The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Local Hour: Fuhgeddaboudit

Episode Date: December 13, 2023

Billy is dressed as an old-timey baseball player named Billy Two Legs in honor of the Tungsten O'Doyle Bucket of Death punishment. Charlotte and Amin are here to celebrate the Draymond Green punch and Tommy Devito and Zach Wilson being named the NFC and AFC Offensive Players of the Week. Then, David Samson is here to celebrate loopholes MLB owners take to manipulate their finances. Plus, Sean Stellato, Tommy Devito's National Italian American Hall of Fame bound agent, joins the show to share Italian phrases and meanings, his story, and sound exactly how you'd hope. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to Giraffe King's Network. I know that show introduction is all filled with jokes, but we did do that on purpose, right, where we did a countdown from two minutes and the introduction is less than two minutes. It's one minute. It's the fastest two minutes in sports. All right, so that is a joke. We're doing that on purpose. That's not in competence, correct? It's not in competence is starting at 905. Okay, well, I knew there would be incompetence somewhere that we can make a joke out of. Found it. So thank you. Also, we are very lucky today to have Charlotte Wilder and Amina Hassan because basketball

dream on green is doing maximum dream on green things that don't have much of anything to do with basketball. This is how it ends for the warriors, you understand. It's with him punching in the people in the face, getting his money and then not making it about basketball at all. But before we get to that story, I just want to know what is happening in the left corner of the shipping container where you are suffering a punishment of some sort, the commissioner of the grid of death, and are you, you're an old-timey baseball player?

Well, Dan, here's what happened is, as you know, I'm the commissioner, I rule with an iron fist, and it's December, as everybody is aware, so punishments have to be paid off, as a, you know, bucket of death is is here and it was brought to my attention that Roy was supposed to be Completing a punishment today now I switched with Roy So it seemed only fair that I would have to pay off said punishment now This is gonna count as one of my punishments But a punishment is being paid nonetheless, and I don't know what Roy's gonna have to do He's gonna have to figure something out looks like his punishment is invisible

is being paid nonetheless and I don't know what Roy's gonna have to do is go have to figure something out looks like his punishment is invisible It's pretty good punishment. Are you a particular baseball player? Are you in character as a an old-timey baseball player that's specific or just general old-timey baseball player? I'm told that I am supposed to be tungsten arm o' Doyle from the 1921 Akron groomsman. No damn see he's over here. He's Billy Tuleggs. He's the fastest man we've ever seen in this sport. I'm also alarmed at how much Billy actually looks. Like, we just got to put you in Cpia or Sepia. How do you say that?

You know what I mean? He does, you actually, this, I don't think we've ever had a costume that is quite that authentic. If you immediately stepped out from a hundred years ago, I would think you don't even look like Billy. You look more like you're all curly. That's the picture right there. That's the picture right there. It's always in that and that stands. And then a 47 mile an hour fast walk. And then he shotguns like four beers in the dugout.

You have never seen anything like it. That is how I expect the agent for Tommy DeVito to come on and join us in 20 minutes. We have the agent for Tommy DeVito on with us and he looks like an old-time, you guys kept doing like mafia stuff yesterday. And to me he felt like an old-time journalist, like Bert Sugar, like somebody

who would talk like a journalist in the 20s. With press in his hat, like you know, the hat and it's got a little press pass. Can we see the great moped, Caper? Yes. You know how fauzy, whereas the press hat and he goes, stop the presses. And then he's like, I just always wanted to say that. You guys were very excited. You guys, I couldn't believe how excited you were when you learned.

And I think about how prisoner of the moment we are. At any other point in our lives, if I had said to you guys, hey, we got Tommy DeVito's agent on. You'd be like, what, why, what are we doing? But today, the newsroom started bustling because a man who is dressed as a costume agent for a quarterback who is playing strong Italian is very exciting to get on the show. This is not a costume, Dan. This is his truth. Sean Stolato is living

his truth. He he he's going to be inducted into the oh god Italian American National Italian American sports Hall of Fame. Chris Cody, why are you laughing at Charlotte? Nothing. I'm just supporting a teammate. I love you Charlotte. I'm trying to be here for her. Okay. He's rocking. He's rocking those up because it was recently inducted into the Massachusetts sports Italian Hall of Fame. The Salem, Massachusetts. Oh, so not the whole. Oh, it's just Salem. Well, I got a double check. Charlotte, you're double checking, and this is, there's some bad teammates around here,

although when we did the White Santa or what was it? White elephant. White elephant thing. Wow, that's right. That's White Santa's on the 25th. Thank you. Three Americans. White.

The White elephant gift exchange that we did yesterday. This was a bustling place that gave me great joy because it made me feel like wow look everybody's loving each other getting along we're having a lot of fun singing music everything else but there is nothing that creates more enjoyment around here I think based on Chris Cody's laughter when Charlotte was leaking confidence going through her notes that was not you being a supportive teammate you were enjoying the mean got called it out you you're the bad teammate i was doing it quietly she would have

never known well while you've been bickering about who's a good or bad teammate i learned that shot salotto is in the salam high school hall of fame so the reason why for now the reason we were bickering about it is because generally if there are smiles in that room i followed them but he was laughing at you not with with me. And that's my point, and I didn't recognize that. He was enjoying, because absolutely what he was doing is enjoying that you had to go to your notes, and now the show was just sitting in your lab. Yeah, well, what else is new?

What? Billy, I would like for you to be different characters, different old-timey based, but his teammates, whatever this guy's name is, the 1920s O'Dool, I would like throughout the show for you to become different teammates of O'Dool. Can you do that for me? Sure. Anything you want, Dan, because I'm a good teammate. By the way, speaking of bad teammates, this agent of Tommy DeVito, he really did the security guard of the Eagles like a disservice, right? Like he was the Italian for the moment and then immediately got kicked off of that a week later.

An Italian from Philadelphia willing to fight the 49ers. Tom DeSandro, yeah. Oh, we have breaking news on the Tommy DeVito front. He is now the NFC offensive player of the week. What is he doing? Oh, so good. And we always do we could do it. Parah!

All right, so that H-AFC offensive player of the week. Zach Wilson. What is going on? What is going on? What is going on? I will tell you what's going on there, okay? Football is very popular. We must keep it popular.

All of the good quarterbacks are hurt. These are the ones that are left who are playing better than the other ones who stink who are left. That's what's happening. I mean, walk me through what's happening with Dremont because these things don't end quietly. They don't end nice. They don't end well. Clay Thompson wants his money. Jordan Pullg up punching the face for like tempting Dremont

Green about the idea that he wasn't going to get his money. And Dremont Green hasn't done substantive basketball stuff in a while like they are no longer champions They're not going to be champions. It's over in golden state. Obviously. There's a sound bite the young people have the young people have taken The sport from them and they're not going to win the championship. I mean you know this I don't know if there's any team that makes me feel confident they're gonna win a championship So I would say from a golden state perspective Jury's not out because there's nobody out there who appears to be in Falaibur dominant in that way I would say that Denver was that last year. They were and Denver is a good deal better than them

And this is how the decline I know that at the end of these games You know, I saw the the one the other day. I thought Steph Curry had won the game late with a three, one eighteen one fifteen, but no, Oklahoma City is really good. And when I tell you that the young people aren't going to let them stay champions, they've been reminding the memfaces of the world, we've got four rings, but that isn't what it was, okay? This is the diminished remains of what was the best regular season basketball team I have ever seen and then added Kevin Durant Mm-hmm And the remains of that have a smoldering presence at the middle of the locker room that is totally volatile cannot be trusted to

handle frustration with grace and frustration is What my homes what you, my homes got used to winning. And what you saw leak out of him was that drake monger used to winning. They're not winning anymore. And he's at the center of it. What's happening there? I don't like, I just think this is a guy. I don't know if it's tied to not winning. I just think he's operating in a space where He feels untouchable I can do anything and there will be no repercussions and that's weird because basically In the calendar year of 2023 this is gonna be his I'm assuming he's gonna get suspended for this

It's gonna be his fourth suspension in just 2023 He's only had five total in his career. Game five of the finals. He had a suspension in 2018, 2019 from the argument with Kevin Durant. But then in 2023, he got one for having two main technical files in March, in April. He stomped on a subonus's chest in the playoffs.

And then the Rudy Gobert incident and now this and it's like I Don't know after every one of these incidents have you ever heard him be contrite Or be like man. I got to do it But he has earned championship FU. This isn't contrition. They are defiant They win at the center of his defiance his defiance is only been rewarded but is the finance this year this calendar year has been nothing but a dumpster fire he did say after this one he said i'm not one to apologize for things i mean to do but i do apologize to

use of because i didn't intend to hit him i sell calls with my arms i was selling the call and i swung and unfortunately i hit him which is also admitting that he was going against the NBA's very important policy of no-flapping the stem roll what does that stand for me uh... secondary the article exaggerated movements that is great i wish that what happened is they just find him for flopping because he copped to flopping like that this was a total accident i was just flopping like i would please find me for flopping it that. This was a total accident. I was just flopping. Like, I would, please find me for flopping. It's what I was doing.

And I actually believe him. I don't usually believe him, but on this one, he's parsed it so discerningly where he's saying, no, this one didn't have intent. I tell you, I tell you when I have intent, now he doesn't do that either because he intended to step on some bonuses chest. But I actually believe him in this instance.

Do you know, do you guys know what he got suspended for officially in the Rudy Gobernative? What the league called it? Choking. It's called putting his arms around the neck in an unsportsman like in dangerous manner. What's the sportsman like way to do that? Exactly.

Now, look, there's a part of this Dan where you can say, yeah, the defiance is how we want our championships. But again, all the evidence recently is he's doing this and it's hurting his team. Don Lebertard. Greg Cody of The Miami Herald is writing an article and I'm reading in it, Moss Miami sold out. Miami artist, Miami culture article and I'm reading in it. Moss Miami sold out. Miami artist, Miami culture, and I'm reading Moss Miami's sold out, and I'm reading about digital podcast network, and I'm reading about us, and I'm like, this is our dreams coming true. Still gots. A thousand people come out, and we see the shipping container on their own stage, and they're like rock stars.

You and me, both had tears in our eyes. We're like mom and dad of sentiment, and it's hard to get you to sentiment man That was a very emotional moment for us to see those guys. I'm telling you guys You were on stage dead and I were both crying. Are you guys aware of this? Crying Like crocodile tears. We believe crocodile tears are fake I thought they meant big this is the the Dan Lebatar show with his two cats. David Samson is with us.

His podcast is nothing personal. He works very hard on it. It comes up first thing in the morning, the degree of difficulty on what he is doing. A solo show, not a lot of people covering that subject matter, not a lot of people in the media space are doing what he is doing. I encourage you to listen to the podcast, watch on YouTube because there are not a lot of

people doing right now what David Sampson is doing. Colin Cowherd, the one man show he does, he does it with 10 writers. Those things are, those are grenades lobbed in the air to go viral and that's how Colin Cowherd is going to do it at the end of his career. David Sampson is starting his career as a solo artist. This shit is hard as a solo artist. I hated it as a solo artist. I wasn't very good at it as a solo person. So I'm encouraging you to listen to that podcast. It's very good and I will say again, most people are afraid of a lot of the stuff that he's talking about. So they just let it go, they do not talk about it. Now, we've been making fun of you again, David,

because we brought up that sound that you had a bunch of years ago about each year, or bringing down baseball with his $100 million contract. And now you're out here, and I think you're louder than anybody, shriller than anybody about this contract is doom. Has anyone, have you seen anyone push that take further than you where

you are pissed off on behalf of baseball, management, and everyone else as always that labor got money. You're pissed off that a guy gets paid what he deserves. I'm also pissed off on behalf of agents. There's not one person in the baseball atmosphere who's happy with the Otoni contract. The agents aren't happy and I've spoken to a bunch of them because that deferral is an absolute joke without interest. The owners are not happy because they cannot compete with what the Dodgers offered, the way Otoni and his agent dealt with this entire thing.

It's actually not been positive in any way. And now you're seeing all the team scurrying to sign the next guy, whether it's Yamamoto, the giants immediately signed this Korean player, gave $113 million. So there's a great game of musical chairs going on. David, why? Why do you think, who does this deal help? Who does the Otani deal help? Yeah. Well, if you believe that Otani can actually move

to a state where there's no taxes and only have to pay tax on 2 million a year, the California rate for 10 years and then move to Florida the way Schurzer has and pay no state tax on 680. If you believe because the tax law states as some people are saying, if you defer money 10 years out, you pay tax in the place where you are when you get that money. That little poll is gonna be closed.

If I'm Otoni, I am not assuming I get that savings. He never was gonna leave Southern California. It was either the Dodgers or the Angels, I thought the Angels, and the Dodgers just went too far, and it either the Dodgers or the Angels. I thought the Angels and the Dodgers just went too far and it's typical Dodgers with their financial bullying. All you had to do was to fur 50% the way, Shursor got deferred or the way, bets are freeman, but they made it so it's embarrassing.

David, so I don't know how these things work. You ran a baseball team, so you know better than I do. Looking from it from afar, when he defers all that money, it seems like, okay, well then, the Dodgers owner would be incentivized to just sell the team before he has to pay him the $680 million. But that's not how it works, correct? No, there's something called a purchase price adjustment. That means when you buy something, so picture when you buy a house.

And if that house through inspection, it needs a new roof. You go back to the seller and say, hey, I was offering you 300,000, but a new roof costs 30,000. I'm now only going to give you 270,000, because I have to pay 30 for a new roof. And if I don't buy the house, you're gonna have to get the new roof or it's gonna leak all over you. That's what'll happen with the Sotani deal.

If the Dodgers choose to sell, there is not an owner out there, any prospective owner, no matter how rich that person is, who will pay Otony, 680 million, not to play. So if the Dodgers are worth six billion, they'll actually get 5.32 billion instead of the full six. But do they have to put anything like an escrow over these years? So they're actually paying part of it now, correct? It really is such a joke, yes. Majorly

Baseball has this rule, and the Union doesn't want any rules. They're okay with deferrals because players like force savings plans etc. But the rule is you actually have to segregate the amount of deferred comp that you have. You get a two-year grace period but any deferred comp over two years gets segregated. So let's pretend that we're today. The Dodgers don't have to segregate anything. But in two years, they have to segregate what he's got remaining. But the way you do it, and this is what teams do, you take a picture of your bank account that shows the amount of money in it that covers the deferred money. But that's only a snapshot.

So what owners do is they reallocate from other accounts assets they have or they borrow money from a bank for five minutes. They put it into an account and then they take it out to the minute baseball service. That is unbelievably neat. No, but what Samson just did there, did you see the grinning light of delight on his face? Oh, look at how happy

he was. Let me tell you this secret about how owners fake what they're doing so that they can keep the business Ponzi scheme going. That's unbelievable. How delighted you were. Not to reveal the Ponzi scheme to be happy that it exists. He revelled. Well, it's so critical because you don't want to have that money just sitting there in an account available at all times because you want that money working for you in other ways. I would take it.

I'll put that in my account. It can sit there as long as it wants. David, my question, well, you just said also, I'm like a lot of math. The one thing that I take away from this is that, Bobby Bonilla Day ends in 2035 and Shohei O'Tani Day is if that's what we're going to call it, feels like it is. Starts in 2034.

So I just feel like it's important. We always have one of those big days happening. And I'm glad that they dovetailed it like this. And Charlotte is right. I believe that what you did there, what you just did to explain that to us is more informed than anyone I've heard talking about these contracts. And Charlotte is right when she says people are tuning out. It's just a bunch of numbers. No, it's a bunch of numbers. Yes, a bunch. That was interesting. I was into it too. I agree. It was interesting to me. I'm

a tough man. You're going to explain to me that America hates math. i agree to it was interesting to me i'm top man you're gonna explain to me that america hates math like america hates math and he's talking numbers and you know what's worth and mass worse than math doing it in podcast for rat-tat-tat style with a guy who's the smiling face of corporate greed who enjoys telling you about these dirty secrets these billionaires do to keep sports from us ever knowing hey otonny he's kind of undervalued at seven hundred million because he pays for himself with all of the international money that comes over doesn't even need our seven hundred million because of how much he makes no I know you're gonna disagree of

course you are he is worth this money david of course you let me give you some facts about bobby bennie and why that day is so special do you know that bob Bobby Bonilla, the reason why he gets the million dollars a year, is the Mets deferred his money, but they pay him 8% interest. And the reason they were willing to pay Bobby Bonilla 8% interest on their money is the Mets were investing that money that they would have paid to Bonilla and they were giving it to MadeOff. And so they were getting more than 8%. So it's a great business deal. Take cash, get 15%, but only pay 8% to get it.

That's a winner. The loser is Otani who's getting zero interest on his money. All right, now you're asking me. There were also lots of losers in the made-up well this is the thing about this is what he's smiling about this is the fact that's not smiling about made-up no no no no no there's the line you're not smiling about made-up the guy who got caught

you're smiling about the fact that the will ponds made money the will ponds made money by give it yes by but what is the distinction you're making? That's what is it? No, but listen, it's here's why it's not here's why it's not a huge distinction All of this shit you're talking about billionaires taking them down I phone picture of their bank accounts because they've made all this money in all these other places that they then give to the ultimate schemer to make yet more money off it. That's what Beniz being paid in 2035 and sports fans are mad that Beniz making that money

when they're not mad at the will ponds for being less famous for making more money off that same scheme money. I would not compare when you try to leverage other people's money to make money for yourself to what Bernie made off did. Bernie made off died in prison, having done a real Ponzi scheme where you steal from people, including a ton of great charities.

Bernie made off deserves to be in hell forever. And not whatever his definition of, I hope it's worse. What the will Ponzi did is what all owners do with all people, it's what you try to do. Are you not investing money in metal or coping? You get more back. What is that saying?

I'm investing money in you hoping I'm getting more back. How's that going? Good luck. How's our merch store doing? How's everything going? You smiling again. Well, the merch store app has been doing great at levitardaf.com. And the reason why it's doing great is you guys are doing such great promotions and great

drops. People love the merch. There's fulfillment happening. Everything's great though. I would like you all to pay a little more attention to running of the merch store because what angel and judo are doing together is so fantastic. Andy, shit, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Juju, Andy, the goddamn thing, I ain't to shit. Yes you have?

No, I haven't done nothing. Nobody has presented something to me that makes sense in that category. Leave me out of this. I have no designs on that website. No designs yet, but we've had great talks about what I want you to help me with in that merchandise store, Juju.

All right, listen, we've got a problem here that I will you to help me with in that merchandise store. Do you? All right. Listen, we've got a problem here that I will reveal to the audience later. Not even later in our future years, I'm talking about later in this show, I will explain some of the problems that have to be managed between people at our company when money's involved and jujus not playing. Okay? Like that's not. So I'll explain that later. But David, levitardaf.com, juju, I don't wanna lose you here.

I don't wanna lose you, come on, stay with us, stay with us. All right, stay with us. I promise I'm right here with you, brother, I love you. Okay, all right, you got it back. All right, he's back, stay with me, okay? Stay with me, no, juju and I have had, I believe our most meaningful conversations recently. He knows I love him, but Ju-ju's mad and I don't want corporate pissing off any more

people at our company. But our company needs corporate because it's a crumbling media economy and we need to figure out ways to share money. And it's hard when you do business with friends. Levitardaf.com, Samsung Sucks 20, is the code if you want 20% off. I'm going to now go. I'm going to take a break because we got Tommy DeVito's agent, Samsung. We will talk about this off air. We will talk about this off air. Thank you. No review this week, okay? levitardaf.com levitardaf.com Samsung sucks 20 go ahead and keep laughing at juju. Let's see how that goes like we're not laughing about this. I'm loving it. That's that up with samson. This is not funny. Sam's not laughing at juju, Dan.

Samsung sucks 20 is the code levitardaf.com is the website. sucks 20 is the code lebertard AF dot com is the website done lebertard many of you by the way are writing in and you're saying Dan quit being so mean to cohosts that you always deem incompetent that's the formula man me being mean to the cohosts is what allows to got to take a very wealthy vacation right now. Still gots. It's a winning position for everyone, but me. Have you guys not figured this out yet? That's the whole thing. It's me being rotten straight, man.

As everyone else gets to be incompetent, I yell at them for being incompetent. And here's the miracle of it. And it's the magic elixir. Bad, which is the only thing Greg Cody can be, becomes good and lovable. And it's because standing next to obnoxious strident me makes everyone look that way Yeah, and the brush with death helped yeah, that was planned by me the whole thing was contrived

This is the down lebertar show with this two gods I Can't believe how unreasonably excited everyone here is about this. I'm confused by it I'm hypnotized by it we applauded it's so strange uh... we were so delighted to see what i was calling the costume you were wearing on monday and everyone here yelled at me and said that is not a costume that is that that is who that man is and i'm like but he looked like a journalist from the nineteen twenties and they're like no shan still out of his authentically to me divino's

agent and to me toilato is authentically Tommy divino's agent and Tommy divino is authentically italian so shan thank you for joining us and please just tell me what the reaction was generally to you standing next to your star client the player of the week in the nfl somehow i just can't i can't even believe i'm saying this um what tell me what at the last few days have been like for you as uh... Tommy divino's agent and thank you again for joining us saying this, tell me what the last few days have been like for you as Tommy DeVito's agent. And thank you again for joining us. My pleasure. You know, it's been obviously pretty, pretty crazy. But at the end of the day, we, we're focused in one day at a time.

He's preparing for New Orleans. I'm preparing for some, working on some opportunities for him and other clients, but it's definitely there's been a lot of people coming out that I've been heard from in a while. But like you said, what you see is what you get. I mean, I have it. This wasn't no costume. That's my wife's. Yeah.

Oh, my first life, I was from the 20s, though. She did say that. Sean, I just want you to know I had your back. I was like, Dan, don't you say that? You look incredible. Am I right that you're being inducted into the Italian-American sports hall of fame this weekend? Or is that what you're had is?

Yeah, you know what? I'm representing... Yeah. Yeah, it gives from New Era, but yeah, I'm getting inducted Friday night. So excited, very humbled, honored. I think about who came before me, my ancestors, you know, very low means from Ponte Grande and San Bias, Cattanzaro, Calabria, Italy. I'm here now.

This is pretty remarkable and very blessed. And I've got some amazing clients that I work with, really excited for Tommy. It's crazy how it's all kind of the stars are aligned the week of the the Hall of Fame induction, which is kind of cool. I'm going to ask you a very difficult question. I give you the choice and you have to answer and don't give me agent speak, you have to answer this question. You get the choice of either being inducted into this hall of fame or all the calls that you're getting from Italian sponsors and pizza companies because your client this week is gonna make a lot of money and your phone has to be ringing like crazy

I give you only one of those you can have this week in a dream week. You choose one. Which is it the hall of fame or all this all this opportunity that's coming your way for being Italian this week. You know I would say the opportunity for Tommy DeVito I would choose you know my first and foremost is a sports agent you know the Hall of Fame school it's great for my kids and my family and the ancestors but I'm a full-time sports agent you know I wear my emotions on my sleeve and it's about service and my kids and my family and the ancestors, but I'm a full-time sports agent. You know, I wear my emotions on my sleeve and it's about service and my clients. And I would pull that straw all day long. Sean, I have a question for you when this, this gesture, can you tell me to what does that mean to you?

Like this means a lot of different things to a lot of different people. We've seen it a lot in the recent weeks. And I think it's amazing. I'm married to an Italian American. This is a part, this is a real, yeah. This is a real thing. I would like to say. And I would like to say the podcast.

And I would like to know what it means to the chain. Oh my God. Yeah. So long story, this can be interpreted, I think, different parts of Italy, where you're from. But I mean, forget about it. I mean, it's really just, yeah, listen to me. You mumm'alook.

I mean, come on. So I think, or it's just kind of, people are not paying attention. It's a symbol. I think it's interpreted differently by different Italians, but it's definitely a powerful hand gesture that Tommy's passionate about. I love it. And I'm sure a lot of proud Italianos over the world

is starting to incorporate in their daily routine a routine a little bit more think it might have been really used a lot more in years back uh... but i think it's it's uh... the contemporary angesture where excited for well they have a they have an emoji to which i think is very important is m on his necklace that's the medallion it's it is the that emoji correct no yes that is correct yep that. Yes, that is correct. Yep. Well, that's, oh, I lost you guys. We hear you.

We hear you. Yeah, me. OK. So that is the Italian who won, which is considered for the Maliki. It's supposed to protect you. There's a lot of Italians. We have a lot of superstitions.

And whether it's, I have a lot of free game rituals that I can't change up So I'm kind of torn up for Sunday with trying to Which are trying to weigh in but I know his dad's very superstitious in his mom And that's something that we carry as Italians very sacred to our hearts Have you and Tommy DeVito ever had an argument that has escalated into genuine, listen to me, you mama loo? Hey, you know, Tommy and I both got an understanding of each other, you know, for me to get it done for him on and off the field, but you know, no, we haven't had that heated argument, you

know, like Tom Brady and Coach O'Brien did back in the Washington game years back. We're staying in our lane and we're laser focused on obviously delivering it for him on a daily basis and what he needs. Look, I stood on the table for him, draft day, and had to listen to a 28 other team saying no. One thing I've kind of lived my life is the best revenge is massive success.

And just don't worry about things you can control. And I know he's locked in, not listening to all the hype neither am I, because at the end of the day, we're an opinion-based business. And you only as good as your last game, as we all know that. So I'm only as good as my last deal. So I got it, you know, it's a constant evaluation process for, you know, everybody in this business,

a player as well as an agent. Speaking of sports and deals, and I want to know what's your take on Otoni's contract as an agent? Like, how do you feel about the deferment of that much money until what, 2034? You know, I think, I mean, look at, tomorrow's not promised anyone,

and obviously football out of the four major sports is the highest injury rate. I think the guaranteed components important, obviously, you know, you look at how free agency and salary caps have really changed the game, especially in the NFL. But I'm locked in on my guys in terms of their deals. I'm sure, his camp got an agenda and how they've strategized to get him paid. But it's definitely new press and it's a met, you know, every year and I think as agents you strive

for that to get the top of the market for your guys. You're being very gentle. You're being very gentle. It's agent speak. It's not authentic Italian, Sean, what are you saying in private speech? Like, you gave me a load of agent bullshit because you don't wanna be mad at other agents

because you don't wanna be the the story but you want your man Tommy DeFito what's gonna happen yeah the Giants will tell you we'll pay in 10 years yeah deferment deferment so I mean come on hey I think you got to have a sit down and you got to break bread and you know you know maybe you get those swing by bad of bang and see if there's anything to work out okay. Okay, because I felt like you didn't give us honesty there. Other agents are super pissed about this. It's a bad contract for your business because you can't defer payments because like you just said, do you know how lucky you are?

All the quarterbacks have to get injured for yours to get a chance. Yeah, it's, look at this definitely, this, I think the whole evaluation process on talent. I mean, look at a lot of, a lot of experts get it wrong. We see it every year in the draft. They get it wrong in free agency. I think, you know, in terms of having an eye for talent and really believing in your guys, I think it's important.

And I've been doing this for SES sports is over a decade old. I take pride in the guys I go after, the character, the traits and the ability to want to give back as well to those in need. But I mean, a lot of the decision-making is as we know is out of our control, you know, especially in the early process going on draft and you got to cut your teeth. And there's

been a lot of great players that end up in Canton that, you know, got an opportunity on something on all facts, all that all is happening and an injury. You know, I know, I know, you know, Tommy was in a lead 11 quarterback. Tommy was a dark horse for the Heisman. Tommy went out to the open and Oregon and outperformed to a Trevor Lawrence. So I think what he's doing, it doesn't surprise me, Juan Bitty. He hasn't even scratched the surface of what he's going to become in this league.

Sean, you have also maybe not scratched the surface. I don't know if people know this, but you write children's books. And you've also, yeah, and you've gotten, no, you've just gotten blurbs from some really amazing people. You've gotten blurbs from Bill Belichick, Chip Kelly, Doug Flutey, Sean Payton. I mean, what is, it's a buddy in the magic ball and football magic. And you also have a book no backing down. Can you tell us a little bit about being an author? No, and it's also fourth and long. The odds my journey. So you're doing a lot of writing in your spare time.

You know what, I've always tried to be creative. My daughter, Gianna, she suffers from juvenile arthritis. And we were in and out of Boston Children's Hospital. And Gianna, I said, Gianna, what can we do to start a movement? And she said, Daddy, let's write a children's book. So she took her passion for ballet, mind for football, and we had to twine it and came up with this football magic.

And it's kind of has some Harry Potterism into it, slash meets the goonies. And it's a beautiful tale, early chapter books. So that's gonna be a series. My book, No Backing Down, I've been an underdog my entire life. This story, I'll challenge any sports story ever written. It's kind of like, remember the Titans meets the team of Rudy's. But the

mantra of my journey is no backing down. So it's kind of cool that that is the title and how I live my life every day. It's a human triumph story. It's an underdog high school football team and let's just say it's uh it definitely got some umph toward power all the parallels that parallels to the Salem witchcraft trials as crazy as that sounds and what he has what coach now our coach was literally compared to Jim Jones and David Kuresh starting a football cult and which was completely false. He was pretty much, the coaches put their livelihoods on the line because there was a major teacher strike. They had two contracts. One to coach, one to teach. The administration said, if

you're a coach, we're going to terminate you on the spot. The union says, go coach, a job description in the collective bargaining agreement has no relevance that we broke into school still stole our equipment stashed at a local field and it was uh... we're undefeated getting ready to play taught me she was a quarterback a swamp scott and let's just say we had three three miraculous games you can't write so the movie scripts done of course no it's just getting started it's getting started right now the movie script is beginning right now uh... shan forgive me for interrupting you on this we're up against the clock but we will talk to you again i have a thousand more

questions so thank you uh... we want to respect your time so thank you for being on with us sir i appreciate you guys have a new go go giant some you guys enjoy this holiday season alright thank you sir shout holiday season, alright? Thank you, sir. Ciao.