The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Local Hour: How Did We Get Here?

Episode Date: September 19, 2025

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Zaz, you really are a voice of the fan during the game. Like, you just complain about the dolphins on the internet in the way that I feel like if the dolphin fan had one voice, it would sound a bit like

you. I don't enjoy that, though. I don't like being that guy. I'm not like that during Panther games. I'm not like that during heat games. I I don't like what the dolphins do to me. Well, what's happening there? You haven't been like that during heat games. You care about the heat and the Panthers more than you care about the dolphin.

I do. I do. But I'm more inclined to take, I'm a pretty positive dude. Like, I'm more inclined to take the positive angle when it comes to the heat and the Panthers. So I don't like that the dolphins do this to me and make me feel this way. I don't like sitting here and telling you Tua sucks. You know, like I, that doesn't bring me any.

kind of joy. I don't like being that guy. But you are that guy. I am that guy. And you're not accountable about it. You blame the dolphins for making you this person. What? Did I blame myself for making me this person? I mean, you're reasonable and you have perspective about the Panthers and the heat, even though you called Paul Maurice the murderer of fun when he got here. Yeah, but I, well, did he not murder our fun for most of that season? I was right until I was wrong. Can we admit that? That is. can put that on basically any sports radio host, Doomstone.

I mean, parents murder fun and, like, you got to eat vegetables. That's right. Even though it's good for you, that's what Paul Maurice did. He did what was best for the situation, and in the end, there was fun, but on the way up, there was no fun. Yeah, it was growing pains. Yeah. I didn't know it at the time, but he was right.

Mm-hmm. And I got no problem admitting that. How great is that? To be able to admit this. To be able to say, I was wrong about something. I have no problem admitting when I'm not. wrong. I'd love that about you. Especially, thank you.

I love that about me too, actually. I've evolved. The thing about what you're saying, though, is you can admit you're wrong when you're the two-time defending Stanley Cup champion. That's a pretty high bar to get you to admit that you're wrong.

And you're wrong in a way that's so spectacular that you have, you put the butt right in the middle of rebuttal. How crazy. If you would have like talked to me as I was lying, sprawled on the grass outside of the former Orange Bowl, presently Marlins Park, after Butch Davis and FIU defeat Jaron Williams, who, let's just say, was a little off for reasons that I know but won't talk about.

Oh. It's hot. If you would have told me several years after that, that Miami would be hosting college game day and a Florida Panther would be the game day picker, I would have said there's no way we can actually climb that mountain. It's too high for both the Miami Hurricanes and hockey. I would say it'd be more likely that the Florida Panthers were playing in Hamilton. I know no one's going to agree with this. Kind of a lame game day picker. Get the hell out of you. Kiss my ass. It's a lame man. Kiss Roy's ass. I know exactly why they're doing this and I will tell you after the break. Matthew Kachuk is a bad pick. That show has gone down to the standard of Stugats has done the guest picking. You're going to say

Kachuk is a bad thing. It's close to the same level, honestly. He's giving his body for this city. This is the Dan Levatore show with the Stucats podcast. The fatal flaw in this Miami Dolphins team and organization is that that is the best game that team can play. That is the most careful. the best on third and fourth down that that team can be. They are trying to work around their limits and they lose by 10 points against the bills.

And frankly, I've got to be honest, I thought I was watching religious miracles every time the defense made a stop in the second half. Because I thought the whole game was going to go the way that the first half went where James Cook is just running for nine yards every time they hand him the foot. They almost had three straight force puns. I was stunned that they got the stops. stunned that they were in the game. You cannot blame that game on McDaniel. Many people will blame it on Zach Seeler or Tua. Those are the two people they're going to blame. Searle seemed like McDaniel blame Tula. I'm not going to blame Zach Seeler for a couple of different reasons, okay? I thought the only way they could win that game is if they got

turnovers or special teams explosion plays. And Zach Seeler was trying to make a play as somebody who you actually trust on the Dolphins, even though this was an amazing stat going into the game. The Dolphins were the only team in the league going into that game that had not had a single pressure from an interior defensive lineman. Not one in the first two games of the season against offenses that weren't the one that they faced last night. I want to give you guys a series of stats, though,

and ask you which one you think is the most interesting or wish to talk about, okay? In one-score games with five minutes left, Tua has seven touchdowns, seven interceptions, and a quarterback rating a little bit over 70. The Dolphins have now lost 14 of 17 and eight in a row against teams with a winning record. Last night, Tua threw as many passes behind the line of scrimmage as he did in front of the line of scrimmage. And that was both quarterbacks last night because you want to guess as. Take a guess at what the average air yards per completion was last night for both quarterbacks. Both quarterbacks combined, take a guess, average air yards every football throw.

Definitely pathetic. Something low. I don't think you know how pathetic. Guess as low as you want to guess. I think you're going to get it wrong, even as I'm telling you, guess on the extreme low. Definitely pathetic, so I'm going to go four yards. 1.4 yards per completion. So pathetic.

Late in the third or fourth, two was at negative five. That's bad. So, I mean, but Tyreek also had a ball hit both of his hands, like 40 yards down the field that he just dropped. Yeah. I'm worried about Tyreek Hill. You need a play there. I'm worried about the Dolphin offense for a number of different reasons, okay? Because you mentioned the Tyreek Hill play.

There were two things said last night during the game that made me laugh. I was watching that game alone. I rarely laugh. You know any dolphin friends? Yeah. I have dolphin friends, but I have dolphin friends. I wanted to watch that game alone. Did you tell Valerie get out of the room?

Valerie went to a concert at the hard rock last night for her brother's birthday. Who was it? The band, what is it, Cage and the Elephant? Cage The Elephant. Yeah. Cache the elephant. I don't know the name of the band. I came close.

Mike is laughing at me for not knowing Cage the Elephant. No, he's laughing at me because I actually know that band. Yeah, that's impressive. Cage and the Elephant sounds like something a black market arms dealer would find himself in that situation. It sounds like a Nicholas Cage movie, too. So I want to, though, because you're right, Hill dropped, it was a 50-yard pass, and it was one of the few, it was one of the few throwed down the field. It would have changed that stat I just gave you because they made Josh Allen into something last night

that Patrick Mahomes has become, which is, oh, you're going to take away my entertainment, too. They're going to score 31 points, but it's not going to be fun to watch them score the 31 points. But two stats they gave, Al Michaels said, Hill, Tyreek Hill, having a big game, and then gave the stats five catches for 46 yards, which used to be a catch for him back in the glory days of the dolphins two years ago. But this was the funniest stat. The funniest stat was when he says, and Tua gets to 100 yards on the night.

He's been very solid tonight, very good with his decision-making, on his 26th attempt of the evening. This was deep in the fourth quarter when Tua got to 100 yards. The dolphins played a game. that was close, that surprised us. But I really did think the beginning of the game was how the whole game was going to go, where Mike

McDaniel was going to get fired in the third quarter because they just kept handing the ball to James Cook, and he got a first day. He put him in second and won every time he carried the football. It was chunk yards every play. The Dolphins were leading at the beginning of the game. It was 7-0. They went right down the field I know, but the bills hadn't touched the football

yet, and I believe that the thing that's going to nuke this entire dolphin season isn't the offense. I believe it's going to be the defense. I don't believe they're going to be able. The second half is the first time they've stopped anybody all season. They do historically play the bills tight under Mike McDaniel. They just never beat the bills and that was apparent yesterday. Mike McDaniel initially blamed Tua for the interception. Quarterback has to take the responsibility there, but we all have to be better, kind of softened it, knew what he was saying as it was happening. It's a couple

weeks in a row that he's pulled that move. Yeah, there's a couple encouraging things for Tua. We said when you made the point, like, this guy doesn't make things happen. There were a couple of instances there where he made things happen with his legs, rolled out, found Tyreek Hill. So that was encouraging, but just a back-breaking interception with your season on the line. You just can't do that. I don't think this guy's good. It's six years in.

I think I'm ready to make a judgment call. And I also have to take into account the head injuries, the hip injury. I just don't think that this is a franchise quarterback. That's the part I have a problem with is what you said there. and Greg said that at the beginning of the week as well when we're talking about, there were encouraging signs from Tua. He's in year six. Like, what are we talking about?

Like, we're still growing. This was encouraging that he did. He's in year six. What are we talking about? I think it's actually been a discouraging season for Tua. I don't think this looks like the same guy that they gave the contract to. And even then there were questions as to whether or not he was deserving of that contract and was a franchise quarterback.

He seems to have regressed. And maybe it's Tua, maybe it's Tariq Hill, maybe it's the play calling. I don't know. But even when that pass, the Tariq killed dropped that hit him in both hands, he was double-covered and Tua just heave that up there, hoping that something miraculous would happen. With Tariq and Tua, you don't see Tariq getting behind the cornerbacks or the safeties anymore and he just has to lob it over their heads.

Every long pass he's had to Tariq has either been underthrown or the defenders are right there with Tariq. The one long completion this year was, severely under threat. Yeah, it's just the two of them are not what they were clearly two years ago when this offense was clicking on all cylinders. They were on the game tying

touchdown at the end of the game where he threw the ball before Tyreek Hill made his break. The play you're talking about, the 50 yard play, you need Tyreek Hill to make that play because you're paying him to be neighbors. Like whether you're covered or not, if you're the only one touching the ball, whether you're double covered or not, you were in position

to make that play and it went through your hands. Easy for me to say. I understand. that that's, you know, it's not the easiest catch, but when you look at Tyreek Hill and what you're expecting from him and Tua, your highest paid players have to make the game-winning plays. And you guys don't disagree with the assessment, do you? That's the best that, this Dolphins team, that's the best that it can play. And when you say there's something wrong with Tua, maybe there is, okay, but I thought Waddle was a number one receiver or on his way to becoming a number one receiver a couple of years ago. I thought that Tyreek Hill and Waddle

those statistical games that they had for the game, that was a quarter a couple of years ago. What they did for the game was one quarter of Dolphin football a couple of years ago. So when we talk about it, you guys disagree when I say, hey, that's the best they can be on third and fourth down. If you think you're going to get 16 play drives that keep Josh Allen off the field, like that was a well-coached football game last night. And I want to talk again about the Zach Seeler play because I understand it's very easy, very easy. to criticize the result there, and you can't have that as the result. It's fourth and seven. You can't have a roughing the kicker.

Zach Seeler blew up the long snapper, just exploded through the long snapper and thought he was going to be able to make a play on a block punt. And people forget because they're outraged by the stupidity, or what they think is the stupidity of trying your very best to make a hustle play, that the bills down that ball at the one-yard line. You felt real good about Tua going down the field from his own end zone there? You like that better than they scored a touchdown and now you're trailing. Granted, it's not the ideal starting spot, but yeah, you'd take that over giving up a touchdown and starting at the 20.

Agreed, but I'm not going to criticize one of their best and most solid players for blowing up the long snapper. There's a bullshit call, honestly. Like, he did not go within 10. He didn't wrap him and drive him to the ground. It's just big. Like, the kicker fell on him. He touched his foot a little bit, and then he fell on him. It's a little flop situation.

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Stugats Football This is the Dan Levitar This is the Dan Levitar show With the Stugats You guys mentioned the interception, and I know, I know that it, when it happened, we're all like, oh, my God, how could you do that? How could you do that?

I mean, how could you not do it? Who didn't see that coming? Well, that throw, I know that people expected the worst because of what they've seen late in games from the Dolphins, but throwing a ball straight to a linebacker you didn't see four yards down the field. The reason that happened is because the offensive. line in the center, just whiffed on the block. And so that's pressure right up the middle. He was getting rid of the ball in two seconds because he had to. And that's how the mistake got

made. I know we're going to blame to on that, but there aren't a lot of quarterbacks who are going to have much of a chance. If they can't be mobile, if they can't run away from pressure, untouched pressure right up the middle, not a lot of quarterbacks are going to make a good throw there. So Tua yesterday, when I checked it, which was like in the third quarter, because I've been curious about this all season long. Tua, the past couple seasons, has had the fastest time between when he receives the ball and he throws the ball. And those quick decisions has been kind of the difference and why things are moving so fast because that's how they get all the yards, right? It seems as though he's had more time to throw the ball this season and it has had a negative

effect because then he starts looking at different options. It could be the number one option is covered or whatever, but it seems like the more time Tua has, the worse the results have been. And yesterday he had the ball longer than Josh Allen did at the beginning or at least through the third quarter. He had like three seconds before he was making the passes. So then he starts looking around and then that's when you can go back to week one after the Steelers game where they were saying, you know what? If you take away his first look, he panics and he starts making bad decisions. That could be what's going on.

He's not snapping out right away, which the past couple seasons he's been the fastest to get the ball and pass it. This is what I was talking about, I think, yesterday where he's not capable of making the special plays making the improvisational plays and more to your point there if everything is not put on the table for him to perfection where hey this is your first option this is what we'd really like you to go and if it's not there all right you go through your progressions he doesn't seem to be good at that part if everything is not laid out in front of him right away and then he has to make the extra decisions he doesn't seem to be good at i don't think that's fair criticism off of last night. No, no. I'm not looking at it just in the context last night. But what happened last

night in the fourth quarter, he put you in a position to win the game because that 16 play drive had those plays in it. And that's as good as that offense can be. They can't do it in one or two plays anymore. It's got to be 16. If he's going to throw as many passes behind the line of scrimmage as ahead of the line of scrimmage, how did we get there? That was crazy. How did we get there? Swing passes to the flats. And how poor the execution was, I thought Ingold was a good player. I mean, he can't win a one-on-one blocking assignment anymore. If he did that play that you're talking about, which is throwing it to A. Chan's seven yards behind the line of scrimmage.

If Ingold had made a block there, that's a 30-yard play. It happened a couple of times where, you know, there's one or two guys and you either need a combination of A-chan making a play and Ingold making a block or just Ingold making a block or A-chan making a play. It just was stifled pretty much all game long with the exception of a 15-yard swing route. But it was just, it was painful to watch at times. It was painful to watch. It was screen after screen after screen. I just don't understand. You pay the quarterback.

He's getting $55 million a year. And like, that's the offense? How did we get here? I'm not seeing what they're seeing. Right. It's hard because we're watching on TV and you can't see down the field. I don't have the old 22. Alan Kirk are saying that there's nothing available in the middle of the field.

But this is where your high-priced quarterback makes the plays with his feet. And there were a couple of signs there. But then you look across the other sideline and you realize, well, when there is nothing because both quarterbacks were dealing with this, as Dan pointed out, you know Josh Allen is going to make the plays consistently, and for Tua, it seems like an outlier. And, and after, like, let's just use as an example, after the Sealer penalty, tie game mid-fourth quarter, Josh Allen doesn't throw the interception.

And if we want to, like, you could blame Seeler was a huge penalty, we could talk about whatever we want there. But I think it's fair criticism. can the quarterback who's paid $200 million make a game-winning drive in a big spot for once? We could say that the center didn't do what he was supposed to do on that play, and it led to the interception and the linebacker picked it off. Like, okay, but how about every other game that he can't seem to lead a game-winning drive against a good team?

Dan, you started the show giving up the numbers where the Dolman's never beat good teams. It's fair criticism to say, hey, there are all these other things that are going on wrong this game, but we need you to win us the game. When is that going to happen? The weird thing is, is on that last drive where he threw the interception, it wasn't as many of the behind the line of scrimmage screen passes. They were actually trying to move the ball down the field, six, seven yard passes, but it wasn't that screen pass. It wasn't effective. There was also a bunch of like three and outs that happened where it was just three straight passing yards, three straight screen passes, or one like third and ten. And let me try to throw it

12 yards here, where when they were bringing in Ollie Gordon, they were trying to run the ball, they were having more success, I think, than they thought they were going to have, and that's where the drives were starting, where they were involving the run game. I don't know why they keep doing the screen passes every single time. A long time ago, Jimmy Johnson, Super Bowl Cowboys, was asked, why don't you guys do more screen passes with Emmett Smith and stuff in your offensive line. And he stared at the reporter and just said, we're not good at it. So that's your explanation. Like, they're not, they're not playing that way for any other reason that they're trying to protect their flaws and be safe and be careful. But the last drive, they were effective

not doing that. Like, they've become too reliant on let's throw it to Achan and hope he makes a 40-yard play out of a negative five-yard pass. Agreed. The opposite is happening. McDaniel on the offense, clearly. And from what we've seen from A. Chan, could receiving back, like, they are supposed to be good at it. Buffalo was all over it. And like Xavier and Howard said, when you take away the first option, what do you got? Munson. It also screws them on its first and 10. You try the first play of the drive to do a screen pass. There's a blown coverage and now it's second and 17. And now it's an uphill battle and how do you get out of that? Well, they did get out of it. They had a second and third and 17. A couple times they got out of it. But there was other three

and outs where they couldn't get out of it. I don't even like this team and I sound pissy. I'm going to say again that I believe that That's the best this Dolphins team can play, and losing to the builds that way is no shame. Listen to some of these stats, okay? The bills threw three games this season. Three and O record, 100 plus points scored, zero turnovers, fewer than 15 penalties, more than 150 rushing yards a game, and more than 250 net passing yards a game. Never, in NFL history, has any team ever done that over a third. three game span. Never. It's never happened before. You actually neutralize the MVP of the league. The idea that I'm in here today and I'm three passing touchdowns. I mean,

come on. Let's let's be honest. All right, Billy. They're looking forward to 10 days off. All right, Billy. They're walking through that one. You look, I got a text during the game from this. Josh Allen just looks bored today. He's got a broken nose, wearing a visor for the first time. How many flip passes did he try? Oh my God, that guy. Josh was literally joshing out there. Josh Allen, regular season against the Dolphins, 13 and 2, 8 and 0 at home, 45

total touchdowns, 8 interceptions. But I gave you the stat earlier, and I'm just stunned by it. Next-gen stats. Josh Allen and 2a combined to average 1.5 air yards per completion, lowest mark in a game since 2016. So your eyes aren't

deceiving you. That's the most boring offensive game throwing the football down the field in 10 years. So boring. Yeah, but like, it was by design, I think, by the bill. You think the bills are what? They're scared of the dolphin's secondary. You think if Josh Allen got the ball down three from his 20-yard line,

he wasn't going to be airing out down field cutting up the dolphins? Secondary didn't make plays, I will say. You think it was by design? Yeah, that throw to Kincaid. It was a crazy throw. Kincaid should have had three touchdowns last night. Tony's Parlay from God hit. I know.

I woke up to that. That was great. You played it? Of course. When you get a parlay from God, you play it. Alan attempted only one pass over 10 yards in the air. Like, that's not how he plays. And you think that wasn't designed for him to not make a pass?

It was that Kincaid pass? That was the only attempt? He only had 10 air yards. Like I said, Tua completed as many passes behind the line of scrimmage has passed it, but Allen attempted only one pass over 10 air yards. That's nuts. Is it not possible that Josh Allen got to the building at the beginning of the week and said, guys, we're playing the Dolphins?

Like, what's the least amount of work I can do? Let's just work on stuff. My nose is jacked up. Like, let's make this an easy week. Guys, it was tied with seven minutes left in the fourth order. I'm playing with their food. Come on. They were in control.

And they were playing to. This was the Bill's plan to get Zach Seeler on a fourth and seven to rough their punter. That was the plan? I look. And punter seemed to flop on that. I think maybe with a high game. In a tie game. Okay.

You think that this game would have ended differently? Like, you think that there was a doubt? You think that the... Was there a moment in the game where you said to yourself, I think the Dolphids are going to win this game? Oh, Josh Allen shook with his 134 QBR here. What Dan's describing is quite literally what happened, which is the bill's sleptwalk through that game.

And they pulled out a double-digit. And guess what? When it was time to win the game, their quarterback won them the game. Let me find Shakir, trustee. And when the Dolphins needed their quarterback to try and win the game, he doesn't see a linebacker and throws an interception. to talk about this team.

This is it. The season's over. Yes, their own three. I don't know. They're Owen three. I know it's an expanded NFL schedule and stats are, we're still collecting data on what it means to be Owen three. Next two weeks of get back games, man.

You host the Jets, then at the Panthers. Chargers is going to be. Wow, that's Monday night football. A little tricky. Okay. Then the Browns at the Browns. Oh, they can go on. Falcons, we're still not sure here.

Ravens is where things get dicey. Let's say you get here, one, two, three. You rack off here. Four Stray wins? You have a winning record at the Falcons. There was a bit of news in that Stephen Ross likes Mike McDaniel, doesn't want to fire him. That's pretty obvious. And he said, like, reportedly, the only way he'd consider firing Mike McDaniels is if the fans stop showing up to the building or the team looks like they'd check out. Team didn't look checked out. They put forth one of their best efforts. Dan says that's about as good as they can possibly look. So it seems as though Mike McDaniel is safe. So now we turn our attention to Tyree Kill, Greer. And perhaps, Tua. I had someone float this by me, and I'm asking you guys your thoughts on this, because we've been sitting on it for a couple of days. Where are we on the Brian Flores lawsuit?

Do we know? I saw a couple of things yesterday in headlines. That was the second headline that caught my attention yesterday, because he says, his attorney is saying that they're stalling, that the league is stalling on the lawsuit. But the other headline I saw that I don't know if Mike can help me explain some of this, perhaps before the end of the show, someone can explain this headline to me, but it was a stunner to see right next to the

Flores story. Witness in long-delayed University of Miami murder case is not dead was the headline. Is not dead. ESPN reporters. This is how we're going to decide to break down the Gators canes? Yes, it was a tragic thing. We can dig into the Gators' sorted history when it comes to Murder. I'm just saying Roy's look, Roy has the proper look on his face with what is that story? Witness in Long Delayed University of Miami murder case is a patta. Is not dead. Just to close the loop on the Brian Flores question for a second.

The reason I ask that is because that lawsuit has implications of racial discrimination. And Stephen Ross is named in this lawsuit. and while you're implicated in a lawsuit involving racial discrimination, is it easy to fire your black GM and biracial head coach while claiming that you are not involved in discrimination? Get the hell out of here. And I said, dicey situation. Get out of here.

I do like this as a topic for someone else. I had forgotten that Mike McDaniel was biracial until you mentioned that. We talked about it the first week he was hired and then never mentioned it. It's hard that next two fires. also, you know, black. Say there's not a pattern there. Oh, this is it. The day you finally ask for that big promotion.

You're in front of your mirror with your Starbucks coffee. Be confident. Assertive. Remember eye contact. But also, remember to blink. Smile, but not too much. That's weird. What if you aren't any good at your job?

What if they dim out you instead? Okay, don't be silly. You're smart. You're driven. You're going to be late if you keep talking to the mirror. This promotion is yours. Go get him. Starbucks, it's never just coffee.

Oh, hi, buddy. Who's the best? You are. I wish I could spend all day with you instead. Uh, Dave, you're off mute. Hey, happens to the best of us. Enjoy some goldfish cheddar crackers. Goldfish have short memories.

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Don Lebertard. We didn't get to your guys as against the spread. You're right, you're right, you're right. I don't have it against the spread because I wasn't prepared for this segment. You need an Ian in your life. You have actively played defense against me today in a way that has rarely been this undercutting. Stugats. Defense wins championships, baby.

That's show business. This is the Dan Levitar show with the Stugats. Which of these stats that I gave you guys from all of them? Because I'm going to give you another one here. Tua is now 2 and 14 away from home against winning teams, which is the second worst mark for any quarterback in the last decade. I gave you a whole bunch of bad stats. Is there one among all of them that you guys found most interesting?

Because all of them are damning. Yeah, they're never beating good teams. The never beating good teams. winning teams are not something that they can beat. They've lost 14 of their last 17 and 8 in a row against teams with a winning record. They never beat teams over 500. The last time they felt good was when they all snowed us with that six touchdown performance to come back against the Ravens where they were throwing the ball down the field.

Can I ask you guys again, though, as we talk about Tua, like Waddle skating. Hill's not going to skate, but Waddle skating. That is a very high pick. Like, that was picked to make sure you get pieces to help the piece that you have, right? Jacksonville's tried to load up, trying to help Trevor Lawrence to cover Trevor Lawrence's flaws. You got two top picks, first round picks at wide receiver that way. That's supposed to look like what the Eagles look like in their prime when they've got two number ones. Like, you take a receiver in the top 10, he's got to be a number one.

Like, he's got to feel and play like a number one. one and Waddle hasn't for a long time like you forget about Waddle for long stretches of time during those football games. But Waddle plays like we've seen Waddle look like a number one wide receiver and Waddle and Hill too for that matter but Waddle like he he's dependent on other things happening in order for him to produce. He is skating a bit though. He did give it a go and he scored a touchdown. He is playing hurt. He's been hurt. He's always hurt man. The wind blows in that guy's on the sideline for like three plays. He's so frustrating. He could be so good, but like, everything seems to keep him off the field for some reason. He doesn't have good

size for the sport. That's absolutely so. In terms of frame, like that doesn't look like you can take a hit. He's bigger than Tyreek Hill who stays out there? I mean, but Tyreek Hill's are built different. The three key pieces that they have on offense, though, are all undersized to Hill and Waddle. Like, this is part of why it is they get soft. None of them are A.J. Brown. None of them look. Gordon's got good size. I like that. I think they found one in Gordon.

I found myself getting mad throughout the game, that the game was close. Not because I sat here and, you know, O'Pine. Because you wanted to be right. We get it. No, I don't know. Yeah, we get it. You'd rather your team lose. You don't know what's going on in my mind.

You want to be right at the detriment of your city and your team. You don't know what thoughts are happening here. The thoughts in your heart? Yeah, you bet. Yeah, you know what? I do have thoughts in my heart. We established in the Shadow Show. He likes admitting when he's wrong, too.

Yeah, I know. I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong. You think you don't know me, all right? You'll know me. Okay. Okay. Go on your heart. What was your point, sir?

Go on. Do you forget? Okay. As I was saying, lost my train of thought. He does that. He does that. Try it to stall a little bit there.

I noticed. And he didn't come back to me. It's what he does. You were upset that your team, your team was keeping the game close. Yes. Now I have to do my job. your brain's job. He does know what's

going on in your head and he keeps track of it unlike you. That's a good job out of you Billy. So you're sad your team was keeping it close. No, it's been built up too much. I'm abandoning the thoughts. No, we really want the idea. It's been built up too much.

Give it to us. Please. Come on. Please. We want the thought in your heart. Come on. Can we move on? Please. I'm begging to move on. Zaslow Talk about those dead witnesses

Yeah, let's go there I really want it I got something on this He's not dead guy is not dead No he's not dead It's not a dead witness You don't know the facts That are in my heart

Shame Shame on you Get the facts Undead witnesses Zombie witnesses Shame on you Miracal What do you mean shame on me?

Shame on you Like that's how you Like you got college game day in town You got Fowler and Herbie On the call Kach's gonna be there Hach's gonna be the celebrity picker

Which is gonna be electric A lot of people are upset about this. A lot of people that don't follow hockey, I guess. Why? I don't know. I mean, you got the most hated player in the league, but beloved. I am not lying.

He's the best American hockey player. I am not lying when I say in this market. And think who's come to this market. In terms of immediate impact on the playing surface, Matthew Kachuk is tied with LeBron James. And it wasn't exactly like LeBron turned the fortunes of a franchise around. He made the sport matter.

So you could argue the most impactful athlete in terms of acquisition in the history of this market is Matthew Kachuk. It's the best trade in South Florida history. Ooh, it's definitely Panthers, best trade overall? Of course, it has to be. Like, the worst one is Miguel Cabrera and the best one has to be Kachuk. What about Shaq? I mean, it was a good one, but Shaq was the second most important player on that championship team. Shaq didn't make it to the finals his first year.

Matthew Kachuk made it to the finals his first year and lost, like LeBron. And then went back to back, like LeBron. It's LeBron and Matthew Kachukh in terms of immediate impact. And when you consider the franchise's history and inability to get over the hump, it's Matthew Kachuk when you apply that context. Technically in the books that LeBron, a decision was a trade. Nah, we all know that's not a trade. Ended up being a bad trade because he didn't end up.

Yes, this is a take. Acquiring LeBron was a bad trade because you actually gave up assets and he didn't extend. They were still paying off those assets while he played for Cleveland. Right. He helped rebuild the Cleveland Cavs. You can't say that was a bad trade. Bad trade. You can't say it was a bad trade.

Any time you're still paying off a trade when the player's not with anymore. It's bad trade. It also didn't live up to expectations, if we're going to be honest. No. They didn't win not four, not five, not six, not seven. Bust of an experiment, really. Really, it is. And let's not pretend like Chris Bosch and Dwayne Wade in their prime one and a one.

You go wherever you want, LeBron. Go to Chicago. Go to the Knicks. You think you're beating Chris Bosch, Dwayne Wade, and whatever Pat Riley, uses to build out the rest of that roster? Let me tell you. Don't forget, greatest free agent signing, Luwoldang. Luwoldang?

Law dang. Bosch and Wade get won. I don't know. Bosch and Wade get one. People forget how freaking good Dwayne Wade was. You know about Gawangich? What was his deal? He was always just hanging around, milling about at the arena, making it seem like he

wanted to play here. And every chance he got to come back, he's like, no, I'll go somewhere else instead. What was his deal? You know about Zoran, Dragich? I'm sorry that this is a delayed penalty. A minor penalty, two minutes, dumpster juice, take. Mike, out. Mike?

You can't say LeBron James was a bad trade. You can't say that. And then follow it up with, you know personally, in your heart, that Chris Bosch and Dwayne Wade would have certainly won a title. Get out of here. How do you know in your heart they wouldn't? I get no points for my amazing Matthew Kachuk take that no one else had. No points.

You get out of here because it's a dump. Thanks. Great talking Gators, Cain. Well, if you wanted to talk, a witness in a long-delayed University of Miami murder case is not dead if you wanted to talk about that. I don't understand how it is that if you read that headline, you don't keep reading. Like, that headline, ESPN reporters knocked on a dude's door. The police, when they were investigating Brian Padda's murder, thought that one of the witnesses was dead, and he's not dead. He's just old, doesn't come out of his house much, and now doesn't remember the details because it's been so long,

and he's in his 80s, but that's a shocking headline. Yeah, that makes you go, that's right. Thank you, Roy. That's absolutely what your reaction is supposed to be to that. How do you decide the man's dead? Did no one knock on his door? Like, hey, he's like, you know, Ken there? Like, no, he's not there.

Oh, dead. Must be dead. No solicitors. How is that decided? There are no debt certificate somewhere? I like the idea if you capture someone, they're not home about dead. I mean, it seems to be what I have. I must be dead.

I don't know. It seems to be an investigation that wasn't very thorough. But somehow the bills will pay it on time. Another Zadzlo snort, our second historic snort from Zadzlo laughing. Zazlo, again, continues to get ego inflation because more and more people are noticing his opinions. They're noticing the things that he's doing. He's going to be a part of college game day's football extravaganza in Miami this weekend as part of ESPN. I didn't think you remember their name.

You got it right. Yeah. ESPN Radio's coverage of UM Gators, but also, and this is not going to help disinflate his head, now Paul Maurice is indeed giving Zaslow the credit for ending a vacation early to rescue the Panthers last year when they were. Nobody remembers this, but they were in very big trouble against the Maple Leafs. Like that was a big, they were down and it was a really problematic situation. In the last two years, there hasn't been a scarier situation, even with McDavid, than being down to Toronto. in overtime, down 2-0 in the series.

And down 2-0 in that game, by the way, too. And here's Paul Maurice giving Zaslo the credit that he obviously deserves. That's the great stories of here. And then when you can get like grandparents' parents and a kid that are all tied to that, they get to keep that memory for the rest of their lives. And that's how you build fans. We had that happen here with ESTRA Radio at ESPN West Palm. One of our guys, Jonathan Zaslow, cut his family vacations short.

There you go. Because when he was at all. Y'all winning. When he got hit the row, y'all got a couple of lost in there. And you will... Okay. So first of all, what was his name? Jonathan? Will you tell Jonathan, I said, well, and thank you very much for that, because this all weaves together. Thank you for your service, Zaslo.

Yes. Thank you. I think you should be the game day picker instead of Matthew Kachuk because you saved the season, and even though that's the biggest trade in history and forced Mike to say that LeBron James was a bad trade. Bad trade. Zaslo, I think he should pay. the drum. Bang the drum. Well, first of all, coach, you're welcome. I appreciate those guys, my guys there at ESPN 1063 in West Palm, not also mentioning to him that I once dubbed him

murder of fun. That's good looking out. I appreciate that. I would love to bang the drum. We'll see that's neither here nor there. That clip there makes me very happy, Dan. Very happy. Did you feel bad at all that he didn't initially know who was being talked about there? I'm a fan. No, I'm just a fan. no you're not just a fan you're somebody who cut a vacation short to save your team just did my part just just doing my part for the team and and and hey you all would have done the same thing I'm not sure that we all wasn't traveling at the time but I certainly would have because I love this team and I love Paul Maurice even though I also agreed with you at the time but now I realize that it's growing pains and we're both big men that can admit when they were wrong I love that team

I love that about us so I just I love that about us too I just I just I just I just want to be clear on what you guys love about you, just to be clear. So, for the record, two-time defending champion Paul Maurice is the murderer of fun, and LeBron James was a bad trade for the Miami. Now is a good time to remember where tequila's story truly began. In 1795, Cuervo invented tequila. Quervo. What are you doing here?

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