The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Local Hour: I Know the Numbers Say Otherwise

Episode Date: May 8, 2024

Today's cast: Dan, Stugotz, Billy, Jeremy, JuJu, Mike, and Roy. Rudy Gobert's going to be a Hall of Famer, huh? Then, it was an INCREDIBLE night on the ice! Stu, Roy, and "Hockey Mike Ryan" break down everything from the night that was. Then, the Celtics are overwhelming, the streamers are here to stay when it comes to live sports, and John Mulaney's "Everybody's In LA" is a fever dream of late-night television. Plus, beating a dead horse, no-hitter alert, the goon that can't fight, and Jayson Tatum's career arc. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to DraftKings Network. This is the Don Leventor Show with the Stugats Podcast. Today's episode is sponsored by DraftKings. Stay tuned because you'll hear more about DraftKings and all it has to offer throughout the show. DraftKings, the crown is yours. I am genuinely curious about what the reaction of everybody is going to be to the news yesterday that I thought that was glossed over a little bit. Rudy Gobert became a Hall of Famer yesterday. You win four of those things, you get in the Hall of Fame. No question. You know? You say no question, and I'm like, Rudy Gobert, Hall of Famer.

I mean, I know that the- It's a different Hall of Famer. I know it's a different- Make a presumption just this one time, because nobody likes him. He has so many things working against him. He started COVID, he's French. We made the argument on the show yesterday

that the Timberwolves are better off without him. He's going to end up in the Hall of Fame and I don't care how diminished the basketball Hall of Fame is, I still am jarred when- What's worse, betting on your own sport or ruining everybody's lives for two and a half years? Or missing a game because you had a kid.

It's up there. Yep. He's no Brandon Karlo. And as an added bonus, Rare is the Hall of Famer that very often during games as the sport evolves just gets taken off of the court for long stretches of time. That usually doesn't happen to the Hall of Famers at the height of their powers.

But as Stu got said while moaning over headsets that were on the floor and with a bad back that made it very difficult to get up, what a night on the ice. Ah, it was magical, Dan-O. It's sport. Two OTs, two games. They gave three OTs, actually.

Yes. Two in the Rangers game. More OTs than games. How many people out there were confused when a tide over time Rangers game all of a sudden with 30 seconds left as? Everyone is very excited the broadcast goes to another pregame show oops How many stars game is the star it wasn't the stars game? There was about maybe a minute or so left in regulation in the Rangers game and they left the Rangers game To go to the Stars game and I thought the Ranger game went to ESPN you so I went to ESPN you and the Stars game

Was there as well which would have been a curious decision with 30 seconds left on the running clock. Yes I'm gonna power through this one No, fine. So 30 seconds left on running clock. Me and about 15 of my closest hosers, we go to a local watering hole and we are just maniacs about this sport. Billy, why are you making that face? Your closest what?

Hosers. Is that a hockey thing? It's a Canadian phrase. Yeah, it's not very flattering, but whatever. We're puck heads. So we go to our favorite hockey bar. It's about like 15 of us. And I'm telling you, these fellas are on a rampage.

I need to stop everything that's happening here, because whatever you think Mike Ryan is with soccer insanity, with basketball insanity, and with University of Miami insanity, hockey Mike Ryan is 15 people in a bar yelling at a television when the game is tied with 30 seconds left and the television is going to another broadcast. Posers, just a hostile takeover of a bar. People using hockey gloves as koozies. It was a movie. And we just like joy, you know?

We want people to find their joy, we want points, we want goals, we like the overs. We like the player props. Yeah, maybe a little side action on the Carolina Hurricanes, that's a tough L, but generally, we just want a good game. And we were being treated to an amazing game, courtesy of the New York Rangers and Carolina Hurricanes, and with 30 seconds left on the running clock in the game in the balance

They decide to go to the pregame coverage big mess up over by ESPN production However, we also had the over in Dallas. So we weren't necessarily super mad about it. We were just confused Mike I will tell you this the Rangers had no business winning that game last night Carolina dominated play did, but that's what hockey's all about. You just need one. And that series ain't over. Series ain't over, one bit. I wanna go back to the Hosers for a second. The Canadian phrase was it was the Smothers brothers,

I think, are the ones who introduced me to it as a Canadian insult, I think. I don't know whether they invented it or not. Smothers brothers. That's funny. Wikipedia says Rick Moranis is the one on SCTV who popularized it. But it means a, and I will get this specific for you, a foolish or uncultivated person. Yeah, no that checks.

I mean that's hockey fans. Yeah that checks out. That's hockey fans in a bar, wait a minute I shouldn't say it's all hockey fans. It's hockey fans who drink beer from a koozie 15 deep in a bar. That's hoes. The koozie was deep in a bar. That's hoes. The koozie was a hockey glove. It was an important detail. You just hang the hockey glove around.

Take a swig. Oh man, what a night. What a night. And then we had another game after that Rangers Carolina game. And I'm very, very glad to see the nation is actually supporting this. This sport is truly growing and it shows the power of ESPN. This sport barely survived the two lockouts and being stuck on versus

and not getting mainstream attention. For it to finally get mainstream attention, Pat McAfee's been such a great ally for the sport, they're getting close to NBA playoff numbers. The ratings are very good and Juju, in basketball, one of the things basketball suffers from that hockey doesn't because of where offenses gone is the games last night are interesting you don't have to

watch these twenty and thirty point games and i'm really genuinely curious uh... i cuz i don't remember the warriors doing what the celtics are doing where they just stack throughout the game and i know they're uh... playing against cleveland in miami in their lower seas but they've been doing it all season where they just go there are up nine now they're up eighteen there are twenty seven there are thirty five and the game's never going to get closer going to just keep grinding your face into the ground and it makes the games uninteresting. They're not the hockey games. You can tune out of both of those games

last night and you didn't miss anything. What the Sixers and the Knicks gave us and what the Knicks and the Pacers gave us, that's a rarity. Like even the Minnesota Denver games aren't close. Like we're surprised by the results, but we're looking at it and it's not dramatic games. These Celtics are overwhelming. They've had 20 point leads in half of their games this year. Like that's crazy. Think about that. We've been sounding the clocks in for what's

going on with this sport. I genuinely think, not unlike baseball, analytics has kind of gamed the system and cracked the game in ways that aren't necessarily pleasing to viewers. And look, we got a deep Knicks playoff run here, and generally the NBA playoffs are down. Knicks games are doing well,

but they're buoyed by this Knicks run, and the arrow's not pointing up. It's not flat, it's pointing down, and sports everywhere are up. Well, but you say pointing down, and these TV rights, Dugatsa, we'll talk about this with David Samson later there was a miscalculation by the folks at TNT not understanding what's happening in

the competitive streaming space and so when I think was as love the CEO of CNN of all of it actually Max of the whole thing he ends up saying that they're not interested in renewal, or they're not sure they're going to renew basketball. And as soon as that happens, Amazon's going to get games. Like there is simply no way that Amazon will not get games. Well, Amazon, their offer kind of leaked out yesterday. They're looking at $1.8 billion per season over 11 years. I mean, that's crazy.

It's interesting what Mike Ryan is saying here though, because I too was under the impression that for a lot of different reasons, I could have said when, but pre-streaming, I could have made the argument, uh-oh, basketball's going to a dangerous place but because all that matters here isn't actually ratings it's not it's not even how many people you have in your arenas it's just can you

get the TV money the TV money is the rocket fuel for the entirety of the business and nothing else matters and the thing that I simply had not allowed forugatz, and I don't think a lot of people saw this coming because it is an evolution that I would say that's over the last five or six years. I don't know that we've had a lot of visionaries. Basketball is gonna get bailed out. The business of basketball is gonna get bailed out because they have legitimate problems, but you don't have legitimate problems if you've got a sugar daddy that's giving you billions and billions of dollars

and now there's a bidding war for these rights everybody seems to want them even though it ain't hockey man the basketball playoffs what it is so far you can be interested in the games you can have passion about the games but the way the games are going aren't luring you in and when you're in the close ones and all you're doing is yelling about the referees and the two-minute report and the refs are deciding the end of the game instead of the players like

You you have an entertainment problem. Yes 100% but while they're going through this Entertainment problem. Like you said the timing couldn't be better because you have streaming services paying a premium for the association with the NBA. They're not necessarily paying for what the product is now, the ratings they're driving now. They wanna be in the game, they wanna be, oh, there it is. They wanna be legitimized by having this partnership.

You automatically, my understanding is that Turner They wanna be legitimized by having this partnership. You automatically, my understanding is that Turner can match the deal, but these are getting to crazy prices and you genuinely have to. I'm not certain Turner would wanna match that. Yeah, because it's getting to an insane place. But if you're Amazon, you already have the NFL, you wanna legitimize yourself as a destination

that sports fans have to go to. If you wanna follow sports, you need Amazon Prime. You can just microwave a sports juggernaut by not just acquiring the NBA, but what happens to Turner's studio shows that the league loves? What happens to all of that if there is no sport to cover? Well, if I'm Amazon, I'd say everybody in Atlanta,

you stay right there. We're just, we go from Turner to Amazon, we're immediately a legitimate entity, we have shoulder programming already there. I mean the studio coverage is almost more popular than the sport sometimes. In other streaming news, Boomer Esiason said on WFAN this morning that he would not be surprised and we should not be surprised if the nfl sells its christmas games to netflix i think correct me if i'm incorrect on this boomer dance story uh... the w w f a t m the w n b a

uh... tip off is going to be on disney plus correct so if so if you want to see Caitlin Clark's first game, you're not gonna be able to see that on regular television. You're going to have to subscribe to that as on the day, Stu, God said, we find out that the women are now getting chartered flights, that they don't have to do this primitive. Well, that's nice. Well, it is nice, but now that you see the economy. getting chartered flights that they don't have to do this primitive.

Well that's nice. Well it is nice but now that you see the economy. We'll do MLS next. The economy of this is changing. But tonight if you want to watch Caitlin Clark you're either going to get highlights for free or you're going to have to pay for Disney Plus and Stu Gats I will tell you that Disney had a very good quarterly earnings overachieved in every single way because of how aggressively Disney is going into streaming

as something that can help save the business. Kaitlin Clark's game will also be on ESPN2. So it's Disney Plus, ESPN Plus, and ESPN2. It'll be in all of those places. Okay, so where, what is, okay, so it's not exclusive to Disney Plus. Correct. Okay. But live sports on Disney Plus is a change.

It is a change, but I don't know why anybody would go there if you don't make them go there by denying them the access on free television. But, forgive me for not knowing this, but it's a pre-season game, right? No, this will be on May 14th when the season kicks off for her. But Dan, I think some people have bailed on cable television, meaning they don't have ESPN2 anymore,

so they'll get it on Disney Plus. They found a way to get our money. This is ridiculous. They always do. I'm a sports fan. I can't not have one of the streaming services now, because they're all gonna have live sports. And also, I'm going to have to

still have cable so I can watch the games that are just exclusive behind that paywall that are integrated inside the app. So not only am I paying for cable I can't cut the cord and now I'm just going to every single streaming service it's insane. And you also have to watch FBI. Can you explain to me, Jeremy, how it is that this is working with Disney Plus? Have they ever had a live sporting event on Disney Plus? This will be the first non-animated live sporting event on Disney Plus. Remember the Toy Story game. Don't forget the Toy Story game.

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No, I think, no, but dude, you're so wrong on that. We've been terrified of this team forever, and I think there's a different energy where the Panthers, they want the lightning. Stugats. I want t-shirts made for this Panther run, what could be this Panther run. Our Panther group chat, we're not afraid of the lightning.

That's a tagline for World Raw 3. This is the Dunn-Levar Show with the Stugats. Let me go back to something that was said by Mike here about the NBA studio show. You've heard me say it's the greatest sports studio show in the history of sports studio shows. And he said sometimes it's more popular than the games and it is really interesting to watch these people who are all over 50 years old still dominate even the new technology landscape because what they figured out and this is rare and it's where one of the many ways they're ahead

of the game because of attention deficit disorder, because sometimes the games aren't enough, because everyone's addicted to social media and needs more and more action, you're basically televising a four, five, six hour radio show with these guys who like hanging out with each other and have more room to work than any of these other studio shows that studio shows that are just showing you

at every turn uh... very consistently we're just here to get to the next commercial were just here to take you to the next commercial here's steven a smith here's michael will bond years to get say it in twenty seconds get out of here and there's not room for friendship and laughter and bits and kenny's falling down and charles is being charles they are so far ahead of the game because what they're doing the games are incidental like they can use the games for content but your not there all night

with them for four and five and six hours waiting for lebron to get out of the shower you're not there for primarily the information because I don't believe that the way basketball is being covered right now, that that's where you're getting the best basketball information. You're not. You're getting entertainment. I mean, Shaq explaining today's game, it doesn't really compute with me.

But for me, like Turner's studio coverage, both on the NBA and NHL side, it's replaced what Conan used to be for me. This is my late night talk show. These guys, and it's just a frame, the game is an excuse to get to know these great ensembles. Turner has cracked the code, often imitated, never replicated. One of the interesting things about it, I think, Stu Gatz, the high wire act of live television that Netflix is now also trying to get into because John Mulaney is doing something very strange on Netflix.

I told you what was happening this weekend where you've got Kat Williams basically. Kat Williams now has, Shannon Sharp now has the most viewed interview in the history of YouTube It surpassed Joe Rogan's Elon Musk interview and in doing so He's given cat Williams or cat Williams has given cat Williams an enormous career Resurgence as a comedian and a grinder so much so that he's mentioning Shannon Sharp in the first two sentences of his special because Cat Williams has never been this. He went on Shannon Sharp's Club Shashey and ended up making the internet record for views because he basically, whether he's nuts or not, he told an awful lot of truth that people do not tell in public spaces.

Is that the clinical term? That is correct, that's exactly right. And he ends up with a live special on Saturday night, then you go Tom Brady and the Roast on Sunday night, and then you've got all of comedy is in Los Angeles for the Netflix is a Joke Week, and John Mulaney does a super strange show because he's just got the power to do it

as one of the best standups. They've given him a show, and he's making it as weird as possible. It's the strangest late night TV show that technically has the structure of your typical late night show where he starts with a monologue, but the monologue is just making fun of LA.

The whole thing is called Everybody's in LA. And so it starts there, but then he brings in a combination of guests that will throw you off given the topic of that night. So one night it was palm trees was the topic he wanted to focus on. So he brought on an expert in that and John Stewart last night It was helicopters so he brought on the first helicopter

Journalist Zoe Tur along with Nate Barghetti and earthquake and he has conversations with all of these people that make no sense And uncomfortable it's late night. You want weird. Yeah, it's so strange. Eric Andre would like a word, though. Totally. But it is so weird the way that he's exploring these curiosities.

And then with a total non sequitur going into a different question for Barghetti, he'll talk about helicopters and the OJ chase and be like, so, Nate Barghetti, you really like candy. And it just sits there awkwardly and they toss to strange interviews. It is so uncomfortable knowing that it's live. It's that high wire act that makes it so good.

Coyotes, I think, was one of the subjects. Coyotes. But Jerry Seinfeld. Tell me, Ronon Roenick. So helicopter journalists, I was confused at first of the people that are like the videographers. the helicopter. Yeah, I was gonna think that well I was confused that it was a profession. I was like John Stossel's just Know the traffic reporters there's someone that wrote about helicopters like there was a helicopter newsletter in there and there's people just wrote

Oh, yeah, exactly. I was like there's more than one person whose job it is to write about helicopters Like why is this a thing? And the show had this journalist and then brought on Marcia Clark to speak with the journalist. What? It was amazing. But you now understand what it is

to be the first helicopter journalist, correct? You are hovering over the freeway, chasing O.J. Simpson. I mean, videographers, journalists. Well, she- Debate for another day. She was a journalist who told the story that they used to, before helicopters, because she bought her own helicopter to do this.

That was how it started. She bought her own helicopter. To chase the news. To chase the news in LA because traffic was so bad. And what she said is that they used to impersonate cops or ambulances to get to wherever the crimes were. Which is just admitting to a crime.

It's a crime. But then they bought a helicopter. But a heady play, as described by Stugatz. Put it on the poll. Gotta get the story, Dan. Put it on the poll at Levitard Show. Is what you would call a crime to Stugatz a heady play because I think that's pretty consistent I need to I've always wanted one of those sirens you

could just reach outside your window slap on the top of your car turn it on and just drive through traffic like a Joe Friday yes you could buy one there's nothing stopping you really I want to get to a literal heady play from last night in hockey, but before I do that, I just want to speak for the listeners here, Stugats, who have written in, because yesterday, in a take that you have not refurbished, you've got a couple of takes that haven't actually

been updated by you in the files. You haven't updated the software. And so you blurted yesterday, because you have this habit. It's a bit of Tourette's take of yours, that horse racing is dead. But you did that after the Derby had its biggest rating since 1989. I don't care.

Well, can I get through the numbers on how, sorry how you're wrong first before right? Yeah, so I know I know you're going I know it's sorry. I know you're not gonna update the software to gods I know that you're not gonna add any information that's gonna change your Your opinion on horse racing is dead But what you are gonna get is the flogging of facts that the Kentucky Derby sold out 160,000 seats and on top of that did its biggest number, 17 million since 1989 at a time when you weren't saying that horse racing is dead. You were not in 1989 when you were-

It was still alive, yeah. When you were on the Hank Goldberg show and you were talking about horse racing a lot back then choice So this number was bigger at all bigger than any of the numbers in the last 30 years But that's misleading because the Kentucky Derby is an event like you watch it because it's the Kentucky Derby not because you care about horse race and that was the 150th running of the Kentucky Derby you think that that's why like normally I would have the gambling but it's a ten year point normally I would say this. Well, that and the gambling. The centennial.5, yeah.

Sports are all up pretty much across the board because of sports gambling. Right, but let me know how 151, 152, 153, 154, 167, let me know how those go, you know? Go to Calder on a Tuesday afternoon. You watch. We'll see how vibrant horse racing is. Challenge accepted.

Goff's team. You watched horse racing because you wanted to see if a horse could win the Triple Crown. Well, a horse has done that recently, so therefore horse racing is dead. I'm sorry, I know the numbers suggest otherwise. You were quite literally beating a dead horse. You're literally beating a dead horse.

No, that's in California. Yeah. Oh, man. I'm sorry. Horse racing is dead. I know the numbers say otherwise. If that's not where we are in general, arguing facts in America.

Like that's it right there. Like I know what you think, all those facts, but I've got my opinion and that's gonna win here. You're gonna give me more facts? Okay, I'm gonna stay right where I here. You're gonna give me more facts. Okay I'm gonna stay right where I am imagine how entertaining would be if su gods were to debate that fact against Marcia Clark I Think we need to see the preakness numbers before we can assess whether or not a horse racing is dead

Well, I don't think the derby horse is racing in the preakness. Oh, I mean to my point We're doing load management in this sport to dig heavens versus racing in the praetness. Oh, I mean, it's my point. We're doing load management in this sport too? Wow. Heavens. It's horseshit. Secretariat's rolling over in his grave. Hey. Is he dead? Is he a he?

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Who is the comedian? Is it James Mulvaney? How do you pronounce his... John Mulaney? There you go. Thank you. John Mulaney. Two dollars. Yeah, that's a bad find. Wow, everybody started shaking their head. How do you pronounce his? John Mulaney? There you go. Thank you. John Mulaney. Two dollars. Yeah, that's a bad fine. Wow.

Everybody started shaking their head. I mean, he's arguably the most popular comedian right now. James Mulvaney. Stugats. Put it on the poll, Guillermo. Is John Mulvaney the most popular columnist at Lebatards? Oh my God. Comedian, Dan. Jesus, get it together. Excuse me, comedian, my bad.

This is the Don Levantard Show with the Stugats. A couple of funny baseball things I wanted to get to. A couple of days ago. We were talking about closer entrances and Duran in Minnesota how he comes in to the lights being turned off and everyone waving the lights on their phones and The Oakland A's have a closers to God's who throws a hundred and eight a hundred and four miles an hour have a closer Stu gots who throws a hundred and eight a hundred and four miles an hour okay Mason Miller is their closer and he's great and he said when they asked him because of everything going on in Oakland if you're not paying

attention there are nights when they don't seem to have two thousand people in the ballpark and he was asked why he doesn't have a big entrance and his quote was, the lights might not come back on. That's what we were talking about yesterday, me and Greg longing for the day that stadium lights went off and it'd take 15 minutes to turn back on. But the A's might have,

like the A's might have the electricity cut cause they can't, you know, they can't pay for it. Like they're, the Oakland A's are playing in real life in the major leagues. They're playing out the movie Major League, where they're probably getting into dirty whirlpools because their facilities aren't quite Major League. Cold water and a shower.

I can't wait for the oral history of the Oakland Coliseum, Oakland A's years, but you mentioned Major League, and it might actually be playing out the same way, because they're a lot better than people assumed. They're only three games under, four games back of the division with the expanded wild card.

They could actually make summer interesting. And what a cool experience that would be in their final year in that godforsaken stadium. It's exactly like the movie. I spent all of last season betting for them to lose by more than a run. And it was profitable. It worked. Have you switched to the Marlins? I have.

Speaking of the Marlins, last night they were underestimated. Let's go out to some video and some sound from the MLB network here. Yamamoto is opening for the Dodgers. They're sort of laughing at the Marlins, and Yamamoto is capable of shutting anyone down. And here's the analysis as they lead into the game. Don't take this the wrong way, but we are already a no-hitter alert. Yoshinobu Yamamoto, before he throws a single pitch tonight

against the Marlins, we have a no-hitter alert. Enjoy what could be a no-hitter from Yamamoto. You know, Jazz, when your first pitch. Right here on MLB Network for Harold. You see why I'm Greg. We have a no-hitter alert. Bethencourt first pitch, swinging Jazz with a high-fly ball. Deep right center field, and the Marlins are on the

We show them 8-2 final you give up a grand slam in the bottom of the first one First pitch of the game though though, when you put everyone on no hitter alert? That's great. That's how you promote a game coming up on your network. Yep. But as Stu got said, while moaning and having difficulty

getting up over some headsets that were on the floor, what a night on the ice. What a night on the ice! Can we talk about a game? Can we break down a game? Can we break down a game? Because this double OT game. I want that heady play. The heady play, a literal heady play.

Jacob Truba should probably get suspended for this. So there was a lot of moments in this game that felt like a fever dream. You think you're watching the end of an overtime, but then you're sent to Dallas for some godforsaken reason. And then this play that I also thought the TV was broken when I looked up at it because a player was stuck in the glass for a half a beat.

So here in this play, you have Jacob Truba looking to kill Natchez, Martin Natchez for the Carolina Hurricanes. He extends his elbow. He is looking to decapitate this Carolina Hurricane. For those of you not watching, he lands like a dart. Lawn darts straight into the glass, and for a half a beep, is stuck in the glass,

completely horizontal. He should be suspended for this, because he attempted to kill that man. Parallel to the ice, he is, yeah, he's parallel to the ice with his helmet stuck in the glass. Jacob Trouper has six penalties so far in two games. Six penalties, and that one should've been

a charging penalty. He was also the first one up, and then skated right off before the guy that slid onto the floor. Well, because his knee hit his helmet, that's why I think it's gonna get him. That would have Luke out for months, Jimmy Butler months.

It spawned a bunch of great memes, but I don't know how you outgoon Matt Rempey in a series, because Matt Rempey, I don't know if you're- Can he fight? Can he fight? Matt Rempey, and we have an image of Matt Rempey, so you can see if you're familiar with this guy's work. He's six foot seven. His job is to be a goon, muddy stuff up in front of the net,

and use every inch of that six foot seven frame. He also fancies himself an enforcer but he's a terrible enforcer. He likes to fight all the time but that face right there, that image is a good example of how this usually goes for a guy who's six foot seven has all the reach in the world. Bad fighter. That is a great comedy skit. The guy who goes through an NHL life thinking he's a goon, but he's no good at it. He's also a rookie. He's done some things this season that has not been good in his league. Oh, the Ranger fans love him by the

way. Oh, he is the, the, the rempire state. They love. Rempire state building. Yeah. They love this dude. He has become an icon and I a name. And I'm not really sure, he did score once in the playoffs and it was unavoidable. He has become a cult hero over there. There's rumpy jerseys everywhere. This guy is an immense star because he's playing in New York. But you guys are saying he's just tall.

He's just tall. He's just tall. He likes to fight, but he's not good at it. Short guys are kicking his ass left and right, but look at that face How can you not love him? He's too tall to be hitting people every time he hits somebody about I don't know about five inches shorter than he is he ends Up elbowing them in the face in all seriousness though

Truba's gonna get suspended for that right because the rule is intent. Yeah, he has his elbow He intended to kill him. He intended to. That's intent to injure. That is suspending. The suspension should be for manslaughter. But the end result was him getting lawn dorted into the glass.

He'd have to be dead. This goes into that whole quacky doctor situation again. This guy has wingspan though. It's not height, it's wingspan. Rempy can be winning fights because of wingspan though it's not height it's wingspan. Rampy can be winning fights because of wingspan. He's awful at fighting. Yeah and his hair keeps flying back because of the amount of fist that he's getting in the face. He's got wingspan though I'd tell you that. Well when he goes out there to fight I would not want to fight him because in that sport with wingspan they tend to pull your jersey up over your head and you know they they grab

the side of you and keep you. He should win these fights with his wingspan. He is. His old defense is I'm gonna eat this punch with my face to set up my foot. You think you can beat me? Watch my nose, eat your fist. But the thing is it's not like he's got a great jaw either his face becomes because he oh every time he gets into a fight What I love a good old-fashioned goon But you got to be good at it You can't gonna be in time. He's very tall. He's six foot seven. He's tall. There's no denying. He's tall six foot seven. He's tall. There's no denying he's tall. Stugats, can we talk for a second about the Celtics and instead of celebrating every moment of theirs as they drag people because they've been a machine the entirety of the season, I believe that the people listening to this

I believe that the people listening to this think that the only flaw that the Celtics have as a basketball team and I'm telling you Stu Gatz, I don't remember the 72-win Warriors winning specifically this way where the point differential was up here, it was close, but the point differential was up here and all the games were just stacks of occasionally they play a play a game in the one thirties with atlanta because they're just fooling around in its clothes but the games are thirty points twenty points and it's just consistently they throttle you and then just keep the lead there's no back and forth the celtics though i'd believe their only flaw

in perception is they better not play close ones they'd they'd better not be actually tested right and and have at the end of games it's not everyone gets to score in this night it's going to be derrick white and jaylen brown when everything gets cleared out what's going to happen all it's going to be tatum is going to be a long jumper that's that's what it's going to be when the games get close do they have another flaw because it is

statistically one of the best teams we've ever seen the way they win games the difference between them and everyone else in the league I think that's the only flaw like how they'll react big spot close game What will Tatum do Tatum wasn't even good last night the Celtics still won by 25 points Derek White has been Absolutely amazing what a find what a trade amazing, but you ask yourself When are they gonna have close games who are they gonna have close games against and I'm afraid they're not gonna have them until the NBA Finals like maybe a close game or two with the Knicks and that's about it. I mean... Do you guys find interesting the way that Tatum is covered?

I do. I think it's interesting because he's sort of gotten in his young career the opposite treatment of what LeBron got. Both came in with huge expectations, but LeBron was surrounded by nothing in a franchise that was known for nothing. Okay, but LeBron's expectations were way higher. Were younger and doubled. No, it's very different.

Well, not much younger. It was one year younger. Way higher. Way higher. No, no, but the expectations were with him since high school. Yes. He came in as a number two overall pick in a draft where, did Foltz go number one in that draft?

It was three. It was Foltz, Ball, Tatum. But the premise being, he was drafted into a pretty good organization, has played with star after star after star that they've brought in as guards to be number one options when he was younger. Played with Kyrie. Kyrie Irving, Gordon Hayward was supposed to be someone that they brought in for him now.

Poor Zingus, Drew Holliday. There's all these guys that have been around this young core and they've made one finals thus far. They'll make another finals this year. But consistently. We'll see. At the end of games, we've seen they've struggled and he's the de facto closer and yet,

understandably, because he's a great player, this is not me hating on Jason Tatum, I think he's one of the five best players in the league probably, but it's interesting that he's not really ripped by anybody for not being able to get there, win the championship when he's been surrounded by great teams for most of his career.

Their one hurdle has been the Miami Heat with Jimmy Butler and Bam Edibayo, where LeBron was facing the end of a Detroit Pistons dynasty, Wade and Shaq, the big three in Boston, and yet he was getting ripped for not winning the big one. It's the way that they fail too. It's he goes missing or he's not very good. And he puts on the Kobe arm band,

he does have a road game seven win and and people attribute like that mamba mentality to that one thing but this is a bizarre one because he's got a teammate in Jalen Brown that it when this goes south if it does and they run into a better team in the NBA finals he's gonna get the blame this is not a Russell Westbrook Kevin Durant situation Jason Tatum is so much better than Jalen Brown. Is he? Yes, so much better.

Because Jalen Brown has a $300 million contract. Is he not? Yeah, but that's not. That's the NBA. The next man. But he's not. You argue that Tatum is Kevin Durant, and now you're sitting here saying

he's not better than Jalen Brown? Keep some inventory of your takes, man! Sharpen the tools. You're part of the problem.