The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Local Hour: Good To See You, Whipie

Episode Date: February 27, 2025

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Shadow show. Shadow show. Shadow show. Shadow show. Shadowing it. Shadowing it. Jessica, how many University of Miami games have you gone to with Mike Ryan?

I think two maybe. He didn't go to the last two, I don't know why. His basketball teams are so good this season, he just abandoned them. And what has it been like when you've been with him at those games? There's a reason I'm asking these questions. He wears a full Adidas Miami Hurricanes track suit.

He sorta like walks in with a swagger, he shakes everyone's hands in the club section. He's got great parking, great parking, great seats. I sat on the court side for the women's basketball game touching wood neck like three seats down from Brianna Stewart Now I'm curious is his hair slick back or push back Never back. I got the entradas not showing the world that yeah, I mean you should know better than I Real good, but the question the adidas jumpsuit thing is it Tony Spirano ish is it Bob Huggins ish? What is he going for like in terms of just throwing on gear that represents?

I'm Miami through and through and also I'm a dad Tony Soprano like I would say yeah, okay That's an easy mistake for me to make he's the old dolphins coach Jess I didn't know if you meant to say Soprano or you meant to say Soprano. Oddly it works for both, but I did mean to say Tony Soprano. Okay, well it's that one,

because he's a little Italian. The reason I bring it all up is because, I don't know if you guys know, is Mike has told you, and Mike's been publicly critical of their athletic director, so when you're in this company, it can be a little awkward, but while all of this is going on, where Mike is in a group of people

that have heard him say some things that can be critical of the University of Miami, he was stunned and surprised to get a hello from Zagacki. I got a text message about it. Well, because Jess has been with me, while I have to awkwardly shuffle past Josie, I see- Yeah, Mike's tickets, so you have to get from the club section to where his tickets are

behind the visitor bench. You have to go in between the row of the stat keepers and the TV and the radio people. And you got to kind of like, oh, excuse me, squeezing right past you there, between the row of the stat keepers and the TV and the radio people. And you got to kind of like, oh, excuse me, squeezing right past you there because it's a very narrow section. So you kind of bump everyone a little bit. And so Zagacki sits right there.

Every damn time. And Mike's walking through in his tracksuit and Mike's a big guy. Zagacki sees him coming and it's very awkward for Mike. But there's never interaction though. There's never, Mike knows, Mike has felt the ice off of him's he's pulled up next to Zagacki and a tailgate he's felt the ice off of Zagacki who will not talk to him but you got a hello this time I got a hey Mike or at least I'm 90% sure I heard a hey Mike I was so shell-shocked by it because I was in a room in which

there was some tensions in the room so he wasn't my focus for the first time. The awkward interaction that I was focusing on wasn't with Joe Z and he undercut it. He was right next to me and he said, hey Mike, I said hey back and that was that. You said hello. I said hello. No, I don't.

That was the extent of it, but advantage Joe Z because he totally disarmed me. And now you guys are gonna go get chicken spaghetti at Chickalini's together. That's not how you say that. I don't get the reference, but yeah, I think Josie, so I happen to know, Josie, not a fan of mine. How do you happen to know it?

When I happen to know something, Dan, as we have established, it's certifiable. Because it's my understanding that he's told people. This is why my interactions with him are uncomfortable and I understand it too. Roy, why do you have a giant smile on your face? There had to have been another mic around. This is the Don LeBattor Show with the StuGuts Podcast. Amin stopped us all dead in his tracks with a reference from I Think You Should Leave. And the thing that I think of about when I think of the show I Think You Should Leave is my brother's widow one time. I was telling her about that show

and that she should see it at a crowded place and that her and my brother would like it, but when she heard me say I think you should leave, she thought I was telling her in a loud place that I thought she should leave. And so I have an awkward moment with that show. In terms of sketch comedy, that's the best we've had recently in terms of a breakout sketch

comedy thing, correct? Because they've gotten other opportunities because of how popular I Think You Should Leave was. And I don't think it was a cult hit. There are so many things that you can choose from these days. The idea that that stood out and that a sketch show, what was the Showtime sketch show, Zoe? There was a Showtime sketch show,

Showtime didn't do this well with Desus and Mero, that disappeared. Well, that wasn't a sketch show. That was more of a late night talk show. Well, they started it as a, they were doing sketch stuff, which surprised me because it's hard to do sketch stuff and the expectation of funny changes, the dynamic on that sort of thing.

I didn't think they should be doing sketch stuff. There's a different sketch show that was very, very funny, very well done, but did not break through. It was Michael Che, he had a sketch show on Max. It was streaming only, never aired on HBO, it was streaming only. It was really well done, really funny, and especially because it was outside

of the environment of SNL, it was one of the things that made me say, holy crap, this as a construct is letting him down because he's incredibly funny and these sketches are really very well written. Most of them were hits and the show never really did well and made any noise. I don't know if that's a marketing thing

or what that was about but yes, you're right. Tim Robinson, I think he's about to have a moment. Jeremy, he's in a movie, right, that's coming out soon. Friends. Paul Rudd, right? Paul Rudd, it's like, it's kind of like I Love You Man. It's for the trailer, it feels like I Love You Man, but with Tim Robinson.

Well, Tim Robinson doing the maximum awkward thing. There's nobody really occupying that particular lane, and when you say having a moment, no, I mean, he is now a star, correct? Because funny. I don't think, I think we haven't quite hit that crest yet. I think we know, cause we're nerds, but like he's gonna have that moment where everybody's going

to know who Tim Robinson is in a way that right now, people don't. I think it is a little bit of a cult favorite, and we're just all part of the cult. I'm deeply, deeply sorry for not getting the reference in the shadow show. I feel really terrible about it. I think Detroiters, his other show with Sam Richardson,

one of the most underrated comedies of the last, I don't know, decade. It's so funny. I laugh at the episode where it's Mr. Duvet's birthday and the clown is there, it's the greatest television I've ever seen in my life. Who else is occupying right now this lane of just making things maximum awkward?

Because that takes a different kind of bravery and as comedians complain all the time these days about comedy being harder to do because of how sensitive we are, is there anyone else bravely occupying the lane of, I'm just gonna go and make, I'm gonna make you laugh by just making things so uncomfortably awkward and silly

that I'm gonna consistently get you with the awkwardness. Are you talking about Ziwei? Yes. Oh. Oh. Yeah, I called it, that's a fine. I called her Zoe. you with the awkwardness. Were you talking about Ziwei? Yes. Oh. Yeah, I called it, that's a fine. I called her Zoe. Yeah, Ziwei is what,

that show had some funny stuff in it. That show got canceled too soon, like a lot of them are these days. Yeah, she had really funny interviews that would go viral on that show. Also awkward though, she would do that on purpose. She was going purposely awkward. There's a lot more of that on TikTok, honestly,

with a lot of people who are purposefully making you feel uncomfortable, whether it's going and approaching people as a purposefully bad singer and asking them to sit through songs that you're singing or pretending to act as a certain type of protagonist in a movie, but in real life and just making people feel uncomfortable with what they're watching. But because it's all edited together and it's not live or in an but in real life and just making people feel uncomfortable with what they're watching, but because it's all edited together and it's not live or in an interview setting,

it allows for TikTok creators to do that a little more. Eric Andre is another person who does a great job of that. It's a great example. Lucy's in a Righteous Gemstone's coming out in two weeks. Can't wait. I still have, I have on my phone and I will just check in every once in a while with him in Righteous Gemstones,

doing an imaginary lasso during a congregation preaching he was doing, and pulling someone out of their physical seat, because of how well he does awkward almost everywhere that he appears. Speaking of awkward, the big story from the scouting combine, which had a whole bunch of NFL news yesterday. We did not get to all of it, but there was a ton

of NFL news. Big wheel. At Starbucks in Indianapolis, conflicting reports about Brady and Stafford meeting led to Jordan Schultz, an information insider from Fox. A friend of the show. Verbally accosting Ian Rapoport at a Starbucks in Indianapolis.

Do you know what the funniest thing about that story is right there? I do. And the sentence there. I do. Does anyone else know? No, well, yes, I do know, and I think people in our group know, because it did make me laugh out loud

when I got to the sixth paragraph of the story. I was not sure that this detail was true and I was surprised by it. Oh, it is absolutely true. Before I reveal it to the audience, do you guys know what's funny about that sentence? Everyone's nodding their head. Chris, do you know?

That they were in line and that they didn't order on the app and pick it up? He does the show very well. Yeah. Do you know that they were in line and that they didn't order on the app and pick it up? He does the show very well, yeah Jordan Schultz is the son of Howard Schultz the founder of Starbucks. Do you think that he's got to pay for Starbucks? Absolutely not my what that you don't think he's got a lifetime Starbucks. I didn't know that was his son. I just thought Schultz was a common last name. He does work hard, Jordan, so it's not surprising that he's found great success in this life.

No, that's incredible, isn't it? That he would be in a Starbucks and that they would get into a fight. There are a number of things about this that are funny. I also wanna just, want to review with you guys and get a formal definition for how it is that you define a costing, because I will tell you that Sal Palantoneo in New Orleans came up to me also

in a Starbucks, and it felt like an accosting to me, just because it was early and I didn't particularly want to talk to anybody, but I don't know what a costing, like what that means exactly. Like if I'm accusing you of a costing, what happened? They're just shouting at each other in a Starbucks? What is a costing? I would think it's I got Bob Costas.

Like I got, whatever that is, I got it. In a past tense? I got Costas. I was gonna say it's what you do to us in the morning show every single morning in our meeting. David. A costing can feel good. It can feel like camaraderie, I would say it's what you do to us in the morning show every single morning in our meeting. David, a casting can feel good. It can feel like camaraderie,

but to others it can feel like a casting. Which actually does fit Bob Costas. What was the context of what Sal Palantoneo did to you? Well, no, no, again, Sal Palantoneo just came up and said hello. I had not talked to him in a long time. Dan was like, oh! But he does not like you.

I didn't think he did. And I've said some things on the air that are funny about him. We've made some fun of him. We've also pointed out the teeth, which is something that we do to some of the people that he has, and Mike most specifically. But that stuff all gets attached to me when your teeth seem to be veneers or not real but he came up to

me and I didn't have any I haven't had much of a relationship with him and haven't talked to him a long time and and he just started talking to me about how long he had been at ESPN one of the longest tenured employees 33 years still doing it and it felt like an accosting but he was just being nice the most amazing thing about that story, it wasn't outside the Eagles Stadium. I thought Sal was fixed there. Oh dude, like in front of that team facility

that looks like it's in the Mushroom Kingdom. Does he sign off his IRL conversations with ESPN? Jeremy Schaaf does. He has been great for a long time for ESPN. How many people does ESPN have that have been there longer than Sal Palantoneo? It cannot, at this point, it cannot be. Hannah Storm, I feel like, has been there for a long time.

Linda Cohn? Linda Cohn. Linda Cohn's still doing it. Hannah Storm was at NBC and got to ESPN, I think, not long either before or after I got to ESPN. Sal Palin. Yeah. Really?

Maybe I just blended her pre-ESPN days with other ESPN days. Yeah, because you knew who she was. It was one of the rare, huge free agency gets for ESPN in terms of news anchors. Usually they're homegrown, right? Or they get them from local TV and they grow into this role.

Hannah Storm was a massive deal way before ESPN and then she ended up at ESPN, which was- Chris Berman's gotta be up there. Well, but I feel like he's more ambassador or he's got tenure, yeah, so- He still does the- What? The internet tells you-

Every Monday. Google says it is Linda Cohn, that she's been there since 92. Longest full time. Over 5,000 sports. But that's because they're not counting Berman, correct? Correct. Because Berman is now part-timer, ambassador.

No, he was definitely a man. No. Ha ha ha ha. Dickie V. Ha ha ha ha. Oh yeah, Dickie V is another one. That, Hannah Storm, has she had a total of 33 years? She wouldn't have had a total of 33 years at the network.

No, not at ESPN. Is the network anchor or the star anchor, is that dead? I'm not even talking about sports. I'm just talking about- I don't think so. People cared about the Lester Holt news. Lester Holt is what classifies as like what used to be Brian Jennings and Dan Rather and Tom Brokaw and...

Peter Jennings, not Brian Jennings. Sorry, thank you, Brian Williams. That's a fine. Another fine, damn it. Yeah, what are you doing? Is this like SNL isn't good anymore when it comes to anchors? No, I'm asking the question.

Look, obviously the nightly news isn't what it used to be. That goes without saying. Obviously there's no one credible source that you go to that is the Established standard for American news now that we've politicized it all but even beyond that when he said star free agent anchor I thought to myself is that even a thing anymore in sports like can that even exist like obviously Scott van Pelt is That thing but a star free agent anchor. Matt Lauer's a free agent. Ha ha ha ha. The wronged Matt Lauer, the terribly wronged victim

Matt Lauer according to Bane. Charlie Rose too. It's weird, I think that cable news evening hosts, because they're not really anchors, those are more opinion shows, they are more famous, more talked about than the network anchor, which used to be the destination.

Used to be the destination, now kind of what Dan would call a traffic cop, right? And inherently replaceable. Like Hannity is more famous than Lesser Holt. Yes, yes, absolutely for all the wrong reasons, but Lesser Holt is up there, I would say. David Muir, too. David Muir is another one, yeah.

Zaddy. Anderson Cooper. Anderson Cooper. We've cheapened it, though. And in sports, and in sports right now, there isn't somebody that would play the role of traditional anchor that would move to places, like, Toreko's the last one.

Van Pelt would be the one. But I'm saying he wouldn't or hasn't done it. Van Pelt would be somebody, but that's not a thing that's going to happen anymore is the idea of that dead, the star, I need to get that television person who's associated with just news giving, not opinion, not,

this is the political perspective of this person or attitude or charisma or personality. This is a news giver and I trust this person as a credible source, that's dead, right? Joy Reid, just kidding. I mean Rachel Maddow, right? She's a, she's an example. She's terrible.

Yeah, true. Second expand. I think it's a weirder conversation that Dan is trying to play, because I think for news, there are names, and there are places. But for sports, I'm with you. I don't know if there are any names out there who aren't already established at ESPN.

He is SVP, though. But he's at ESPN. Like, if ESPN wanted to do a Hannah Storm-like deal, we're going to go out and get a big name. Because SVP was on the golf network before. It's got toPN like who would ESP if ESPN wanted to do a Hannah storm like deal We're gonna go out and get a big name because SVP was on the golf network before it's gotta be like a bark It's gonna be a Barkley, but as an information person what I'm saying is the objective one someone who does Scott van Pelt Whatever his politics are I don't believe anybody would know them like he is there to give the information To host the show and he's got a personality But it's you will not see on Sports Center an assortment of strong

Personalities that are gonna are strong opinions that are gonna be polarizing like that's not something that you know That's not something that that's the the domain the people getting paid There are the Barclays the Stephen a Smith the people who have very strong polarizing opinion. Right, I'm gonna ask you to stop saying, we don't know what his politics are, because again, we're talking about sports anchors, and there are plenty of people who are opinionated who would not fit the mold that you're talking about,

that we don't know their politics either. I know what you're trying to say, I'm just saying, for the purpose of this conversation, it makes it a lot clearer if we're saying, hey, who's the person who's not an opinion person out there, so not a Barclay, not a Stephen A. Smith, whatever, who is a news person objective who can come over to ESPN as a big hire?

I don't know who that person is. Ernie Johnson? Noah Eagle. Okay, so Noah, yes. Ernie's actually a good one, I was gonna be in front. But Noah's a play-by-play guy, and Toreko even, who obviously started at ESPN as well, he's a play-by-play guy.

Ernie's a great one. Ernie would be the name, because Ernie hosts the studio show, and he plays it down the middle, and it's strictly the facts. Ernie would be the guy, and technically he'll be at ESPN next year. Ernie might be, I mean, I love Scott Van Pelt,

Ernie might be number one on this list. Oh, I mean. And just in terms of like, people would be like, oh that's a great hire. I mean, how many Emmys do you want to throw on the table? Right, like yeah, yeah, you think so? But you guys have seen the change in how it is we consume all of this stuff so that we go to people

we like, for example, maybe you check in with The View, and Whoopi Goldberg is somebody that you like to check in with because it's not news, it's a personality. And Diana Taurasi is appearing on her show after retiring. And then this is how it ends up going with Whoopi. And delighting fans of the Phoenix Mercury, Diana Taurasi is announced. Taurasi. Taurasi. Taurisi is announced. Terrasi.

Terrasi. Terrasi! Thanks. Terrasi! Why don't you do it? No, I don't wanna do it. No, no, no. Well, she announced yesterday.

Yeah. Do you wanna make it a secret? So go ahead. That she is retiring or hanging up her jersey and retiring and we get to see her now, so please give a warm welcome to Diana Torelli! Check back in with Whoopi though so that you could look at her face and she is seething the entire time. She's mortified, she cringes, she, look, just watch her face at how mortified she is the entire time. The Phoenix Mercury Diana Tiresi is announced.

Tarasi. Tarasi. Tarasi! Thanks. Oh, that thanks. Why don't you do it? No, I don't want to do it. No, no, no.

Well, she announced yesterday. Yeah. Why don't you do it? No, I don't want to do it. Well, she announced yesterday. Yeah. Do you want to make it a secret? So go ahead. She is retiring or hanging up her jersey and retiring and we get to see her now. So please give a warm welcome to Diana DeRosa. Oh, yes. Good to see you.

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It is trending towards Nick Sirianni, remaining the head coach of the Eagles. This is the Dunne-Levatar Show with the Stugats. Taurasi, man, like that, what we were talking about yesterday, that's exactly, that's a perfect capsaicin for a kind asshole, is that what you called her yesterday? I think that's what she calls herself. A castle. Confirmed by her friend. Casserole.

Casserole. I just love the, you hear Whoopi, like the little panic when she doesn't know the name pronunciation. I've been there before. I did it yesterday with oogling and ogling. Well, the difference is. Stop, just a little hiccup, because you're like, is it Tarassi, Teresi?

The difference is you weren't reading off a prompter. That's right. And she is. And if you're reading off, if you're writing the scripts on a prompter, they always tell you, who gives a shit how the name is actually spelled. Type it the way it's supposed to be pronounced.

So you go T-O-A-R-Encaps-A-S-S-Y. Panetically. Yes, you type it like that. And that way, even if she mispronounced it as Tor-assy, that's still closer than. Give me an A-H, then an S-E-E. There youonounced it as Tor-assy, that's still closer than three. Give me an A-H, then an S-E-E. There you go, yeah, Tor-assy, yeah. But yeah, I think, to Amin's point, it is perfect,

because it's like, you know, she's not trying to intentionally humiliate Whoopi Goldberg. She's just trying to poke fun at it, and she's not taking herself so seriously, where she's like, how dare you not know how to say my last name. Yes, exactly. I don't know if the rest of you remember

Gene Hackman being on this show transition, but Gene Hackman has passed away at the age of 95 and the last couple of times I had seen him he was being photographed by paparazzi and he was aging you know in a way that physically made him hard to recognize. He no longer looked like the person anymore that he used to be, because he was 95 years old. Some of the details, or he died, and his wife were found.

And dog. Dead, right. And they're not suspecting foul play, but that seems like a together pact, right? No, no, it could be carbon monoxide poisoning. If they don't suspect foul play, that's usually where the mind goes. But foul play is others.

I had assumed, and I don't know what happened here, obviously. The dog too? The dog put his hand in the pile? Like, yeah, all right, let's do this. Well, I think they probably make the decision for the dog if like, I just assume when they were, when they were found dead together, I thought that was a choice made by them I mean, that's that's where my mind meant initially, but that might be irresponsible of me regardless Because I don't think you know enough about carbon monoxide poisoning

Well, if it is carbon monoxide poisoning, then of course that would explain it But if it's not carbon monoxide, you got it living inside you pal He thought Nosferatu was a love story. So we I think we know she was lost one Can you play for me the sound of Gene Hackman? Seven o'clock in the morning is too early to watch the brain soakers Dracula. That's a love story and Nosferatu that dick wins Can you play anything that we have from Gene Hackman's appearance on our show? There's lots and lots of actors that I really admire.

Pacino, De Niro, Tom Hanks. Oh, I don't know, just the whole gaggle of guys. That's it? Yeah. Oh, you gotta laugh too. Very funny. Okay. I also have a two minute clip of you saying

you could whoop his ass and the show fighting you on it. I don't know if we wanna play that to celebrate him. Damn. You said that about Gene Hackman? I don't have the context for this, but we've gotta empty the file. I think he was in his 70s at this point. 88 he was at this point.

Yesterday we felt old around here when the I see dead people kid was a guest on our show and we learned he's 30. From the Sixth Sense movies. Like what, I've told you before, Gene Hackman and Clint Eastwood being 88 is totally disorienting to me. They're such a different kind of 88 too, right?

Like you guys don't think that I would lose a fight against Gene Hackman, but you do think I'd lose one to Clint Eastwood. Oh, he would crush you. I think you'd lose to Hackman too, I gotta be honest with you. Yeah. My Lord, I think lose one to Clint Eastwood. Oh, he would rush you. I think you lose to Hackman, too I gotta be honest with you It was quite the assumption by you Come on, even if you think my fighting skills are those of Paul Giamatti

I still got him put it on the pole who's winning a fight Gene Hackman or Paul Giamatti 88 year old Gene Hackman or 51 year old Paul Giamatti. I think Hackman's got him, yeah. That doesn't mean I can't fight. Now my fighting game has been, I haven't used it in about 19 years. I mean have you ever seen every which way but loose? Man, he would kick your tail. I mean if he brought the orangutan, if he brought the, or was that a chimp? I don't know whether it's an orangutan or a chimp.imp who just throw a handful of gluten in your eye and you'd be like

That's cheating I can't throw things at me Jean Hackman doesn't play fair no he does not come on guys Guys, what do you mean? I can't win a fight. You do not want to cross Jean Hackman Look at his face man. It's such an angry face. Seriously, he would take you out to the woodshed. What is that phrase? I don't know. It's certainly not a 2018 phrase. Is it a 1918 phrase?

Because I think it might be a 1918 phrase. I'm on it. Was wood not plentiful before that you had to store it in case someone else came and took all the wood? I don't think. No, the shed was made of wood. Yeah. No, I think that the shed held the wood.

Well, that's a good question. Now we're playing a game. Now we're cooking with gas. Cause you just say a shed. A wood shed stores wood. Why are we spanking people out at the wood shed? Why are we, are we hitting them with the wood? So as not to disrupt what's going on inside. I'm right manners

You got to go away from the action where everyone is when you want to take someone out to the wood shed when you want To discipline someone you can't do it in public. You got to go somewhere private to do it in the wood shed is private I'm with the confusion though. I'm with I don't know if it's a shed made of wood or a shed holding wood put it on the Pole Guillermo taking someone out to the wood shed. Is it a shed made of wood or is it a wood put it on the pole Guillermo taking someone out to the wood shed is it a shed made of wood or is it a shed where the wood is kept both several notes number one we didn't need the last 30 seconds we were doing a gene hackman clip the rest of the shed that's good show band classic show classic show number two gene hackman was in the marines i don't know if any of you guys do that then or now.

But he was 88! Number three. And in the Navy. And to Mike's point about. Krebs had died. Mike's point about throwing gluten in your eyes is that that's cheating, right? This is a Gene Hackman quote about acting

and being successful at acting. He said, it was more psychological warfare because I wasn't gonna let those efforts get me down. I insisted with myself I would continue to do whatever it took to get a job. It was like me against them and in some ways, unfortunately, I still feel that way. It's a narcotic in the way that you are trained

to do this work and nobody will let you do it so you're a little bit nuts. You lie to people, you cheat, you do whatever it takes to get an audition to get a job. Ladies and gentlemen, that is the words of someone who absolutely throw gluten in your eyes and then kick your ass. Doesn't play fair.

I remember from that interview him saying that he didn't watch any of his movies ever because he was so self-conscious about how he looked and was so self-conscious about his acting that he would not want to watch all the things that he had done wrong. Well, he missed some bangers. I mean, Crimson Tide is one of the greatest movies ever made.

I would have thought you went with the replacements. I looked at you, Mike, and said, Mike's a replacement. I'm not a replacements guy. No, I love the replacements. I love the cast, but I'm not a replacements guy. I think it's overrated. I agree. Roy, Superman?

Yes, he was a good Lex Luthor. Yeah, he wasn't bald. Can we talk about Roy in that clip saying he would kick your tail? Oh, I love that. We were at ESPN at the time. But why'd you go with tail and not butt? Tail's funnier.

Tail's funnier. Kick your tail. The private show that I got during that Woodshed clip was Ratatatat. In one ear I heard Chris Cody say, listen to Stugatz in his prime. And then the other ear, because he said he was so quick, and in the other ear Mike Ryan said of Stugatz,

how does your laugh lose a step? Put it on the poll at LeBotard Show, can a laugh lose a step? Yes or no. Mike Ryan mentioned Crimson Tide, what else do you have there from the, Gene Hackman, I mean, you could go back. What a run in his like 70s.

Yes, I mean, he had, that's a Hall of Fame acting career. He was in the Dirty Dozen, wasn't he? Wasn't Gene Hackman, Gene Hackman was in some of those action movies from the French Connection. French Connection he was in. Ronnie and Clyde. Birdcage. Birdcage is my favorite. Birdcage is an all-timer I think if you pull the audience.

I think he won the Academy Award for French Connection, right Amin? I think he has two Academy Award best actor wins. That one and Unforgiven was the other one. Clint Eastwood. Unforgiven was great. Heartbreakers. Later in his career he

lead into comedy in ways that were like he was in the Royal Tenant Bum. He was on Triple D's? He was great. I, when I became a Gene Hackman fan was when I was young and he was old and I, I hadn't known him for all like the great roles that he built his career on. I knew him as like a character actor later in life and he was knocking it out of the park. He willingly retired seemingly as his career was in life and he was knocking it out of the park He willingly retired

Seemingly as his career was still like he was probably at the end of his career making more money than he had ever had in His entire career per roll. He was in the firm with Tom Cruise and I'm not sure who the bigger star was at the time It was Tom Cruise Well, you love Tom Cruise people. I think people forget that Tom Cruise Do I have my history on this right? Tom Cruise is the biggest movie star ever. Okay, you've said this before, but do I have my... Also the smallest.

No, no he's not. They're many, many smaller. Who's taller, him or Stallone? Oh, Dustin Hoffman. I was stunned in Nosferatu how small Defoe is. Defoe is very tiny, but also... Mississippi Burning, Defoe and Hackman. Absolutelyoe is very tiny, but also. This is a bee-burning, Dafoe and Hachman. Absolutely, and someone said Dustin Hoffman.

Dustin Hoffman and Gene Hachman started acting together in a small playhouse in Pasadena, and they were both voted least likely to succeed. Everybody in their class hated them and thought they weren't any good. And so Hachman moves to New York in order to become an actor. And when he's in New York, him, Hoffman, and who's the third guy?

They were all roommates. Is it Robert Duvall? Yes. That's a loaded room right there. That's insane, right? Him, Robert Duvall, and Dustin Hoffman, as roommates, struggling actors trying to make it, being told by everybody, you suck suck go get a day job I

Have here a text from David Sampson on this so you're saying Timing wasn't great on that. I could have used that about 10 seconds ago. I saw you say bleep I saw you mouth bleep and then run to the computer. I get that on my body said Robert Duvall, he said it three times, I'm staring straight at you. I don't just have every sound at my disposal. This is what, yeah you do. Type some in. You literally are the one who has every sound

at his disposal. The text from David Sampson that informed me, pardon me? Speaking of small people. David Sampson sent me a text that informed me, pardon me? Speaking of small people. David Sampson sent me a text that informed me that Gene Hackman had died because he is the person, not surprisingly, like many of you are, who likes to be the one informing others. Taylor more than most, but yes.

That they had died, but the way that he did it was, was in the most S Samson way possible. Gene Hackman may have just gotten the final photo for Sunday's In Memoriam, because the Oscars are Sunday. Definitely did. He's gonna make the cut, huh? What a weird thing to think of. I thought about it too.

Did you? Bet his family's thinking about it. Definitely. If the timing's good this is good timing. It's not that he would be in the in memoriam. I'm just saying. It's that he would be like at the, like what position he would have.

Well I would assume he's at the end because the whole thing is already pre-produced. If he dies a week later, he's just middle of the pack in the memoriam next year. He might get forgotten. They've got enough time. Hey guys, I'm gonna say this right now. It's Wednesday, Thursday.

They've got enough time to come up with the little mini montage package for him. That's not just an inemorial. This dude is one of the great actors of all time. Two-time Oscar winner like Jessica pointed out. Better have him like singing We Are Family to himself awkwardly as he tries to make it through a drag club. Can you guys get for me the sound when you mentioned whether Gene Hackman was one of the greats? Yesterday on the show we were talking about Timothée Chalamet and his speech and I want to play this again was one of the greats uh... yesterday on the show we were talking about timothy chalamet and his speech and i want to play this again because one of the things that we didn't get into enough uh... jessica had said i think that there was a negative reaction to this

that uh... and and i found that part interesting because i know i'm used to in sports we want you to fake the humility right we want you to uh... give us give us, give us humility even if it's false instead of arrogance, even if it's the truth. And I'm used to it in sports. We want our athletes to be humble instead of too cocky, although we'll allow cocky if they win. But I was surprised to hear that this was met negatively when all he's telling you is I don't take this for granted.

I'm going to work really hard because listen to how much I care about being good at this. I know the classiest thing would be to downplay the effort that went into this role and how much this means to me, but the truth is this was five and a half years of my life. I poured everything I had into playing this incomparable artist, Mr. Bob Dylan, a true

American hero, and it was the honor of a lifetime playing him. It's an honor I share with Monica, Elle, Edward, the entire cast, who in a genre doing a biopic that could be perhaps tired. Everyone gave it their all. So I'm deeply grateful to them. And lastly, I can't downplay the significance of this award because it means the most to me. And I know we're in a subjective business.

But the truth is I'm really in pursuit of greatness. I know people don't usually talk like that, but I want to be one of the greats. I'm inspired by the greats. I'm inspired by the greats here tonight. I'm as inspired by Daniel Day-Lewis, Marlon Brando, and Viola Davis as I am by Michael Jordan and Michael Phelps,

and I wanna be up there. So I'm deeply grateful to that. This doesn't signify that, but it's a little more fuel, it's a little more ammo to keep going. Thank you so much. Do any of you have a theory for me on you want your artists to care, obviously, what is the objection given that all of us would like to be confident, right? What is the objection that we have as people to

somebody knowing they're good? What's the problem with it? I think the what it does is it reminds everyone who's not great how not great they are then there is a a general crabs in a bucket feeling that humans have but what he says though this is a person who has all of the acting options in the world when he simply says i poured five and a half years of my life into this like i'm good like whatever you say about what that experience was seems like you cared about it a hell of a lot more than I've cared about most things when you've poured,

you've got all the choices in the world and you decide to tackle the degree of difficulty on that. Bob Dylan, let me do this, cause this could be cheese, like this. If I do this poorly or if I do this a note off, this is a monster failure because the degree of difficulty on playing Bob Dylan when you're a young person

and Bob Dylan is sort're a young person and Bob Dylan is sort of mortified by the entirety of what this entire Hollywood existence is. I think it's a common trope that people want to root for the unassuming hero, right? Like it's in a lot of movies and stories. Yeah, I mean, Dune, that's the Paul Atreides character in Doom, he's like, oh, the unassuming hero,

Harry Potter, whatever, Frodo Baggins. Like, people find relatability and not wanting to show other, a person that you root for not wanting to show other people that they're trying really hard and they're working really hard for something because then it can come off as cocky. And I think that he's telling you right now,

like, he's okay with you knowing that he's working really, really hard at this and that he's actually doing it because he wants to be great. He's not someone who's like, aw shucks, like I don't know how this all happened. You know, whoopsies, I guess I'm really good at this. Yeah, I think the part that, I imagine the part

that people find objectionable isn't him saying I put five and a half years into this. I think that's the part where everyone's like, wow, that's cool. It's the part where he says, I know it's a subjective business and I wanna win everything. I'm inspired as inspired by these great actors

as I am by these great performers in objective fields where the measure of greatness is how many times did you win, right? That's the part that is a departure from where we see usual actors going. But to answer your question, why are people turned up? Like I said, it's a massive reminder of like, oh, this guy has a gift and he's going after it and me, I gotta go to my regular job and deal with my jerk boss who jumps on my neck every morning in

a shadow show and doesn't get the references that I make. I wonder if people think that the people who have gotten to the top of things did so easily. And I say this because when I'm reading Will Smith's book, I'm still surprised at how much he cared about working to the detriment of everything else, because that tends to be where climbing people end up arriving. But on this particular person that we're talking about, we all know he's good. Why is he not allowed to know it? Like we all know it. It's why he's one of the few people.

Do you realize how splintered this all is now? There are very few movie stars you're going to a movie to see now because of the choice that person has made. He's one of them. Am I weird for thinking that he is showing humility in that clip because he's very deeply honored by who he beat there. And then he's allowed to say what his goals

and aspirations are and how this is a mile marker on that way. True greatness doesn't shy away from opportunities to be great. If Timothee wants to prove how great he is, there's only one role that he should take to prove it. It's in development right now. He needs to be young Vincent Hanna and he too.

I said- I was with you until the last part. He needs to be young, he needs to be young Vincent Hannah and he too. I said. I was with you until the last part. He needs to be young Vincent Hannah because everyone knows how heavy Al Pacino played that role. You can't shy away from this now. You wanna see Timothee Chalamet as you call them. You can't do that. You can't pronounce his name.

That's how he pronounces it. Timothee. You shouldn't do it. He can do it. You shouldn't. I call him by his name. She's got a great ass! Hey folks, happy winter time.

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