The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Local Hour: Happy Halloween

Episode Date: October 31, 2024

Today's cast: Dan, Amin, Chris, Jeremy, Mike, Roy, and Tony. How is THIS show bad at Halloween? Of all the people that aren't dressed up, Dan is the one without a costume??? As we poorly celebrate Halloween, we dive into the Los Angeles Dodgers winning the World Series after an epic collapse by the New York Yankees in Game 5. Mike previews the spicy upcoming episode of the Oral History which covers Hoch leaving the show and tells us how he had to save the project. Plus, Tony has a victory lap that leads to the Top 5 of things he was reminded of while watching The Comeback. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Diageo America's Inc. New York, New York shadow show shadow show shadow show shadow show shadow show shadow show shadow show shadow in it I am NOT above the criticism. I'm about to levy but This is I believe a very tepid Halloween effort from our show I believe in sports television. We are doing Halloween less enthusiastically than everyone else in sports television Well when we do Halloween like almost every day like like the day kind of loses its luster. It's like Valentine's Day, you know,

some people make a big deal on Valentine's Day and then other people are like, every day is Valentine's Day for me. So that's kind of the approach we're taking. I have no idea what you are. We will unveil whatever you are on video in a moment. But as I'm looking at you, are you a windmill? Like, what are you?

It's very uncomfortable, but I would rather reveal on camera than describe. Oh, behave. Well, yes, you're the one that's most enthusiastically Halloween. Jeremy is, you know, he's wearing a mask and forearm fur. I'm a Jer-Wolf Dan It is such a small lane you're trying to occupy sports pun guy

Like no one else is doing it Dan. Oh, there's a reason for that. There's a reason No one has got to gotta find your knees that before I just found out our director thinks I'm Prince No, no, I thought he's Elton John stay tuned to see what I look like I Mean you just did a pretty good impersonation your father yesterday one of his best shows ever Did he live here floating on clouds because he brought props, he had three masks, he was so happy yesterday.

He was feeling himself so much that he sent Taylor to the game yesterday. He's like, I wanna wag a finger in these guys' face. We sent Taylor and then we quickly realized those guys were banned, so it's a funny egg to have on his forehead, my dad, of sending Taylor to find the two fans and then they're not there. Well, when he got on the plane,

the news was that they were going to be permitted into game five and then while he was in flight, the Yankees were like, oh yeah, we can't really be attacking Mookie Betts. That's probably not a good idea. Well, the Yankees weren't like that. MLB said, hey, we can't really be attacking Mookie Betts, that's probably not a good idea. Well, the Yankees weren't like that. MLB said, hey, you can't do this. And then the Yankees were like, fine,

and that's where it all fell apart because all the energy was in those two guys, Dan. I would say that the only World Series stat that the Yankees led in was attacking the wrists of Mookie Betts after and out. And errors. And errors. And base running mistakes, I suppose.

I guess the positive one, the one that we'll remember for, I don't know, 10 more minutes, is that day those fans did that thing. This is the Don LeBatt Show with the StuGuts Podcast. Today's episode is sponsored by DraftKings. Stay tuned because you'll hear more about DraftKings and all it has to offer throughout the show. DraftKings, the crown is yours. Our director Jason sounding more than a little defeated again, Chris.

That was part of it again No, it's thing that's scary at the end. It was a zombie hand taking off the screen then you weren't watching always got a fade down brother Chris I know you were busy getting into costume I just need you to stop making that particular mistake at the beginning of the show It was a dismount on the whole open What I was beginning to say is that Jason, our director, sounding really defeated, just said, I worked so hard to dress up this opening

for Halloween and then none of you dress up. That's Jason right there in the other room, dressed as a hot dog. Yeah, I saw Jason. It was really funny this morning. I was going to the bathroom and I saw Jason get out of the bathroom dressed as a hot dog and also left the toilet seat up.

Oh no. Jason, Jason man, what do you want? Bare bones crew in there, huh? I don't know what a means costume is. I don't know what he's doing. It reminds me, in college one year, not unlike today, I just sort of forgot it was Halloween and so I took a 12 pack of Miller Lite, I took the holder and I just put it over my head,

and I went out for Halloween as beer cans, and it wasn't a thought of costume, it makes me feel like what you're wearing right now. You're not getting candy by the way, if you come to my house, but that's just that box. Yeah, it was poor effort. I'll drink you. Well first of all, I'm so excited to be here man just to be sitting across from you

Wow be Dan Leventhal and all you guys really Chris Mike. Oh my god Mike's in the studio Jeremy Roy Tony everybody being here is so awesome guys I'm a fan oh Dear God Now I get it. What are you clapping about? That's good You're saying old Elton John over there old prince old bloated prince over there I'm actually a porn star just riding riding the wave of the week Are you guys not doing anything for Halloween because I legitimately forgot

I know that's a big upset around here People were very disappointed when I walked in and I wasn't wearing a costume. Are you guys doing anything this evening? I'll be trick-or-treating with my my daughter. We're not buying this by the way We think you've got something up your sleeve and that you're gonna like. No. You forgetting Halloween is just, something's up here. No, not only did I forget Halloween, because the days are running together on me a little bit, Kristen came to me at the very end

in a panicked emergency move, and she brought me, and I was very delighted that Metal Art Media evidently has a closet where these things exist, an emergency pop tart costume, but then I was told that Mike Golick on DraftKings had just been a Pop-Tart, and I, look, man, if I'm gonna have, I'm gonna either not do Halloween at all or do it with some pride.

I can't be wearing the same dress to a gala that Mike Golick is wearing. It was Gojo, Golick Jr., I don't know if there's a difference there, but yeah, you can't follow up. I'm one's a dad and one's a son. You can't, if either of them are wearing a there, but yeah, you can't one's a dad and one's a son you can't if either Them are wearing a pop tar you can't follow that on DK enemy. It's just like we we're right after them

Oh my god classic show self-rentra self-referential hijinks. I can't believe I'm part of this right now Amin doesn't have much use for all of Halloween's rules Amin is a bit of a rule breaker. I really hope you break character as that excited fan. I hope that's not what you're going to be the entirety of the show. I love this show, Dan. I watch every single day on YouTube, on DraftKings Network.

Oh my God, I just had a verbal gaffe. Am I one of the guys? Am I gonna have to go to the penalty box now? This is so cool. This is gonna get really old soon. Going to get? It's good so far. Going to get really old.

I was asking you a question, though. I was trying to do a show with one of my biggest fans. Okay, all right. So, okay, we're doing a show. Halloween rules. It's weird because, Chris, I don't know if your kid is going through this. My kids were told, hey, Halloween is Thursday, everybody dress up, but no masks and no inflatables

and no gore, and I said, so no costumes. But no Halloween. Right, I mean what Halloween costume is devoid of all those things? I mean other than that. Was this at school you're talking? At school, yes. I kind of get the no bloody,

but why can't I wear a mask? I? Don't know why can't I wear an inflatable? I heard about this I heard some parents complaining that their kids that's that masks were banned at school Is there something that I don't know about safety school shootings? Yeah, people can't just walk in with a mask and be like oh, yeah That's a kid and then it's not okay Alright, you know you feel me alright. You know, you feel me? All right, you know what? Happy Halloween everyone. You know what?

Like Jeremy walking into school right now, it's like, yeah, is he a kid? I don't know. He's a Jer-wolf. I was longing for the quaint day when we were just arguing over masks. And I didn't think it was gonna escalate that quickly to school shootings, but yes, of course.

Of course, that's the reason that you can't wear masks anymore because we've got guns in our schools. Also, as someone who has gone trick or treating a lot of times, the reality that, oh, the trick or treating happens the night of Halloween, no matter if it's a school night or not. Doesn't make sense.

Although grownups have their Halloween parties on the weekends, why can't the kids go trick or treating on the weekends? Why don't we leave Thursday sacred? Because it's kind of ridiculous that we had Halloween parties last weekend and we might have some Halloween parties this weekend, but the kids have to go on the 31st, like it's some honor.

You think it should be on weekends? Maybe the last Saturday of October, something like that? Yes, the last Saturday of October should be Halloween. Like Thanksgiving, you just keep moving it around so that it makes sure, look, and everyone's in agreement. This is a controversial take. Put it on the poll at LeBretard Show, should Halloween always be on a Friday?

Because you are now rejecting it as a weekday holiday. You don't mind putting it on November 2nd. You don't care about that. Well, it'll be November 1st. Or October 25th or whatever that was last. I was just doing a random November 2nd in the future that's not October 31st, which I think of as Halloween. I wasn't thinking of the exact date this year.

I'm just saying that you don't care at all. You don't want any, all you want is to be able to drink and not have to wake up for work in the morning That's what you're rooting for No I don't want my kids have to go out trick-or-treating and then be told you can't have any candy because it's nighttime now and tomorrow You have school and you got to get to bed and that kind of stinks for them, too They want to go into the into the stash and I'm like not tonight. You're not it's a great take Thanksgiving Labor Day

Those are moving targets. Mm-hmm. Where are you guys on candy for kids? Like how judicious are you? How careful? Tony is welcoming a child into the world. He can learn some things from our parents around here. Stugatz famously would just walk through the neighborhood with a double gin and tonic until he was on his knees by the time he came home

at 7.30 p.m. What is the correct way to do Halloween with the candy, with the kids? How much of the candy, you're only allowed so much candy before bed, correct? Tonight, she can do whatever she wants. I like to live dangerously. We're gonna do this all show.

Wow, Chris did one of his classic signature impressions. I was here for it. Leftover candy sticks around the kitchen for maybe two, three weeks until you have the, you make the decision with you and your wife. We're just gonna throw away the remaining candy. It's me that I have to worry about more than my daughter. Among the costumes that you guys have seen,

so we talked about Miles Garrett video, get some of the video that would show people what some people are doing going to great lengths to be more clever than others, turning Halloween into something competitive. So you've got the pole vaulter from the Olympics, the world record holder who knocked over the, what is that called? The pole default. The stick.

What is a stick? Is that the full name? Oh, with his junk? Yeah. Yes, is it the stick? Is it the bar? It's the bar, okay. He knocked over the bar with his bar,

and we had Miles Garrett showing up to the game in Arnold Schwarzenegger costume. What are some of the other good costumes you guys have seen? This amine costume is not a good costume. Oh, classic Dan Byrne, oh my gosh. I hope my friends could see me now. You're gonna really do this, the entirety of the show.

I'm a fan. Can't see you with that bleeding in your face. I know, it's not a very. That doesn't look comfortable. Everything you're doing looks uncomfortable. It looks, you're going to be regretting that costume in about three hours. I mean, I have a question.

So you flew from Phoenix, like you usually do. Did you have that with you? Did you take that with you? Or is that something that you DIY'd here at the Elcer? All right, so I was hoping there would be a Tony Top 5 about this, but this is what happened. I had a costume that I was gonna bring with me. I forgot it last minute, I forgot to pack it. So when I got here, I had I had a costume that I was gonna bring with me. I forgot it last minute.

I forgot to pack it. So when I got here, I had to DIY a costume. And so I, you know, I shout out to Rose and Kristen and everyone back there. Carmen, we don't need an acceptance speech. Oh, I'm sorry. We just don't. We just don't need shout outs to everybody. You can tell them privately.

But I'm a fan of them too, because they're all part of the thing that makes me happy, which is the creation of this show. And so I wanted them to get their flowers, man. I can't believe how good you are, slipping in and out of character. It's amazing. It's like watching Daniel Day-Lewis.

It really is. I can't believe how well you just go from loving the show to going back to a mean. It's like you hide behind a curtain, disappear entirely. I'm still a fan, but I don't know how I contradicted myself there. But anyways, Tony, we came up with the idea of a fan, and then I said, wait a second.

We can do this a little bit better. So I got a hacksaw from GQ and a blowtorch and stuff. A hacksaw? Yeah, I had to hacksaw some stuff. Look, this is not easy to put together, but you know what? Worth it. Labor of love.

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Don LeBattard! Again, started on the breakfast lawn. Oh man, I've been singing the song to myself all morning while I'm... Breakfast flan. Dun-dun-dun-dun. Stoogats. Have you never heard the breakfast flan song?

No, hit me with it. Okay. I wish I had some breakfast flan. Dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun. Breakfast flan. Dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun. Where can I find a breakfast like that? Dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-d da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da Thank you for mentioning the top 5s because I do want to go to a couple of top 5s with Tony.

I don't know if you've seen this. We've been telling you for about a week. Metal Arc Media made a documentary with Netflix and it is one of the top documentaries since it came out. It's among the top 10 everywhere it is that you look and Tony was enjoying. Tony was, I don't know if you were too young, Tony, because you were 10 years old, right? When the Red Sox are coming back from down 3-0

on the Yankees, you were very young. I was probably, that was what, oh, 304 when those two series, I was, so 12 and 13. So I was still like starting to realize, oh wait, this is what happens here. Like, oh, that's a strikeout, this is that. Like, I just, when you're young, you see the games, but you don't really watch them, right?

Now you start watching them, it's like, oh wow, they came back three nothing. Like now the narrative is flipped, but 20 years have passed, and we've kind of forgotten a lot of stuff that's happened, right? So I remember things that happened, but now I'm being reminded of those things. These spaces that the sports documentary will more and more end up encapsulating because all of the streaming surfaces

are trying to target fan bases, are a super interesting lane because 10 years becomes nostalgia. Like I can't believe that I'm watching Ray Lewis's defense, a defense that I saw in real time, and the 30 for 30 is, you know, it's already old. The fact that we're going 10 years and assigning history to something and this Red Sox team was 20 years but it just wasn't that long ago.

It's pretty amazing that we're talking about the ALCS from 2004 before last night's clenching World Series win for the Dodgers. Wow, Jeremy pointing out that baseball gets disrespected yet again in a more creative fashion. Oh my god. This is like a, this is a dream come true. I'm seeing it all happen. I'm part of history right now. It was a tough choice for me today to decide what should I celebrate more, the Yankees losing or Yankees losing this year or the Yankees losing even more spectacularly 20 years ago. So I'd like to cover it all show, okay? I'd like to start with some of the origin story at the start of this century,

but I'm gonna have to kick Tony out to do this. Celebrate this with a victory lap, please. Go to another room and let's finally uncage the victory lap on people because Metal Arch Media can take a victory lap today. This documentary has been very well received Yeah, as you guys know the internet and movies in general. These are not places where people agree on things So to have the the internet agree. Yes, I like this documentary

I'm kind of tired of all things Boston all of them, but I still like this documentary. That's a video That's a victory for metal arc media. So Tony, go find a place to give us a victory. Dan, it's rare when the internet kind of looks at you and goes, thumbs up. That's kind of what we got. Because it's not number one yet. We're trending to number one. We're at number seven in the top 10.

But that's a good job. I started rooting for the Yankees just so MetalArk's documentary could be more successful. Because when the Dodgers put that thing to bed last night, I'm like, damn, that's probably a couple hundred thou right there. Amin wandered away. He was ready to get New York obnoxious. And now today he comes in, baseball doesn't matter, baseball's tired, baseball's old. This wasn't the series any of us wanted. We wanted drama. We didn't want the Yankees to fall apart, look bad.

Now they're going to spend the off season yelling at those guys. You want to see the best guys perform. You want Aaron Judge and Otani and Soto, those guys batting in big spots every time. And Freeman ends up winning the World Series MVP and deserves it. Like, four home runs, such a random thing, right? Any point in the season, I could take a five game? Any point in the season I could take a five game sample and somebody's gonna be bad during a five game sample,

but I make it during the World Series and Aaron Judge is gonna have to wear that for a while. It's not sexy to talk about, but this World Series was won with defense and base running. Like that really, in a few games, the Stanton terrible base running getting thrown out, the errors by the Yankees, like the routine plays. There were three or four, and these are not tough plays

that's like, okay, that's an error, but that was a tough play. Almost all of these were routine plays. Oh, I can just imagine Aaron Judge waking up today. Holy crap. Well, this is not particularly fair, but it's simply so. He had to perform this postseasonseason because the season that he had was totally crazy. The regular season that he had, it was just every time he hit a fly ball, the ball

ends up going out of the park. I don't think the nation at large is going to enjoy a Dodger victory in this spot. People don't really root for, hey, we've got the best regional television contract and it helps us sign more players than everyone else and we're going to be in on Soto. But I was conflicted during this World Series for one reason more than any other. I could not have the fan base that tries to break Mookie Betts' wrists win the World Series. I didn't want to have an offseason of that, so I'm happy that the

Yankees lost, but the place that I'm torn is, God I wanted rewarded a team that didn't need any gloves and didn't know how to run the bases because they just hit the ball far. Because they just hit the ball 500 feet and they got a stupid right field and they got a home field advantage and they're hitting it out to the opposite field because they're a keg softball team of course they don't know how to run the bases they only were built to trot around them running around the bases in a sprint is not part of it and frankly if i'm being honest wearing gloves

erin judge on carlos dan so don't think i'm coming up with gloves Wearing gloves, eh. Aaron Judge, Giancarlo Stanton, Soto, if they didn't come to the park with gloves, I don't think I'd notice or care. I don't know if we know if Volpe was wearing a glove, the way he played defense in this series. Oh my God, that play ranging to his right and just spiking it into the ground is-

Throw it to Jazz, just throw it to him. It's so simple. Just toss it to him. Just toss it, it's right there. You had an opportunity and that spiraled completely out of control, starting with Aaron Judge who actually is a really really good center fielder is evidenced by the catch that he made against Freddie Freeman just dropping a ball hit right at him. Such a momentum sport isn't it like when things go bad they go back quickly and they go bad all in one

direction I do want to push back on one thing, Daniel, you said that Aaron Judge is a five game sample and I would say no, he was trash the whole postseason. He had eight hits the entire postseason. Agreed. So it's much bigger than a five game sample of him not performing and that was kind of what made the World Series a higher stakes because everyone thought, look, the guy, the year he had, that means he's due. That means he's due. So every big moment when he gets up to play,

I remember at game one, I was at game one, and in extra innings, he gets up there, it's like, oh, we need, all we need, man, is contact on this. Just get it in play. And again, like, I just thought, like, oh, this is the moment. This is when he's gonna hit like a 600-foot rocket,

and we win the game spectacularly. Instead, he just came up short again and again, I just thought like, oh, this is the moment. This is when he's gonna hit like a 600 foot rocket and we win the game spectacularly. Instead he just came up short again and again other than I guess two nights ago. No, that wasn't worth anything. You're right. Not only that it wasn't just five games, it wasn't even just this postseason.

Aaron Judge, this is a haunting thing, man. To have that season and have it fall apart at the end like that, I know I'm the guy who wants to celebrate the winners out here more than blaming the losers, but I do feel bad for how Aaron Judge is going to feel all offseason because he can't do anything about it now for months, and it's another postseason. And this one chewed up even Barry Bonds. Like I remember watching Barry Bonds and just having him say so frustrated, still hitting 200 in the postseason

because of how they pitched him and because of how the pressure got ratcheted up and he'd lose plate discipline. He just said flatly, my shit don't work in the playoffs. Like said it flatly and then post steroids, he fixed all his postseason numbers in one postseason because he had 400 home runs in one postseason. Maybe that'll happen for Judge but one of the reasons this World

Series is disappointing is because you didn't get much of anything from Judge and Ohtani and those are the game stars and we want to watch stars be stars. The franchises aren't the stars anymore. They'll get us to the television. The franchises, New York and Los Angeles, will get us to the television. But if you want us to stay and celebrate it and remember it and do documentaries on it 20 years from now, your star's gotta be stars.

That's, Big Poppy's gotta be in the middle of coming back from down 3-0. You don't, it can't all be Kevin Millar. And so when we're watching Ohtani and Judge do that, it's like, and at five games, and we had moments. The thing gave you moments. Like the idea that the Yankees were up 5-0 in that game and coughed it up at home? What was that sound? That was just the sound of the frustration of a Yankee fan, man. You're struggling with that costume, aren't you? It's just the sound of the frustration of a Yankee fan, man.

You're struggling with that costume, aren't you? No. You are. You know what? I love being part of this so much that I will go through discomfort in order to commit to this bit because bits is what this show is built on, ladies and gentlemen.

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Don Lebatard. No one else here is willing to do a Trump or a Biden. That's not true, Dan. OK, Tony, you can catch up. Dan of a thousand impersonations. That's not bad, man. Finally. Not terrible.

Pretty good. Stugats. Yours is terrible. You just got to get a little redder, a little pinker. You're right there, man. Yours is not. You're biting me. What do you mean? Oh, his is good, Dan. That's actually not bad. Not terrible. That's not terrible. We got to come together. Little southern twang there. Little George Bush in that one. This is the Dan LeBattar Show with the Stugats.

The Sidon Lebatar Show with the Stugarts. Well, thank you for celebrating that. And we're going to celebrate with Tony in a second our victory lap at Metal Arch Media for making a documentary. But before we do that, while we're promoting things, celebrating yet another victory, Mike Ryan's oral history is another thing on the internet that has been almost universally celebrated. I have not heard a bad word about the oral history. Another one drops tomorrow, correct? Yeah, this one's spicy.

Oh. This one's really spicy. This one, we, truth be told, I had to save this one. I had to. I had to do a lot of politicking and behind the scenes I had to save this one because this is where we cover the big breakup in this show where the show was forever changed with Hawk leaving and everybody has different sides and Stu Gotz's almost convenient memory really muddies the waters here.

So I think the listeners are going to be a little bit confused and I hope everyone has an understanding that look there are sometimes multiple sides to a story but yeah this one's this one's was Dicey making it and I'm curious to see what the reaction is not just from the the fans of our show but from the people involved. You know it's it's wild because from a fan standpoint imagine being a Laker fan but you started being a Laker fan like in 2008 right and so they win two championships and they're great. And this is awesome, but you know, there was a whole thing before this that happened.

And it was also great, but it was a different great. But I didn't get to witness any of it. I would love to watch a documentary to teach me about it. That's what these oral history things are gonna be about. So I wanna know about this Hawk era because I didn't experience it at all. It was just something that I heard about from the elders oh my god you know what the greatest thing about being a fan is the

community of fans there are other people we share these stories and we share rumors and theories and stuff so to debunk or to confirm many of these things by listening to this series wow what a joy. Spicy, Mike Ryan says. I like spicy. Do you want to tease it in any other ways? I don't wanna be unfair to any of the participants who could not speak up for themselves here, but is there any other framing or macro stuff

without giving too much away? Because people have really enjoyed these. And if you're promising spicy, like one of the things that I am most grateful for around here is no offense to the others who compete to be a bigger fan of the show than the next person, but the people who have been here since the beginning, like since the very beginning and have had their whole lives changed in the last 20 years

with whatever it is that comes over 20 years to ride with you from that space and remember this time and love what's going on at the end of those episodes where you're just going pure nostalgia on, oh, I remember that thing they did in 2006. Yeah, I wanna tip the cap to Ethan and Mike Malley who have done a great job with this, particularly with those super cuts.

More acceptance speeches for the people outside. It's just that it's not like a documentary. You don't get to see credits on this thing and they work hard on it. But all the feedback has been positive. Again, I haven't seen a negative comment from our fans, but I don't even think that the legacy listeners have a deeper appreciation for it

because part of the feedback that I've heard from non- non legacy listeners, people that maybe found us because of ESPN is they're grateful to hear how the show got to the point where they discovered it. And sonically, there was, this is, I was worried about this bit initially, but I think it actually has, it might work. And I kind of just like it. It might work, it might work off show. And I kinda just like it. I kinda just having someone next to me.

You know the internet's so toxic and just to have the positive reinforcement of a meme. I didn't litter, did I? I really do feel like a meme is more supportive than usual and even though it's totally insincere, it's made me feel more comfortable. I think I wanna put in our contracts

that we get more fawning. The way that this, here's how I'll tease this oral history. Dan says one thing, Hock says one thing, they're usually not in total alignment, and Sugatze confuses the hell out of you. Playin' bullshides. It becomes, look, it becomes very clear to me. I've done my own deduction because this was a mystery to me too.

Part of this was me getting my own answers because when Hock left, I addressed it in this episode, I didn't really talk to Hock about why he was leaving, how he was leaving, and I just took it on my own shoulders to just keep chugging along. So I've wondered about these things. Do you feel like you have better answers now? Yeah. Until Stugatz started talking. He confused me too while we were talking.

Honestly, I don't want to give away too much, but I will say that a couple of different times, I'm learning something from St Gotz for the first time that he is saying in a microphone and I'm like, oh that's so okay you okay you thought you were doing highly questionable with me okay okay. So the call was coming from inside the house I've deduced when it comes to Stu Gotz has very convenient timelines for him. You have convenient timelines for you. We try to parse through all those rationalizations.

It's an investigation? It is, and maybe one of the lead investigators did it. You. I have goosebumps right now. So, I mean, it's a good tease. You're saying the oral history so far is one of the most universally well-received things we've ever done, and you're promising,

in its fourth episode, the spiciest episode yet. There's a lot of instances where someone goes, and this is how this happened, and a voice just bombs in, that never happened that way. So it's a bit of a mess in that regard. But yeah, look, feelings are complicated, especially when you have time and it confuses how things went

and you apply different rationalizations for different eras and you think you're right. A lot of this has been pretty revealing. And my takeaway from what happened with The Breakup after listening to this episode was, it's unfortunate that it happened like this because there was a miscommunication along the way. There were some resentments that sometimes were vocalized.

Sometimes those resentments landed certainly the wrong way. When we talk about the Mark Hockman sports comic thing, there was so much truth behind things that he thought were genuinely playful that it just complicated a bunch of things. So I listened to it as a fan of that era as someone that considers Hock a mentor and one of the greatest producers to ever do this. I look at what happened there is relatively sad because it's forever changed your relationship. I think people that have closely followed Hock's social media posts or any time he

hops on a Reddit AMA that something went sideways here. And I don't think we get clarity on all of that, but I think we have a better understanding. You okay? I mean, it's just so touching. Well, that's not touching? It's just so touching. Well, that's not touching, it's sad. It is sad. Sad and touching are two different things, aren't they?

Touching is usually positive, it's not negative, right? I do hope that a happy byproduct of this is that we can all have our disagreements, but I do think, and I'm holding out hope, that there will be some healing in the making of this, not just for Dan, and, not just for Dan, not, and certainly not just for Hawk for the, for the audience too,

that kind of felt some kind of way about it and was confused as to why the former producer of the show ended up going to QAM and for a brief time locally, going directly head to head. So it's an interesting one. I've never said anything about any of this. This is the only time I've ever talked about any of it. And it's the only time that I've had the opportunity to ask Hock pointed questions. I've always had, I've been aware of what he thought

his side was from like I said, social media posts, but I've never had the opportunity to kind of corner him with contacts and really press on certain disconnects. And it was only until really this morning when I heard the most recent draft, because I'm still moving parts along, that I think I got closer to what happened there, and I can tell you privately, because I'm going to leave it for the audience to decide, because it's a little complicated. But I think one of the great mysteries, at least for my professional career, I have more

clarity and I have a little bit more closure about it and, Sugotz is, Sugotz is, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,

it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,

it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, and he says he has proof of certain things like, no, I wasn't talking to such and such because I was under contract with such and such. Maybe Sugat's had a different deal.

So, do you feel teased? I am thoroughly teased. So teased. Thank you for making this, oh my gosh. Somebody else has been teased. He's been sitting in or standing or running in another room here. It is time for Tony's top five.

Tony is about to take a victory lap while holding an iPad. That's the wrong music. That is Tony's other top five. That's his football top five. This is the victory lap top five. It's totally different top five Elton John. Get it together fat print. Don't we have music for that? I don't think there's music for that one. Okay that's fine. It's a different top five. Like trying to think fast, go to the sub folder called 1920s.

Yeah. Just do this. This is, this is, go to the 1920s folder and pull something out of your butt. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Does Tony look like an NFL head coach? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Soon this week by the way, Dan. Thank you for throwing it over here We are in front of Fenway Park an incredible and incredible piece of history now this top five doesn't need music Okay, cuz we're gonna be doing it to the sounds of Marcel Dinkins the great-granddaughter of Mayor Dinkins incredible She's doing stuff for peloton. This is the peloton app by the way, which I'm gonna be doing my victory lap on We're gonna be doing 15 minute interval running So I'm gonna have Jesse hold this so I can actually follow along with what's going on while giving my top five

So Dan, are you ready for the top five here? I am though in my mind the victory lap would be something that by the time we came to you You were already a little bit winded. No, but see that's not how the peloton app works, Dan I got to make sure that we're doing it by that's how the spin room This is not that this is not that I think it's exactly the spin room with just the green Screen, I don't see anybody green screen. I'm in Boston. What are you talking? Okay, so go ahead. What do you got? No, I know we got OLA stands So this is the top five of things I was reminded by by metal arc media's incredible

Documented sitting atop that's a seven right now in Netflix on the planet though, which is exciting. Yeah. All right. It's seven. I put it on the poll. Please do three. Hold on. LeBretard show is in the top seven is seven of seven atop any lists. Go ahead. All right. Oh, a lie. Number one, Mario Mario, you're on a Rivera. Wow. He was electric. I really good. It's harder to do the victory lap, jogging and talking. Well, yeah. It's harder to do the victory lap jogging and talking Well, yeah, and I gotta look at my phone too. But Mario on a Rivera Dan you think of him like, oh, yeah He was great answer Sandman the whole bit But when you see him and these guys talking about like, oh no, he doesn't make mistakes on the mound if he made a mistake

You're the one that's lucky. He was just a lot better than we remember Thank you. That's an Oli. Yeah, I'm pretty sure we remember him as the best ever. Yeah, but it's been 20 years, Dan. We're, you know. All right. All right. Number OLI number two. Oh yeah, Bronson Arroyo had cornrows.

I'm proud about that. That's what I think of every time I hear that name. Oh, pizza this way. Hold on. Oh, let's get it right this way. There we go. Okay. Number five, we'll start here in a solemn place, but a place that reminded us of the greatness of him.

Rest in peace, Tim Wakefield, the boy. Good dude. Uh, number four, man, baseball mattered back then, huh? Right? Wow. Not anymore, Tony. It's so crazy. It is nuts how much baseball mattered just 20 years ago.

People were hanging out of cars, honking wind. Like everything was incredible. The scenes were amazing. Seas of people just everywhere enjoying baseball. And then now it's like Jeremy with a wolf mask on and we're like, yeah, okay. Shut up, Jeremy. All right. Number three, shots before game six and seven of Johnny Walker was electric. Back when, back when you could do things Dan that you probably can't get away with now Old charming Kevin Millar drinking before games. Oh just a shot

This is shot Can I jump in here and remind people that this victory lap is presented by peloton find your push find your power with peloton? All right, and your push your push and your. Chris has some foggy glasses over there. I don't know what's going on. He's on the Peloton too. Well, not just, can I just point out that not only does Chris get the slogan wrong, but then he punctuates the ad by picking his nose on camera.

It is pushing power. He said it exactly right. Also, the foggy glasses are a throwback to when Dan used to wear glasses and used to fog up in the old Cleveland studio because it was so hot there. Wow, we're really celebrating our history. All right, number two.

Theo was 28 when he took over the Boston Red Sox. It's crazy. What? It's crazy. I mean, I remember he was 28, but now being 32, I'm like, damn, at 28, give me the keys. Yes, he's- We're gonna make it happen, baby.

He's a Hall of Famer. The Cubs and the Red Sox hadn't won in a very long time, and he won in both places. We're going into eight speed here with Dinkins. All right, number one, Dan. Kevin Millar, Hall of Fame bro. There's nobody, I wanna be Kevin Millar when I grow up. Kevin Millar is the most electric guy on TV

outside of Jason Garrett It was an electric top five. It was so good And he's just got the vibes the vibes were all the way up here incredible teammate incredible, bro Like Hall of Fame level bro. Yeah, I'm with that assessment Actually, we saw it didn't was coming wasn't Kevin Millar either a scab or rule five player or something Yeah, he's gonna go to Japan and And then Theo, they were actually very frowned upon. You don't usually claim guys that are gonna go to Japan. It's known that they're gonna go over there and they're gonna do their thing.

So everybody was pissed and that was a part of Theo's legacy. He's like, I gotta be bold. I gotta be the guy to do things that nobody's done. And then he did it and all of a sudden, bam, curse broken. It's good analysis though by Tony because Kevin Millar is not only Hall of Fame bro he's Hall of Fame bro with enduring stay power unlike Dan Uggla or someone of that ilk like Millar was actually you realize that Millar gets forever stardom in Boston as an otherwise like pretty mediocre player

Whoa, he had you doing now? He had some good years. Yeah. Even before the Red Sox, he had some good years. But I think he's got staying power because he's such a good media person now. The like AJ Piersinski stuck around. Dan Uggla is just not doing media that way. It's like those two guys from the Yankee game the other night had the Yankees win the World Series.

They'd be like Kevin Millar. I feel like people remember Kevin Millar, the player, as just the guy who had the similar Gary Sheffield stance. In 20 years, Metal Lark will do last night's series in documentary form. Can I stop running now? Howdy, loyal audience. It's Mike Ryan, and we're getting down to the nitty gritty of

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