The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Local Hour: Go Kick Rocks

Episode Date: January 25, 2024

Vic Fangio is taking his fangs to the City of Brotherly Shove, leading to a debate of how much impact he actually had and how Mike McDaniel will replace him. More importantly, how should Jevon Holland's instagram video of himself literally kicking rocks be interpeted? Is this phrase making a comeback? How old is it? After coming up with as many aphorisms as they can, Dan wonders about the fad counteracting the phrase 'where the sun don't shine', confusing and horrifying Lucy with his intrusive thought explanations. Despite the Terry Rozier trade, Mike Ryan thinks the Heat still need to get better. Peter King breaks down Billy's dish washing technique and the Sports Illustrated situation. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to Giraffe Kings Network. This is the Don Lebatore Show with the Stugatz Podcast. Stugatz, I want to talk to you about Vic Fangio leaving the Dolphins for a specific reason. Okay. Because I have been, over the years that we've been doing this, I have been sort of exasperated by how fan bases who don't totally understand how any of this scheming works, it takes the result and either hates an offensive coordinator or loves a defensive

coordinator and I was sold on Fangs is the difference. Even though all the numbers suggest that Fangs was hired to stop Josh Allen and he doesn't know how to do that. Fangs was undone by injuries but now he goes to Philadelphia where they had linebacker problems because he wanted to be with his family. And I want to read you something because I believe we have a lot of people in the media who are covering football, who don't know the specifics of how to cover what some of these human beings specialize in. There are more than ever who do know how to do it. The coverage is smarter at the top end than it's ever been, but most of the people talking on television about why your football

team is good have no bleeping idea what they're talking about. They're just giving you general opinion of dolphins are going to win because I think so. So I want to read this from Chris Kaufman and ask you a question because Mike McDaniel has been ahead of the curve, but just got sabotaged by Andrews. I was told Fangio was going to rescue him because he's not a defensive guy and now fangio leaves to go bail out siriani who had to fire his coordinators because he was drowning it's the only place where the wheels fell off more than in miami

but he doesn't have to deal with josh allen over there he's got a division he can deal with because there are no quarterbacks who look like josh allen in that division and maybe he can win it being the defensive coordinator over there. But this is what I want to ask you about Mike McDaniel, because it's not something I've considered. And it's from Chris Kaufman and it's a segment I like to call reading because it's been a

minute whenever I read one of these long ones, you guys get bored and I lose everybody. Long one here? Longish. Certainly long for a tweet. All right. I'll try to stay with you. When Mike McDaniel got to Miami According to himself in a long revealing interview. He did with Mike Silver last year

He started off by arguing against the personnel department about their desire to spend a lot of resources on an overhaul of the offensive line unit He said you're wrong He said the first thing they needed to do was surround to with playmakers and he proceeded to show everybody in the building a 25-minute video to explain why. Two years later, he called one of the top offenses in the NFL in successive years, and so he feels vindicated about that. Conversely, two years later, the team can't score in December or January and have still not won the first playoff game since the Clinton administration. One could argue the success of his approach has been a fractal of the

success of the entire team, as well as the individual parts of the team, e.g. quarterback, which is to say good, but not good enough. The good news is they still have the playmakers. They're here. Tyreek is here, Jalen is here, Devon Achan is here, Mostert is here. We even feel pretty good about Jeff Wilson and Chris Book. Brooks moving forward. They may still need a tight end that can actually function in both phases of McDaniel's system, helping with the third down offense in particular, but they're pretty close to ideal on playmakers. So circle back and fill out that goddamn offensive line now, please. It needs to be a multiplier on the options in your week of game planning, not a divider. How many people in the coverage of the dolphins have actually been talking about, hey, Mike McAnu's, you might have the

ego and reward of everyone saying you're the smartest guy because look at your scheming. You think you can make offensive linemen. You guys can run the ball better than anyone expected with whoever it is you put there, but in December and January when you really need to run it, you can't because your offensive linemen aren't what Philadelphia's have been or what green bays have been or what tampas have been when they're climbing. So you're saying the offensive line is important. And as fans, we don't pay attention to the offensive line because all we do is pay attention to the quarterbacks, the wide receivers, the

flashy plays and the flashy players and you're right. I'm not actually saying just the offensive line is important. I'm saying that the coach of the Miami Dolphins who I believe in has every reason to believe that he's the reason for that success. And if he comes in and argues with personnel on offensive line, he's got to be willing to change some things philosophically about what he's doing because everybody's been praising him for two years with good reason and his offensive line needs to continue to get better and it needs to do so with resources. It's not being presented in a good faith though because he didn't say,

I don't want to fix the offensive line. He said there are more pressing issues, pressing issues that they address along that defense and the defense was undone by injury. They got Jalen Ramsey. He started the season hurt. They locked in Bradley Chubb. He got hurt. His backup's backup got hurt. He decided, look, I can make an offensive line,

and you yourself just admitted that they ran the ball pretty well. Their offensive line was a good enough unit to win. What undid the season? Was he injuries on the defensive side of the ball? And I think Mike McDaniel was actually right to prioritize that side of the ball. And I think Mike McDaniel was actually right to prioritize that side of the ball. Agreed, but when they got Tyreek Hill,

it was said that it's a piece away and they just wasted the great Tyreek Hill year because injuries got more years in. They were a piece away if they were healthy, but they got several of those pieces on defense got hurt. I understand the point and it's astute, but it also ignores the reality of the NFL salary cap. They gave up 56 points to Baltimore, to Mike's point. Like I understand

the offense wasn't great down the stretch and not in the playoffs, but the defense and all those injuries is where that team fell apart. Stugatz, you will get zero disagreement from me on that. But I was saying at the last month of the season and all Mike said back to me is Buffalo's injured too. The results are what matter. You are what your results are, and they don't win playoff games with McDaniel either. And so then that's where the pressure rises.

That's where Sirianni has to fire his coaches. Like, it will rise next year on him, even if the whole team gets hurt again. He could be the smartest dude in the league and be just undone by injuries, and people won't care that it's undone by injuries. They'll say just you failed. Don't care about the nuance. Tyree kill was a piece away. That's what I was told. That's the final piece. Him and fangs. That's how you beat Josh Allen right until the last game of the season when he comes into the stadium and

he beats you because you can't stop him. then the defensive coordinator leaves and now what? I don't think Tyree Kale came in as a missing piece because Mike McDaniel was an unproven commodity as a head coach. All right so Chubb is the missing piece. Yeah Chubb and Ramsey became the missing pieces and they dealt with lengthy injuries. They played four last year that was championship or bust and at the end it's giant bust. And they're gonna probably have to part with some pieces that we all thought were missing pieces because as you look at the reality Of to his upcoming contract I think the NFL has kind of shown us that teams typically don't let those guys go not good enough for an elite contract But that's the way that the NFL moves at that position too good to let go for nothing

But don't you guys think he will eventually address the offensive line? He knows he has to, he knows it's important. If there's one thing that I believe in a Shanahan offense is they get productivity out of that offensive line. Forgive me, I feel like perhaps I'm not explaining the part of this point that I find most interesting because you're saying, don't you think he knows that?

I'm saying, maybe. because if you come from Shanahan and you believe you can make offensive linemen out of anybody and their offensive line was good this year when they were healthy, but do you trust them to be healthy? Given that every, we're talking about every week for three years now, we don't know if their left tackle is gonna play. The team, when Mike McDaniel arrived to it,

needed a total revamp That I mean they weren't to the Tyree Kale original point not being a piece away Like we had no idea what that offense can do and this is year three in his program And I imagine with draft capital that they'll address some of these needs But Mike is right They were several pieces away when he got here and he filled in a lot of those pieces. But they still haven't won a playoff. Yeah.

And he's still figuring out, look, he's entering year three and he's about to have his third different defensive coordinator. They also last year went into the playoffs against the Buffalo Bills with their third, third string quarterback. Like that, the fact that it was even as close as it was, was I think a testament to what they were able to build because they lost by what? It was like a one score game. I think at the end it was close the entire time. And this year they had the Kansas city in horrific weather that they're not prepared to play in. Absolutely agreed on all counts. But every

time I mentioned injuries to you guys, the Buffalo bills just lost a football game that's going to get Josh Allen mocked all weekend. And one of the reasons it happened is because their defense is really injured and it doesn't meant no one remembers that when you fire McDermott. That's not what people talk about. Right. I think Kaufman laid out a fair criticism. Here's what I think is an even more fair criticism because it's my idea is he hasn't settled his staff on the defensive side of the ball. He came in as an offensive mind and he trusted the incumbent his first year. That didn't work out. Vic Fangio, I think on the surface, felt like a weird fit.

And that was a year two head coach taking a chance. Let me just give this entire side over to a legacy coordinator that's been in this league forever, even though stylistically, ideologically, it wasn't a fit hell. Javon Holland seemed pretty excited because he struggled to connect with his defensive coordinator. Here is video from his IG, it's still up at the moment of him literally kicking rocks, moments after the news was reported that Vic Fangio and the Dolphins reporting way.

What did that mean? Like is he telling Vic Fangio to kick rocks? Is he telling the Dolphins to kick rocks? Let's analyze this because I don't know what it means but I am here for athletes artistically choosing to, it's in the eye of the beholder whether this is a controversy or not. He has come out of his, I'm going to assume it's his home and he's going to, uh, sort of the curb. Is that cobblestone? That's the end of the driveway towards the street. Is the driveway cobblestone is whatever that is. It's a nice driveway.

He's got rocks. Your standard granite Lucy. Can you? That's not granite. Roy, you're the, uh, those are pavers. Different size pavers. I don't think those are pavers. What are those? Roy is definitely stoned in. No, those are pavers. I don't think those are pavers. What are those Roy? It's definitely stoned in. Now those are pavers. Regardless, he's got rocks from what I'm assuming is his rock garden. He takes three of them and then kicks them with his right foot.

Now I ask you Billy, Lucy. It's a miracle he didn't get hurt. Lucy, the way this dolphin sees them went. Lucy, what does it mean? That kick rocks, first of all, I have not expected anyone who was born at the time that Javon Holland was born to even know what that phrase means.

That phrase is coming back, let me tell ya. I love to tell people to go kick rocks. I like the idea of him, like, I don't know if he's married or not, but like looking at his wife and being like, honey, I have an idea. I would just watch this and then walking out, picking up the rocks, being like, yeah, these are the right ones, and then filming the whole thing, that's awesome.

Lucy, do me the favor, please, and find me the origins of why people kick rocks, why people are told to go kick rocks. And I'd also like the group to come up with another phrase that's older than that for some form of go bleep yourself. Pound sand. Yeah, pound sand.

Yeah, pound sand. Either way you look at it, it is fangy in my willpower. Pound Sands. Yeah. Pound Sands. Yeah, Pound Sands. Either way you look at it, it is fangirling. In my wheelhouse. Lucy's never heard Pound Sands. Really? Fly a kite, I mean. Never heard that.

Oh, how's it going? Jibon Holland should keep this going. Yes, for sure. He's here to have another IG story of him pounding sand. Is anyone worried? Another IG story of him flying a kite. Are you worried about what's gonna happen with those rocks? Cause like a car can kick that up,

that breaks a windshield that hits a little kid that's playing outside, riding their bike. Like you should just throw a lawnmower, well a lawnmower would be weird in the middle of the street, but to your larger point, I mean you shouldn't just be throwing rocks willy nilly. You know what I mean? Another IG story idea, go f*** yourself.

I mean, come on man, that's uncaught boys. Well that would make some news. That's not, I mean, how do you have him doing that exactly? I mean it's tricky That's less less subtle than what we're taught less been done. I'm less less Less artful than what we're talking about, but is it older is it? I don't know I'm asking Mike doesn't Mike doesn't five times a day No, no wait, that's I don't think I don't. No, no, wait, that's, I don't think,

I don't think masturbating is bleeping yourself, is it? I don't wanna answer this question. I, yeah. It'd be a definition. I found the definition or the origin of kick rocks if we want that. Kick rocks comes from the times of the Great Depression when impoverished children would kick rocks

around a past time. It doesn't explain what it is that it means though. Would you like to put it to a full? What that means? I think we know what it means. Kick rocks. Yeah, but why? So impoverished children are being told to... So I think it means like kids when they needed something to do would just walk down the street and kick rocks. So it's like, go kick rocks.

It's like take a hike buddy you know Don lebatard kensley jansen i gotta be careful uh here what i just do there let me start again stu gots he's the closer comes in ninth inning closes the game out his name is This is the Darn Libbatar Show with the Stugats! Presented by DraftKings Fantasy Sports, check out what DraftKings has to offer this season with code DIN because life's more fun when you're in on the action. DraftKings, the crown is yours. Gambling problem, call 1-800 Gamble, H&L's ability restriction supply, FOIVER prohibit it, see draftkings.com for details. All right, so let's put these all up on the pole.

Older phrase. Pick rocks, go fly a kite. What was the other one? Pound sand? Pound sand, go f*** yourself. No, not that one. It's a road jack. Yeah, is he gonna have a video of him hitting the bricks? Again, I will ask the question that Lucy was asking, which is, what does Javon Hollen mean?

Is he telling Vic Fangio to kick rocks or is he telling the dolphins to kick rocks because they weren't good enough to keep, the organization wasn't good enough to keep Fangio around? Let's not ignore that he is the person that's kicking rocks here. Maybe this is his goodbye. Hmm. I don't want to lose him. He's great. Oh, those ones that I heard that I found very weird.

I think it was lethal weapon. Those suck an egg. Really? Yeah. I found that. Why, why are we doing that? Lucy, have you heard any of these other than kick rocks? No, just kick rocks. But why have you heard that? these other than kick rocks? No, just kick

rocks. But why have you heard that? It's just it's made a resurgence. People hit you with that on social media. Kick rocks, touch grass, those are two popular ones right now. Stugat, I will get back to football over the course of today's show, but as soon as Mike Ryan, I'm gonna call this the Josh Allen conundrum because over the years I don't think I've been more wrong on any one athlete than Josh Allen because every time I say he's good, he's bad, and every time I say he's bad, he's good,

and I've been wrong 40 times on Josh Allen. Mike Ryan, as soon, and he's been untethered for years now of bloated Miami heat ego. He tells tweet, he Twitter, I raised you. I've been here since the beginning and he flies all over the spectrum emotionally on his assessments of this team which are informed but biased. And every time that he says they're good lately, they're not. And every time he says they're bad, they make him look like an asshole. And last night's loss was three games over 500 makes you look like an asshole.

But no, but you said, you said four, four games ago that they were good. And last night was the worst loss of the season. I mean, well, what changed? I mean, since you said they were good, they've lost more straight. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Since I said that, that I think they're better than a play in team. They, they have been winless. Yeah. So maybe I should have reserved judgment for just maybe one more game. Yeah. I got that one wrong. I apologize. You've got it wrong though.

This team is this, right? They're super inconsistent. You'd almost rather them not be healthy. Weirdest team in the NBA. What you need to do is say they suck. Mike, just keep saying they're bad. They're lousy. Yes, they go on one street. I was saying that last night watching that. Okay. But this is after Terry. Terry Rosier really reigned with that fresh start. I gave them minus 17 and 20 minutes. Terry Roseau really reigned with that fresh start I gave him. Minus 17 and 20 minutes. And that's going to take a minute. Amin and Charlotte will be here at the end of the hour to discuss some of this with us in detail.

Stick it where the sun don't shine. Take a long walk on a short pier. How about that? Lucy hasn't heard any of those. No, I heard the one Billy just said. I can't remember it. Stick it where the sun don't shine. Yeah, I've heard that.

I don't know what Stu's talking about. Isn't there now a, what was that thing that made a, that fad, what was it called, where you stick your ass up in the air and tan your ass that- That was a presidential advice for COVID. That is not the phrase I'm looking for. No, that's what- No, there's a phrase involved with- COVID prevention steps. Remember the scarf lady? That is not the phrase I'm looking for. No, that's what. No, there's a phrase involved with the...

COVID prevention steps. Remember the scarf lady? There was a popular time where people were sticking their ass up in the air and allowing... Sunning. No, there's a phrase for it anyway. Yeah, pernium tanning is something. Thank you.

It's close to that. Perninium, something like that. And then Trump told us to bleach our assholes. Yeah. Yeah, exactly What I was saying was when you look at the four losses of the Miami heat in a row And I asked the audience to consider this just coming off of the conversations to guts that we were having about Clearly Mike McDaniel knows more about what he's doing than anyone listening to this and talking about it. And Vic Fangio knows more about what he does for a living

than anyone listening to this or talking about it. I'm sorry, why did you bring up the tanning your butt hole? Thank you. Because that's where the sun don't shine. That's where the sun don't shine. The sun don't shine in your ass. Well, exactly. No, it's not a set of can and it should.

Which part of you are you not understanding, Lucy? I don't feel like we needed that explanation, you know? Well, but Lucy, the phrase, contextually, I think it was. You had heard, you knew what stick it, where the sun don't shine, you knew where that was, correct? Yes, I knew that.

And so the reason it triggered my thought of people tanning their ass with their legs up in the air, you can see why it is it would trigger that thought. He's a serial truth teller, he's just challenging you. Which part of this, you're not understanding. This feels like an intrusive thought that shouldn't have come out, you know? That happens all the time with me.

I know. Back to back weird setups for Lucy's appearances on the mic. Yeah, this is odd. This is weird times. I want to Back to back weird setups for Lucy's appearances on the mic. Yeah, this is odd. This is weird times. I want to go back though and ask the group this question at the risk of going too serious into sports as it regards the emotional assessment of the Miami Heat. We're talking about tanning puddles.

We're not getting too serious into sports, I don't think. What are you whispering in Stugatz's ear? I told him that. I didn't want to break. He just giggle and then he was leaning back and then we missed the and we missed the way he knows me better than you do, Billy. Yes. Less interested in anarchy. I'm trying to get to the point. Yes. Thank you. Yes. And he is, he is, you are giggling in the background. Let me do this thing through Stugatz that enrages Dan and Stugatz knows and you've lived there for 20 years, Billy. How have you not learned this about me yet?

I'm trying to get to a point about Mike's Miami Heat assessment. If you will grant me that Fangio and Mike McDaniel know more about this than us, will you then grant me that Eric Spolstra and Pat Riley, when they're willing to only trade Tyler Hero and only Tyler hero for Damia Lellard. And you now see with Tyler hero, they're 31 and 31. When the core plays, they don't like playing players who aren't good at defense. He's not good at defense. They just got Terry Rose here to be more efficient at what Tyler hero does than Tyler heroes

been. Do you not realize that these people who run this organization who know what they're doing seem to understand that Tyler hero as a third piece needs some help because they've got a sample size that's large enough now that to make their team better and allow it to age after Jimmy Butler, they need to get better places while staying under the owner's luxury tax because the owner runs it like a business. Mike wants him to spend all the money on get everybody, but they don't want to be paying Damien Lillard at 36 years old, $60 million. They don't want to pay full stop. The move for Rosier also got them under the luxury

tax threshold. And I do agree that they've realized that they need something better out of that three spot, which is why they pursued Donovan Mitchell. They pursued Bradley Beal. They pursued Damien Lillard. They failed at all of them. They pursued Kevin Durant. They failed at Kevin Durant like a record four times. They've addressed the concerns in that they attempted to acquire people and they failed. And we've gone from Kevin Durant, Donovan Mitchell, Bradley Beale, Damien Lillard to Terry Rosear. Dan, we acknowledge, we know, of course, they know their needs. They know what the team needs. They're experts.

They're spending all their time pouring over all this information. We understand that. We're still allowed to question them. Oh, but Stugatz, I'm not even disputing that. I'm just saying that when the people who are doing the questioning are less informed than the people being questioned by large leaps and bounds, and I can always take injuries and just destroy your entire blueprint.

Like whatever genius you have, I can wreck it with load management, or Jimmy Butler doesn't wanna play today. Quite honestly, I think I'm sitting on a 20 at the blackjack table though. When I say they need to get better and the names that we're discussing are Donovan Mitchell and Kevin Durant and Bradley Beale and they pursue them, they fail and you end up with Terry Rose here. I sit, I still think they need to get better. Do you understand that that can be the analysis for every sports radio show in history about talking about their team is they just need

To get better figure it out through injuries through firing just they just need to get better That's all we're saying the fan base is always saying just that my issue my issue with the Miami Heat is that they used to be Really good at getting better and they've been striking out plenty. This is not new I at a certain point like this becomes a reality striking out like they got Jimmy Butler and they got better they got to the finals yeah but there's one thing holding them back every time they get to the finals their players that are on the other side that are better be better than LeBron yes just a little better better than it's championship culture, not Eastwood Conference. That's championship or false. Eastwood facts.

Yes. You know what? I'm going to wander around the earth and I'm going to go to every human being that lives on it and I'm going to say to them, be better than Yokech. I'm finding only a bead. And maybe. Like, I'm scouring the earth. So get there.

On certain nights. And you found them, Just bring them over. I'm scouring the earth for be better than Yelkic. And I'm finding no human beings, zero. And you lost to that in the finals. You're asking me to cave on an argument and the argument is Terry Rose here. It's a hard sell. No, I'm not asking you to cave.

Go bleach your asshole. Don Lebatard. Oh, I think Larry Fitzgerald's on the green right there. Stugats. That's Alfonso Ribeiro. How do you think that Larry Fitzgerald's a son? The son. The son.

Oh, the son. To be fair, to be fair. All right, what I mean. Alfonso Ribeiro has a great ass. This is the Don Lebatard show with the Stugats. That was a great ass. This is the Don Lebatar Show with the Stugots. The amount of shame I am presently feeling. You should.

I know, like Stugots. Stugots has been standing over me, okay? Laughing. The way that Grant Williams tried to stand over Kevin Durant last night and then Yerkech came over and there was a shoving match. Are the Suns your new Tampa Bay Rays? Throughout the break, throughout the break, Stugatz was screaming at me and he's right.

Like I'm just ashamed at this point. I mean, you had every possible way to end that last segment, pound sand, go kick rocks, stick it where the sun doesn't shine. And you went with bleach your asshole. I'm getting worse at this. I had the dismount. You guys gave me 17 options on the dismount. We spent a segment on it. There were so many.

And I was going to say, go bleep yourself. But then it came out as go bleach your asshole. And that doesn't make any sense. No one's ever said it That doesn't make any sense as Just created something new Dan. Yeah, but it didn't feel wrong when he said it to me Well, but think of all that which one would have been the best one. I had the dismount you gave me a dozen options Mm-hmm. I think you're overthinking it. Go bleach your asshole. Was that a direct order? Is that a good at death punishment? I don't... You weren't thinking of all the choices he had that we just discussed. He went with bleach your asshole? Yeah, I got the urethra. I'm sure it works down there.

Let's do that as one of the punishments. Roy, you have been laughing throughout the entirety of the segment. Are you okay? No, I'm not okay. This will ruin me for the entirety of the segment. Are you okay? No, I'm not okay. This will ruin me for the rest of the show. I just told the audience to bleach its asshole. Why did I do that? I thought you were asking Roy if he was okay because he was laughing. I want to make sure Dan has gotten over this properly. It could have been worse. You could have been president of the United States telling a whole bunch of people to bleach their asshole. Make like a tree and leave.

Oh, hey. Did Fons used to tell people to sit on it? Yes. That's risky. That's really risky now. Right? Like in the 1970s. What were they sitting on back then?

The toilet? No. No? Was it like, was it a double entendre back then? I think it was, yeah, I believe. Oh, that's. I believe sit on it, Yeah.

was something being stuck up your, up your butt, not sitting on something. With happy days, I always think happy days because it was a period piece. I always think happy days was in an era that it wasn't actually in. So they could have actually been more risque. I think sit on it has, it's not just a toilet seat, I think sit on it meant that the audience was understanding

that it meant something was being inserted. Didn't he tell Mrs. C to sit on it and that's like where the line was crossed and then Fonzie stopped telling people to sit on it? I don't think anyone ever told him. I think Fonzie told Mickey C to sit on it and then he realized I crossed the line and then I went on and made Despacito and then missed that.

She wanted to kick him out of the house. Yeah. Is that what happened? I do hope that Javon Holland listens to this segment and starts putting up these IG stories because I keep refreshing hoping that he's putting something up his nose with a rubber hose. Let's do this.

Kugler, please reach out to Javon Holland's people. He's been on God bless football. You should listen to God bless football this week because on top, Kugler, please reach out to Javan Hollins people. He's been on God Bless Football. You should listen to God Bless Football this week because on top of Austin Eckler, you've got, if you go into the archives of God Bless Football, you will find Billy trying to wash dishes with Peter King. That's stupidity, but it's all the same.

Forgive me. And what was happening on God Bless Football? Because you had video and audio I wanted to go to there. Well, so we had two things come out today. We had a God bless football come out today. We have a God bless football coming out tomorrow. God bless football that came out today. Cam Newton is gonna help me pick out my outfit

and accessorize for my daddy daughter dance that I have tomorrow. And we hit it off. And Cam was very helpful in what I should wear and how I should accessorize it. Then on Sepadity they came out and a God bless football I think is gonna be on TV. Peter King was there and last time he was on we bonded over a shared love for washing dishes. So we said you know what let's wash dishes

together and then I was the only one washing dishes. Peter I want to ask you about the scene. Bill you're doing a great job with the dishes. Thank you. Peter if you have any comments at any point during- No, I like him. He doesn't sluff it off. He's got very good. And I like the fact that he cleans the back of the dish. Yes.

Because, you know, you don't eat off the back of the dish, but that doesn't mean that you're not going to pick up the dish. And maybe there's a little piece of fish or some piece of crap there on the back of the dish. And it's objectionable if you touch something or it's oily or something like that. So yes, you've got to clean both sides of the dish. Well, and then I'll stack the dish on a clean dish. So if it's dirty, then it'll dirty the clean dish.

So I can't believe we're doing this with Peter King. Who's very busy. It's a very busy time for him. I'm not busy. I can't believe we're doing this with Peter King. Who's very busy. It's a very busy time for him. I'm not busy. I don't do anything. Stugans, I'm a little frustrated with God bless football because I was promised a seance with Don Chula. We have not yet gotten.

We're working on that. We're working on that. I asked the witch, she said she was considering it. Right, she's a friendly witch. I can't strong arm a witch. You can get other people to conduct seances. Like you, there there's not this is our way. We are loyal to Roslyn She's a friendly witch. She joins us during all the holidays Valentine's Day Halloween Christmas. I mean I'm frustrated Because God bless football has not yet delivered a promised seance

And I am frustrated because I was promised that Peter King was going to be washing dishes with you Why was he not washing dishes with you? Well, we weren't in the same place And I thought he was gonna be at his sink and then he was not at his sink We all expected Peter when he came on the zoom to be doing what Billy was doing Which is standing in front of a sink ready to clean dishes playoff dishes. We teased it. We talked about it He laughed he loved the idea when Peter appeared on the zoom, he was not in front of his sink. I mean, what do you want me to do? Tell a hall of famer, get in front of the sink.

Well, I just don't, I mean, I forgive me. You promised me that both of you were going to be washing dishes. And so I don't know how to produce Peter King. I'm not, I don't, I'm not familiar with how it is. One produces Peter King, but somebody needs to help Peter King get produced there. He did give good analysis on the. Well, he gave it. He gave better analysis.

This is a sports illustrated luncheon, right? So let's get this guy talking about the desecration of the brand of sports illustrated on God bless football. The bottom line in this is there isn't a sports illustrated now. There's not, it doesn't exist. If you are going to look back 50 years from now at the Kansas City Buffalo game and you want to read something about that game, what are you going to read where you get where you know there's I'm sure that maybe you could find some some old internet clip from some site but there isn't like a body of evidence like the si vault to be doing this stuff anymore and that is the saddest thing of all. We are losing the ability,

as one person said, who wrote to me this week, where's the next Frank DeFord? And are we ever going to be able to have one place for great writing? I'm just sad because there are so many people who, you know, there's 3.1 million homes that that went into when I was working there. And there was no bigger thrill than opening the mailbox on Thursday and me opening the box thinking, man, I got

to see how my cover looks this week. It's just just it's euphoric. It's just a high of highs. And look, that's a selfish thing, but I'm thinking for America. You're really going to miss what was the magazine of record and the best sports magazine of all time. Peter King, I salute you at the end there the last 30 seconds for being poetic and eloquent, eloquent and emotional. But the first 30 seconds were shit. Just total shit. Where do I go read about the Kansas City Buffalo game? Thanks for the cell.

Gees. That analysis is not as great as the Washington dishes there. Mike was laughing. Mike was like Peter King. We brought in his article. We brought in fully places to read on the internet. I mean, Sue got to still building out top fives from bleacher report slideshows from 2008. The internet is forever. Pete don't reveal my story. He needed to gather steam and he got good at the end of it, but he really limped in with his defense of a dead brand. In fairness, Peter did tell us that he takes a nap every day, and that interview was conducted right around nap time, so it's possible.

Maybe why the producer couldn't get him to dishes. I do agree with one point, and I would like to know where the next Frank DeFord is. Well, our Frank DeFord, please go into our library right now. Do you remember, Stagatz? It's been 15 years since we talked to the fake Frank DeFord, and for those of you, Lucy, do you have any idea who we're talking about here?

No. All right, so let me explain this to you. Do you know who Peter King is? Yes. Okay, good. But only from television, right? No, it's as a writer. Okay, so Frank DeFord was the original sort

of regal sports writer who wrote really intellectual, elegant shit and carried himself like PBS. Like he was a gentleman scholar. He would wear a suit, and he would write these ornate things, and we would make fun of him with the fake Frank DeFord, because he was a little pompous and self-serious, and great at writing,

indisputably great at writing, but he looked a little bit ridiculous, and he talked a little bit ridiculous, and he had a little bit ridiculous and he had a ridiculous mustache. It's that time of year again. Oh, I'm not talking about my annual nude run through the Arizona desert. Watch out for those cacti.

Of course I'm talking about baseballs, spring training. When the crack of the bat brings me back to a simpler time, when a man could wear a fedora, a wide purple lapel and pencil-thin mustache, without people thinking he's on his way to a gone-with-the-win costume party. Yes, this time of year, hope springs eternal. You dust off that old leathery mitt with a great must-be-smell and toss the hardball around, reliving the great moment from the past. Suddenly you're back at Yankee Stadium, or Ebich Field, and running like Jackie Robinson. What was that first word there?

Roy, I meant to get to you ten minutes ago, because I wanted more research on what it's called to have your ass in the air bleach. Look on that! Yes! to have your ass in the air bleach. Look on that. Yes, well, boy. Roy, speaking of how to produce either Peter King's dishes or this show, yes, if there's an asshole in the air being bleached and I need more information on why that was a fad,

yes, I would like for one of my producers to be looking this up for me. Panium Sunning, as what is called, Panium Sunning. Shailene Woodley did this, because I remember it was like a big deal. And I was like, girl, maybe some things we should just keep to ourselves.

Roy, I don't think you're reading that correctly. I don't think that's how that said. That is, I was like, Pneum. Perineum? Perineum Sunning. Okay, that's perineum. So, okay, so it's perineum Sunning, and why was it popular?

Still looking it up. Okay, he's getting to it. Yeah, it's a source of vitamin D. It is not. Yes, the sun? The sun is the sun. Yeah, vitamin D. Yeah, there you go.

The greatest source. I agree that it's a source of vitamin D. I'm not agree. I think you're gonna have to walk that one back. Sunny D. Yes, it's a source of vitamin D. What I'm disagreeing with is why we would need vitamin D there. That's what I'm disagreeing with.

Well, it's the quickest way to get it inside. You take it where you can get it. Go bleep your asshole. Bleach. Bleach.