The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Local Hour: 🎶 Four Days Of Football, Yeah That's The Holidays 🎶

Episode Date: December 2, 2024

Today's cast: Dan, Stugotz, Chris, Billy, Lucy, and Mike. After four days of football over the holiday weekend, Dan asks Stugotz and the Shipping Container where to begin. The crew begins by diving into strange kicker stats inspired by Justin Tucker's continued struggles. Then, flag planting caused fights all across College Football this weekend. While Mike is frustrated by both flag planting and upside down hand signals, Dan finds the fights to be a "natural escalation" of college kid behavior in intense rivalries and Lucy finds it all kind of funny. Plus, Billy dismisses all of Europe, Sir Big Spur and the Cock Commander, the "worst 11-1 team of all-time," and how the Texans should feel after knocking out Trevor Lawrence in their win over the Jaguars. Also, after the Dolphins loss in the cold on Thanksgiving, who's to blame? Did Tua do enough to change narratives? Is it more about Chris Grier or Mike McDaniel? And will you join us to see if they can keep their season alive at our Sunday Service presented by Smirnoff? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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off? My wife is not pleased with the last four days. She's been singing and it didn't start until yesterday. Four days of football, that's the holidays. She's just been singing it around the house because of so much football. Where do you start? Because it seems like that Chicago Bears coaching decision was about seven months ago. Like everything that happened

at the end of the Bears-Lions game. I would say it's either flag fighting or pain, South Florida pain. I would say those are the two places to either start in. Mike Ryan, where would you start today? Probably the association. Yeah, you don't want to do pain too much today. I'm curious whether Mike is mad at me.

I'll get to that in a second. Lucy, where would you start the show today? Prayers for Rose after being pepper sprayed at Michigan, Ohio State. Everyone, please bow your head and pray for Rose. Not surprising that we would go self-involved there. A lot of people got pepper sprayed but only one of them was ours. So we got to talk about the one that was ours that was pepper sprayed. Lucy, how did you manage, and this is good work by you, you're learning quickly, how did you manage to get the producer pepper sprayed instead of yourself?

I'm not filming. Rose is filming. She was doing her job. She's a very... But you were on the field too. Yeah, I was like 10 yards back. I was not... Rose is a very, very talented videographer. Oh, she was getting like B-roll. No, so Rose was in trying to get the shot. So she was getting the shot. Harry and I were probably like 10 yards back just because we were like, there's no need for us to be in there. Obviously we did not know that a fight was going to break out and there would be pepper spray use.

We would never have let Rose in that situation. But it was a little bit funny, just a little bit. Yeah, it was a little bit funny once we learned everybody was okay. But Rose, are you in agreement with me? You have worked with her more than I have. So would you agree with me though that Rose has a bit of a war photographer's temperament

where she will adventurously go boldly into places the rest of us might not? No, absolutely. We had an incident last year at Oklahoma State where that's a very tight sideline and Rose was in front of the student section and they banged paddles on the side of the stadium there, like the little thing.

And Rose, there was, I genuinely had to pull her and be like, you need to watch it. You are going to get concussed. You're gonna get hit in the head with a paddle. And it's like that constantly. She is a, she will do anything to get the shot for off-roading. So we're very proud of her for getting pepper sprayed.

She is a survivor. All right, we very proud of her for getting pepper sprayed. She is a survivor. All right we are proud of Rose for being pepper sprayed. Our first pepper sprayed situation but not our first pepper situation. We have had a couple of those at Metal Lark Media. You Lucy are as interested as Chris is in the flag planting because I understand we don't want that stuff to escalate, but I really thought both coaches were super precious about it afterward. Like, I mean, I understand that I'm- What game are you talking about?

It happened a lot. Well, all of them, but this game, the Michigan-Ohio State game is the one that I'm talking about where both coaches are reprimanding the behavior fervently when the behavior has been pretty common for a while and is sort of the natural escalation of people celebrating in the end zone these aren't actual wars going on here the thing that happened beforehand has more similarities to war than planting a flag in the front of the field. But I understand that Celtics fans are still mad at Kyrie Irving.

Think about the sentence I'm saying here. Still mad at Kyrie Irving for stepping on the leprechaun. I don't know. Rose got pepper sprayed, so we were a little bit busy after the game. We did not get to go to the Ryan Day press conference. The clip I saw didn't seem like he was really reprimanding much. It was just like my guys were not gonna let that flat that flag get planted on the field. But that's meathead behavior from him. That's meathead behavior. Why wouldn't you let the flag just get planted there? My

guys wouldn't allow it. Your guys allowed them to be in a situation where they could plant the flag because they won the game. What do you mean they wouldn't allow it? They allowed it. Like, they allowed it. It's my favorite take. God is ass. Yeah, that's my favorite take of all this. You don't want them planting the flag, why don't you win the game?

But I mean, they did allow it. Stop them from scoring. My guys wouldn't allow that. You allowed it. Like, you did allow it. They should have won that game. They were a three touchdown favorite, so I kind of get it with that game.

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and Stugats to come in from God Bless Football, a handful of things that I learned yesterday watching football, and I want you guys to tell me which of these you knew and which you find most interesting. I did not know until yesterday that Eddie Pinheiro is the most accurate kicker in league history. I don't think a single one of those was important, even the ones that won games. Not unless he played on the Jake DeLome teams or the Cam Newton MVP team and I don't know about it. So

the most accurate kicker in NFL history has kicked a bunch of accurate kicks. No one remembers Speaking of kickers. I did not before before yesterday know That sly the Patriots kicker who ended that game with a 68 yard attempt That was a yard short has five misses this year inside of 30 yards five short, has five misses this year inside of 30 yards. Five. Did you know that? I didn't know that. What the hell's going on with Justin Tucker?

That's the only reason Pinheiro is now the most accurate kicker is because Justin Tucker has missed enough this year to make his percentage fall lower, closer to 89%. You know what I think it is? He did a commercial for Craven, where he's like the star, it's got Harbaugh in it, it's got Lamar Jackson,

they're all in awe of Justin Tucker, it got to his head. It's just like, you can't be doing commercials as a kicker. The Will Levis commercial for mayonnaise looks less great when you're down 28 nothing, and you've got guys on your team doing sack dances down 28 nothing, and you've got guys on your team doing sack dances down 28 nothing, which I'm not the joy police, but we can agree, down 28 nothing,

you gotta mute the sack dance, no? Just, you gotta, I mean, sacks are hard to get, but you're down 28 nothing. Do I have this wrong? I'm with you. I think inside 14 points, you can do sack dances. Once it's past, and you know what, two possessions. Once it's past 16 points, no more sack dances once you're once it's past when you know what two possessions once it's best 16 points

No more sack dances. That's my rule inside two possessions. We can still sack dance That's a good rule there, but I do feel like the Joy Police on this stuff You guys say how many teams have done the flag pant a flag planting fight thing How many times has this now happened as we? fight thing. How many times has this now happened as we chronicle the dangers of you know kids over celebrating on the opposing field. It seems to me a natural escalation that if you're gonna make all of the war analogies and gonna do all the stuff about we protect our house and stuff that when somebody symbolically tries to flag plant on your field that there's going to end up being some fighting involved. Like that's that seems like a natural escalation of

everything we're doing out there. There were 22 teams involved in fights. I believe there were three flag plants, one pitchfork plant, and then Iowa, Nebraska they didn't shake hands. So that's like Midwest even worse than a flag plant. Very disrespectful. That passes in the Midwest for the highest form of insult refusing to shake hands after. Yeah they basically were like screw you. Nebraska fans were not happy about that. Mike Ryan your thoughts here on the flag planting incident that grabbed everybody this weekend? I'm gonna get called such a boomer. I've been pretty consistent about this and it may come

as a surprise to some folks because I'm a big University of Miami guy and they kind of invented being unsportsmanlike, but I've been very consistent when it comes to the college game. I don't like the the taunting direct to opponents. I don't like hand gestures that are upside down that are once a player scores a touchdown, puts horns down in someone else's face, and that goes with impunity. I certainly don't like the flag planting and I think something needs to be done with it. I know this is a losing position. I understand how old I sound but rationally if I can explain to you this is the only sport in the world where that stuff is allowed.

We have long since been at the tipping point for court storming and field storming. It's been a discussion and we all know that it's kind of like hanging on by a thread because all it takes is one really nasty incident between fans and players. And that's probably gone forever because it's building and building. If someone tries to do what we've saw several times over the weekend which is take an item that is closely associated with another team and after a result plant it on the field and and physically taunt not just the opposing team, claim land and taunt everybody else there. In Europe that starts a riot. So I'm just saying

it's the only place where we allow this in sports and I'd say that even though I'm in the vast minority here, the world of sports is in the vast majority that that stuff shouldn't really exist. Here's one of the things that I think about this, and I have a lot of thought about it, because it seems to me a natural escalation of, and I know it's been happening for a long time, but these coaches having less control over these players than they would like to have over these players.

I saw a Shador Sanders commercial this weekend. I don't know how many college football players are doing ads, but it's still startling to me to see a college football player doing a television commercial. And he's doing it for a team that spent the weekend dragging Oklahoma State and making fun of them every time they scored uh... a touchdown because they enjoy their celebrations in colorado oklahoma state by the way a big program school i've seen playing football outside of perhaps purdue in florida state this season oklahoma state

winless in the conference did not have a chance to complete a pass in that game i'm sure they completed some but it seemed like their receivers were always covered in that game and it seems like if you keep giving these players more and more power in these situations but you're going to get more and more unruly behavior not less when the schools are fine whatever was a hundred thousand dollars or the conference is fined a hundred thousand dollars that's not going to affect the behavior of the players at all. Okay a few things first I I'm not worried about Oklahoma State Mike Gundy is gonna get a cabinet position he will be fine he's gonna move on just okay. I think that's something we like I

talk about college sports all the time I think something we tend to forget is we were holding 18 and 19 year olds to this insane moral standard. Their frontal lobes are not developed. Their brains are not fully developed. These are intense rivalries. I don't have the conversation of making it seem like players weren't fighting before.

Players have been fighting in college football for a very long time. You don't wanna see a situation like Michigan, Ohio State where you're having to use mace, which was very unnecessary by the way. You, you're not having to use it. No, it was unnecessary. It was an incredibly unnecessary move by, I think it was the Columbus Police Department. I am not sure. I like the rivalries in college football. I kind of like the hatred. I think it's what makes it

special. I don't know if there's hatred like that in another sport with maybe the exception of European soccer. So like, we don't want to see fighting. No one wants to see insane fighting, but horns down, jesters are hilarious. You know, like planning the flag that's been happening for years. Ohio state didn't seem to have a problem with planning the flag when they did it at Oklahoma. Like it's just something that happens in the sport. It's part of the rivalry. It's part of why college football is such an American Institution there isn't really much like it and they're 19 years old. They're that they just don't know better Don't you think this is a pretty recent thing though? Basically Baker started a trend and you have all these impressionable 19 year olds as he put it kind of being

Rewarded for chasing this social clout. It's in all the highlight packages. We all love it. If ESPN and the broadcast partners use these things as B-roll to promote upcoming games. I think that the flag planting and the taunting at the middle of the field. I saw South Carolina fans taking off their belt and whipping the tiger paw. I also think that cocky the game cock, uh, crapped all over the, the paw in midfield. These are all kind of great sentence. His name is sir big spur. By the way, please don't get it wrong. Look, there's been stuff where you have opposing fans break into a stadium before and carve like their initials into a that stuff.

I guess it has a lore, but I could just do without it. And I think that it's getting a little bit more out of control and the NCAA has kind of emboldened it. And now we're at a point where you're having pretty ugly scenes. Like what happened in Michigan and Ohio State was ugly. Other people got caught up in it. And I think it's all a byproduct of doing nothing.

So I think that they should do something to try to mitigate this. But not Mace. I don't want to make light of this, but I think Arizona and Arizona State handled this right. The Mascots settle it. If there's an issue after a game, if someone does something disrespectful,

the Mascots meet at the 50 yard line and settle it. Make the coaches fight. Ryan Day, step up. Because the idea of a Mascots head getting completely flipped around is always funny. Sure. How about the losers just go to the locker room, take their medicine, and that's about it. The winners get to stay out on the field. I don't care what field they're on. And they get to celebrate. Why? Because they beat you.

That is what a lot of people are saying today and that incident was indeed ugly but I would say to you that there's a lot of general lawlessness going on around college football that can also be described that way as ugly and when you get into one of these situations where there's a cooling off period because of the emotions of what those people are doing it hurts they care a great deal We're not allowed immediately into the locker room because they're afraid of what the players might say in those situations Because they're all elevated. So when you do something that is that blatantly Disrespectful on a field I do

Understand the response of like all we can do here to resolve this at this point is fight because it's insulting and because everyone is elevated and frustrated. Man, Stugats, Ohio State seniors, imagine you're an Ohio State senior and you haven't beaten Michigan once. That's the end of your career right there. You have yet to beat Michigan and that's how your career ends, where you're a senior who hasn't won against them one time and they're planting a flag in your field at the end when you're a three touchdown

on over a favorite. Right and I'm saying don't let that happen. Beat Michigan. Beat them. I mean, agree. Losing to Michigan four times is a lot worse than planting a flag. It's a terrible Michigan team coming into Ohio State, beat them and they don't plant the flag.

Yeah, that's the vast majority of folks are lining up there. I'd say overwhelming, 95% are like, you don't like it, don't let them score. You don't like it, don't let them win. I understand that. Sometimes, you know, there's two teams playing. There's always gonna be a loser. I think it's perfectly reasonable for these teams

to be sore losers about it. It's also distinctly American to be like, you losers. Yeah, why would you take exception to someone taunting you after you lose? It's a human emotion. I think that they should do something about it. Are you not American? I'm confused.

It's distinctly American. Europe sucks, I don't know if you're aware of this. Like we keep saying like, well in Europe, this would have, Europe is terrible, which is why all of us left Europe. That's why everybody's here in America, because everyone decided, you know what? Europe is terrible.

Like, the English decided, the Spaniards decided, the Italians decided. Every single person came together at one point in time and said, you know what? We may not disagree on a lot of things, but we can all agree, Europe sucks. Let's just jump on this boat and see where it takes us, because we can't be here anymore because Europe again terrible no air conditioning

Everything is old horrible all they do is try to steal American culture and tell you all of their old crap is so great Europe Terrible and it takes forever to get there forever to get there if I'm boarding a plane for eight hours Europe better not be where I'm landing you should have used the other voice. They're gonna know that was you what what other boys You know the voice. Who's gonna know it's me, Europe? Okay, an entire continent's gonna be mad at me. Okay, Europe, you have a problem with me, that's fine. Next time I'm there, you can take it up with me,

which is hopefully never. Unless the Dolphins play in Spain next year, because I ain't gonna go to Spain and watch the Dolphins play, that'll be fun. What happened with you and Europe? Like, what happened? I'm just stunned by this. I'm just so over Europe. I'm just over it in general.

Are you guys not over Europe? No, I'm not the only one. Guys, we all decided to leave Europe. I like visiting Europe. I don't have these. Exactly, visit. We're on a short time. But no one's flocking there to live.

They can come back, exactly right. I don't have these poisonous feelings about Europe that you do. Ellen moved to Europe and guess what happened her house is underwater that's right move Ellen as soon as she moved to Europe yes her mansion so great you're up over there whoops my house is gone we've got plenty of thoughts and prayers by the way everyone affected by all the floods yeah in Spain there's floods too serious situation we shouldn't be making light of it Mike we weren. Thank you on the record.

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based on environmental conditions and usage, accessories sold separately. Don LeBataard. We didn't get to your guys' against the spread. You're right, you're right, you're right. I don't have it against the spread. Oh, well. Because I wasn't prepared for this segment.

You need an Ian in your life. You have actively played defense against me today in a way that has rarely been this undercutting. Stugats! Defense wins championships baby at show business. This is the Don Lebatar show with the Stugats! Cocky the game cock did what? Sir Big Spur! Yeah, I'm sorry. Please be respectful. Yeah, I confused him with the dress mascot. Oh my God, they were gonna name him Cock Commander. Wish they had. Oh wow.

Would have been way better. No, they were gonna name him Cock Commander and they were like, can't name it Cock Commander. We were like, why not? If Miami had won their mascot, the Ibis could have claimed to be the Cock Commander because a Syracuse reporter is claiming publicly that Ibis the mascot was hitting on her

during the game on Saturday. The game that ended Miami season in a totally calamitous fashion. It seemed to be a jokey tweet. It seemed to be just funny and that happens every game you go to. I don't mean to brag, I get hit on my mascots all the time. Big Al loves me.

Really? Yeah, very pretty. Something liberating. No, the elephant from Alabama. Al is the elephant. Something liberating about wearing a mask that allows you to riz people up. Yeah.

Yes, men do that all the time. Stugat's claimed to be John Weiner, the Marlins backup catcher in 1998. John Weiner. When he was working in the ticket office, wearing a different kind of mask. Can you guys tell me from among the things that I mentioned, and I wanna mention a couple of others

that I learned over the weekend that I did not know. C.J. Stroud, one of the reasons he may have regressed is 25 of the sacks have been allowed by guards or center. Like, pressure up the middle is gonna short circuit just about anybody. I wanted to ask Trevor Lawrence yesterday, for what? For what? You're taking that hit for what?

Like, you're going out there. If he's fair, he was doing everything in his power to not absorb it. To not take the hit, yes. You're taking that hit for what? Like you're going out there. He was doing everything in his power to not absorb a hit. He was doing what he was taught to avoid getting hit in that spot. We're making a big deal of that. It was a bad hit. It was a violent hit. There is no room for that in the sport, but.

No, no, no. No, no, Dan. The guy, occasionally that's going to happen where a guy who was trained to tackle and take a train to be aggressive Occasionally that is going to happen and people were outraged by they wanted him kicked out of the sport for the remainder of the year Are you someone brought up dick night train lane yesterday? What are we doing? It happened? It was bad Let's move on. Man, I'm a baby. I'm just so on the losing side of all these things. I thought it was pretty egregious. I'm not saying it wasn't. It was really bad. Like Trevor Lawrence made

like that may impact Trevor Lawrence for the rest of his life. I totally understand. There's no room for it in the sport. But the conversation yesterday and into last night for crying out loud was this guy should be suspended for the rest of the year. It's a violent sport. He made a bad decision. It was a gruesome hit. It was ugly. I'm certain he's going to learn his lesson and hopefully he won't do it again. He was kicked out. Can we move on? I'm with you guys. People were acting like there was like he set out before the game. People were acting like there was, like he set out before the game.

I'm gonna, it was just, he went a little far. It's a fast moving game. I'm gonna whisk through God's like, it's a bad play, he should be suspended. He should probably be fine. But to say like, I'm not gonna read malicious intent from that, that's just, the game's moving fast. Yes.

No, that was a very dirty play that happened. Like, and he went into the, we didn't see it the same as to him, but he went into the fencing pose. If you saw his hands, they both clenched up and they were fist. Like, it was an ugly concussion that he got. And he, by the way, seemingly kind of forced his way into that game because there was kind of like,

he's questionable, he's questionable. He's like, no, I'm 100% playing. Because if you remember, he was coming off of an injury to get into that game to then just get rocked, rocked on a dirty play. Stugats, the reason the reaction is what it is, is because we are all recoiling from seeing one of the players who has a human face we recognize that's not hidden behind a mask, be in a position where you can see physically, oh, that's a brain injury I can diagnose right here on my couch.

Like that's the reason that we recoil that way. I'd be curious to ask you guys this question on two fronts that we're talking about. One, Lucy, what's in your phone that's so interesting? One. Is that a question? Is the flag planting. You sounded like a teacher.

Would you like to share with the class? I'm just curious. You know what? I'm curious. I wanted to ask her this question. I didn't know whether she was listening to what I was saying or not, so I'm curious. You're talking about Trevor Lawrence in the Dirty Hit.

I pay attention. Guess what, Dan? I'm young. I can multitask. I can be on my phone and listen and be a shining star okay very good I'm gonna challenge that theorem over the course of the next couple of times you're in here we'll see the two things I wanted to ask you guys

are one do you believe if we're getting 100% honesty from the locker rooms. If I go both into the Texans locker room and into the Michigan locker room and ask, do you regret that? Do you regret what happened there? Yes or no, that is causing people so much anger. Do you regret the action that knocked their quarterback out of the game with a dirty hit? Michigan I'm a little confused you said Michigan. I would not regret it if I was Michigan I would have regret it more if

I was Ohio State maybe. I think the Texans regret what happened to Trevor Lawrence I don't think Michigan regrets what it did at all. No Michigan the running back they interviewed after the game, he was like, you got to learn how to lose, which by the way, such a bar. Oh my God. Damn. He got their ass so bad. You think they know by now too. Right. Yeah. You would think they know. If I went into the Texans locker room,

I'm less sure than you guys are that the head hunting that can sometimes result in eliminating the opposing quarterback starter so that now Mac Jones is in the game and you have a better chance to win. I'm not sure how many teams before a game, if I go in and I say, look, here's the deal, there's going to be a dirty hit that you didn't intend to be dirty, but it happened, the game moves fast and you got a player eliminated. And the result of that is he gets knocked out of the game, but so does the opposing starting quarterback get knocked out of the game.

And given that every week is, how do we win in the margins? How do we win in the margins? I'm not sure you're getting a consensus on, yeah, I really regret everything that happened there. Well, talk that out a little bit more in your locker room. An ad cutting off the head of a snake and you're suspended for a year.

And you look like you're in witness protection the next time you reemerge in the NFL. Like what you're saying is exactly what led to Bountegate. I don't 100% understand the question. So like is the question, are you happy that you knocked out their quarterback? Or is the question like, if you were to ask them like on truth serum, do they admit that that was a dirty play?

Because like, I think that they can know that that's a dirty play and be like, yeah, that's fine, whatever, we knocked out their quarterback, we don't care. Which is like a lot of what's going on, but I think that they would also, if they were to watch the replay, admit like, yeah, that was a dirty play. Well, C.J. Stroud after the game said it was a dirty play,

and hopefully he learned from that. But he also is the one that will be on the receiving end of a play like that. No doubt. So he sees it differently than defenders would see it. I'm, what I'm generally saying is the one that will be on the receiving end of a play like that. So like he sees it differently than defenders would see it. What I'm generally saying is the violence that's all out there on Sunday and Saturdays, it's all transactional. There are consequences for the violence and there are rewards. There are payments all over the place for the violence.

And one of the rewards is Mac Jones is coming into the game. And that's good for anybody who's playing against Mack Jones, even though the way that game ended up going, Mack Jones seemed to be getting more results from points than Trevor Lawrence was. Oh, Mack Jones, they left the back door open for him and he went right through it. That one hurt.

I mean, yeah, but also like, okay, it's a violent sport, but it's a two and ten Jaguars that pose no threat to you, right? And like, you have a comfortable-ish lead in your division, so you're probably gonna make the playoffs. I would say that the consequence is retribution at some point, which then is like, okay,

now what if we go and we take a shot at CJ Stroud as a result, and then that's where you regret it. Now, it didn't happen, but those are the things that could happen as a result of these clearly dirty plays, especially against a team that has nothing to lose like the Jaguars, because there's no real rivalry and heated history there between Trevor Lawrence and the Texans, or the Jaguars and the Texans.

The Jaguars are out of it, so it's a dumb play because you could then get someone on your team hurt as a result of this play. I am not surprised that you are wearing flannel today that you dug out of your closet. Since the 50s. As we all are, yeah, because it's in the 50s here. We're reaching into parts in the closet

that we don't normally go into. I am surprised you're wearing a dolphin cap today. Why is that? What do you mean? I mean, the dolphin fan. These colors don't bleed. Right. They did exactly.

Hmm, some of them. Mm-hmm. Some of them. What? Some of them did exactly what you would think. I have the stats to prove it, Jack. So what are you gonna prove to me? I will tell you this.

And I quote, at FB underscore analytical, FB analytics on the X. Since 1999, five quarterbacks have produced a single game stat line of 350 plus passing yards, 80% completion percentage, two plus passing touchdowns, zero interceptions, and lost. Big Ben, 34 of 46, 400 passing, you don't need to know all the stats. Big Ben, Drew Brees, Matt Ryan, Sean Watson,

and Tua on Thanksgiving night. Dan, I know what you're gonna say here. Tua's 0-8 in the cold, he can't win a game in the cold. Now, here's the unfortunate reality of the situation. Tua did not lose that game for the Dolphins. The Dolphins could not make a stop on defense in that Thanksgiving game. They couldn't tackle anyone.

They didn't seem to be interested in tackling anyone. The offensive line was terrible. Armstead had a horrendous game. It's a miracle that Tua even completed 80% of his passes because he was getting hit left and right. There was no one defending. And again, as Stugatz pointed out, you had that botched fumble on the punt, and then you still had him going out there and almost botching other fumbles.

The Dolphins did kind of what you thought they were gonna do. However, this is gonna stick to Tua as it should, and it's unfortunate because he had a great game for Tua standards, especially in the elements. It just didn't work out for him and the Dolphins as it doesn't work out for him and the Dolphins in the cold. But it is not his fault. And I know that that's what's gonna happen. And here's the thing about Tua that is unfortunate.

And it's really unfortunate for the Dolphins. And it's probably what's gonna get Chris Gryffired if we're gonna be predicting situations here. Because some people were saying that Mike McDaniel should be fired as well. And I don't know if I'm ready to go down that path. I think maybe you give, if you're asking me and you're not necessarily asking me,

I think maybe you give Mike McDaniel another year. Because he's basically a 500 coach at the moment. You give McDaniel another year, but you're bringing someone else to make the personnel decisions. And then you see exactly what's going on. What's happened is that we've seen, people were saying, can Tua do it?

Is Tua good enough? And that was the question for two, three years now, is Tua your franchise quarterback? And what we've seen this year, in part because of Chris Greer and the way he's managed his roster, is that Tua's the only thing that is working on this team right now.

With Tua not there, this team is a disaster, and he does not have as much help as we think he has. Because Tyree Kill definitely has something going on. And we can't figure it out. Congratulations. Congratulations, by the way, Tyree Kill. But he has something going on beyond just that roof. It doesn't make sense.

So we can't be people going over the top anymore. And maybe that nephrocuter was actually more serious than they let us know. And we were never gonna find out had he not been detained not arrested No, I know I'm sorry, I'm sorry I was saying to had a pretty good game, but he's gonna get like the you know They're gonna blame to it for the situation there Tyree kill was hurt more by that

Detaining and not an arrest then we know he was, correct? Like all of it was revealed. It took- I don't know because the only good game he had was five minutes after that happened, right? Like 130 yards or whatever and a touchdown. And then after that, the wheels fell off. I think it's more defenses just taking away that. Like they're just like, you're gonna have to dink and dunk us.

You're gonna have to run the ball. And they are. I would say it's not just Tua. The offense with Tua is fine. We're running the ball, our offensive line has been good this year. It's just in defense, like in the cold, we can't tackle. Well, they can't stop people, right?

Defense has been a problem for like a couple weeks now, going back to the Arizona game, where they scored 27 points that should win you a game, but Arizona then beats them. John New Smith, love him, paws up, so happy for him. Having a career year he's gonna get paid. He was not brought in to be the first option. And the past couple of weeks, he's been the first option.

The past couple of weeks, the last month they throw, they target him more than anybody. But it's showing that Mike McDaniel, who has innovated on offense and fixed some of the issues by doing different things, they're doing creative orbit motions, it's kind of like all the rage in the NFL right now. The offense is going through John New Smith because that's what defenses are giving them with the two high safeties. And you have two guys that are supposed to be those type of coverage beaters but for whatever reason Waddle and Hill haven't been what they've been in previous years. Mike McDaniel is one in 15 against teams with winning records.

Like that's bad, man. That's pretty bad. Yes it is. Yes it is. That is bad and they are bad in the cold and this is the time of year that they've been bad for 20 years. But I'm gonna say this because I know Dan doesn't like

to do the schedule thing. I always do the schedule thing. The Dolphins are gonna finish this season with five consecutive wins. How about that? That's crazy. Well, I think they are. They'll make the playoffs if they do that. I know.

Are there any winning teams on their schedule? There's one winning team on the schedule. They play the Texans and the Niners. Those are the two tougher games. Well, no, the Niners don't have a winning record right now. I'm just saying, in theory, they have two more tougher games and then they have two against the Jets and one against the Browns. Yep, I mean, five straight.

They're in a bad spot, the Dolphins are, not just schedule-wise, because there's legitimate questions about the blueprint of this team, and what you do moving forward, right? Chris Greer has gotten a lot of it, and you do wonder, is it time? Because you have these pieces, but if you're gonna be honest, you're just not good enough.

This dolphin seam is simply not good enough as they are right now, and you're wasting the pieces that you had. You made the decision not to trade Kaleiast Campbell. You made the decision not to trade Tyree Kill, whether that was ever a reality or not. There were rumblings, do you trade Tyree Kill and figure something out?

Now if the talks are, you gotta get rid of Greer and hey, Mike McDaniel's not getting the job done, if Mike McDaniel is out of the picture, which I don't believe he should be, I don't think Mike McDaniel should be fired, although we haven't really seen the level of success that we were anticipating to see from Mike McDaniel's offense yet.

But I don't think that it's time to give up on Mike McDaniel in part because if you get rid of Mike McDaniel, then part because if you get rid of Mike McDaniel, then what happens with Tua, who plays perfectly with Mike McDaniel, although it's presently not good enough to get you where you are expecting to go? Let me ask the group whether in the history

of watch parties done by entities. Oh, it's gonna be a big one. As large as ours, there has ever been a game That had a worse combined record than the four and seven the dolphins are throwing against What is it the three and nine jets is that or the Jets at three and nine as they lose another one? Stu got yeah in a in I don't understand why why the jets are ever favored in any of these games all they do is get favored somehow with betting money and then lose all of

the games i'm assuming that that yesterday is is good as a aron rogers has looked all season physically moving around come into connecting with Devontae Adams. Like I have not seen him look that fresh this entire season and they lose anyway. I don't think we've ever had a watch along event where the stakes are so high.

Yeah, big stakes. Like this is the Dolphins season right here. It's this Sunday, it's Sunday service. It's presented by Smirnoff. Join God bless football at Vivo at Dolphin Mall. Jets-Dolphins rivalry game. Kickoff is at 1 p.m. Eastern. Watch along live.

They'll be on YouTube. We'll all be out there. Come on out. Yeah, by the way, we're gonna be going from 12 to five. So you can get there a little bit early. I would recommend getting there early because again, holiday shopping is gonna be going on this weekend.

And Dolphin Mall is a very busy place as it is. If you can't go, check it out. And Dan, you ask, basically saying, why are we doing a Dolphins versus Jets game? Who wants to see the Dolphins? I didn't ask that. It was implied, it was implied. And I'll remind you, sir, we've done Bears versus Panthers

and Cardinals versus Jets, so this is nothing. This is a game of the year. We do bad games, Dan. This is a game of the year. Watch parties, Dan. You know what I was thinking yesterday watching the Eagles game in the four o'clock? They show Vic Fangio, and it got me thinking,

what did he see last year? Because we all kind of criticized him, like oh, he's an old guy, he doesn't get the young guy, but he goes to Philly and they have the best defense in the league. It's rare that a defensive coordinator's just like, I'm good, I'm gonna leave. And I feel like we overlooked that

and now you see this team and I just wonder, what did he see? I would love an honest interview of Vic Fangio just appraising Mike McDaniel, the way he runs it, because it's odd, when do you see defense coordinators just leave a team? And he did that last year, and so as the Dolphins struggle, and as I see him still up in that booth, crushing it, it got me thinking, what did he see last year?

As I understood it, it wasn't more complicated than he just wanted to be in Philly Yeah, and he's older and he's at the end of his career And he just wants to do things he wants to do but if he saw a team that was like we are really He didn't think this team was close I mean Philly was probably by considered by most to be closer true And he and there's and he has like the pedigree that he can make a move like that. It's just, I'm starting to look at that differently, him leaving the Dolphins.

To what Dan was saying before about the Jets, they're the first team in the Super Bowl era to be favored in nine of their first 12 games and be three in nine. If I were a conspiracy minded theorist who was thinking that Jets management was mad at Aaron Rodgers for everything that's happened, I would do what they did yesterday and have him as the lead blocker on reverses more often. Yes.

Because he did that yesterday and I'm like, what are we doing there allowing a 40 year old to sprint into a secondary with the assignment of blocking and anyone can hit him? It was the first time in his career he's had a 14 plus point lead at home and lost. He was 75 and 0 at Lambeau. It's so Jett. But it was a good loss. I'm glad they lost.

We needed that loss. Congrats go out to the AFC East division champion Buffalo Bills. I think we can say with certainty that after the Devontae-Adams trade the gulf between the Jets and the Bills actually increased. Let's get the video for people of snowballs being thrown during a field goal attempts and Chris Cody do me the favor as well I'd like to empty the file you mentioned people who have left here and gone on to better things like Vic Fangio I'd like to clear out our computer file on all of the songs and all of the jokes we told it Dan Campbell, Man Campbell's expense can you find all of those

please because Man Campbell when he came to South Florida and was coaching our team, that is something that we spent a lot of time mocking, and now Man Campbell is pretty close to the top of the sport. I guess Philadelphia would make some arguments. Kansas City's gotta be the worst 11-1 team there's ever been. Wow!

I cannot believe you said that! I mean, it's not saying much. Usually the 11-1 teams are good and win by a lot. They don't struggle against Carolina. They don't need a botched snap by the Raiders who are falling apart to win at home. Put it on the poll at LeBotard Show, please, Juju. Are the Kansas City Chiefs the worst 11-1 team there's ever been been I agree with you But I don't think you want me agreeing with you as it relates to the chiefs. You said it. I'm just supporting you Oh god, I'm sorry. You're not allowed to talk the chiefs under any circumstances

Let's try that again Chris Cody and this time get the timing right Stu got minor penalty two minutes for chiefs talk Let's try that again Chris Cody and this time get the timing right. You've earned that penalty Stu Gotz. You've been doubting the Chiefs and you can't doubt the Chiefs for two consecutive Super Bowl runs. Be that wrong and suffer No consequences for your Chief opinion. So they have a 54 Point winning differential which is like mid table in the NFL But it's it's quite the take when you consider this as a team That's one back-to-back Super Bowls and three in total recently that they're the worst 11 and one team of all time

in total recently that they're the worst 11-1 team of all time. You don't get to 11-1 with that point differential. Some of those close games end up getting lost. They've won a couple of games with a blocked field goal and a botched snap from the other team. The other team is failing more than you're succeeding. You've got to think it comes back to haunt them, but this isn't a team that just bursts on the scene, you know? We know them to be good. Howdy folks, it's Mike making this podcast time. Miller time. That's right, Miller Lite makes all the great times even better. Why? Dependability, for one. Great taste, less filling, you know exactly what you get. Everybody's gonna be happy because they're gonna be drinking on a beer that tastes like beer.

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