The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Local Hour: Entering Creepy Territory

Episode Date: May 28, 2025

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Billy, Chris, welcome back. Thank you. Thanks, Dad. Hey. Nice to see you guys. I will tell you what you missed, which is at the very end of Tuesday, as folks were leaving,

Wild Willy Wednesday began, and this is how Stugatz did it. You guys weren't here for this I wonder Tony I think you were here Stu gots was speaking to a very crowded room Oh, I was here for that from the boys and girls club of what are we gonna say between 15 and 20? Teenagers young teens great kids love those kids and their parents some Billy and Chris You will not be surprised by this, but I do think there's the risk that you will be appalled So what was the age range for the kids who were there with a smattering of adults high schools?

So probably like 9 to 12th grade. Yeah, but also young high school, correct? In the middle of the room while talking to the kids Stu got to always authentic never authentic Just hit them in the face with an f-bomb. Nice. I did. Yeah in what context? You know, I just said, if anyone told me I'd be doing this 20 years ago, I would have laughed them out of the fucking room. Yeah. No.

Unnecessary there, I'd say. It was unnecessary. Unnecessary there. I had no idea they were coming. I have to be honest with you, I had no idea. I was gonna have to speak to them, and so I just let it fly. Stigatz, I'm gonna tell you right now,

what you did was you bought credibility with them. Thank you. You're an adult who used an F-bomb in like an official setting. Kids love that. They do love it. He hits the coolest. Whatever this guy says, I'm following him forever.

Yes, that's what I do. Did someone ask you to speak to them or you just volunteered to do so? I walked out there and Mike Ryan seemed like he was out of words. And so I had to step in and say something. Mike kind of lobbed something over to you to say like, it's Stugots, why don't you say something?

Then he said that and then he kind of walked out and smoked a cigarette. So that's the secret. When Mike's around, just bring children in. He'll stop talking. Mike, out of words, is something I did not think I would ever hear. Well, to be honest, Mike went out.

So we were in the shipping container. It was me, Zaz, Mike, and Roy. And then the kids started piling up, and then Mike beelined it out. The moment he opened the door, he was on display. He was making things happen He was saying things for like 15 minutes straight was this like a reward for these children or a punishment like I mean It's respectfully like it was inspirational. He's a delinquents like this is like a scared straight situation I'm just asking I'm trying to get over kids. I'm trying no

I'm sure they were but I'm saying are we trying to set them on the straight and narrow here This is like a reward for like straight A's or something? Are we giving, are we trying to give? Like this could be you if you don't sharpen up, is what I'm trying to figure out. Well no, you weren't here, so they didn't see you. Or if you do sharpen up, this could be you. You know what I'm asking?

I think that Chris and Billy took that to a place that I was not expecting. I will ask you again, your thoughts on Stugatsch generally doing that to a group full of young men, I thought it was inappropriate. But I didn't even hear it, I was told about it afterward. There was just, there was murmuring through the crowd of shocked adolescents.

Who's this little guy who just. Don't be naive, man. Kids are cursed at the age of five. Yeah, those kids have heard that word before. little guy who just. Don't be naive, man. I mean, kids are cursing at the age of five. Yeah, those kids have heard that word before. He didn't introduce. Did you do that as a coach? My father. All the time, yes.

I will tell you guys, my father. Credibility. His oldest friends will remind him that he told a group of us who were seven or eight or nine years old, he reprimanded us for cursing one time, and he said, there is not anything to be gained by cursing. He yelled at us. Not a damn thing.

This is the Don LeBattor Show with the Stugatz Podcast. I don't know if this has ever happened to you guys because I don't think Stugatz and I live the same life. I think he does a very good job and has had to do a very good job over 20 years of sort of like shaking off that day's show and just going home and living his life so that it doesn't feel bad. But yesterday, I made a mistake that I took with me all the way home

because I saw across the room the just glee from the piranha because all of them leapt to attention when I described some of my friends as math friends. Dism math friends. Dear math friends. And so I just left the vulnerable opening to the group. The group saw it and said, oh, he's got math friends, does he?

Let's eviscerate him. Yes, Greg Cody's head was down. He looked up, we locked eyes. I looked at him, he looked at me, and we knew it was time to go in on Dan. I'm not gonna lie, I saw the clip, I wasn't in yesterday, I see the clip, and as Dan says it in my mind, I'm like,

man, I hope they pounce on him for this, and then 10 seconds later they did. I was very proud, proud of the boys. It was 10 seconds late, but I saw it on their face before then. I was trying to do what cats do with kitty litter before that, like, just, oh no, don't look at this, I don't want, but everyone leapt to attention. And so, so the thing i wanted to ask ameen off of

last night's game because stugats has argued that the nicks are better than the pacers and over seven game series but you guys make fun of me all the time about what what i've been saying about hedge funds your math friends agree right i mean well i want to ask ameen this question based on sort of how gambling works okay and i want to ask Amin this question based on sort of how gambling works. I want to ask all of you this question. So how are the casinos sort of built? What is the math being used that builds the casinos so that the casinos, so that unless

you're Trump, it's very hard to go bankrupt because all the math favors the probability of the casinos endlessly printing money. You guys understand how those are built, right? The games have whatever it is, a 54 or 55% built in advantage, right? The question I want to ask Amin is, if Kat and Brunson on the court at the same time is a defensive liability,

if Brunson is the worst player in the playoffs on defense, and what I end up doing is play the math probabilities of how it is all of these games have been sharpened so you will attack the maximum inefficiency in a way that skews the probabilities in your favor the paces being to able to attack brunson on defense over seven game series were carlisle can figure out how to again and again get offense that makes haliburton a mean

in a playoff game control the entire game with zero turnovers. Zero turnovers because the Knicks defense is not going to bother you. The Pacers are going to play how they want. They're going to score up 130. It's not even going to feel like a playoff game and they're going to feel like they finish the Knicks right there. Is that one math probability what's being exploited in this series that changes the series or is it just about in game one that's kinda lucky but it's i don't know if that's math it's it's basketball right where you are saying hey there defense

drops precipitously after every additional rotation have to make so the first guy guarding the ball, McHale Bridges or Ojan Inouye or Deuce McBride, he's really good, right? But then we bring some screen action or whatever it is, and now they've got to make a decision. Either Kat is going to sag

and the guy's gonna have to fight over, or Kat's gonna have to come up and double, or they're gonna switch. Either way, at that point, that triggers rotation. and so if we keep moving the ball quick, quick, right, not holding it but quick there's another rotation that has to happen. The Knicks aren't good at that. They're good at that first one but then the second one and then the third one it all falls apart. When I'm talking about the Pacers are really good at the front end of we're gonna be great at all of this.

We're number one in pace. This is how we beat you. Right. of we're going to be great at all of this were number one in pace this is how we beat you right and we're going to you've got great perimeter defense one or two passes in but now we're going to get maximum efficient shots i'd feel like it's just sort of a shredder on attack brunson and the that that the analysis i did not have from anyone before the series is brunson's the liability in this series he's the liability because the a player that size can't win, at least in part because, and certainly now more than ever, he can't guard.

The bigger guys aren't scared of him. And so he becomes just an unbelievable weakness, even if he somehow gets to 30, you know, some kind of efficiently. With all that said, they're a lucky shot away from having this series tied at two games a piece headed back to the Mecca. I mean, it's a weird way to watch sports. Who wants to watch sports and think about probabilities? Well, how did

you feel last night? I mean, I felt I felt bad. The Knicks lost. It's three one, but we're headed back to Madison Square Garden. The Knicks had to win after going down to 0. They had to win a road game to get it back to the Mecca and you, you know, going into last night, I said to myself, you have to win game four or you have to win game six because the best case scenario for the Knicks at this point is to get a game seven on their home court. Can they still do that? Yes. So I will ask you and the group because Stugatz will not give you the tears until he has to. He's not going to get...

I'm proud of this team. I like this team. We're in the Eastern Conference Finals. We got a shot at making the NBA Finals. It's not a great shot, but we still have a shot. I'll take it. I still believe... Billy, do you think I have this wrong? I still believe that Stu Gott's giving us perspective in his 50s is very adult, but I'm not buying it. I don't believe it. I believe he's in hiding. He's a loud New Yorker and he does not want anyone to see his pain until he absolutely has to give it to them.

I don't know that he has pain available to give with this team. I'm not sure how invested he actually is in the Knicks. So it's being masked as perspective when it's really, I can't find the pain to give. I'm not gonna fire Tom Thibodeau today. I'm not gonna do it. I'm waiting for the series is over.

I mean, people are already firing that guy. Get out of here. We have two Mecca references by him already today. So he's still feeling it. He's still in it. No, I wanna address this though, cause Billy just made the accusation that I made last week that Stugats denied,

which is I don't believe he actually cares enough here to hurt. I don't like you in order in order to understand what New York is presently feeling. And I do want to flip the other side of this for a second, because my God, it must feel better right now to be Indiana basketball than almost ever in the history of Indiana basketball. It's not just Dugats. OK, hold on a second. You counting the Hoosiers or I'm counting everything in the history of Indiana basketball. It's not just to God's. Okay, hold on a second. Are you counting the Hoosiers?

I'm counting everything in the history. I'm counting, I'm saying that this Pacers team for this reason, okay, for this particular reason in 2025, to have a Triple H or 50 Cent or whatever celebrity counter there is to Spike Lee so you can no longer be aw shucks small town Indiana against all the big things New York is to be a series underdog you guys can laugh and all this laughing because those are all Nick fans that were imported in that doesn't count right like oh wow they have to be

chalamet and and Ben still yeah they did they came to watch the next 50 cent be a Pacers he's not he's a Nick I'm just saying the celebrities came to you the party came to you. Indiana does not often get to feel like it's one of the big cities in sports or anywhere. Whatever you think are the best Pacer teams, they're bringing back royalty when they bring back Jermaine O'Neal, when they bring back Jermaine O'Neal.

That's some lame royalty, man. They brought back Lance Stevenson and George Hill. Wolf. George Hill? That's what they're countering the Knicks with. And what I'm saying is the reason it feels good They brought back Lance Stevenson and George Hill. Wolf. George Hill? That's what they're countering the Knicks with. And what I'm saying is the reason it feels good is because, oh, we took out all these big bad people.

We're tiny little Indiana and we get to win and now Stugatsi is going to do the thing. He'll pivot as soon as they lose too and nobody wants to watch Indiana OKC. I mean, no one does. Who wants to watch that? It's boring. Mike Epps hates Pat McAfee, right one does. Who wants to watch that? It's boring. Mike Epps hates Pat McAfee, right? He has. Stole his perch.

Mike Epps figured it out. He's like, I'm just going to be the Pacers guy, and I'll have core side tickets forever and ever as the Pacers guy. And if they ever get to this point, I was there the entire time, I'll still be there. So he's been rooting for the Pacers, and he's committed to this life in Indiana

just to get the perks of being a Pacers fan because Mike Epps and you know the 2020s is not Mike Epps of the odds You know what I mean? So you stumbled onto another wild Billy Winston He's a patty come lately I'm just asking, and Mike Epps has been there, right? And now all of a sudden, Pat comes by. Does Mike Epps, put it on the poll, Juju at Leviton Show, does Mike Epps hate Pat McAfee? Because Pat McAfee has taken over.

Pat McAfee is wearing a shirt overrate that in honor of Halliburton is becoming a star. You guys say, you guys laughed at me, best Pacers team ever, I know that can be an overreaction. I'm just saying the way this team feels to that community right now feels as good as basketball can feel to that community. Dan, I interviewed the radio play-by-play voice

for the Pacers and I asked him the exact question, how does this compare? And he says, it depends on what happens from here. Obviously those. Look at me what a flex that was a big one you know what I hear I hear look at me bona fides because what you're saying is not echoed

by the people from Indiana those Reggie Miller teams were still that's the gold standard because those are the first ones the Indiana Pacers had made the playoffs I want to say twice in their NBA history until Reggie Miller and Dale Davis and those guys, and then they started winning and going to conference finals and that big shot they hit against Jordan in 98 to force a game seven and obviously going to the finals in 2000. That's the gold standard for Indiana basketball. That's the thing that put them on the map as far as, hey, we matter too. This right here is echoing that. It's bringing it back.

And of course they're happy. This feels great. And you're right, they knocked off Giants and all that. But no, it's not the happiest they've ever been. So those Reggie Miller teams were the first teams to not win a championship. That's the team that holds Indiana's heart right now. Like move on.

Pacer fans, move on. Halliburton's better than Reggie Miller. He's better, is he not? Halliburton's the best Pacer in the history of Indiana basketball. How about that? Well, Larry Bird coached them. Does that not, that doesn't count?

Doesn't count. In a different category. Regardless, I just like to, I think there's a conversation to be had here about me speaking on behalf of Indiana when Indiana would not want me speaking on behalf of indiana when indiana would not want me speaking on that and indiana but that part of america

treasures basketball in a way that's a bit disproportionate to the way the rest of the country treasures basketball that part of the country has had very little winning in basketball when i mean mentions the team that he does reggie miller is a hero in that hero in that market because he he led a villainous indiana squad to pretty close to the top the sport and who's sorry michael jordan's really good yeah and so a whole generation of

parents and grandparents see the best pacer team it's a little bit hated it's rugged and rough it's got personality that your grandpa's team that you dad's team and amin speaks for them as the uh... what we call to the elder uh... on on his back he's not he's not wrong but this team has not yet lost this team has been best in the league good the the last you know sixty games and this team has done something else to

gods that i think is worth celebrating if you put down your biases of, no, I just wanted the Knicks in the finals, that's the interesting final big market. But can an argument be made, and you guys will say no, but can an argument be made that you look fondly more over being a really roadblock, a thorn in the side of Michael Jordan, and that's more of like a feather in your cap than beating Jalen Brunson.

Fair enough, but this is the time that we're living in, and nostalgia, I guess, is gonna win all the arguments on this, is why Stu Gatz can say Michael Jordan is the best ever, because there were six Reggie Millers of that era, and Reggie was about the sixth best of them. And that's as high as Indiana climbed when the legacy was being written, when the history was being written, when the history

was being written. But this dude and his dad are not afraid of what this moment is and when I say they're dragging into this America divided as it is, however oppressed the white person feels in Indiana about things. To knock off New York when New York is throwing trash at your fans and to have McAfee rise up as a voice on behalf of your region because nobody wants your region in the finals. Oh that's some bleep you that they get to fight with America on that feels really the top of sports. It's the best stuff. Oh you don't

like our guy and he beats the respect out of you with zero turnovers in a game you need. Your celebrities come in and Halliburton controls the entire game because we've maximized the inefficiency. You cannot guard us. You will not be able to guard us for the next three games. Our pace will beat you. We have the casino's advantage the rest of the way. Can we hit Dan with the straw man argument, please?

All right, hold on a second. Let me find it for a second. Because you think there's a straw man here? I don't think anyone but Tyrese Haliburton think it's Tyrese Haliburton against America right now. You don't think Indiana will conjure that storyline for itself? No.

Just basketball, man. Like, the thing about what you're saying is, first of all, when you say, oh, do you think Tyrese Haliburton's overrated? That was based on a player poll, not a nation poll. I don't think the nation thinks Tyrese Halburne is overrated. That was a player poll.

And as the great Rachel Nichols did the math, it came out to about seven players. Seven players, because out of the sample size wasn't all 450, it was like 50 or something like that. And so when they did the math, it was like seven guys voted, Tyrese Halliburton is the most overrated. So to say, oh, it's the most straw man

of straw man arguments, nobody hates Tyrese Halliburton. Maybe Nick fans do because they're on the losing end, but that's not a sentiment that's shared by the basketball public. The only thing that's real is what Sugata's saying is that there's a genuine fear that we're gonna have a Pacers Thunder NBA Finals. And that sounds boring. It's not going to be boring if you actually watch the games.

But it sounds boring because Indiana is a boring place and Oklahoma, God knows, is a boring place. Strawman! I miss that sound. I was very adamant yesterday about TJ McConnell, about the Pacers, about how they play college style. They pick you up 94 feet. They slap the floor on defense. But after much thought, I'm actually back. I'm back. If Indiana and OKC make it to the finals, you've got a great offense versus a great defense. I think I'm back. I want to understand if you guys think what Amin is saying is true because I would say that I'm not conjuring narrative or storyline. When

I say Halliburton, even if it's by virtue of just his dad, that's the most villainous thing you've got remaining. Like if Indiana wants to wrap itself in the cape of nobody wants us, nobody wants to see us, nobody likes our team and we've got a guy that in the cape of nobody wants us, nobody wants to see us, nobody likes our team, and we've got a guy that in the final seconds will do the choke sign because he's not afraid of any of it. Like they will, like maybe that's get swept by OKC, maybe it loses in five games, but right now I believe in it as much as I believe in any Indiana team that I've ever watched play basketball if I live in Indiana and care about the Pacers. And you've watched them all. I mean, you're a Pacer fan.

I'll tell you right now, the biggest villains in the playoffs right now are the Oklahoma City Thunder. Everyone hates that team and it staggers me. They hate them because Shegel just Alexander gets to the preto line. They hate them because they foul up three. They hate them because, you know why they hate them, Stu Gotts?

Why? They hate them because all the year long, well, they're not gonna win because of this, that, and the other, and now they're steamrolling and it's like, holy crap, they're actually gonna win this. None of those concerns you had mattered. It doesn't matter, they're just that good. I was thinking about Halliburton and SGA.

They are superstars, but here's the problem. They're superstars who don't dunk. That's why this series is gonna be, but they don't dunk, they have no dunk game, they have no drive game, they don't, you game. They don't give you the splashy plays. Halliburton has a push shot. It looks like every time he's taking a jumper, it's the first time he's taking a jumper.

I mean. Stu, tell me you don't watch it without telling me you don't watch. Halliburton shook Giannis and then finished it with a slam. Guys, guys, Stu Gatz, just if I may, on what you just saw last night, you guys don't want the math, how about the simplicity of this? Controlling the game on a finger with a number two that could go for a quiet 30 because Siakam has been historically, we could say he's a very good number two and

uniquely equipped to do some of the things in the modern game two way that Brunson cannot. Siakam, I don't know if you'd say he's underrated maybe gets exposed in the next series but he can go for thirty at any time and you wouldn't have been left out of the room before this series you'd asked out loud hey who's the better players siakam haliburton it would have been much of an argument but some people have been watching indiana basketball would say look siakam's really good number two and siakam does the secondary thing last night but the game was controlled on the finger

of somebody the triple double with no turnovers is asinine you're not playing any defense or the mastery of offense is such that if you're a traditional point guard and you can do that against playoff mix basketball that is something that is very close to a perfect game even if you only make half of your shots he's the first player in nba history to have thirty plus points fifteen plus assist ten plus rebounds five plus threes and zero turnovers there any day there is that regular season or both is mathematically

described as pretty close to unstoppable when a playoff team goes one thirty in the way they beat you is because this this this party's boring yes ok see when because they cause more turnovers than anyone turn the ball over less than anyone and they got top five offense top five defense that's the obvious way they went but this

this is a different thing and among all the things that exist as a spaceship, this with pace might be able to say, now I don't think it can because I think Halliburton will look far different against the OKC defense because the OKC defense will strangle Anthony Edwards and your dunkers and your kitchen everybody, it's not gonna be fun. The end of the NBA season, I think,

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Felt forced. It did. It did it did feel... Thank you. Oh I like that. I don't know if there's words here. So doing the choke thing I feel like was slightly you know slightly forced. Yesterday he hits a three over Brunson and then he does Brunson's celebration right? Earlier he does kind of like the big, like the marbles situation, like the big balls. I feel like he needs his own. He did a dame time also.

Yeah, like here's the thing. Imagine if you're like an up and coming superhero, right? Or like even your, I don't know, an established superhero that we don't know much about. Like, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, because you're qualified for this as both a hooper and a nerd. So like the Green Lantern, like when he does something,

imagine him putting up the bat signal. Like that's not exactly how this goes. Like you need your own thing. Would Kobe Bryant do this? Not to bring up Kobe, but would Kobe, would Kobe, no. You mean Kobe? Oh, I think I saw Michael do this. No, you can bring up Kobe, it's fine.

I'm just saying that Kobe. Wolves don't concern themselves with the thoughts of sheep. And here's the problem. What about the thoughts of thunder? He's too worried about kind of having these moments and doing other people's celebrations in their face. You gotta have your own thing. Yes, also though, as Dan likes to remind us,

nostalgia plays, nostalgia plays. And he's like the ultimate. Yes, also though, as Dan likes to remind us, nostalgia plays. Nostalgia plays, and he's like the ultimate, like, you know, you see the kids wearing cross colors and go with the flat top, and like, wait a second. Cross colors? Yeah, you don't see these kids walking around, they're like 19, but they're dressed like it's 1991. And you're like, what the hell?

But it's like, hey, they discovered this old thing and they wanna bring it back. And I kind of feel like Tyrese Halliburton is kind of like that. He's this guy that's watching old 90s basketball and says, you know what? Everyone loves the 90s, right? Everyone talks about basketball today.

Not as good as it was in the 90s. So what do you do? You just pretend and cosplay like it's the 90s. So you do the big balls dance, you do the choke sign, and now everyone has this 90s nostalgia attached to it. And to the point where you got Dan LeBretard'd say this is the greatest Indiana Pacers team ever why because the nostalgia is cloaked around it maybe his thing is doing your thing when he beats you that could be his thing his game time he's got the big

balls dance he's got the I don't I don't see what I mean seeing I am embracing the merging of this is exactly how villains and superstars are born and you guys can call him a mimic or a copycat if you wish but I thought Tatum got some of this when he was celebrating because he was celebrating like Kevin Garnett celebrated when he won in Boston and it was like watching someone try to learn how they're supposed to behave as they enter stardom and in some ways I don't want to infantilize young twenties people but as they find their voices adults in whatever it is they're going to be as a professional they have to figure out how to express joy in front of others and in the case of Halliburton he's doing

some copycatting in the most arrogant and wonderful and confident ways. Like, okay. How about hit a game winner and then do the choke thing? Don't do it to tie the game. He did though, he did. And also, look. He extended the game. Lucky shot.

Like, look, that was the worst. Lucky shot. Maybe his thing is being corny because he's from Indiana, but like, get your own thing. He's from Milwaukee, actually. Man. Nothing but net. Blaze your own path, that's what Billy is saying.

There you go. And it's fair enough. It's hard to argue when he says, actually. Man, nothing but net. Blaze your own path. That's what Billy is saying. There you go. And it's fair enough. It's hard to argue when he says, bah. But I would just say, I mean, in the last four games, I think I can say something I didn't think I was going to be saying, because he says, make a shot. I was wrong. Halliburton is, whatever he is, 10 for 12 this season,

or 12 for 14 on shots to tie or lead with less than two minutes in the game. So he's clutchier than Brunson who empirically before this was the clutchiest. I don't have that wrong, right? So when he says make a game winning shot, I can counter with he makes more efficiently than anyone in the sport.

Put that on the poll, who's clutchier, Brunson or Halliburton? Correct, do I have it wrong? Look, he's made these shots and it's pretty remarkable. I think Brunson has not been good this series, we could say that, but you know, Brunson would point to 80 some games of him doing it, and that's what gave him the award, but yeah.

But it was like 10 of 12, like 12 is not a big sample size at all. Game winning or game leading shots? That 12 shots. I'm blown away by that stat. That was interesting to see that particular thing sweep across the room where Billy was just back. And I'm looking at Chris.

I'm like, well, he's not reacting. 90% by the way. But that's how Wild Willy Wednesdays work. And you've got to just understand that. Billy, it's 10 out of 12 in the most clutchest in the clutchiest moments of the game. Right. I mean Billy saying put yourself in that position more often.

Yeah. They're blowing teams out which is why they weren't in that situation because they were like 40 and 14 in the last few games. Game seven of the finals that's clutch. Regular season. I mean no one's even playing. No one cares. So he's correct.

He says game seven of the finals is clutch. I will just remind you that Stugat said that if Draymond Green didn't have Steph Curry, he would be a Shanghai Shark and Draymond Green once had 32 in a game seven of the finals. So it doesn't really buy you what you're saying. It buys you there because doing in a game seven and also win the game you have to do that as well. Right, one clutch moment for Draymond. I mean, he was there because of Steph. He wouldn't have that clutch moment if not for Steph Curry. Blind squirrel finds a nut.

And so, okay, we are, I would say wildly disrespectful. But the wild disrespect around here of someone who is great at what he does like Draymond Green, I think pales compared to Billy's wild disrespect of the award-winning Pablo Torre finds out. What? And yes Billy right now he... Award nominated to be fair. Thank you. Well he's won awards. Good clarification. You submit yourself for $3,000 a year you're bound to win one or two. Win the big one. What is the big one?

Whatever the big one is. It should be called the big one. I know, thank you, but I'm asking you to tell me what is the big award. I think he'd argue on behalf of the Peabody that that would be the big one, I think. He's nominated, but once they start seeing the smut that he's trafficking in right now with Bill Belichick, I guarantee you, there's no way to lose yourself a Peabody more than to be suing North Carolina over trying to find Bill Belichick emails.

Billy, are you saying that they're not gonna give the Pulitzer to the National Enquirer? You said that, not me. Well, no, what you did say, though, is you officially said Pablo Torre has gone well past creepy I know I said we're entering creepy I know publicly I was prepared to say we're entering creepy Tori well no publicly no no no not the same privately no no for the record publicly I was prepared to say we're entering creepy territory privately privately That's not what I said at all

I said we're well past it. I mean, it's weird It seems like we're trying to search for a sex tape at this point or something He gets going and he's renting out airbnbs and he's cosplaying as Belichick laying in his bed Like what is the end game here is fence? I? I will just tell you that I was I I don't know if I don't want to spoiler alert on a Wednesday But the last of us if you were not caught up I'm not okay. Just spoiler alert Wednesday. Sorry I got a baby so it's extended to next week there. There is a sign how that works

There is a scene where a very important character dies in a way. That's a bit surprising and physically What happened Tony? I I there's only like three important it's a spoiler I'm gonna be looking at all the main characters like I mean I mean so all it is imagine someone standing in front of you and you shoot them in this oh man only so many people would shoot someone that now Tony's like oh there's a gun in the scene, I've got it. There's a lot of guns in all the scenes. All right, look, look, forgive me,

I still don't know how spoiler alert Wednesday works. I just would like for any of you to imagine what it would look like if somebody was shot in the shins by something very powerful and then just fell on their face dead. That is how I came in today when I had plans for today and Billy undercut me at the shins with saying Belichick is well past,

or that Pablo is well past creepy and that I've gotta rein him in. I didn't say that publicly. Everybody involved, that everyone involved in this is well past creepy, Pablo worst of all. I feel like it's what you were giving me. Well, it sounds like you're projecting now. It sounds like maybe you agree with me,

so now we're kind of like just assigning those thoughts to me in Avatar. I think what I love about the award winning Pablo Torey is that it's got unbelievable range. It has really, unlike any other podcast in the space, it's got wild, wild range. Have you ever heard Pablo's mission statement for the show? It's to do smart things dumbly

and to do dumb things smartly. That's basically what he's like. I'm with you, G. Isn't that what this show is? That's what this show is. I think we do dumb things pretty dumbly. Well, we do them smartly sometimes. Okay, look, I don't want to do this.

He's the award nominated, Peabody nominated Pablo Torre, I think we do dumb things pretty dumbly. I don't know. We do them smartly sometimes. Look, I don't want to do this He's the award nominated Peabody nominated Pablo Torre and he's also creepy But what I was saying to you is that Billy's that was Billy's second like worst take or Worst the second cruelest take or the second private conversation. Okay, but the private conversation charge of this company I have to you know, we have these conversations to me say problem you stop you know trying to dabble in the sex life of a 71 year old on a 24 year old a little bit here you know I'm gonna look for I want to win a peabody here maybe let's stop you know with the whole boat right there what he talks

like that it's private yeah that's right I thought you knew I have to come up with a new private I thought you were doing Belichick there now it's private. Yeah, that's private. I thought you knew. I'm gonna have to come up with a new private one. I thought you were doing Belichick there. No. He's a private guy, so that makes sense. He puts that. The Peabody is highfalutin. I think that is the big one. I don't know what, what do you guys imagine

is the big award that everybody would wanna win in? I like the sports podcast awards. Yeah. Those are my favorites. Yeah. Actually I like what Billy said earlier is that we should start an award, call it the big one. Yeah. How can you argue that that's the big one? If that's what it's called. This is what I'm going to argue. This is what I'm going to argue. Okay. I'm telling all of you guys that within an hour, I'm going to award the big one. Oh, really?

Wow. You have that power? I'm gonna personally, I wanna get it. Congrats to Pablo. And Samson. I'm not even sure that they're going to win. Hockey show. This is his first nomination.

This is the hockey show's first nomination. I will tell you that I would be willing to give the big one right now. If none of you are watching this, you're missing what Yeti and Chris, I said this yesterday, are doing for an old man to produce him in a way that creates a funny chemistry with not very much in the way of post-production costs on the editing. So the show looks exactly as you would imagine it if a 70 year old grandpa was doing it from a closet with Chris Cody, who I'm guessing is wearing sunglasses because he's big.

I'm not sure, but I'm pretty sure. I'm just going for a thing. On that show I wear sunglasses. It's like a new character I'm working on. Stop it. And so, in the most- The character is just you wear sunglasses. Cannabis Chris.

I did a couple weeks with no hat and sunglasses So like no hat sunglasses on my dad's show hat no sunglasses here two different people Okay, you without a hat is one thing this takes me back to the Billy take I was telling you about that I think is worse than the take that Pablo is creepy I was business private Republic because which you He's basically being disrespectful to 20 years of tennis by yelling that Nadal needs to wear a hat. Otherwise he's like, that Nadal needs to wear a hat to cover up that he's aged in a way that Billy's not comfortable.

I don't think it's a hat, I think it's a headband. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, Billy, but I think it's a headband. He did tell us this in private, Dan, but anyway. And that's not how the conversation started, it ended up there, but what I was saying was the four of them seemed to get together every other week. But we're making these reunions, this big thing.

Oh, guess who's here, Rafa? And it's like your friends that probably flew on the same plane as you, because you guys are constantly together doing things. And I was like, enough's enough. Why are the four of them continuing to reun? I thought he retired like two years ago. I'm with you, I don't know who's active, I don't know who's not.

I'm assuming Andy Murray's not, but Andy Murray is not slow behind on who's not aging the best in that situation. Based on aging alone. Wait, rank them for me. Based on aging alone. This is the, come on, let's not do this. No, let's do it, let's not do it. You started this. We're here.

You started this, friend. I started it. Yeah, you started it. I started it. started this, friend. I started it. Yeah, you started it. I started it. Private conversation. Yeah. I started it. All right, do we wanna go in reverse order,

or are we ending on number one? Reverse order, we're ending on number one. Yes. Build that anticipation. Who's aging the worst of this foursome, is what you're asking me. Yeah. I hate doing this.

Any O.L.Is? I hate, no, there's only four. So if you come in fourth, you're aging the best, right? Yes. No, you're aging the worst. Oh, see, I would think one would be aging the one is the guy who one is Least as you're asking me is one. Well, honey, you said it. I was aging the best is for why are we doing? All right number four

Rafael Nadal Wow Based on looks yeah, he looks good. He looks great If I were to see the four of them, I would say that man is the best of this bunch. Especially if you don't have a bird's eye view. That's the thing. Because Andy Murray's starting to kind of, you know, and I don't want to infringe on Mike's territory here, but his hair is going.

We're going to do a sports gossip show that objectifies the decaying appearances. Is that objectification if it's the opposite of good? We are not in any position. I'm not objectifying them. I'm not saying I want to F them. I'm just saying, you know, this is, you know, who is not aging.

He's being objective, not objectifying. Thank you. He gets it. Can you be objective without objectifying? Yes. That's what you're doing right now. I don't think that this show is qualified to tell. Number four, The Joker. Oh yeah. Wow. I thought number four was the doll. Oh, sorry. Number three, The Joker. Oh yeah. Wow. I thought number four was Nadal. Oh sorry, number three, the Joker.

There's only four. I thought there was five of them, I forgot. He doesn't look like he's eight, like what part of him looks like he's eight? That's what I'm saying, that's why he looks good. Didn't this whole thing start with you saying Nadal aging the worst? I don't think you're playing this game.

I don't think I'm playing this game. No, well no, then you told me that number four had to be the one that was the best looking at this point in time. Yes. Yeah. I thought this whole thing started with Nadal's aging poorly. Yeah, correct. But you just put him fourth, which means he's aging the best-looking at this point in time. Yes. Yeah I thought this whole thing started with the dolls aging poorly. Yeah, correct. You just put him forth with me She's a no I put the Joker Wow

This is I'm gonna leave better for the Joker's three better If you're gonna leave like that leave if you're gonna leave like that, you don't get to leave and then stay around You need to know that's not how you do that. He did the thing dance He did the thing dance It's his only move it's it's pathetic he's got the walking on the stairs That show is very well produced I can't believe I'm saying it no. You know what we can also do? We can also do, cut to me guys, a canoe. Oh, I like that. But it doesn't sink, like I can still see it. Whose ukulele is that?

Because it's Jeremy's right after me. Leave, take the ukulele with you. Number two. Billy, please. Andy Murray, number two. Please stop doing this. Please. I won't tell you one.

We won't finish the list, it's fine. No, no, I need number one. No, I'll listen to you one we won't finish the problem I have with everything that we're doing right now is I really have a problem with this these these four men have been a symbol for youth. Actually, I told you the story, you stupes. Not anymore. Just better. This is the problem. You guys are mocking the aging descent of legends disrespectfully.

Correct, yeah. And you're doing so based on their appearance because they're aging better than any of us. Well, they're still good athletically. All I have is to judge their appearance. Where monkey tennis, like tennis, just like Pacer fans, needs to move on. Tennis needs to move on, needs to move away

from these four and on to the next four. I'm awarding the big one. Gather round, people. I'm gonna award the big one.