The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Local Hour: Flag Planting Leads To Death

Episode Date: December 3, 2024

Today's cast: Dan, Stugotz, Greg Cote, Chris, Billy, Lucy, and Mike. Even after a high scoring Monday Night Football game last night, the crew begins in the only logical place: flag planting. Greg has his own takes after yesterday's discussion, and Mike wants to get back into it now that he has Bomani Jones on his side. Is planting a flag the ultimate sign of disrespect? Is Dan trying to be the dice man? Does it fall on the coaches? Is flag planting about the line of disrespect, adulthood, or both? Then, we check in with Rose during her "hospital" stay to learn the damage that's been done to her eyes from the pepper spray at the Michigan-Ohio State game. Plus, after admitting the Miami Hurricanes don't deserve to make the CFP on yesterday's show, Mike Ryan has totally reversed course and is claiming the media elite's love of the SEC is the only reason his Canes, who lost 2 of their final 3 games to Georgia Tech and Syracuse, won't make the Playoff. Miami wants 'Bama, and he says they'd beat 'em. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You're listening to Giraffe King's Network. Greg Cody just said to me, and I don't know what it's about. We'll get to it in a second. I'm so sick of what he did last night. So I'm curious where that's going to end up. I want to delve into a interaction that I had with Lucy whose stardom is going to her head. I came in today and I'm like, Lucy,

I've got a compliment and two bits of constructive criticism. And her response to me was, I'll take only the compliment. That's how you do it. And Billy, I can't believe what I just heard and it's where I need to start. That felt like heartfelt gratitude from Stu Gotts as close as he can come to sincerity when he just said to you right before we started, thank you for your betting advice last night.

Oh, the BBBs. He was thanking you because you gave him some bets and he went 3-0 last night and he's just taking your Billy's Big Board bets from the award-winning God Bless Football, which is making the next stop in its American tour in Miami, the first stop that is in Miami of any kind, but the next stop in God Bless Football's American tour is Sunday for Jets Dolphins, where we will be gathering to enjoy football together. It's a big game.

As a show. Yep, a big one. What was the gratitude that he was showing you? Did you have the overs last night? Did you have a lot of betting overs last night? Is that what happened on the football game? Well, I'm surprised honestly that he thanked me. Also, I was surprised to get a text from him

that said what are the picks today? And I was like, this is not how this normally goes. All you have to do is listen to your own show, Stu. Well, no, I mean, yes, that too, obviously. I told him earlier in the day. But normally, he doesn't ask me, like, what should we do? And I had been going back and forth, and I had given him reasons yesterday

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Chuck Lorre Show. Perfect fit, yeah. And Nick Buckeye. Oh, that's right, Nick Buckeye. And Sebastian Maniscalco. I wonder what he's up to. He's joining us today. He's gonna be on with us.

But you mentioned Nick Buckeye. Can I classify him as a great television writer because I feel like I can. He's a great comedy writer and I think he's a great television writer. He was the talking cat in Sabrina the Teenage Witch. Well that's it. Now I know. Wasn't he like a weekly guest in the early days of the show? He was, yes. In our show? Yeah, he was on weekly Nick Buckeye was a weekly But how and why would Nick Buckeye be a weekly guest on our show I could show up weekly Yeah, that feels like the time like in the show where it's like we we just gotta grasp at ESPN any way that we can.

Nick Bacay weekly, yes. I still don't agree with that. He promoted the char-hut, I think. That's something that we did. Put it on the poll. Was Nick Bacay ever a regular guest on the Levitard show? And when it comes back, overwhelmingly yes. Dan's still not gonna believe that Nick Bacay's not.

It's not gonna come back. It's not gonna come back. If Dan doesn't remember it, our listeners, the vast majority of our listeners joined us well after this. I know, but they know, Mike, I'm telling you, it's gonna come back a resounding yes. I mean, Nick Buckeye was a staple on the show for a long time. Billy, you're on the YouTube comments.

Do we have any support for Nick Buckeye was a weekly guest on this show? Let me check it up a minute. He most certainly was a talking cat. If you guys had told me before we started today, Dan, you have to be right with your answer or there are dire consequences. So take this question seriously. Has Nick Bacay ever been on your show?

My answer would have been no. Really? Wow. How can you be so wrong? It's not gonna come up in the computer because it predates the same thing. It predates people speaking words. There is no recorded history of this as Nick Mckeinney got him as a weekly. And there's just no way that happened. Maybe I'd be willing to grant you that he was on a time or two,

but a weekly guest, my ass. That is not something that happened around here. I would say that Nick Bacay is in the top 10 guests that we've had on. Ridiculous. I'm telling you. I'm loving my ally right now. It's Kirchen, it's Mortensen, and it's Nick Bacay.

I mean. He was our first ever celebrity prognosticator before we even gave it a name. Yeah. He was the original Mike Schur? Hmm. Kind of, yeah. He was also our betting expert though,

because he does gamble a lot. Like if he was on with us at all, it would have been as our betting expert. Seeds of it coming back to you, you know? Well, it's not coming back to me. If he was on with us at all, it would have been as our betting expert. Seeds have been coming back to you, you know? It's not coming back to me. If he was on with us at all, he was giving picks. That would have been, well, because the reason I was denying that he was ever on with us is because I'm like,

I wouldn't have a comedy writer on just because I don't know all of his work and I'm not necessarily a fan of being able to speak to you what he's done that is the best thing he's done. I just know he's a very good writer and he used to write a gambling column for ESPN. So now that you mention that we may have gone to him for gambling expertise on an occasion but not weekly. May have occasion. The gambling thing didn't make sense until I went and I saw he wrote Paul Blart Mall Cop 2. That was a gamble.

This is the Don LeBattor Show with the StuGuts Podcast. Today's episode is sponsored by DraftKings. Stay tuned because you'll hear more about DraftKings and all it has to offer throughout the show. DraftKings, the crown is yours. I don't believe that we had a funnier moment on yesterday's show than all the time that Lucy spent with braying laughter in the face of a pepper sprayed colleague, friend, and employee of metal Art, Rose, who has now risen to national attention

because she got pepper sprayed during the Michigan-Ohio State game. Guys, go ahead and just put in the corner of the screen what is in the preview right now of Jamis Winston before the game being introduced. I just wanna talk about Jamis Winston in a second because that whole experience last night is the james experience everyone in the world knows you can't go full james don't go full

james that's what happens when you go full james it's going to be four touchdowns three interceptions it's going to be he throws for five thousand yards it's thirty touchdowns thirty interceptions you go seven nine seven and that it's going to be fun though it's going to be he throws for five thousand yards it's thirty touchdowns thirty interceptions you go seven and nine seven and ten it's going to be fun though it's going to be entertaining that's for sure it is but you're going to lose it is amazing to see that offense look that way when you just say screw it just when you just say look it's not going to be Deshaun Watson checking down four-yard passes holding the ball too long anymore it's just Jamis is going to drop back and he's not gonna be afraid of anything. We'll get to that in just a second though. But

I have in our database some sound I am told that is Rose making the the honking sound that she made when she was pepper sprayed yesterday. I'm, I am, I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm.

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I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. there because uh, Balmonte Jones, Mike Ryan now has an ally in Balmonte Jones. He wants more rules, uh, wants to forbid flag planting, uh, throughout sports. And Mike Ryan is very pleased to have an ally here cause he was feeling a little bit alone on everybody on the internet, just shouting him down yesterday saying if you don't want them to plant the flag on your field, don't let them win on your field or get turf. I'm so happy that I had Boman there because he's so much smarter than I am.

And he has this brilliant way of putting it in real life terms. Like they lose a game. What is happening after afterwards is not part of the game. Yes. You have to be a good loser during the game. You also have to be a good loser during the game. You also have to be a good winner after the game. And very clearly as 22 FBS teams got involved in altercations because of stuff like this, the players don't respond well to it. It will start fights. Remove the thing that starts the fights.

Here's Balmany. Everywhere where there was a flag planting, there was a tussle, everywhere. And I'm here to say they gotta outlaw flag plant. Unless fighting is allowed, you have to outlaw anything that is guaranteed to start a fight. And if you try to plant the flag, we gotta fight.

We all agree with that, right? If you are on the other team and you watch somebody plant the flag, are you not obligated to fight? But you don't want them to fight. And since you don't want them to fight, you got a band to practice. Now, I have seen people make the argument

that if you don't want them to plant the flag, then you should have won the game. That feels like a slippery slope. Do I have to let you holler at my girl too? I mean, you're the big bad winner. You get to do whatever you want after this. There's no level of disrespect that I do not get to enforce against just because I didn't win the game. Do you get to spit in my face too? No, I didn't have the whole game to fight. We was playing a mother f**king game. We weren't allowed to fight during the game. What are you talking about? They are not fighting because they lost the game.

They are fighting because you try to play in their faces. Every single person that has ever gone to plant a flag like that, every single one of them would be down to fight if somebody planted the flag. And not only would they be down to fight if somebody planted the flag. And not only would they be down to fight if somebody planted the flag, the whole reason that they want to do it is because it is the height of disrespect. And what have I told you many times about disrespect?

Disrespect will not be tolerated. Everywhere... It's so obvious what he's saying in my mind you did there's no greater display of unsportsmanlike behavior to me in right now than planning that like you've just beaten a team on their own home turf

and you're going to do that you you know you don't see that another sports right when one nb eighteen beats another in a in a heated game you don't see that in other sports, right? When one NBA team beats another in a heated game, you don't see the winning players doing that. It's ridiculous. Well, that's because you can't get it into the core. It'll just bounce right back. I didn't mean flag planning exactly,

but that equal of disrespect you don't see in other sports. Mike, you have a second ally. I mean, how about that? I'll go into battle waving our flag. Greg Cody and Bomani Jones. It stands to reason guys I understand beat them in the game so you don't have to deal with that. Everybody knows the intention when someone tries to do that. It is a disrespectful act. You're trying to get one over on somebody else. These are prideful people and to allow that, you're gonna have your fan saying, don't allow that.

You're gonna have your entire locker room, the camaraderie of the locker room say, you can't allow that to happen. So just take it away. It's a dumb practice. It's a fairly recent thing. Yeah, you can pick historical outliers of this happened in 1972 or whatever.

This is a recent trend and it needs to be nipped. So what do they do? They put a rule you're not allowed to do it because like I hate to tell you there's a rule that you're not allowed to storm the field and no one abides by that. Well, that's another thing that should probably be gone too because it's percolating and it's probably going to end up badly. Greg, forgive me because one of the things that happens on Tuesday is you sometimes cover ground that we already covered the day before because you haven't listened to the

previous day's show so I'm gonna cut you off before we get stuck in this quick sand again I'm just gonna tell you the part that I disagree with that Bomani said we all agree with even though the numbers suggest this season that if that's the disrespect it is going to end in a fight we don't actually have to agree that that disrespect always ends in a fight like we that like I understand the way that we all are really precious about the culture of this sport but it's a stupid symbolism like you can take it as disrespect if you want and it can escalate to the place that you fight but in my experience i'm not handling a situation like that that arrives with

that kind of disrespect immediately with a fight i understand that i'm dealing with different kinds of people in a different setting and i understand how it escalates to a fight but i'm not agreeing with the premise that that disrespect has to immediately result in a fight that didn't happen with i with Iowa and Nebraska when they didn't shake hands and that was arguably way more egregious than all the stuff that happened at Ohio State Michigan. You can expect human beings to show a modicum, a modicum of I'm not going to resort to violence because of the symbolic a

stupid act of disrespect. We're talking about planting a flag. Okay? Bomani took it to an extreme place. No, you can't have my girlfriend. No, you can't spit in my face. But you know what? After I beat you on your field, I'm going to plant my flag right on your logo.

Who cares? Exactly. The aliens didn't do it when we planted the flag on the moon. I mean, you keep saying who cares. The players obviously care. Everyone cares about it. And Dan said, you can take it as disrespect. The intention is 100% to disrespect. So let's do it this way. If, if, if we can all agree, spitting in the face,

taking your husband or wife those are greater disrespects i'm asking you where the hell is the line on this because you're telling me it's flag-planting i'm like no it's not spinning in the face yeah okay i can agree with you i'm saying that the act as a symbol is stupid and only in the stupidity of this particular cauldron

is it going to be viewed as that kind of a disrespect. Because of everything that everyone's doing and because of all the war terminology that's around this culture, the idea of protecting the home court has to be protected with violence. It's stupid, it's not grown up. It's not adult to be super sensitive to disrespect.

Why are you all of a sudden confused as to where the lines are? I bet the lines are clearly outlined in every other professional sport except for hockey where they allow them to like the reason I'm asking you where the lines are is because we can agree over the weekend a player through a Football in the face of another player who wasn't wearing a helmet after a play hit him in the face We can all agree that that is a penalty, but we can't all agree on what is over celebration. We can't because we've been doing it for 30 years in baseball and everywhere else. We don't all agree on where over celebration is. That's not something that comes with consensus agreement and I'm generally against the

very idea of forbidding and bringing more rules to sports. Bringing a whole bunch more rules to sports. I think there are degrees on what is over celebration but I do think that there's a general understanding on what is unsportsmanlike in sports. I think to suggest anything other word otherwise is pretty much a bad faith gambit because we know what unsportsmanlike conduct is generally speaking. Does it depend on which human is part of the officiating crew that day? Sometimes, but I think we know. Strawman.

I don't believe it's a strawman that we all agree on what unsportsmanlike is. You love a program where people have been arguing for 30 years about whether your entire university of miami program is unsportsmanlike and those miami players didn't agree with you that it was unsportsmanlike and i'm sure the colorado players would agree with you that everything they were doing oklahoma state on saturday was unsportsmanlike because we've got none of that particular disrespect that one so in sports now that you can do the cut at the kaisa net dance last night in the end zone and

nobody's finding any of that disrespectful planning a flag is disrespect because you're dealing with a bunch of kids who aren't necessarily fully develop human beings i know i wasn't when i was eighteen or nineteen if somebody plants a flag i'm heartbroken right now right my team has just fought in its game of the year and lost a game they weren't expected to lose. And the opponent's gonna do that in my face? Yeah, I'm gonna, I might not punch him, but I'm gonna grab

that flag from him. It's very simple. Ban flag planting. The person who plants that flag against the rules should be suspended for the next game and their team should have a 15-yard penalty to begin the next game. Banning it. There's no next game, and their team should have a 15 yard penalty to begin the next game. Bannin' it. There's no next game, though. Right, that was it. Also, like, if you're Ohio State, you have more to lose if you're Ohio State, right?

Like, you could potentially get yourself, you, you're, okay, congratulations Michigan, you won the game. Also, we're going to the playoffs, and you're not because you sucked this year, and you didn't cheat, so you didn't win this year. But, they could get themselves hurt, they could get themselves suspended.

Like I understand that it's disrespectful but like you kinda need to try to have somewhat of a level head which is hard to do in a rivalry game when you're young and the adrenaline is going. But like you have more to lose if you're Ohio State than Michigan in that spot. I think it falls down on the coaches a lot

where like Greg said said this is a point I kept trying to make yesterday. These are 18 year old kids. Their frontal lobes are not fully developed You saw this start to happen with A&M in Texas Texas was planning on going to plant the flag at A&M and SART came in and pulled that cut that shit Right then and there where you have the flip side of it where Ohio State Michigan Ryan Day was just hanging out just watching what happened. He was stunned in his defense. He was definitely in shock his own fault but I do think that like you shouldn't be fighting we don't want you to fight but we're holding these 18 year olds to judgment that they don't

have quite yet because we were all dumbasses when we were 18 except for me I've always been smart and brilliant and perfect. But is it fair to posit that, okay, it's on the players to not be so hot-headed and be able to take that. It's on the coaches to wrangle them. But the inconsistency here for me is it's all on the program to police it themselves when you don't have the governing authority

doing anything about it. So I would suggest have that rule there too. Are people gonna break that rule? Probably, will it lead to fights? Yes, will it lead to 22 in a weekend? Probably not. Bold of you to think college football has a governing authority.

Well, this is the thing though that you guys are doing that is super interesting to me, even as, and I will say this part again from yesterday, I understand that we don't want the escalation into a fight where someone actually gets hurt I have however been consistent in the idea of the games to me are more fun and more fun to watch when I've got people clucking at the television about wanting more respect with their games, with their behavior, more respect. I want more respect on the game.

And I'm generally like, nah, we don't need to respect all of that that much. We respected plenty already the way that we behave around all of this. And I sort of I buck on the idea of we're all aghast watching our television and all of us are like, oh, that was disrespectful what they did there because it's all meant to be entertainment. And you can control both your players and your temper. Like they have discipline, these athletes, in a lot of other realms. Like we're saying we're infantilizing them by making them children, but they're asked to be disciplined in a lot of other ways and

in this way they can't be asked to be disciplined. Why are we making them all children? Will Howard is 23 years old. He's 23. There are 25 year olds playing college football right now. Yeah. That's not like the majority of players. They're not all 18 and 19 either though. Again, we're watching professional sports now and you're watching professional entertainment. That's what college football is with a governing body that is weak and trying to figure out the rules

as it goes along. So just to be clear, we're trying to establish a line of where disrespect is in terms of planting a flag or not and then an additional line to figure out at what age they're no longer children and they are fully formed adults and they should know better. Look this was all bad okay however we did get the sound of Rose screaming which was a little bit incredibly hilarious and funny and the funniest thing that's ever happened. Give me the context so that Greg can hear it of where it is that it sounded like somebody stepped on a goose Give me all of the context

That is Rose at the bottom of the scrum Lucy I don't think it's right the way that you continue to laugh. I think that's disrespectful. I don't care. I know. Yeah, there you go. We have a different definition of disrespect there and you don't care. And I just planted my flag on you laughing at your friend is disrespectful and you don't care.

It's gonna lead to a fight. I mean, okay, I get it. You're the dice man. You're in your cool jacket and you're saying, I like the disrespect and I like this within the game. I get it. But you should- I didn't say that.

I mean- I didn't say that. Why'd you make him the Diceman? Because he's trying to be the Diceman. Like, let's have some fights. We like this stuff. And I'm lame by comparison. You can't reach, huh?

It is completely within the realm of possibility that one of these things is going to happen again while there are fans on the field and you're going to also ask for innocent bystanders that are rushed in the field to also keep a level head and there's going to be a really ugly situation that is going to mortify everybody, it's going to lead the today's show, and everything is going to be removed. I love that college football and college athletics gets to do things differently, gets to occupy a space in sports, in global sports, that no one else does. And I think if you just take away the flag planting, the benefits outweigh the negatives. Because we get to keep all these wonderful traditions and avoid a really ugly scene

where there's an over-correction. You make it sound like we're gonna lead the Today Show is a bad thing, and I just sort of disagree with you. Well, Dan, there's gonna be helmet swingings, violence, possibly death. Okay, like you're gonna have people swinging helmets, and you're gonna have fans on the field. This is. You sound like Judd Apatow after Chris Rock got

slapped. Possibly death. Well, you have, let's say you have a flag planting and you have a Miles Garrett situation and you also have 17 year old, well 18 year old college students rushing the field. That, that shit can get out of hand. Mob mentality. It's a bad situation and the seeds of it are after we finish playing this fun little game we're going to disrespect you and at the height of emotion and physically drained you it's a human reaction. Not everybody's gonna be aligned there's about 80 guys on this roster one of them is going to take offense to someone else intentionally disrespecting them. The reason that America is

in the place it is right now in terms of divisions almost more than any other is someone's going to take offense and then the person who's offended that person is saying that's not offensive to me it's only offensive to you you're taking away my freedom. But let me say it's bullshit to tell a player to not be offended when the seeds are universally, I'm here to disrespect you with this act. You can't expect an entire team and an entire fan base to not be feeling disrespect when that's the entire intention.

Not only that, but the flagpole is a dangerous weapon. It's got a point on the end. I mean, one guy threw it like a javelin. Somebody could poke an eye out. We played like a minute montage, and I don't know if he was throwing it to get it a little escalated quickly he's a little through a javelin you can poke an eye out with that day and it worse than that and and sports legislates disrespect all the time it's called unsportsmanlike on time it's but it's usually people making the

rules for the employees who don't think very much like the employees don't look like the employees didn't have the same experience as the employees who don't think very much like the employees, don't look like the employees, didn't have the same experience as the employees, the ones making the rules. Not necessarily in this case, but in too many of the cases. Rose is the one who got pepper spray. Rose should decide what happens. Okay, well we're having a problem with Rose and I thank you for this because Rose is at the hospital right now and she has been injured by this pepper spray incident and I think is Izzy with her right now as the is he doing some sideline reporting is Izzy going to interview her or am I interviewing Rose what is happening here? Rose can you tell me what it is that's happening here

with you where where are you? I don't know in hospital. They did not tell me where they took me, but I'm surrounded by sick people and me. Okay, so what happened? Well, actually I got pepper sprayed on my left eye, but they told me that you feel it more in the other eye, so I'm not gonna show you the other eye. It's even worse. What?

I don't understand. Everyone knows that. Yeah, it's what happens when you get pepper sprayed. It's always the other eye. It's even worse. Right. I, what? I don't understand. Everyone knows that. Yeah, it's what happens when you get pepper sprayed. I don't understand. It's always the other eye. It moved to the other eye. So you got pepper sprayed in the left eye, but you've got an eye patch on your right eye.

Yeah, that's how the human body works. Yeah. You feel the pain in the other side. Eye bone's gonna get the eye bone, yeah. All right, so, and how are you feeling right now? Well, all of my faculties are lost because even I felt Look more. Oh wow All of your faculties are lost I don't think that's I don't think that's accurate

I don't I believe you're overstating things that you've lost all of your faculties. You're speaking to us. It's her injury She doesn't get to appraise it however she wants factually all right flag planning leads to okay so Rose what is where are we headed with all of this like is are you mad at the company are you who's liable for everything that happened here well I've been advised not to say anything. We don't know yet who am I suing, but I've been getting a lot of calls from a lot of lawyers that I cannot take anymore.

And actually, it's too much. I had to hire an assistant to take them, and look, another call. I cannot take them anymore. So I call okay i think that anymore okay so now a lot of people wanting to represent me but we still don't know who's liable okay uh... thank you uh... rose yet the world as well as all nice ice it's it's it's it's like the lawyers will think that

metal art is uh... liable uh... thank you rose for your work anything else we need to know about the incident any information that lucy did not bring us because she was too busy laughing and pointing at you Well She left me hanging in there and I was crying and my eye I couldn't see and they run the other way with Harry and I was like why where are you going? You're my only hope so well. Yeah, that's how it was

Hope you like Indianapolis Rose. I'm leaving your ass there this weekend. You feel betrayed by Lucy How did you feel when you looked up through your eyes and couldn't see but could hear Lucy just laughing at you? She was also pointing at you. Oh, I Felt like I was dying I was like, oh I'm gonna die alone and the only thing that I had was two players that I didn't even know their Names so I felt like I was dying. I was like, oh, I'm gonna die alone. And the only thing that I had was two players that I didn't even know their names. So I felt so alone. So two players from Michigan rushed to your aid. Yeah. And they even gave me their towels. So I have a towel for it to remember.

Sweaty towels. Okay. They're sweaty towels. That's very nice. But all of this was happening. How did you feel about Lucy explaining that she has a coping mechanism that when she's scared and uncomfortable she just laughs? You know, I was like okay this is what I get to travel with Lucy so I just have to accept it. Okay well you can sue her too but you're not talking about that right now we'll see what the lawyers say. What if I sue Rose? I let her use my scarf to get the pepper spray out of her eye. It was a new scarf.

Thank you Rose. Get out to wherever it is that Tony is. We have to check in with him for the top five. We're going to keep you working. She lost her faculties. In the hospital. My eyes are the only thing I need to work. I don't have them anymore.

We need to get you over to where it is The Tony is so get out of that hospital check yourself out pull the wires out of your arms and get over and produce Tony Wherever he is, please. Thank you. Oh, wow. Okay, very heroic. Whoa. Yes. She is whipping out That I seems to be in better shape than you alleged that it was faculties are back She has now got her faculties are bad. She has now got her faculties back. What happened to Izzy? I mean, I thought that Izzy was going to be the sideline reporter on that.

I don't know what happened there. I think everyone needs to just relax. You know what? Let's go to a different place right now. I want to go to a beach. Everyone shut your eyes. Let's just, just relax. Just relax.

The goals are chirping. Let's just, just relax. Just relax. The goals are chirping. Let's just, all right, we're good now. Thank you, thank you for that. Yes, very calming. Do you have any other sound that can get us a bit of a sorbet? We need, we do. All right, you know what?

Let's relax, you know what? Let's all start our car in the rain. The windshield wiper. We gotta get this rain off of us. It's pouring out. Generally speaking... Take me back to the beach. Please. Generally speaking, the joke doesn't work when you have to explain to us with words and your arm what it is you were trying to do with a windshield wiper there. Greg, wake up! Turn that alarm off. Alright back to you guys. I thought those were the windshield wipers. Starting a car is calming.

It'll blow up on you. Back to the beach. Let's go back to the beach and the only one of those three that worked. I don't know what kind of judgment you're using. I got one more. Oh my god. I don't want to hear it. There's so much traffic today. Wow!

Major penalty, five minutes, ruining comedy. We'll go back to the beach. Five minutes. Yeah, get out of here. You've been playing that sound way too much. That's so good though. Because you can't be controlled. Howdy folks, it's Mike. And guess what?

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This is the Don LeBattar Show with the Stugats. I will say this is a big week for Stugats in a number of different ways. On Thursday, he and Greg Cody will be going to eight church to sign copies of their book because they're following is so large that they don't fit in a bookstore on sunday uh... god bless football lands at a christmas mall the vote uh... you've got stu gots god bless football billy and all of us really are doing a watch

party for jets in miami dolphins and i believe somewhere in everything that we are doing that all of this is going to the head of publishing giant stu gots and yesterday mike i will tell you that stu gots left here disappointed and saying that mike ryan failed to give us and the audience what it is that we wanted yesterday because all season around the University of Miami you have been in tone reasonable and not publicly just

unhinged like you have been on the heat for several seasons and Stugats felt like we were denied what people came here for yesterday which was to feel University of Miami football pain on a game that Greg Cody is calling an epic embarrassment. An epic embarrassment is what Greg Cody says it is. I know how much this means to Mike Ryan and so yesterday, because it it does it means a lot to you. You're a big part of the program. You love the Miami Hurricanes and so I wanted to feel your emotion yesterday. You were very calm. You were very cool. You were very collected. You weren't fighting for your team to get into the playoffs. I wanted to see some fight. I wanted to feel some pain yesterday.

I got nothing. So what I've decided to do on God Bless Football this week, because Syracuse deserves it. Fram Brown. Fram Brown. Yeah. And Kyle McCord. Yeah. Well, he was also talking about having both Gadsden's on. Oh, I should, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Both Aranda and Gadsden's. Yeah, well, Gadsden's cutting it up. I mean, I don't know. I kind of feel like I delivered on the pain. A year after propagandizing that the SEC is overrated and the the gulf between the two conferences isn't really all that much there Which I think has further proof by Georgia Tech's performance at Georgia Two days afterwards. I said Miami shouldn't be in in in the college football playoff I look back on videos from yesterday and I'm embarrassed. I don't recognize that guy and

All it took was seeing the SEC hype machine and propaganda machine turning And people call Miami a fraud Randy Scott getting in the mix saying put the town on alert Miami is a fraud a fraud because they lost by two games by combined nine points one to a ranked Syracuse team No a fraud goes to a six win SEC school and gets blown out 24 to 3. A fraud also goes to a six-win Vanderbilt, a place where Nick Saban said it's a joke to play at, and loses as a massive favorite. Alabama 1-3 against both teams this year. Both teams on the road.

There's a very tiny print on that graphic. People also say like, well, what would have happened to Miami if they played in the SEC or the Big Ten? We saw how Miami would play against a mid-table SEC team. They blew them the hell out. That Florida. They beat Florida at Florida. They destroyed Florida to the point that people were turning the game off. They

destroyed Florida. I think the only difference in Miami season, if they play in the SEC, they maybe have a win or two more that you against an established brand that you think is bigger and better than maybe beating the likes of 9-1 Duke or a very good Louisville team that had a ridiculous schedule this year. The difference between Miami being in and being out in the eyes of many is the fact that they're not in those power conferences. They would be the exact same team. They have a top 25 offense, they have a top 25 defense, if you can believe it or not.

All the other teams that are in that group are playoff teams. You truly believe that they'd be in the playoff if they're in the SEC and they're not because they're in the ACC? Yes, I would. And you know how? Texas A&M was a game away from being in the SEC championship game. Georgia is in the SEC championship game and they stole a game from Georgia Tech. At home they were down 14 with five minutes left so it's that kind of attitude and I understand it it's just poison throughout the nation because everyone thinks that the SEC is something that it is not

I really am trying to convey to you as much as I can yeah Miami would probably be a 10-win team which matters. You have them clumped in with these teams that have one more loss. I think in a year like this year where there's about 30 good teams that can beat anybody because a talent has been spread out, wins and losses matter. So I think on the merit of their argument is Miami should be in. Miami should absolutely be in. Now they should be knocked out if Clemson wins that game,

which is essentially a home game because Clemson doesn't deserve to be in the CFP. But if they win the conference championship, they get in and Miami would be knocked out. But I think Miami, South Carolina, Alabama disqualify Bama. Those losses are so bad. And USC, the Cox have one more loss, that matters. Miami never got blown out at home by Ole Miss. I think it does sort of like, the A&M thing is kind of where I push back a little bit.

Like Miami, if they had A&M's schedule, would most likely get 10 wins in the SEC. But A&M lucked out this season, avoided Bama, avoided Georgia, avoided Vanderbilt, you know? Like it's, and when A&M lucked out this season, avoided Bama, avoided Georgia, avoided Vanderbilt, you know? Like it's, and when A&M- Avoided Vanderbilt, I'll never get used to that. I will never get used to that. But like, I wish we could play Alabama right now

and see who's better because avoided Bama, Miami would beat Alabama. But the thing is, is like the point I'm making is like, you don't know if you're going to get A&M's schedule or Georgia's schedule and when A&M had to play good teams, when they had to play Notre Dame, they lost. When they had to play Texas, they lost. They got blown out by Texas, despite what the score said. Like I do think it's very much like you can't necessarily even make the argument anymore. I think so much whether like this conference is so much better.

And if we had been in this conference, it would have been different because you could arguably say the big 10 is the best conference, but yet Indiana managed to go through most of that schedule without having to face anyone. We kind of talked about it a little bit yesterday, but the conferences have expanded so much that like, you're not necessarily getting the full conference because you could be in the big 10 and you could play Wisconsin, Nebraska, Minnesota, Purdue every year. And that's going to be very different than playing Ohio State Michigan. So like, I don't necessarily know if even

the conference comparisons are valid anymore in the grander scheme of things. You and I sound completely aligned. I don't think there is much a difference between the big 10 and SEC and ACC. The head tohead metrics actually bear this out. Miami's got a winning record against the Big Ten. They were right there in terms of record with the SEC. I mean, what more evidence do you need to have this year that the SEC isn't all that good with the, but it's parody. They're all beating each other up because it's so difficult. Louisville won by 40 at Kentucky. Kentucky is a terrible football team.

That is a horrible example. Yeah, but they also beat Ole Miss. But that is a, like, they are genuinely an awful football team. Like, that is not, that's not an accurate example. Miami would beat these teams, like South Carolina. Everyone would beat Kentucky. Like South Carolina and Alabama.

You keep doing that, but it's perception. Well, listen, I'm glad you're fighting,'re fighting so i mean that's a good start but i disagree with you okay well do you think miami goes to norman oklahoma loses twenty four to three it was uh... twenty four to seven greg you've been wanting to get in here for a while you you've can't equivocate the frustration

miami hurricane fans should be feeling right now it was an epic embarrassment saturday because they blew it twenty-0 lead when they had everything to play for. It's an epic disappointment because it shades the 2017 when they were ranked number two for a minute and then had a terrible end to the season. Right now they're 9-0, they're ranked number six, they're in the driver's seat and all of a sudden they lose a game they shouldn't lose and now they're scrambling. Now they're praying that Clemson loses a game.

It's just an epic failure toward the end of what was a pretty glorious season. I totally understand your argument here, especially in the sense that I do think conferences have leveled out a little bit more, but also at the same time Miami avoided playing the two best teams in the ACC. They didn't play SMU and they didn't play Clemson and they still lost two games. They lost two out of their last three games. You cannot do that if you want to make the College Bowl playoff. I'm not making an argument that Alabama should be there. I don't want Alabama to be there, but like also at the same time don't lose to Syracuse. Don't lose to Georgia Tech. Right, well

they only lost twice. The other teams lost three times. The other teams got blown out 24-3. South Carolina got blown out by Ole Miss, which lost to the crap Kentucky that we said before. Miami has shown you they're not able to be blown out this season. But I think it also matters how you're playing right now. I don't think, and I think one of the biggest issues with this,

which almost feels unrelated but is, is that we don't have a set group of standards that the College Volleyball Playoff Selection Committee has given us, saying this is what we look for. This is why we're choosing these teams. Because if it is overall body of work, then yeah, you might change your opinion. But also, there is recency bias with a lot of these things. We're like, yes, South Carolina did lose to Ole Miss earlier in the season We have to sit through that game

It was absolutely miserable But they also just beat Clemson at Clemson and let their little chicken crap on the Clemson Tiger Like that's it. It does matter how you're playing right now versus how you've played the entire season I will tell you what's happening here, which is funny Billy's face the entire In the corner there feels like he's been eating lemons this entire conversation Tremendous for college football. They don't want this to ever end. They don't want a clarity. They don't want something that is actually Less nebulous than this because this is the most profitable way to do it we're

going to get sad with army navy because it's going to be a month of no college football and then the bulls are going to come back and arguing is a bigger sport in america right now than college football are just arguing is a bigger sport and what has happened here to mike from yesterday to today yesterday when he's saying they don't deserve to be in, today saying they deserve to be in is because what has officially begun now is the real season for how do I get into this bowl game.

Everybody trying to formulate the argument because you know what they've turned college football into? Debate. Yes. It's debate television. Always has been. Here's how you get in. Don't lose to Syracuse. That would have guaranteed it, but they had a 40. Hold up. Teams can lose an extra game? Lucy's point is that they lost two of their last three. They lost two of their last three to good teams. Right. Georgia Tech's a good football team. They were without their two top quarterbacks for like three weeks.

I know. That's a good football team. Syracuse is ranked. Okay it's not Oklahoma, it's not Vanderbilt, it's not getting blown out. That is something that Miami has displayed time and time again is impossible to do thus far. But Mike you cannot say that you are confident they would beat South Carolina and Alabama when you lost to Syracuse. Syracuse is just as freaking good as those teams and that's where the disconnect is. No, Syracuse is not as good as South Carolina. They are not. They are not.

South Carolina beat Old Dominion by four frickin points. What are you talking about? Why are you talking about September football? Like that's not accurate right now. Because losses happen in September and they don't just get to be a place because they happened in the SEC It doesn't just mean more because you won in November. It doesn't a loss freaking matters You know why they shouldn't be in the playoff over Miami because they lost one more fucking game

Mike I cannot understand you when you speak to me in that tone. I can't understand you when you speak to me like that The gods wins again! that tone. I can't understand you when you speak to me like that. Howdy folks, it's Mike and guess what? It's Miller Time. The holiday season brings around lots of joy and also lots of family, lots of family gatherings at your home. You're inviting people in there and you want to make sure they're happy. Why don't you make their time at your place a Miller Time? Pass around that beautiful white can of Triple Hop's Brewed Miller Lite and watch the smiles adorn those faces. Make Miller Lite the official drink, the official beverage of your holiday get-together. You know why? Because it is a perfect beer for the holiday season. You'll take

a sip, you'll look around, and you'll think immediately, yeah, I made the right call. It's got tastes that you can depend on. No games, no gimmicks, just great beer for people who like beer. Making memories at year-end gatherings? Tastes like Miller time! Go to MillerLight.com slash Dan to find delivery options near you.

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