The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Local Hour: I Know Exactly What Charlotte Pickles Looks Like

Episode Date: April 18, 2025

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Yeah, it's Easter, right? Well, it's Good Friday, Easter's on Sunday. Yeah, a couple days from now. I have a question about Good Friday. Sure. Why are we so somber? Like, I remember, you know, as a kid, you used to not do anything. Look, I get why.

Well, remember, we don't know what happens. No, but we do know what happens. But I know we do know what happens. We don't know. It's a happy ending. He comes back a couple days later. It happens every time. Spoiler alert.

Spoiler alert. So you haven't heard this story. Jeez. That's what I want to do on Good Friday is go around and tell people, hey, you don't have to be sad. Sunday, going to be awesome. Every Friday. A big rabbit, it's going to be amazing.

Every Friday is Good Friday to me. That's got to be. If you're Jesus, right, there's two big days, right? Christmas and Easter, right? And they're like, oh, everyone's going to be so. That's gotta be, if you're Jesus, right, there's two big days, right? Christmas and Easter, right? And they're like, oh, everyone's gonna be, that's nice, that's awesome. So how are they celebrating me? Well, on Christmas, we all just kinda like

worship this big fat red guy. Who will- Give each other presents. Right. Big ass tree. So Jesus is like, okay, a little weird, but like hey, I'm all for the spirit of giving. All right, what about Easter?

Like Easter, everyone wants to be super psyched. Well. Brunch. We get a big rabbit, and we hide eggs, and then we go to brunch. And you're just like. Makes perfect sense. So like, I don't come up in any of this?

Not nothing, not a shout out, nothing? I mean, sometimes people go to church on that day, but it's really about the chocolates in the grass. And the brunch. And the brunch. And the brunch. And the brunch. Chicken and waffles. This Monday, bad Monday.

Cause all Mondays stink, all Fridays are good. That's what I'm doing. That's the game I'm playing. Sunday scares. The Church of Chris Cody. Yeah, oh man. The gospel of Chris Cody. I don't wanna play that game.

I'll tell you what, the pancake breakfast always on point at the Church of Chris Cody. It's going to be especially on point this Easter. Why is that? I was talking about hiding Eggs in the grass. Mm-hmm. It's 420 Wow different kind of chocolate this brunch is going to hit oh my god church might be a little bit fun, too That yeah, I come with this, hold on now. The church of Chris Cody just shows up baked to give the sermon.

Amen. Sermon's four hours long, by the way, because it just keeps rambling. We were talking about this before the show because Jeremy was talking about Passover and how he learned about Passover was from Rugrats? Yeah, the Rugrats Passover episode. For every young Jewish kid, this was a cultural moment, being shown Rugrats Passover for the first time. I think it came out the year I

was born, but the Pickles family, which is unsurprising based off the name, Jewish. And Tommy Pickles and co, his grandfather, the way that that story goes, I think they all get trapped in an attic, which is ironic, and they end up hearing the story of Passover for the first time from their grandfather, who has a thick Russian accent and animated, however you think an animated Jewish grandfather looks, that's what he looks like. Speaking of 420, Stew Pickles, that dude did drugs.

The dad? To cope for the depression. He was like a scientist, right? He was always like working on something in the garage. No, he was just smoking weed. Did he have purple hair? Yeah, he had purple hair. He was always frantic.

Yeah, I was a Chucky guy. I loved Chucky. Always scared. Chucky was the ginger. Yeah. He's the star of the show. Yeah, he really is. I don't like how you, you know, the hard E-R there. Ginger.

Ginger, yeah. The, uh, but- Man, it's not Jamaican. Ginger. The Passover Rugrats episode got me thinking about another animated show that, you know, these shows are all, you know, me and Izzy, we're already like too old for those shows, so we kind of just see them,

but not really into it. No, I watched the Rugrats. Did you? As a fully formed adult. For real? It's a great show. It is. It taught you a lot.

I mean, look at what you're seeing on the screen right now. I'm still looking at an actual Torah, and in that episode, you know, the Maccabees, it was a Maccababies gotta do what a Maccababies gotta do. One of my first crushes was Angelica Pickles' mom, Charlotte Pickles. I feel like that says a lot about your psyche. Hold on. And I kinda like it.

Can you guys pull up what she looks like? Pull up Angelica Pickes, Charlotte Pickles. I know exactly what Charlotte Pickles looks like. OK, my man, fist me. While they pull this up, so I was telling Jeremy, as a father, I try to get my kids into these, when they were younger, into these different shows and stuff.

And so I remember when my oldest was like two years old, I was like, I hear about VeggieTales, VeggieTales, VeggieTales. I'm like, OK. VeggieTales? Yeah, like, oh, I guess VeggieTales. OhgieTales, VeggieTales, I'm like, okay. VeggieTales? Yeah, like, oh, I guess VeggieTales. Oh, come on, this is not her. Come on, we can do better than this.

Get the full picture here, come on, guys. We're talking about a body. What do you mean full picture? I know exactly what you mean by full picture. Don't keep digging. So I started watching VeggieTales with my kid, my kid, my oldest, because I was like, oh, this is cool. My kid will learn about vegetables

and will like vegetables and stuff. And then like 20 minutes in, I was like oh this is cool my kid will learn about vegetables and like will like vegetables and stuff and then like 20 minutes in on my huh and then I realized oh VeggieTales was like a Christian show like a very quick, yes you guys didn't know that? I had no idea. I just thought it was just like broccoli talking and stuff no no no and so I was like like, oh, this is like religious programming. Oh, wow. Now we're talking. How old are you, Chris? I was like seven.

You should almost say I was 27 years old. I was like, me likey. Me like damn, 35 years old. Good lord. More Rugrats, please, mom. That was the mom? Look at her, very fit on a treadmill. That was the mom?

She's Maxie. Oh! Maxie. Nice call back there. But yeah, I had no idea, Tony, that it was religious programming. That's something that we grew up with religiously was Veggie Tales.

It was like a part of our- Literally religiously. Yeah, like they were talking about like- About Good Friday. Yeah, it was some episode about like, I think Jesus going to the market and like, fish and all that, but it was like the Veggie Tales were telling the story and it was, it just threw me off, but now years and years later, when I watch Righteous Gemstones and they're trying to make teenagers, like that's what it makes me think of,

it's like, oh, this is how all those shows get made. It's a bunch of people like, yo, we're gonna make this show. It's gonna be by Jesus, but we're gonna have like carrots. And- Vegetables, do it. And Brussels sprouts, tell the story. We're gonna hide it. You guys got a whole show.

We got our two episodes, Passover and Hanukkah, and that's how it worked for us, and only on Rugrats, but it was well worth it because we're gonna feel a little more Charlotte Pickles again, you know? I still call my phone a hello phone every once in a while because that's what the kids called it, because you know, you pick up the phone and you say hello,

so it's a hello phone. Oh. Ha ha ha ha ha. Don Lebatard. Sugar Daddies. These things, I'm telling you. I love Sugar Daddies. They get stuck in your teeth, like you can't chew them.

They're like impossible to chew They're impossible that is every day stew guts This is the down libertar show with a stew gods Izzy you call your phone a hello phone, but you're calling Golden State a good buy phone transition Yeah, I'm gonna go look. I think a a lot. Man, I feel like an astronaut today. It feels like because I'm wearing this, like, white, and my face is super shiny, so it looks like I'm already wearing the helmet.

But anyway. Yeah, I think the Rockets are going to beat the Warriors. I know it's a 2-7. I know it's a 2-7 thing. Perfect. It's a 2-7 situation, so they should be the favorites, but they're not. Like, they're a minus, what is it? I think it was minus 130 seven thing perfect. That's a two seven situation So they should be the favors or they're not like they're a minus. What is that? I think it was minus 130 or something to win that series

There you go. I don't know if I can do this and talk but oh wow This is I don't think my head can fit in here. We're gonna have to do this But I see sort of this like To the shuttle Gotta hold it like you just got back. Like Gale King. You're a hero, man. We appreciate everything you did.

Like a high school running back with a football around the high school. They didn't wear helmets. The ladies that went up. No, they just hung out. What happened there? Weren't we told you got to wear helmets just in case? Just in case.

Just for rattling and whatever. Just in case. You'll be fine. That's what happened. Got a kiss to the ground. Oh, there it is. There we go. Nice. Did he really do it? He did. No, not lips to the ground. You'll be fine. That's a habit Nice did he really do it or he did, you know I just had this ended but you're the mind

So I think the Warriors are gonna lose this series now think about what that does, right? So I feel like I don't know maybe because Dreymon Green has just told us all of these things like I'm gonna win defensive player of The year. Yeah, we're gonna win an NBA championship. You know who also used to have those very bold claims and they were, ended up empty the entire time? It was Jimmy Butler. And so this is, and he's already got the once upon a time there was a seven seed or whatever tail he's starting to tell on his Instagram, and I just think the Rockets are better.

I think they're gonna suffocate the Warriors offense over seven games, however many it takes. I don't think Draymond Green is gonna win Defensive Player of the Year. I've seen a couple of ballots put out. I know, what's his name, Tim something. Tim Vontep, excuse me. He voted for Zubots, which I'm sure you'd be happy about.

For Defensive Player of the Year. For Defensive Player of the Year. So I just think it'll be spread out and I don't think he'll end up winning it. And then it's just gonna be like, oh, they're not that team that's going to surprise people and win a fifth championship. They're that team with Jimmy Butler

that still needs more help. You realize Adam Silver is like right now, his tie is all the way loosened. He's stressing, he's chain smoking and drinking coffee because he's praying, he's praying that we get Warriors Lakers in that second round. Like that's the money right there. Well aren't we all?

Of course. Not me, I'm a huge Rockets fan. Rockets Wolves in the second round. I'm preparing myself for it's Rockets against the world. Like it's going to be eight on five every single time, there's gonna be a bunch of questions, there's gonna be the two minute report that say the Warriors got like five calls in their favor.

So it's going to need a lot more effort than just, you know, a winning effort from the Rockets. They have to do a little extra because everybody wants what Tony just said. Are you not worried about Rockets offensively though? Like who's going to be the guy down the stretch that you're going to give the ball to and be like, all right, buddy, go get us a bucket when we really need one. In a close game, sure. I do think that that was, I've been saying it all year,

and you can attest to that. They don't have a closer. Ideally, it would be Jalen Green, in terms of somebody that would be able to get his own shot, but he just, I don't know what happens to him in those moments. I think they need to put the ball in the men Thompson's hands some more,

and let him create and draw some fouls. They don't do that enough late in games, largely because they have Fred Van Vliet. And he's gonna get them an offense, he has zero jumper. And then, you know, Shangoon is a little tougher to go into the post when you have the defense really locked in. So that is the biggest problem,

but the way they might suffocate the Warriors, I don't think it's gonna come down to those positions. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. In the middle of that, Tony, back here, as you're talking about giving the ball to Ahmed Thompson, his immediate reaction off Mike to all of us is, man, he's got no jumper. And Chris, not knowing at all what you're talking about,

three seconds later just goes, yeah, he's got no jumper. Turns off the mic and says, oh man, I just stole that right from Tony. Nailed it though, he nailed it. I was going to say to you, Tony slash Chris, he's never going to settle for that. Like he's going to force the issue. My problem is he's not good at the free throw line either and that that's part of the no jumper part Yeah, it's like I'd be alright with him not being able to shoot

He's not a great free throw shooter percentage wise in the moment. He makes like he makes a little shag There's a little shack in everybody. Yeah, I look the thing to me. There's couple things number one Is that right you asked about Jalen Green? I'll tell you why Jalen Green doesn't appear in those moments I'm sorry, buddy. Now, look, the thing, to me, there's a couple things. Number one is that, right? You asked about Jalen Green. I'll tell you why Jalen Green doesn't appear in those moments. It's because his coach doesn't trust him, man. Like, that's clear.

I actually sat him late in the game, late in the season when the game still mattered. Yep, Eme Udoka does not have, does not exude confidence in Jalen Green. So it's gonna be probably Van Vliet, because he's the vet vet and he's more likely to make the right decision, although he's kind of limited also in what he can do on the floor.

To me, that's the issue with this team. It's a young team, dude. Other than Van Vliet and Dylan Brooks, and that's your vet. That's gonna be so much fun, though. Right, but it's like, it's Van Vliet, it's Dylan Brooks, and Steven Adams, right? Steven Adams, not an offensive guy, right?

Dillon Brooks, wholly unreliable, and Van Vliet, reliable, but a little limited in terms of what he can do, right? So these are the guys, and then everyone else, first time at the rodeo. And time and time again, what we see is that when it's your first time at the rodeo, particularly if you're going against that old vet, the vets that have been there and been there a million times over know exactly how this movie goes.

Like Moses Moody. I mean, but Moses Moody, exactly. Moses Moody's played on a championship. He's been there. He's been in the rodeo. He's seen the fire, right? He's been there, right? Donald Camingo, who's out of the rotation right now, but I think he's going to play against the Rockets because of the physicality part. He's been there, like, and then obviously Steph

and Draymond and Jimmy Butler and Kevon Looney, and like those guys, that goes without saying. So what ends up happening is they take advantage of young teams is what happens. It's like they take advantage of, we know the value of a possession and you really don't. There's a part of this also Izzy, that they have no idea what's coming

in terms of the intensity. Because the way I always describe it for NBA players, when you get in, you get to summer league, I'm a rookie, like, oh yeah, I think I could do, I play pretty well. And then you realize, oh wait, 90% of these guys are not gonna be in the NBA. So then you get to summer league, I'm a rookie, like, oh yeah, I think I could do, I play pretty well. And then you realize, oh wait, 90% of these guys are not gonna be in the NBA. So then you get to preseason, and you're like,

oh wow, this is really hard, everyone like really up their level of play. But then you realize, oh, nobody cares, they're just trying to get in shape. Then you get to the regular season, like, oh crap, they're really, really playing hard. Like, no, they're just trying to regulate for the regular season.

And then you get to the playoffs, and you think, you've played 82 games, like, okay, I think I figured it out. I know this NBA thing. Okay, so sometimes LeBron does this and some, oh, Steph Curry, I got it, right? And then you get to the playoffs and you realize, oh shit, they were holding out on us.

They had a whole other level. And there's nothing that you can, it's like, you know how when people are rehabbing from an injury and they say, well, there's no replacing game speed, right? We can go through drills and all, but there's nothing that replaces game speed. It's the same thing.

I can't explain it. You're just gonna have to experience it. And I think the Rockets are gonna get blindsided by that. Experience it for two games and then you figure it out, oh, I'm just as good as this team. We are just as good, if not better than this team. After two games you realize, oh, Jab'm just as good as this team. We are just as good, if not better than this team. After two games you realize, oh, Jabari Smith

can just turn around and shoot over Draymond Green because he's taller than him and has a, I'm sorry, and has a Rashid Wallace type of jumper, okay? You know, it's gonna be, oh, wow, if we really lock up Steph, their number two option is Jimmy Butler, okay, we can put Tarre Eason on him, we're good. Like, they're going to realize that they don't have that many fires to put out with Golden State,

and so as long as they are doing their thing, which is getting the ball to Sangoon, finding some sort of half court offense that you can rely on, and then scoring on these turnovers and everything else, I think they're just a better team. There's another impact of all this that I realized, I think it was two years ago when the Warriors played against the Kings in the first round, There's another impact of all this that I realized, I think it was two years ago when the Warriors played

against the Kings in the first round, which is, it's all well and good. Oh, I'm just as good, we're better than them, we can play. But then there comes a moment where you're watching Steph Curry go off, and then you begin to realize that these guys that are playing for the Rockets, in this case, they grew up watching this. So it's not just like, oh yeah,

like I was like 20 or whatever. It's like, no, I remember as a 12 year old watching him demolish the Rockets. And it's like, oh crap, that's happening to me now. Because there's times where you recognize though, oh, okay, now, yeah, I was watching that, but I belong here. Like I remember talking to Asar Thompson. He had just come back from, he was still at OTE. He had just come back from a pickup game with OJN and OB Anthony Edwards. Both taking part in that

game. It was the third person. I can't remember who. Um, and he played that entire thing. And he said, look, I understand that, you know, those guys are there, they're working on something, right? So they're not saying, oh, I'm gonna beat up a Sarthompson over here, but I just spent, you know, whatever it is, an hour, an hour and a half playing against them. I know I belong. There's a moment where you're just like,

I know I belong here, and it makes you even play better. It makes you play to your full potential. And I can see that, especially with this team that has had those moments throughout the year. There's a difference between that, there's a difference between that and when you're watching the movie. Anthony Edwards is great, he doesn moments throughout the year. There's a difference between that, there's a difference between that and when you're watching the movie, right? Anthony Edwards is great, he doesn't have the movie.

Like, Steph Curry has the movie. The movie, part one, I put Deli in the hospital. Like, that's a movie, dude, that's not like a regular, oh yeah, I can play with him. I was like, oh shit. He put Deli in the hospital when Deli was beating him. It was like, I'm still gonna put you in the hospital so that we can win this series on the back end it was ridiculous the

biggest lie ever told was that deli locked up step he had one good game and then like what's the hospital and then and then after that like steph was like i'm gonna put you in the dirt man you keep trying to keep up with me i will have you in an ivy in a drip there's literally a four-hour movie on youtube right now it's just going through the Warriors championship years. Four hours. Izzy, to your point where you're like, oh, I can play with these guys, right?

Like when you do the pickup games and you see Anthony Edwards up close and you're like, wait a second, like I kind of compare. There's that moment of realization of I can play with these guys. And then there's the moment of realization, like Amin said, like, oh, I can't play with that guy. That guy's so much better.

Is that guy Steph? Yes. And again. That's not what happened the last't play with that guy. That guy's so much better. Is that guy Steph? Yes. And again. That's not what happened the last time they played. Yes. But that's. Like do it. They were off a back to back.

They have played the Nuggets, the Lakers. Not saying that they think they can hold him to three points every time. But if you're looking at, wow, I can do that. Then if you can keep them to, you know, a 20 point game on 19 shots, you've done your job and you're probably gonna win that game. You know what's crazy? That's what the Grizzlies did on Tuesday

and then at the end of the game. And then it happened. And then it was just like, the movie's gonna start now. And it happens and everyone, the craziest thing is when everyone in the building, everybody knows, oh here we go. Well, that's the part that's different, right? From Anthony Edwards, No Disrespect, when it's like, oh crap, we go. Well, that's the part that's different, right, from Anthony Edwards, No Disrespect,

when it's like, oh crap, I've seen Indiana Jones a million times, oh, he's beating up, we got him, he's dying, oh no, he's gonna turn around and pull out a gun and a whip, and now all of a sudden he's a hero again. That's what happens when you're playing against Steph Curry. Do you think that, like, Stephen Adams being on that Rockets team, Dylan Brooks

being on that Rockets team, two guys that have had it out with Draymond Green, or Draymond Green kicked one in the nuts a couple times and then had it out with Dylan Brooks. Like, isn't that experience carryover? Doesn't that help them teach these other guys, hey, we don't need to be afraid of these guys. It helps, it helps, but it's limited, right? Especially Dylan Brooks, because he's such a loud mouth,

I guess I could call him, right? Like, Dylan Brooks Brooks I could see him walking in there hey man we're gonna lock up Steph Curry da da da but then you're gonna see what Steph Curry is gonna do when Dylan Brooks is on him and that that's like I thought you told us we had this right like Brooks. Dylan Brooks has two of the worst videos online ever it's the one where he's got Draymond Green is up like this with the ball here and Dylan's trying to be the tough guy, like face to face, but his face is all up in Draymond's pits and he's just like, uh.

And then the other one recently where he's defending LeBron and he's just, mm-mm. Oh, yeah. Make that a GIF right now. Absolutely. And for the tough guy that wants to be like the big defender, like, those are two videos you probably don't want out on them. The one I think about is when Curry spun him around and then ran off the court like that's the movie man like

because when that happens all that braggadocio and like I'm brave and all that stuff it all goes out the window. I would think though that this group in particular Stephen Adams, Dillon Brooks and Fred Van Fleet, who was on a championship team that beat the Warriors in the final. I know that's the year where everybody gets hurt, right? But he's gone head to head with these guys before in the biggest moments. You would think that that group might be the right group to actually just boost up the most talented players who are going to be the difference makers who are Smith and Thompson and Green. Those are the guys who are going to have to, Shangoon obviously, the guys who are going to have to play well for the Rockets to be able to pull this off. And I

think there is a difference than when we're talking about late in games with a lead and you're the Grizzlies versus you're the Rockets. Those are not the same teams. The Rockets are way, way better than that Grizzlies team. And it's not to say that they're gonna win this series because I do think that if you have a five point game with five minutes to go and you not only have Steph Curry, but you have Jimmy Butler who we've seen in those moments do some amazing things, you're probably not gonna win

a lot of those games. At the same time, if you can be so great, which the Rockets have been all year, that you can win some games handily, which is still possible. The Warriors are not this infallible object. You can beat them, not just beat them in the final moments late.

That might be how a six game series happens, because the Warriors win a couple of close games late. That's my thing, it's like, if the Rockets are gonna win, they have to beat their ass. They gotta dominate. It has to be, it's like if the Rockets are gonna win, they have to beat their ass. They gotta dominate. It has to be, we're so much more talented than you that this is, I'm offended that we're even having this conversation. And when that happens,

I mean, not that I need any flowers or anything, but like what happens to the league? Do we look at it like, oh, because there's just the discussion, hey, maybe they get Kevin Durant, the Rockets, and they really finish that off, and the Rockets are just, I saw a report that said, no, they're probably not interested in Katie.

I think they're good. And so if that happens, like, are we announcing the end of Steph? Like Steph needs to be on a super team to get that fifth ring and match Kobe? Look, I don't think so. I think this Jimmy Butler half season or whatever third of a season that they've had

has given them like confidence, like, okay, we've got the makings of something. Clearly it's not complete, but I think there's a little optimism that they can keep doing it. When I see Izzy holding that helmet, I think of we're in 3025, Izzy's the first person to surf on Mars,

and he's joining us today to tell us about it. We finally were on Mars, we have, you know, there's a- Quicksilver's still a thing. Yeah, like- It's making a thing. Yeah, like. It's making a comeback. It's like, how was it up there? It was warm, but you were able to do it. What do surfers say?

Do they shred? No, is that shock? Shackle boys. Shackle boys. Shackle boys. The waves were gnarly. Oddly enough, Sean John doesn't exist anymore there though. With good reason.

Yeah, no. I feel bad for anyone who had to work on that like that had nothing to do with anything it's like oh man I can't skim over some cool designs guys like hey baggies back in remember these and then it's like yeah. The timing couldn't have been better for resurgence and then you know. The Sean John velours oh boy man we would we'd be killing it right now with the pull the velour I had a crushed velvet it was navy blue but it's you know how like velvet kind of like shimmers in the light Izzy can you hear me Izzy earth to

Izzy he can't hear you I don't think Iz. Izzy, Izzy, can you hear us? I can hear you a little bit. How was it? How was it surfing on Mars? Water was a little dry. It was not the best, to be honest. Little hot. Well, I thought Mars was a colder than Earth. I was hot.

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podcaster, but he is one of the great yes and people I've ever seen. To him and Ian Carmel to me are like the two highest, right at the top, most involved, and me. Anything you throw at them they can just keep going with it. They keep going with it. And I feel like when we're at our best. But no. No but. When we're at our best. Oh, whatever.

OK then. When we're at our best, it's because we are doing the yes and thing. So I thought we could do a little yes and exercises. A little improv, just all of us here. So I want to start with a location. Give me a location. Any exercises. A little improv, just all of us here, right? So I wanna start with, let's start with a location. Give me a location, any location. The zoo.

The zoo, okay, at the zoo. All right, and the zoo, and give me a profession. Plumber. Plumber, okay. Fitting. Okay, and, are you all right over there? All right, here we go. I wanna ask Roy, how in the world he thought of plumber?

Ah, we were talking about it earlier. We had Jake Plummer on the show. Jake Plummer's gonna be here. Yeah, Jake Plummer's gonna be here. Okay, Plummer at the zoo, all right. Wow, you guys' pipes are really backed up. There's like elephant shit all over the place. You guys gotta stop using these flushable wipes.

They don't really work. I can't believe they have a bathroom for elephants at the zoo. They do. It's just unbelievable. And it's unhygienic, right? Like they never clean up after themselves. It's just unbelievable. And it's unhygienic, right? Like, they never clean up after themselves. It's just shit everywhere. The biggest stall you've ever seen.

Like, they're all handicapped stalls. Oh. Oh. Oh. They, they, they, they go, they read the paper too in there? Because there's newspapers everywhere. They have the biggest sinks you've ever seen. And I'm telling you, and they have this thing, and they have like the have like the the waving thing where you like put and you should see them with their

What are they hooves? What are we? What's the elephant foot called? A foot? Yeah. The elephant foot trying to wave to get the thing going. It's it's a sight to behold I'll tell you the hardest part about doing my job here is having the monkeys throw their shit at me while I'm trying to clean Up this thing. We're trying to fix these pipes. I mean, geez, anybody else? I just wanted Chris to do the entire thing and just really be hooked up on the elephant bathrooms. So I'm not going to lie. I had the astronaut helmet on so I couldn't hear what was going on over there. I really didn't know what was happening. I kind of heard what you were saying

and I realized that, oh, we're doing a thing here. We're doing a thing as a plumber. And this is how we fail. I was working behind the scenes, workshopping with Lewis, trying to figure out how I could do a racist Joe Zagacki about rhinos as compared to the elephant. We were getting there.

I just needed you guys to keep the ball in the air for another minute or so. White rhino. God damn. And we just lost. He had the joke. This is why we're not in Andres Sant another minute or so. White rhino. Oh, white rhino. God damn. There it is. And we just lost. He had the joke. This is why we're not in Andres Santino. All right, well, what else? That's a good exercise.

I can't believe we spent this much time talking about the Rockets and the Warriors when they're playing games tonight with some teams that have some opportunities to have some special post-season performances. Hux, baby. Who's playing tonight? The Mavs.

Well, of course, the late game is the Mavericks against the Grizzlies, which is actually, you know, pretty interesting. I'd love to see the Mavs. Wait, wait, wait, wait, back up. If you saw these two games on a Tuesday in like January, are you turning on League Pass? Would I care?

Are you just like, eh, watch tomorrow? Well, no, I'm turning on my local network. Post-Luca trade, let's go to March. Post-Luca trade, let's go to March. I was gonna say January, but, eh, no. Yeah, March, you might not wanna watch any of these teams. But Heat Hawks, early game. Oh yeah, that's right.

Look, are we allowed to care? Are we allowed to want to watch that game? Are we allowed to be entertained? Are we allowed to care that the team you root for makes the playoffs or is that something that's not cool anymore? Tonight's the tournament for who doesn't want Cooper Flags. You know who Jeremy is? I just can't believe we're still here.

Jeremy is, and this is gonna sound like a compliment to you right now but it's not really. But it's gonna be an insult. But I assure you it's not. Jeremy is Tyler Hero right now, all right? Compliment. Yeah, hear me out here. Everything Tyler Hero is doing is great. I love Tyler Hero right now, all right? Because- Compliment. Yeah, hear me out here. Everything Tyler Hero is doing is great.

Like I love Tyler Hero. He is like the American success story, right? Just nobody believed in him, came out here, worked his way up, is an all-star, doing all the right things. This team, without Jimmy Butler, with all the drama that is, you know, he created, is still fighting and very well might make the playoffs,

which is, you know, quite the honor for them. But Tyler is still fighting and very well might make the playoffs, which is quite the honor for them. But Tyler is still doing the things like it's really high stakes, right? Like he was playing, or the post-game interview after they beat, who was it, Chicago. He's like, oh yeah, we gotta get ready for the second play-in, and that's what it's all about. And I'm like, that's not really where you're supposed to put

that's where it's all about, right? But it's been what it's all about for the last three years. But it's not. It's not all about that, right? And then my favorite thing is he was cooking in that second half. He makes the move, I want to say, against Kevin Herter. It goes baseline, two-hand layup. I know exactly what you're talking about. And he's like, yeah, you can't guard me.

And I'm like, Kevin Herter's probably over there being like, yes. No shit. And no kidding, man. I can't guard anybody. That is not quite the flex you think it is, buddy. And I'm just like, yeah, again, I love Tyler. He's doing everything, yeah. Because you are cheering and you have your heart in it like they're getting ready to go to the finals.

Because I like sports. Yeah, and really, it's just, hey, I might be an AC. It's like you're just, you're right now yelling at Kevin Hart, you're yelling at Duncan Robinson, you can't guard me. Jeremy, if they lose tonight and then end up winning the lottery, will you take the L? I don't, I think that there is no theory.

There is no theory in which, I think that no matter what- I got a conspiracy theory for you that will give you a better 2% chance at Cooper flag. Ethical tanking? This is a Duke organization. They're gonna find a way to get them some Cooper flag. Nick Harrison, like come on, that's why they drafted Justice Winslet,

one of their biggest mistakes ever was just because he went to Duke. I wanna play a game. I want Jeremy to tell me the percentage chance that the Heat have of winning the title, right? As of right now, where we sit right now. It's gonna be a less percentage chance than they have of getting a top four pick.

I don't know that it's less of a chance. I would argue it's about the same amount chance as getting Cooper Flap. Yeah, and remember when we had this conversation. Less, right? Very less. Remember when we had this exact same conversation two years ago.

My greater conversation than winning the championship because this is actually like a basketball ethics conversation that I'm intrigued by, which is like, is there, or is there value in playing one round? Is there value in Tyler Hero as a lead guy having a good six game series against Cleveland and that meaning something to him.

Is Kaleo Ware getting the experience, maybe Pella Larsen, the rookies getting experience in playoff games against playoff performers. Not something that's valuable for you in the long run. Is that more important than a 15th pick in the draft? Right, than a 15th pick. I'm not talking about the random chance that they might maybe because of ping pong ball

jump into the top four. And if they do, I will be as happy as anyone in talking about how great the future can be because of it. But I'm wondering what the value is of playoff experience and a pick next year instead of an extra pick this year. I wanna go to Tony here. I just wanna point out that you can tell how suppressed Jeremy

has been and hasn't been able to talk basketball because when he finally gets a talk it his eyes get really big. Yeah. Just let me ask questions. Let the record show that a couple of years ago when I said the Heat should have tanked for Wemba and Yama in my personal record book, the Heat already have Wemby at that point.

So we have Wemby on this team in my personal record book. Now we're trying to get Cooper flagged to pair with Wemby in my personal record book. Now we're trying to get Cooper Flag to pair with Wemby in my personal record book on my team. You know what the crazy thing is? In the real record book, the Spurs might actually get them. That'd be terrible. That'd be terrible. If they get-

I would hate that. Let's do this. I wanna play this game. Top five places we don't wanna see Cooper Flag land. San Antonio number one. No. You got a better you can you can knock that off well I was gonna say never mind because they're not

in the lottery anymore I was gonna say if Dallas were to fall in the lottery that's a no they might be if they lose tonight they're back in the lottery that's right so Dallas that would be complete conspiracy theory hey you gave Luca you gave LA Luca we're gonna give you Cooper Flack. All right, I'm gonna try and work up this. Imagine Nico Harrison at that ping pong. He traded Luka for an American white. And then, and then try to play it off like, yeah, I meant to do that. That's the part, that's the part.

That's why I hate the lottery. Say see, guys. That's why I hate the lottery, because it allows teams to F up royally, and then turn around and be like, yeah, I meant to do that. I'm like, no, you didn't. Can I say something?

I don't think that if you are picked, thanks Chris, I should have waited for permission. If you are picked in the top 14, you shouldn't be called the lottery pick. Why not? You should only be a lottery pick in the top four because you won the lottery, right? Those are the only times they pick.

They were all 14 were in the lottery before won it basically. Right, and so you're a winner, you win the lottery, and if you're a loser, you lose the lottery. So are they lottery losers and they get to draft those what I mean Well, yes, they're lottery losers, but the players are still lottery picks No for only the top only the way that you're playing for a win you win the lottery. Those are the four picks No, the lottery decides every pick of that that no

It literally doesn't just the top four and then the rest of them just fall in order. That's actually true. Okay. So how about Tony said that too. I followed him on the. Yeah, well, my bad. I'm just trying to feed Chris all the stuff. It just the whole thing would be conspiratorial anywhere you put them, right? Like Cooper flag. If he goes to San Antonio, he goes to Dallas. Like if he goes to Philly, if you know, obviously the Miami deserves it. Thank you, Jeremy. They deserve it. That's the way you want them to lose. Now you're finally starting to figure it out. Here's what I'll say. They're gonna play their damn hardest tonight, right? This team has played hard all season long,

despite what would have been the easiest season ever to just say, all right, time to tank and get the highest pick possible. Which they probably should have, by the way. But they didn't do it. They had like a 10 game losing streak. Oh I'm gonna watch any of those games you saw they blew those games Not because they weren't trying to win Jeremy because they were playing awful basketball They're quarter and what I'm saying is they actually tried for 82 games when we talk about the concepts of ethical tanking

Even which is a game losing competing and losing like it was a good thing Oh, no, it wasn't a good thing guy. They were playing terrible. That's my point But they've played hard all the way through and in turn they should get the luck Such like that's why I want to go to the playoffs I don't care like I'm watching a couple Marlins games and they're like this team fights They might not be talented, but like it's just what you say about they're gonna lose 97 They try hard they might not win but they put their third damn dish Is that Bob Dylan if they they tried hard

According to draft Kings the heat have a plus My point is they're bad. That was the point. According to DraftKings, the Heat have a plus 150,000 odds to win the NBA championship, which is 0.07%. No one answered my question about what the value is for players to play in the post. 6.6% chance to get a top three pick, 9.4% of the top four. So they have like a five times more likely chance

to get Cooper flagged than win it all. This is why Dan doesn't let Jeremy talk basketball. There you go. This conversation is my fault. See? flag than win it all. This is why Dan doesn't let Jeremy talk basketball. There you go. This conversation is my fault. See, he's doing it again. I got top five places we don't want to see Cooper flag land. Okay.

All right, number five, Philadelphia. Yeah. You don't get to royally screw up your year and then get Cooper flag at the end of it, no. Number four, Dallas same same math there number three San Antonio too many number one pick too many number one picks how many how many number one picks in this David Robinson and Duncan's I win Benyama stop giving them number one pick them Cleveland Orlando you've had enough you should never get number one pick over

all again number two Charlotte I don't want him to disappear then Like them, Cleveland, Orlando, you've had enough. You should never get number one pick overall again. Number two, Charlotte. I don't want him to disappear, just fade off into Bolivia. I feel like the next one feels like very much a disappearing act. And then the number one place, I don't wanna see him end up, Houston. By way of Phoenix's pick.

Because then Izzy really wouldn't shut the hell up about the Rockets. I have to do a show with this guy every day. And every day, it's somehow we're going to work in how the Rockets and I'm in Thompson. That is not true. Sometimes we talk about Detroit. Every day but Friday. Who would ever wrap everything in the NBA around their one team?

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