought that. I don't now. I mean, essentially I do what Zazz does a couple of days a week on your show. I have my own podcast. I'm totally into that, I respect what he does, but to your larger point, I do think I am a journalist and Zazz isn't.

Saying that, it doesn't mean I'm superior, it just, to me, I'm stating a fact. Oh, but I do believe you think that that's also superior. It doesn't mean that. It makes me different, but not superior. I'm not wearing a heat hat, you know? I'm not cheering for the heat. Which one do you think is more admirable if you were just looking at it from afar? Who do you respect or admire more, the person who has a print journalist's resume or the

person who has a radio person's resume? Okay, I mean, I would argue that I have both at this point in my career. But that's not the question I was asking you like who did which one do you respect more like just if I if I put in front of you a great radio broadcaster and a great print journalist who gets more respect from you? Well it's impossible to answer because one of the people I respect the most in this entire business is Tony Tony Kornheiser who's been really great at both and you can do both

so i'm not going to you know i'm not going to be forced to say in either or where it's sort of an apples and oranges thing i get what he's saying i'm i'm not offended as as a journalist i know the way this game works is very competitive i understand okay so you didn't go to santa fe where did you go to college? I have a degree from the University of Florida. In journalism. Wow.

I went to the University of Florida. Yours is from FAU, correct? Yeah. Actually, empirically speaking, he's got the better journalism degree. Like, that's a fact. Okay. That's not subjective. And at one point, Zaz had a conversation with himself and said,

you know what, I've got this journalism degree from a top-notch college. That's right. But I've decided not to be a journalist. I'm just going to yuck it up on the radio. I'm going to have fun. I'm going to wear Panthers jerseys. I'm just not going to be a serious journalist. How was the evolution of that decision?

I never made a decision because I'm a broadcast journalist. I'm doing it. I'm a journalist. Well, you're broadcasting. You're a print media journalist. I'm a broadcast journalist. I'm doing it. I'm a journalist. Well, you're broadcasting. You're a print media journalist. Among other things. I'm a broadcast journalist. We are in the mud.

You are a broadcast. Dan is so happy about this. You are broadcasting. God damn. Is this what you wanted? You are a broadcast. Dan is Kevin McCallister giggling at the top of the stairs.

He will be full for weeks. He is off of this. I've given that. Yeah, oh yeah. He just swung two paint cans at you guys. That's right. Just slipped on micro machines and he's just having the time of his life.

Yeah, and that's right. And what's at the end of it? A beautiful artistic tapestry for everyone to enjoy because we need more sparks around here because this is an echo chamber. This is not, not, not an echo chamber. You guys saw some of the numbers on Vasilevsky because uh... that's not a big it's what six goals and i don't know

he uh... this this is something in this tampa florida series but he's allowed six goals in tampa five times in his career three times it's been done by the Panthers. In the last game the Panthers scored I think five goals on 11 shots or something absurd

and Roy, Mike and Zaslow came in here Chris less so expecting that. Expecting that because if you've done it three times to him it's only happened to him five times at home, and you get six goals against a goalkeeper I've seen win the championship by being a hot goalkeeper. Tender. To see what it is, yes, sorry. Which is a surprise, because I know you love them tendies.

I do love those tenders. Yeah, I was a little surprised. I don't think that that sat is like that shocking. They've played each other in the last four post seasons. The Panthers sample compared to other teams is greater. But he kind of owned us those first two series. Yeah, look, those passing lanes against Tampa in game one were ridiculous.

Like we're literally just saucing air passes over to Sam Bennett in the middle Benin in the middle of the ice shrieking towards the net. How good is Mackie? Mackie is really good, really underrated. It's gonna suck when the Bruins sign him to a max tender. There's another tendee there, Dan.

Tonight's gonna be so good. Tonight's gonna be great. A 630 puck drop. 630 PM. God bless. Way better than the 830. A 630 puck draft. 630 PM. God bless. Way better than the 830. And this means, Zez. Kristin, no.

I just learned it's 630. You can watch the cats and then go into your Pearl Jam concert right after. Or the NFL draft. That is better than 830, I will say. For me at least. Jessica, you have no interest tonight in anything but the draft, correct?

Correct. You are zoned in and you're not someone who's going to greg kody's trying to break last year's record of nine exactos yeah he's feeling very confident that his mock draft is going to be successful if you've done any mock drafts i have not done any mock drafts but i do want greg kody's exactos before we finish the show today so that i can follow along from home similar to like a game of bingo or dango or whatever people play these days. I'm actually, I'll promote this, I'm doing a live report card on my mock draft tonight online in the Herald so it'll be a live analysis of the draft and a report card.

Behind the paywall? I have no idea. Now that as a journalist I never learned grading yourself, grading your own work. I did not learn that. Yeah. Well, the beauty of that is that it's all out there. Like, last year I happened to do very well. Nine exactos is excellent. It was better than Kuiper and a lot of other national names. Tonight, I may get three and I may be embarrassed publicly. What would that grade be if you got three? A D minus because I think the average, this is the 34th annual that I've done this. That tells you how old I am.

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