The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Local Hour: He Had The V

Episode Date: August 14, 2024

Today's cast: Dan, Stugotz, Amin, Chris, Jeremy, Jessica, and JuJu. What's the difference between a bad good take and a good bad take? Stugotz may just have the answer. Amin has flown in and is frustrated that the Shipping Container didn't call out Stugotz for his "NFL last place game" take OR Dan on his "Americans gathering around the TV for sports" take from yesterday's show. Then, will we remember the USA vs. Serbia game when we're on our death beds? And is this year's Team USA Women's Basketball team equivalent to the 1992 Dream Team? Plus, Amin says LeBron James and Steph Curry have to play together, Dan wonders how Kevin Durant views being the third best basketball player of his generation, and the audience takes out Charles Barkley for...being generous? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Ha ha ha ha ha ha. I don't know what he overheard that made him dismiss the the room but who wasn't taking correctly for you as the arguments broke out all around with Amin al-Hassan in town. Well someone was saying my stick the landing on the vault take during the Olympics was a terrible take and I said it got a reaction from you and that's all I'm looking for. It's a bad take but it's a good take. And I said it got a reaction from you. And that's all I'm looking for. It's a bad take, but it's a good take. It's a bad good take. You can't be afraid to give

a take. That's right. Yeah. The hallmark of a good take isn't whether it is accurate or smart. It's whether it got a reaction. And that's what Stugatz got. He got a reaction. I did. That was a good take. It was a bad take, but you're saying that there's a spot in the middle, Stugatz, between

the good take and the bad take, and it's the bad good take, which is, if you have an opinion that gets you called a fool, I've told you this before, Colin Cowhert knows there's money in wrong. Some people will take wrong as the lane, and Stugatz is saying, if currency today is just attention, if all that matters is did you say a thing that got attention, you see how the take master evolves in old age, he's just gonna keep pushing it further and further into the places

where no one else is willing to take. Then let me give you an example of the opposite to give you the contrast. A good bad take, like LeBron is one of the best players to have ever played basketball. Duh, like it's accurate, but it's a bad take. Yeah. It does nothing for me.

It does nothing for me. Nothing, right? As opposed to LeBron, not even one of the 50 greatest players to ever play the game. Now! Now you're talking. What? What?

What? Okay, but is that that what is the difference between a bad good take and just a bad bad take? Because you can say anything to get attention. There are any number of ridiculous things you can say to get attention. I don't know where this line is. This is the line that Stu gots dances on like a gold medal gymnast. A bad good take is I know it's a bad take as it's coming out of my mouth, but it gets people talking. I don't agree with what it is I'm saying, but it gets

the people to talk. Wait a minute. That doesn't make any sense. What do you mean you don't agree with what it is you're saying? Wait a minute. That is... That makes all the sense. I don't like the words that are coming out of my mouth. I agree with them, Dan. Let me rephrase this. Yes, I know. I agree with the take. It just, I'm not saying it for any other reason than to get people talking. That's all. I don't really care. This is what I think. Stick the landing. Stick the landing. You don't, you don't. This is what I believe happens. Stu Gott gets out there and he does the equivalent of licking his finger and holding it to the wind. Tell me where it is that started, Chris, please, as an action, the licking of the finger

and holding it to the wind. Where it started? Yeah, I wanna know where in- Origins. Yeah, the origins of why it is that that was something that started. Prehistoric time? I mean, I think the first man probably did that

because it's like, oh, which way is the wind going? Yeah, but the licking of the finger seems... Yeah, so you could feel like the... Are we really doing this? You don't know, like when you lick your finger, the precipitation on your finger, you have a different level of sensation of things like that. So when you do that, you can feel the wind better.

That didn't start like in the 80s. We have an expert. Started in the Netherlands, apparently. In the past, when the Dutch wanted to know the direction the wind was blowing, they would lick their index finger and raise them. The Dutch, I don't believe that. You tell me the Romans were like,

which way is the wind going? I don't know. If only there were a system that we had. We created aqueducts, but we don't know how to lick our finger and do this. Put it on the poll, Juju, at Levitard Show. Did the Dutch invent licking your finger to see which way the wind is blowing? This is the Dan Levitard Show with the Stukats Podcast.

Today's episode is sponsored by DraftKings. Stay tuned because you'll hear more about DraftKings than all it has to offer throughout the show. DraftKings, the crown is yours. I've been telling the audience for a while to keep an eye on how your favorite media members, the ones who have dominated the last generation, how they age. And the way that Stu Gotz is aging is super interesting because he just said to you, and this is absolutely not true as with many things that come out of his

mouth, Stu Gotz does not make things up that he doesn't actually believe. He might turn it up from 8 to 10, but Stu Gotz later in life, what I have noticed as the climate has changed all around us what he does is he starts the take and then there's a version of horror that emerges from the shipping container and then from within that he decides whether to hit the gas or hit the brakes depending on what it is that he's talking about but he's absolutely looking for the response and so when everyone jumps on him with simone byles he's talking about but he's absolutely looking for the response and so when everyone jumps on him with Simone Biles he's absolutely thinking

yes she needs to not hop when she lands on the dismount that is not something he made up that's something he felt when it happened yeah and and so when you guys react by jumping on his neck what ends up happening there is no I'm gonna press the gas because I know it doesn't matter whether or not i have an opinion that she hopped a little bit i don't care which simone bios people i make angry because the shipping containers now sour and now he goes to the controversial place he speeds up to the controversial place where where the dangerous takes are amin came in here you tell me if this is a bad good take

i mean flowing here today upset because yesterday stood out spew so much shrapnel in so many different directions that none of us even noticed that he had said that if there were a bronze medal game in football for the number one draft pick it would get better ratings than the super bowl to be clear he said some years yes depending on who the prospect is and i was depends on the prospect get better ratings than the Super Bowl. To be clear, he said some years. Yes. Depending on who the prospect is. It depends on the prospect, like Caleb Williams,

and it depends on the Super Bowl matchup. Of course. No, no it doesn't. The Super Bowl will always draw more. Always, it doesn't matter if, here's the best part about football. I can't even name two teams that I'm like, oh nobody cares about those two teams, to play the Super Bowl. No, I can name one, two teams that I'm like, oh, nobody cares about those two teams

to play the Super Bowl. No, I can name one, Jacksonville. Jacksonville versus what? Jacksonville, no one ever cares about Jacksonville. Jacksonville, Carolina, do you think that would be a Super Bowl no one would care about? That's not true, Dan, their fans are super loud these days. They're very into it.

I would not say Jacksonville. I would've said it 10 years ago, I won't say it now. Okay, and I'm gonna remain totally stubborn in that take, and when Jacksonville does something that matters you guys Inform me of it. I might change it. You get a You get a Carolina Jacksonville Super Bowl. I mean versus versus what's the process? What's the process? Caleb Williams you think the Caleb Williams bowl would draw more than Jacksonville versus Carolina for the Super Bowl? Yes So got you know, I love supporting you in all of your endeavors.

Wow. But I cannot follow you down this path. Wow. I mean that is that seems crazy but I need to know whether your assessment is that a bad good take because I think that what he's saying is insane and I don't think it's a good take that's bad. I think it's a bad take that's bad. Well thank you.

I think it's an excellent take that's bad. Well, thank you. I think it's an excellent bad take, because it got me, I told everybody, this is a new phone, the phone that I had when I was listening to it yesterday, I shot it. I just unloaded with a Gatling gun and just shredded it to pieces, because not that he said it, I won't lie, you know what, Stugats, it's an excellent bad take.

Thank you, thank you. It's not because you said it that made me mad. What made me mad was that nobody even flinched. You guys just kept talking about whatever the conversation was. Like, whoa, did you hear what this man just said? I was so happy in the moment, I must tell you. I mean, you're right, and this is how I age, okay? Playing whack-a-mole with him for 20 years, I've slowed down.

I can't clean up everything I'm gonna miss a few and it's gonna be some obvious ones and it's gonna feel wrong to you because I Missed it. It's my job to correct him. They don't care about correcting him. They just they they just you know To the audio audience. He just waved the dismissive hand at the entire container like a radio I mean, what are you correcting me on it's my opinion I'm just giving an opinion it's an asinine opinion there is nothing that football can create real or imagined that would be bigger than the Super Bowl I just gave you something I'll tell you how it would be better if my homes had

to play in that game then maybe maybe that game would outrate the Super Bowl. But Dan, it's not just the dominion of Stugats, the same ridiculous things that nobody pushes back on. Yesterday, you waxed poetically, you mused how you could not imagine a scenario where America would gather around the television to watch sports in today's day and age. And you guys said, oh my God,

these Olympics have been different. And I said, Dan, NBC paid $8 billion. That wasn't just on a whim. You got, everyone was like, these Olympics were different. You know why they were different? Because the ones before them were a year off and in Tokyo and were suppressed. Suppressed by COVID, suppressed by the time zone difference.

But if you go back to the Olympics before that, 2016, we were absolutely doing this. Remember, we were doing Ryan Lochte, getting arrested, and making up a story about how he got robbed by gunmen in the Rio kind of favelas or whatever. There were so many incredible stories from those Olympics, and we were all doing exactly what we're doing right now There's nothing this show was not you absolutely right? We didn't talk about Ryan Lochte

They'll read and they're mentioning one thing about Ryan Lochte here And we did not spend the time talking about Michael Phelps that we did about Simone Biles. We absolutely did not not right I mean not this show talk about Michael Phelps. We did no we did not know man I was here what are you talking about I mean yes we talked about Michael Phelps but this show did not obsess with the Olympics it absolutely did not there's nothing there is literally zero content specific content that anyone can remember from that time period done by this show because we did nothing memorable during that time period Kevin Durant and Draymond Green and and Kyrie Irving Speaking of memories you also said on Monday

And I didn't check you for this that Kevin Durant and the USA squad might remember that game against Belgium for the rest of their Lives, but you won't and dare I say if I catch your ass at 90 and I'm on your bed at the end at the hospital Like Dan Remember when the USA beat the Joker in them? You could be like, yeah, what? You know what? That'd be an odd time to ask. It would be.

I'm saying, I'm proving my point. Loved ones all around them, like, hold on, I wanna paint this picture out. Dan's there, there's like a, you know, everyone, Valerie's there holding his hand, we're all there, we're crying, I'm old and gray, I've lost all my hair, and Juju walks up, and Juju looks exactly the same because Juju doesn't age.

And he says, hey Dan, remember that Serbia game? And then Dan's eyes widen, like the welling of a tear. And we thought, oh, we thought he was non-communicative. He's reacting. And then he looks at Juju and says, no. Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. Sounds like a wonderful ending honestly. I hope I hope that all of that game because I did not experience the bronze medal game that way. I'd just be there for the will. You playing it? And fiddling with the machines to make sure that-

Make it go quicker, yeah. That I die quicker. Do you have like, as soon as he dies- I wouldn't do that to you. Do you have it like, as soon as he dies, the will is just read out loud to everyone in the hospital? Crack it open, yeah. You got it lined up.

Dan's the opening act. The headliner is the will reading. Am I alone on this amongst all of you when I say that I don't believe that the, I don't believe that the Serbia game will even be as memorable as the one that was played after that. Like you can't tell me. That's fair. Like okay, but so you guys are saying

now you're gonna make it two games for all time or just play during the Paris Olympics by a team that was an overwhelming favorite? I might pair them together. Like I might just remember this Olympics and those two games, because the other ones weren't all that memorable. And so when you look back at it and you say like,

oh man, they had to be Jokic and Wembe. Cause ultimately Wembe will be remembered that memorable. And so when you look back at it and you say like, oh man, they had to be Jokic and Wemby. Cause ultimately Wemby will be remembered that way. And so in 10, 15 years from now, it'll be like, oh my God, how did they go through those two players in those close games? Cause they had 12 of them. But it'll be even more memorable.

Oh, at the end of their careers, LeBron and Stefan Duran taking down the MVP in the future best player ever. We'll remember it even more 20 years from now. Jeremy's right. We absolutely will make Wembe way better than what he actually was. In the same way they say how did LeBron and Dwayne Wade and Mello lose an Olympic gold? How they win bronze? Because they were seven years old when they played in that thing. How could they possibly beat a 20 year old Wemby with a team with so many stars

that Jason Tatum couldn't get on the floor? Jason Tatum I saw was 0 for 16 on jumpers during the Olympics. Yeah, a little bit of a cold stretch. Semantics. Yeah. Put it on the poll please, Juju. Is Jason Tatum being 0 for 16 in the Olympics

on jumper semantics? Yes or no? The women's gold medal game, you guys saw the number, the rating that did it, 9.30 in the morning on a Sunday, starts at seven million and gets up close to 11 million by the end, some people were objecting to my assessment that that women's team, does anyone in this room object to my assessment that that women's team, does anyone in this room

object to the assessment that that women's team to me, for me, was the equivalent of the 92 men's team for women, the first giant team of stars that everyone is overwhelmed by and paying attention to. Wasn't the 96 a women's team? 96, that's what I was gonna say. They started a league because of that one. Definitely 96 was like the moment for that team. But I think this was a really exciting game

because you're never gonna get the chance to play the home country's team on their home court the evening after they just lost in heart-wrenching fashion to the NBA stars. There was so much energy in that building from all the accounts of all the reporters and fans that were there that I've heard talk about it. the evening after they just lost in heart-wrenching fashion to the NBA stars. There was so much energy in that building from all the accounts of all the reporters and fans that were there that I've heard talk about it

that that was a really unique kind of mashing of all these different emotions. And so, I mean, that game was great. I thought, I mean, I was super nervous watching it because I really wanted the US to win, but it was super exciting. I'm never gonna forget that game. There, beat that. The reason that I make the assessment that win, but it was super exciting. I'm never gonna forget that game. There, beat that.

The reason that I make the assessment that I do on it is I'm not making it about the team as much as I'm making it about the interest. There has been no time in my lifetime that a women's Olympic basketball team would get 11 million people for a game on a Sunday morning because everybody deeply cares about the result and is also watching because they know it's a loaded team and they're more familiar with the players

than they've ever been. There's a stardom on the team that wasn't associated with players who were less known in 96 just because fewer people knew to pay attention and were ignorant about what they were watching. I do think there were more people that watched the Tokyo women's gold medal game though because it was on during primetime. I think it was a 1030 Eastern start. So I would disagree with you there. I think Brianna Stewart and Asia Wilson and Diana Tarazi and Brittany Greiner, they were pretty big stars three years ago in that game and I think that shows via how many people watched that game.

Weren't there bigger numbers for that game in Tokyo during prime time? I think it was very similar but maybe slightly more and that I think that attributes to the time change too because it's 630 a.m. on the west coast for a gold medal match on Sunday. Like a lot of people are not going to be able to get up for that. Summer's the best time to run the way you want. Dial it up with new challenges and programs and bring your workouts with you to make the most of outside sunny days. There's no better way to do that than with Peloton. With Peloton take advantage of how beautiful it is

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This is the Don Lebatard Show with the Stugats. Getting back to what it is that Stugats was saying about trying to whack these takes that are bad, good takes. Do you have any of those today? Do you have anything that you've sharpened up today? Or is today a slower day for you? You can't throw fastballs all the time. You need days of rest. I don't force these things Dan. They just have to come to me I will let you know I'm marinating on a few and I will get back to you ASAP

Okay, doesn't mean have any maybe Stefan LeBron Like do you have anything related at anything? It doesn't have to be basketball I suppose do you have a bad good It doesn't have to be basketball, I suppose. Do you have a bad, good take or a good, bad take? I think I have a good, good take, but maybe I'm just being biased. Well. Because we did this on Oddball and we posted it

and the reaction, I was kind of staggered that I don't think people really listened to what I was talking about. I said, look, we've had NBA players since 1992 play in the Olympics, and great players have played together. Grant Hill and Shaq played together, and obviously Kevin Garnett and Gary Payton played together in 2000, and so on and so forth.

Obviously, 2008 is the most famous one because we got the actual joining of LeBron and Wade and Bosch because of that. But I've never felt in my life, in any of those Olympics, I had the idea of walking away like, no, no, these two people need to be on the same team together for basketball,

for the sake of beautiful basketball. And it's LeBron and Steph. I never thought it could ever look this good. I was just like, a lot of people said it online, it was like, it's like Draymond's supercharged. I'm like, no, it's like Draymond, if freaking Galactus came down and gave him superpowers

and called him one of his heralds. There's no way in hell that you can tell me there's ever been a more perfect match of two great players than LeBron and Steph. It was amazing. And I said, I realized right then and there, any sort of petty kind of biases that we might have, like, oh, I hate the Lakers,

they should never play together. Or like, oh, the Warriors get too much. Doesn't matter. Oh, LeBron always plays in the stack. Who cares? I'm not even talking about playing on a stacked roster. I don't care if the rest of the roster is Stugats and freaking-

Brawny. Brawny and Chris Cody, right? I'm saying that LeBron and Steph. What would our record be? 62 and 20. Me and Brawny, Stu Gots and Steph and LeBron. That's a starting five. Well, y'all have to be 0 and 70.

Hell not. Hell not. We have LeBron and Steph, man. Hey, Juju, welcome to the good bad take. Yeah, 62 wins. That's what they'd win. Put it on the poll, please, Juju, welcome to the good bad take. Yeah, 62 wins, that's what they'd win. Put it on the poll please, Juju. Better combo together for beautiful basketball, Shaq and Kobe or Curry and LeBron?

I left here yesterday thinking something that I regret not saying. Jordan and Pippen? Way better, how about that? Way better, not just better, way better. You've got Curry and LeBron being way better. How about that? Way better, not just better, way better. You've got Curry and LeBron being way better? I've got 40-year-old LeBron, and however old Curry is, 37 or whatever,

better than Jordan Pippen in their prime. Boy, do I have a proposal for you, Amin. That is a good bad take. Oh yeah? Brought it up on our board yesterday. What's up? After just a couple of years on their contracts, LeBron James and Steph Curry, both free agents.

Guess who has a ton of cap space in those seasons? Your Miami Heat! What's the matter, Dan? Just Jeremy. Stephon Marbury said yesterday, because he doesn't like LeBron, that Michael Jordan, you shouldn't put LeBron James in the same breath with Michael Jordan.

My man. And can I get to what I'm saying or you wanna say what you have before I can get to my people? Small windows, I just gave him a my man, that's it. He knew what I was gonna give him there, right. I can't get to what I'm saying. No, but I did the right thing there. Don't get mad at me.

I'm not just trying, I mean, I'm trying to set something up here. I'm not trying to derail it, I just really, really. You're not, you're not. I'm not, I'm not. Just say it real quick. So according to Stephon Marbury, I gotta go Michael Jordan LeBron James, okay. Yeah, I was setting that up. You could have given me the chance to set that up the flow

I mean, you know Minor penalty two minutes asshole Yes, you're the asshole because you come flying in here, you sit in the seat and I'm trying to set something up and you're like, no, I've got something better even though I don't need to hear even what you're doing to tell you I've got something better than whatever you've got. He was looking around for the asshole. That's if it was him. He was saying, I'm the asshole.

And he's looking like I should leave. Yes, like I should leave. And I wanted to know first, where does that expression come from? Because I do feel like it is totally reasonable to say that LeBron belongs in the same breath as Michael Jordan. Oh, jeez, I mean, we waited around for that? In the same, in the same,

in the same breath. I wanna understand, did the Dutch invent that when they were holding a finger up to the sky after they had licked their finger? Because it seems like it'd be pretty easy. I don't know how long your breath lasts while speaking but it would be pretty easy to give LeBron the respect that at the end of whatever that trailing breath is it's okay to put him in the conversation with LeBron James. So you can't take a breath when you're doing it. I mean

technically you're not allowed to. If you're gonna put them in the same breath, you cannot breathe while you're giving the take. I like this. Or you can't take a second breath while talking. I don't know how many names you think you can list on a single breath before taking another breath. How many do you think if, because I- Used to be a lot more for me

yes your lung capacity does diminish some with age but the point that i was going to make about uh... kevin durant that i forgot to make on the way uh... we were talking yesterday about his general happiness and how it seems like he's been fighting the internet for fifteen years can you imagine from this perspective being Kevin Durant? You're trying to be the best all the time and you're a clearly unprecedented basketball player for any age. But you happen to live in the time

of LeBron and Curry so you're always the bronze medalist and you're only the bronze medalist because you teamed up with Curry. Then you're always the bronze medalist and you're only the bronze medalist cuz you teamed up with curry then you get to the olympics and we remember that first half when you went a freight but what do we remember old third place again on his own team all the time and the internet's always there to remind you what the real differences they think between being number one and being number three and we will make all sorts of arguments and if your internet addicted and you think you know you know basketball in your grade being number one and being number three and we will make all sorts of arguments and if you're internet-addicted

and you think you know you know basketball in your grade at basketball you're obviously great at basketball you like fifteen years i got to spend all this time fighting with all-time greats of my generation two of whom will be remembered for all-time because they have no precedent and i'm always finishing third except that one year where i joined steph and i needed his help to do what i did that be pretty frustrating if i was a person who was

fighting the internet all the time and getting caught up in the stupidity of people uh... you know it's you know splitting hairs on sports are you know i think what's frustrating first of all take their best basketball player in the world secondly i think what's frustrating to basketball fans is you can obviously see the talent of Kevin Durant. We see it all the time. And when you see it, you say to yourself, that guy didn't need to join that team. That guy could have beat that team.

And he chose not to. But Stugantz, you make that point all the time. And what I'm telling you is... That's a good good take it what I'm telling you though is in retrospect I'm guessing that part of Kevin Durant's greatest frustrations is What Stu got I? Did the thing you guys were telling me for ten years? I needed to do I needed to win and then I give you the thing that you wanted and you tell me on the back end

After I've won now you didn't do it the way I wanted you the thing that you wanted and you tell me on the back end after I've won, nah, you didn't do it the way I wanted you to do it. Sometimes it's where you win, how you win, with who you win, and he made a bad decision. I'm sorry, I mean, championships are different. Winning a championship with Golden State would not have meant as much to Kevin Durant's legacy as winning just one in Oklahoma City.

My larger point is i would understand if i were him why it is he has a scowl all the time fighting with people like you overall i tried to do it your way but it wasn't the right way because if he was no it's not your way but he was trying to please people by just winning that was the only indictment on his resume the reason we weren't putting in with lebron and curry is because he couldn't be lebron and curry like that's the reason we weren't putting him with LeBron and Curry is because he couldn't beat LeBron and Curry. Like, that's the reason we weren't putting him in that company reputationally. And if you're fighting the internet all the time, and the internet's always there for

you to bother you about how you're not quite good enough, I do understand how somebody would arrive at a place where he's just pissed off or bothered or less happy than he could be, less joyful than he could be. Are you basing that joy off of the slide picture? Cause I'm with you there, that was not a we. That was not, he was not happy to be. But he did seem very happy after that game to get to the final, like that seemed as happy as we've ever seen him.

Right, I don't think he's joyous at all. He just put out a mixtape and it was sounding good to me. I know a couple of his friends in real life like he's a fun guy in my opinion He just ain't gonna let you talk to him any kind of way like me I think he is publicly what are we putting on the pole is juju like Kevin Durant Kevin Durant like juju My confidence is already shattered How about was that a we?

Because it was not a we. I'm telling you. It was not a Juju. The arms are saying we! The arms are, the arms for sure are saying we. That's indisputable, but Jessica, if we can do a little bit more of a closeup on Kevin Durant's face, if we have the capacity to do that.

Only if you close up on his arms too. The arms are absolutely saying we, and it is wonderful to think of that's how Kevin Durant rides a slide, but it is the most joyful Kevin Durant photo we've ever seen, and he looks like he's not, his face does not look happy. He may have just gotten some water in his eyes, and he had to close his eyes for a second.

A photo is just a snapshot in time. We can't really know definitively if he was saying we, but we do know that he put his arms up as if to say we. Do you think Steph Curry says we when he's going down a slide? Imagine Steph going down a slide. He would not have a bitter face. We!

So was LeBron, they're all saying we. Yeah, LeBron's a we-er. Kevin, LeBron, Steph, they're all weirds. Who's going down head first, you think, on the team? Halliburton. Yeah, he didn't have to do anything, he's all refreshed. Drew Holliday might go down head first. I loved Terry's Halliburton's tweet, by the way.

What a great, when you are in the group project and you don't have to do anything and you get an A, love that. I can't believe that Stugatz hasn't objected to the news I'm about to deliver to him. I am surprised he hasn't heard about it because I don't think that he has. Hoops Hype has now said for the first time ever

that LeBron James ranks ahead of Michael Jordan on its list of weirdly the 78 greatest basketball players of all time. Had they come to that number. It's weird. It's a good man take. Lot has changed over the years listening to audience. Hey, it's Mike Ryan.

One thing that hasn't the great taste of Miller Lite. Now you know, over the course of our history doing this show, Miller Lite's kind of been there for the vast majority of it and I have been a very public-facing fan of the beverage. Why? Well, that's been up for debate for a long time, pretty much since 1975. But one thing that is not up for debate? The undebatable quality and great taste of Miller Lite. The fact that it is only 96 calories.

This is a beer that strips everything away that you don't need and holds on to what matters most. Less filling. Great taste. A light beer that tastes like beer. You don't have to choose what you like best. Miller Lite has great taste and is less filling. Tastes like Miller time! To get Miller Lite delivered right to your door, visit MillerLite.com slash Dan. Or you can find it pretty much anywhere that sells beer. Celebrate responsibly. Miller Brewing Company, Milwaukee, Wisconsin. 96 calories per 12 ounces. Fewer cows and carbs than premium regular beer. Don LeBretard!

Your history with him suggests three years of hea- Those are the heaters. Three years of heaters, but this Stugatz, my partner enlivened by a sportsman- We're having sex, baby! And Joe Mauer, yes, like this is the best version of him. What? What? Stugatz.

No, you are. Yeah. The, the, the, Stugatz. Feels good. This is the Don LeBattar Show with the Stugatz. Did anyone in the room have a, huh, when you found out that the commanders have Martavius Bryant? I definitely did. I didn't know that. Had hadn't played in six years.

That's a long way, that's a long time to be outside of football. And talk about somebody who looked the parts, Stugatz. I thought that guy physically, I thought, I know that name, not because of anything he did in the league, but because, oh, that guy's going to be great, right? Look at him. How could he not be? And so he's great enough because this takes

a special kind of athleticism to not play for six years and just end up being on a team. He played in the XFL, by the way, just to be fair. He was a great receiver over there, but I still feel what you're saying. Fair enough. I did not know, though though that Martavius Bryant was back in the league.

That was not something that had come across my radar. I wanted to ask you guys something because I read something yesterday that had to feel like a big deal for GQ Magazine. And I don't assume that GQ Magazine feels like a big deal very much these days. I don't assume that GQ magazine feels like a big deal very much these days. I don't know that anybody in magazines feels like they're a big deal these days, but they got George Clooney and Brad Pitt together in France, put them on the cover, interviewed them,

and it was an interesting interview of two movie stars late in life who care less what people think than they ever had. And it made me think, right, because the demo on this is old, but it made me wonder whether these two guys are whatever it was that Clark Gable was supposed to be in a different time. Like, are people picking up that magazine and being interested because the the the dinosaur movie stars Tom Cruise George Clooney Brad Pitt they're not gonna be around very much longer as giant movie stars No, I'm not killing them I just I think in general the movie star of that age unless he morphs into an action star doesn't get a long Sustained run after that. I feel like tom cruise is just getting started and then

put on the pole at lebatard show is tom cruise just getting started but it felt to me like i was reading something from a different time do i have that wrong the rest of you would you be interested would you pick up a i guess what i'm asking you is does george cloney and br Brad Pitt on the cover have the star power so that you would either make sure to search out a link or, and this is the greatest compliment you can give in a publishing age that is dying, buy a magazine. Does that make you buy a magazine in 2024. Dan, the only way I can crystallize the argument for you

is to say, okay, what's the opposite? If it's Timothee Chalamet and Tom Holland, do you think people are like, oh, we gotta rate that one? Yeah, I swear. Jeremy just said that. Yeah, I just said that back here. Yeah. George Clooney, Brad Pitt, whatever.

Give me a little Timothee Chalamet, all right, man, I'm in. Do you think Timothee Chalamet is an interesting person? I actually do, because he's just a Jewish kid from New York who's a theater kid who somehow became cool. I don't know how to do that, because I'm not cool. Well, you're not from New York. You are cool. Don't do that.

You're cool, brother. You're cool. Also, I know who Clark Gable is, but I think Chris was asking around the room, who is that, brother? I'm talking about movie stars from a different time speaking of which give me the status day here I got it to me I want more stats of the day and I want more people looking up stuff like this because if you thought Clark Gable was old Wait till you see what I drop on you now

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Two of them named Alona. A terrible drug problem. Back to back? Alcohol problem. Rest in power, King, for the chances. Hold on. Wasn't there a Curb Your Enthusiasm episode where Leon was going to Japan with this girl he's dating?

And he was trying to find someone with the same name because they broke up. Yeah. Is that what Villa Lugosi did? This is like Stu Gatze being buried in his Travis Matthews hat and hoodie when he dies. Put it on the pole, Juju. If you were the original Dracula, would you want to be buried in Dracula's cape?

I feel like I would. Did he have the teeth in too? Blah. Well, I also feel like you would in the event that you can come back to life and then have to be seen as presentable in public like a vampire. No, be able to turn into a bat easier.

I wanted to ask you guys about something that happened yesterday here that I was surprised at the intensity of people who were simply saying, that person is lying to you. That is a lie. The Lebatard Show likes to just talk to people who spew bullshit, and it wasn't Nate Silver. Even though many of you had a problem with Nate Silver.

It wasn't Stu Gantz. Yeah, a whole lot of people thought that Charles Barkley was full of shit saying that he could have had an offer at minimum a hundred million dollars more than what he's being paid ten years two hundred and twenty million by tnt and i'm like that's not surprising to me at all like i would think that nbc ram is on my double his salary if they were trying to get a name like that trying to get into

sports and i was just surprised by the sheer number of people not so charles comes out think about this think about what's happening here charles says all those syrupy stories about there are so many people in this family of employees we've all worked together for a long time and i heard so many heartbreaking sob stories about mortgages and children that one day in the middle of the night on a network that was inappropriate for him to do it he just retires he says i'm retiring because

he's so fed up and then he comes on yesterday and he says in the bidding for his services for nbc amazon he has been he would never gone to the sbn nbc and amazon fighting for that the rights to Charles Barkley, he says that the offers were at least a hundred million dollars better minimum. And he did it at least in part because he wanted to go back and be with those people, all of whom had a contract for another year. They all have a contract for another year so that they

would have, you know, some security for their future and he wouldn't have to hear more of those conversations. And so many people not only called him a bullshit liar they said why didn't you just take the hundred million dollars and create a fund for those two hundred employees so that you can pay them and i just was mystified by an act of generosity spoken by charles barkley not volunteered in answer to a question cuz he answers all questions that people's immediate reaction so many of them would be he's lying that's

bullshit he also turned down the live of people as well right and that was a big bag so i i believe in uh... i don't know how many people knew before he said it out loud that he was making upwards of $20 million a year on this current deal that was not signed this year. So for people like, oh, no way, did you know he was making that much already?

That's the part I think people are missing is that, yeah, this dude is the highest paid man in sports tv maybe all of television of that's not like scripted tv right so the idea that he turned down that money like i don't even flinch of course i believe them oh but i'm more interested in the examination of the other thing what's what is happening there what what is happening i know social media is an angry place i know that we are less trustful in general of any information but what is happening that would create what i thought was a surprising reaction

was which is all that's a nice story that's a nice thing to do bullshit liar i don't really have an answer all i know is that louis came in afterwards and started talking to me about his mortgage i mean it was uncomfortable i did i sent them to you by the way i mean but i i i think that people are happy they're struggling with this right now people are just struggling financially

so they hear guys are he making a lot of money say on the radio day or a podcast say say, hey, I turned down offers that were for at least $100 million more, which I believe, by the way, I do think that media outlets would pay Charles Barkley pretty much whatever Barkley wants if he was willing to leave Turner Sports. He's not, he's going to stay there. But I think people just don't want to hear that right now because

they're struggling uh to make ends meet. They're struggling on a daily basis and they don't wanna hear a guy who's already making that much money say, hey, I turned down over 100 million dollars and I did it because I care about these people. They don't wanna hear it. The internet is always gonna amplify the the most like extreme uh Stugatsi intakes too by the way. They love a take, so you're gonna see

the unfiltered, angriest replies. But I do think, since, I don't know, as long as I've been alive, people have been very cynical of wealthy people saying that they've done anything altruistically. So I think that that may just be what it is. As they should, but also, Dan, to her point, he could have said, I took the $100 million

and I created a fund to pay for the employees and someone would've said, just a hundred million? Right. Prove it. There's always another step. How much is each getting? Yeah. Bro, they hated Jesus, man.

Come on, of course they're gonna hate on Chuck. I think it's probably a combination of both of those things. Just a jet, yes, I mean, your timing's a little off today. This happens sometimes when you're off for a little bit. Your timing's a little off. Because you just steamroll past what he said. They hated Jesus.

Of course, they go, hey, Chuck. All I can think of is what kind of crucifix would they have to build to hold up Charles Barclay? That shit gotta be corrugated steel, reinforced with adamantium. He's lost weight. What an unnecessary shot we're taking right here. Oh man, the joke I could make could be so much more.

Yeah, but you didn't make it. No, but I'm not gonna make it. No, the joke he could make. That's good, that's good. I'm gonna tell y'all in the break. That's... But we stopped Dan dead in his tracks. Oh my God, well.

Like Jesus. Or Jesus. We stopped Dan dead in his tracks because we had to stop. What I steamrolled was Juju saying they hated Jesus. Of course they're gonna hate uh... truck a good point jesus has been used that way is analogy wherever there's hate since jesus

so we could have seen rolled past it we would have been okay it's the it's the comparison see what you're not understanding is that there's a disparity between what we traditionally think of Jesus Christ and his build versus that of Charles Brock. See, Jesus is usually depicted as a fairly skinny man with great abs, by the way, I might add, right? Yes, yes.

He has the V. Put it on the poll. Did Jesus have the D'Ang. But Chris is obsessed with this day. Let me explain to everybody here what happened to Chris today. We went out to Dolphins Camp. Who put me in the middle? Hold on, hold on.

Hold on. You guys are over eager today, man. You guys want to get in there before I set up anything for the audience. Excited. So we go out to Dolphins Camp yesterday and Chris Cody is sitting between Stu Gotz and extraordinarily fit people on a sofa.

And he's tucking in his shirt and people, helpful staff is coming over and moving his shirt around and he comes in today and he asks Danny, he comes, I heard this when I walked in, hey Danny, did it look like I have boobs, is the question that I heard him ask. How fat did I look yesterday really? Just, I'm not a middle guy on a couch.

I'm an end guy. Right. And they were like, get in the middle. And I was like, okay, fine. And like the whole time I'm like having to sit with my arms like straight. And a couple times Jessie, our makeup person came over and like pulled my shirt out from,

and I was just like, she obviously is seeing something she doesn't like in the camera. Like that she wouldn't come over here if it all looked good. And I'm just like, she obviously is seeing something she doesn't like in the camera, like she wouldn't come over here if it all looked good, and I'm just like, I just hate all of this. I got Jalen Phillips sitting next to me. He's just like, impossible to look good. Wait, your shirt was getting stuck in your under boot?

Yeah, like at one point she came up and like pulled my shirt out at my stomach area. Was it hot? It was outside, it was hot. Little sweat patches? I don't know. Chris, I had the same concerns. There was one point where, you know, we spoke to some dolphin players, one of them was hot. Little sweat patches? I don't know. Chris, I had the same concerns. There was one point where we spoke to some dolphin players.

One of them was two. There was a good three or four minutes where you and I didn't talk. I was sucking my stomach in the entire time. And then he turned to us. He said, are you guys going to say anything? And I let it out. There's no way that's going to come out looking flattering

for me and Chris. They couldn't even see you past me. They had to move like this. I know, I know. It was awkward. Yeah. Um, I'm sorry about that, Chris. Danny says I didn't look that fat though, so we'll see.

Stay tuned. But knowing your angles is important. That's why I always sit in this chair, and I never sit in Stugatsa's chair. Oh, the worst chair. Terrible camera angle. The worst. Dan's chair is pretty bad too. The lighting just glares so hard right there. I don't like sitting in worst chair. Terrible camera angle. The worst. Dan's chair is pretty bad too.

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listening audience hates my crying. One thing that hasn't, the great taste of Miller Lite. Now you know, over the course of our history doing this show, Miller Lite's kind of been there for the vast majority of it, and I have been a very public-facing fan of the beverage. Why? Well, that's been up for debate for a long time, pretty much since 1975. But one thing that is not up for debate?

The undebatable quality and great taste of Miller Lite. The fact that it is only 96 calories. This is a beer that strips everything away that you don't need and holds on to what matters most. Less filling, great taste. A light beer that tastes like beer. You don't have to choose what you like best. Miller Lite has great taste and is less filling. Tastes like Miller time. To get Miller Lite delivered right to your door, visit MillerLite.com slash Dan, or you can find it pretty much anywhere that sells beer. Celebrate responsibly.

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