The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Local Hour: I Need Some Light On My Face

Episode Date: July 10, 2024

Today's cast: Pablo, Domonique, Samson, Chris, Billy, Charlie, Jeremy, and JuJu. This team is falling apart because Domonique, David, and Pablo can't put their egos to the side as each one of them wants to be in the "Dan seat." The crew discusses the best role for each person on the show and the worst seat position. Then, Mike Gundy delivers a wild quote after a player's DUI, Lamine Yamal is taking the world by storm as a 16-year-old footballer, and a discussion on child stars in both acting and movies. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Nope, nope. We don't have to start there. We don't have to start there. Before I came down here, there was a few weeks ago, I guess, or months ago maybe, there was a segment on this show that made me sad. And I was determined to help rectify this for the members of the show. First of all, play the little portion that upset me. I went in the margins.

I'm like- You're Moneyball of sex? I'm basically Scott Hattaburr for f**king. Lotta walks, but I'm on base. Other dudes, they can be Giambi. You know your role, you play well. I know my role. So, I was disappointed.

My god, like every now and then, you gotta put up some numbers. Like I'm not saying that you gotta be Jordan, but I believe that everybody gotta have an impressive game every now and then. So I have arranged for us later in the show, and I think this is a service to all of us here, and a service to our listeners. I've arranged for a sex educator

to come and help us get better. We gotta work on our game. Every off season, add something to your game. What, you look nervous, David. It's appropriate. I am so excited. Oh, God. Can I get a private tutorial?

Cancel it, cancel it. Cancel it. We'll get to that eventually. I wanted to make sure that everyone knew. Let's listen because I think that people could benefit from this. That's not what I'm talking about, Dominique. I have no problem with your sex therapist coming in.

And I guess literally. Is it his specific sex therapist? Nah. I don't know who it is. I'm a little in the dark today. Nah, it's not my only no help name. Well, you're in Stu's chair. I'm a natural.

You're playing the part. Can we take people behind the curtain of what's actually happening here? Dominique's trying to host a show from the big chair. He's trying to be the Dan, and I'm in the Stu chair, and David's in the Greg chair, and the tension before we started was legitimately uncomfortable.

It was. We've had a great week, guys. Great week. We ended yesterday, if you haven't watched, listened to yesterday's show, the vibes were as high as I think they've been. I don't know, you guys behind the glass, Chris Cody, Billy Gill, Charlie Craven,

Juju Gotti, Jeremy Spier juju guy. I love their excitement Yesterday I thought it felt like being on what I imagine a team a sports team might be like or a debate team After a big debate. Have you never been on a sports team Pablo? I would varsity debate. Yeah, so no That is a speed that's a sports team. No, it's not debate. It's a team. I play that game. Thank you, David It really is a bar sit. Oh, no, is it a team? It's a team, but is it a sport? No, it's not a sport. It's different. He said sports team. We're getting off track. Okay. Yeah, let's get focused David hates Dominique so so deeply I gathered that on Monday So, so deeply. I gathered that on Monday though.

No, the thing is, the awesome thing about David and why I've thoroughly enjoyed working with him, anytime I've worked with him, is the thing, the title of his show, most of the time I think he really believes in. I don't think he takes any of this personally until now. So like us debating. I'm not taking this personally.

This is just you trying to peacock where the three of us were asked to be here and there are three chairs. There's a rotation that is a normal rotation. Pablo, day one, Dominique, day two, and it was me in that chair day three. I'm not talking about this because this is, I'm not gonna demean our audience by thinking that this is worthy

of talking about, but you and your desire to be in charge when we are equals, this is how teams lose, is the way you're at. But this is the playoffs. Jeremy just made a great analogy back here that you'll understand. This is like in the playoffs, you're the number four pitcher and we're skipping your start and we're going to...

Wow. Whoa. You're not number four pitcher and we're skipping your start and we're going to. Wow. Whoa. You're not even Brad Petty. So listen. Oh. You're not even. It's just a good analogy. This is a big moment.

I would have used. I can go? I would have used. No, Carl Pavano would have. I would have used a different analogy. Number four star is not. This is not what he needs to be done. You don't need it.

Where are you going? This isn't a strong start. Number four. Yeah. Should I not going in a strong start? Should I not have run with that analogy damn that was an analogy so welcome to today's everything personal with David Sampson It's an awesome show it used to be called nothing personal, but now apparently takes everything personally So I would have used a different analogy. I think that I would have thought of us more like a basketball, you're welcome back, like a basketball team, or a football team.

So let's stick with the basketball analogy. David, great player. Were you about to demean your own position that you actually played in the NFL by appointing yourself a quarterback? No, you're so smart, that's why you're captain of the debate team. I saw that coming, like a cornerback, I saw that coming a mile away.

So, there are different positions. And right now, just because you're the point guard does not mean that you're the best player. And I want David to know that I believe- Are you going Kyrie Irving, Brooklyn Nets era, we're all coaches right now? No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that there are different people.

Positionless basketball? I'm being completely honest. Like the jokes aside, I think that different people have different assets and I think the best role for David is where he is, saying inflammatory things that make me look good. The best role for Pablo, honestly, I think Pablo is the best host of all of us.

So why am I not in that chair? Fair point, Pablo. There's no way that you guys are doing this. This seems unfair today. Host this thing, baby. Come host this thing, baby. Do your thing, Pablo. You're not given.

Do your thing, show how good you are, Pablo. I can't wait. Damn, clearly from Barry to Henry. Get out of this show, hello? David, I have a question for you. How was this trip pitched to you? Cause like, I was sitting in Chris's seat on Monday and I came in and had to kind of figure out

who's sitting where and I just asked you guys like who wants to sit where? And the decisions were kind of made and you were hosting your show at the time so I didn't really think much of it but were you told you were hosting? Like what was told to you guys when you guys were booked to come down here?

That we were coming down, the three of us, to do four shows, and then they're bailing, and that it's just me on Friday. Wow. You can sit there on Friday. Yeah. I'm not sitting, I'll tell you right now, Chris. You guys can have fun Friday.

They're bailing. I agreed to stay the entire week. I'm sitting right in this damn chair. Wow. I wanna know, I wanna turn the camera around to you guys. How does this work? How do you guys and your seating arrangement, how does that work?

Is Juju is sitting like in the back. Juju's in the bleachers right now. He's not even near a microphone. I think he is listening, but he has, of course he has shades on, but it's confusing. I hate this chair more than any chair in this entire studio, but we have a guest,

so I'm gonna let Charlie sit where I love to sit, and Billy sits where I love to sit also. But this is the blackest chair. I think black people sit in the back today, so I'm just following y'all rules. Oh man, I mean, well. Comment, Charlie? I try to sit as close to Billy as possible.

He's my buddy. Two is in the front row. Oh God can we talk about why? Shopping I I can't stand it. Yeah, you know what's real and what's not you hate it because you texted the show production group chat This morning asking should we talk about to a tongue of I lo being in the front row of the Trump rally and Apparently he wasn't apparently that was a very easily detectable Photoshop. By who? Not Clay Travis.

He retweeted it. Said look who's gonna be here. Owned. He retweeted as though he believed it. But yeah, well I mean a lot of people believe it. I think it serves its purpose. I mean I don't know who did the actual Photoshop, but like, who is gonna have to answer questions now

about going to a Trump rally he didn't go to. Someone will ask him about that. I think the assumption is he was there because of the photo. To describe the photo, it's not a Photoshopped photo of Tua. It is a placard on a white chair that says, Tua Tungabailoa, and next to that is Eric Trump's placard. Why would that be Baronron Trump's seat?

Wouldn't you sit in age order? Because I feel like that was an aisle seat. And I would think that the oldest sibling would be on the aisle, and that Barron would be more... Barron's like 7'1". He needs the aisle. Stretch the legs. Also, curating.

They're like, let's put the best curating here towards the end. If you want a sense of how earnestly David Sampson pays attention to who's sitting where, that question, which was incredibly genuine, kinda says everything. That was a 65 inch, that was a 65 inch take. I did. Juju, we gotta right this wrong.

Front row, Juju, front row, baby. Yeah, why is there a front row? Not while I'm here. I didn't realize that you felt. That front row made black people look so black'm here I didn't realize that you felt That front row made black people look so black, rugby looking black, charcoal in that seat boy y'all be zooming in too but I don't want to sit that close to the goddamn camera I need some light in my face goddamn but I love but I'm not emotional

I'm just living my life, I love being here, I'm happy to be here No one likes the front row for whatever reason That chair, the seats that we see front row right. That was a magical rant. Because it's true. If you looked at how, I don't know how Roy has been shot lately when it comes to lighting, but I remember being here last year and being like,

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I know you haven't, you were doing work this morning and David, I think you were discussing the Mike Gundy topic on your show this morning, your show, Everything Personal with David Sampson. You can download it, rate rate review it anywhere you want. But we got some sound from Mike Gundy. So Mike Gundy. I haven't seen it yet. You understand that Mike Gundy's.

You don't know anything that's going on with Mike Gundy? Give some context before. All I see right now is a still screenshot of Mike Gundy and he looks just as a entity ridiculous. But to be fair, a still shot when you're in the middle of a video, you can catch people blinking. I mean, you can find any still shot. It's not his facial expression, David.

It's just my Gundy looking like my Gundy. Does he have a high and tight mullet? Yes, he does. Jesus. So the story is that he has an all-American player named Ollie Gordon II, and there's alcohol, drunk driving involved, and it turns out that you'd think there'd be a driving involved and it turns out you'd think there'd be a punishment but it turns out that in his mind the

punishment would only be we're gonna play him more not less and he was serious but that's not the worst part about what happened with mike on so i looked it up on my phone what would be the legal limit like in Oklahoma is.08 and Ollie was.1 so I looked it up and it was based on body weight not to get into the legal side of it but I thought really two or three beers or four I'm not just fine with all I

did I'm telling you what decision I made. Well, I thought I'd probably done that a thousand times in my life. And, you know, it was just fine. So I got lucky, people get lucky. Ollie made a decision that he wished he could have done better. But when I talked to Ollie, I told him,

I said, you're lucky you got out light because you make a lot of money. I'm incensed. Because he then tried to cover it up. He got in trouble. His PR department and the P&T. No! He got in trouble for that?

What was wrong with that? The claim was, no, no, I didn't say I was drunk driving a thousand times. I said I've made a thousand bad decisions in my life, except that's a dangling modifier. He said he got lucky, meaning he got lucky he didn't get banged for drunk driving. We have another clip.

He's gonna play, and I'm gonna do what I think, what we think is best for Oklahoma State football, and I think it's best for Olley to play. If there's any punishment, it's make him carry the ball 50 times in the first game. Is that the police coming for Mike Gundy? It should be the AD coming for his job because he would not survive this if I'm the AD of Oklahoma State. I mean you've said that you're incensed, you're upset, but you haven't explained specifically what about it. He's got a responsibility. He's got a responsibility to lead men, to lead young men, whether they're employees, whether they're making money

with NIL, whatever age they are, he has a responsibility. He is the face of a university. The football coach is the face. And what he is saying, and four days ago, was it four days ago? Can we pause for a second to acknowledge that? I believe the audience should be aware of what has been happening,

which is that there is a giant fire alarm. It happens all the time. Okay, very good. So we're not gonna die? No. Okay, proceed. I mean, we all are gonna die. A very boy who cried wolf situation here

where the big one's coming at some point, but no one's ever concerned, because it's a daily occurrence. And so when they say in your ear, if you're gonna be in that chair, when they say ignore the alarm and keep going, what that means is you don't need to talk about it on the show.

Ooh. Yeah, not sure I agree with that as the host of the show. I believe in you, Chris. Thank you, David. At what point does the, and so Mike Gundy deserves to obviously be criticized for this ridiculous take, but at what point does- Is it a take?

I mean, or- Like, this is what bothered me about it. It's not like a Stephen A. Smith take. In his mind, what he was saying is, hey, we all drink and drive, and four days ago, what's the name of the Minnesota Vikings player? I believe he just died and got killed by a drunk driver. Absolutely. Four days ago.

So the point that I'm making is, I think it goes higher than Mike Gundy. Mike Gundy is not new to this type of nonsense. We were doing a little reading about Mike Gundy's past this morning and he allegedly is responsible for a lot of recruiting violations is one thing that he's been alleged of, but that's not as awful as some of the things that he's been accused of as far as like interviewing the orange hostesses, which are like the women who are there to welcome the recruits

and arranging for them to have a good time with some of the recruits. These are accusations. I said allegedly twice. Oh, you got nervous, get a third allegedly? I'm tied to you. Ever since Juju called out Kravitz, He's been he's been a little jumpy. Oh Allegedly well, I did not say one word to Charlie Kravitz today

I didn't I didn't call Charlie out. We're good. Sorry to sit by his friend Billy If I mean it would be make sense to Billy said his ass up there, so Charlie follow his ass up there For 14 years See what I'm saying? Look what you just. I would be glad. You may have been in this seat for 14 years. You see what I'm saying? Look what you just did to me. Now Billy mad at me. I blame Pablo. This is all Pablo's fault.

I just was sitting down minding my business. You done brought me into this. That's messed up, Pablo. I apologize. Would David have done this? David was in that seat or? Absolutely not. And you'll find that out on Friday.

Well, Friday you're gonna be a Nazi you said. Yeah I've changed my mind. Now that I see what's happening here, we need a captain. There needs to be a leader of men and Mike Gundy is not that leader. You're talking about things that he allegedly did. This is not alleged. This is his, unless it's a Photoshopped.

I've seen that on the internet recently. Oh like deep fakes? Where people are pretending they're talking but it's not themped. I've seen that on the internet recently. Oh, like deep fakes? Where people are pretending they're talking, but it's not them talking. Pretty sure this isn't that. So this is him's, so he really did say this? He released a statement afterwards, so yeah, this is a real thing,

and this is really how he feels. I think the concerning part is, you're right, the leadership of men situation is like a cliche, but I get the point, it is about the example that you set. And to be fair, I don't wanna get up here and get all grandstandy, holier than thou, and act like I haven't been a part of teams where it is understood that we say certain things behind,

or when there are no cameras, and then we say certain things to the camera. The shocking thing to me is not that Mike Gundy feels or says the things that he says. The shocking thing to me is that he's been a coach since, remember I'm a man, I'm 40, that was like 15 years ago. Like 56 now.

The shocking thing is, I'm a man, I'm 56, I've been a head coach of a major college football program for this long and you put a mic in front of my face and I'm still stupid? So we're on the same page because what goes on, and people have called me hypocritical because of this, but what goes on when you're running a team is that I'm gonna move right past that dude

and I'm gonna say. I wanna fight him. Call my dog a hypocrite. Do you have a dog? So here's my issue. We're gonna have. Can we have a running list? We get another journal note for David.

Yes, Dominique. No, no, no, no, no. All right, go ahead, I'm sorry. I think that we, I love that we are jocular, but this is not, to me, this was not a jocular moment. And I took it seriously, I'm not being personal, I'll take it seriously here in front of people. There are different things that go on

when there's no cameras in a clubhouse. There are, and we've acknowledged that. But this is so irresponsible that you cannot and should not be able to come back from that by claiming you were talking about something else, which is what everyone does when they're caught. No, no, you misunderstood me. Or no, no, I'm a sex addict.

Or no, no, I need rehab for whatever when they're caught. No, no, you misunderstood me. Or no, no, I'm a sex addict. Or no, no, I need rehab for whatever when I get caught. This is him making it okay. He is making the behavior okay and it's just not okay. Talk to Kyrie Jackson's family, it's just not okay. But nobody expects anything to actually happen here. Or do you? Do you think that this is a Rubicon for Mike Gundy? This is finally the thing?

If Ollie Gordon were a worse player, I don't think Mike Gundy survives it. But I think that Olly Gordon... No, I mean if Olly Gordon was a worse player, I don't think Olly Gordon survives it. And so there would be no uproar for Mike Gundy. The only reason why he's getting 50 carries is not to be a punishment to Olly Gordon. It's because you're getting 50 carries because... And he said it in that statement. He said, we're gonna do what's best for Oklahoma State. That was the first thing he said before he said anything

about I'm offended or appalled by his actions or we need to make sure that we're raising our men to take responsibility. He said, I do the same shit, let's get a dub. Basically, let's translate it that like, let's try to win this Heisman, Olly. All of this reminds me, David, especially of like how like what role sometimes the media has to play if we're going to live in a society.

Like I immediately I see this on the Internet. I see this now for the first time. And I'm like. We can move past this as an Internet, as a people who are online, like within an hour. Like, oh, yeah, my gutty says something stupid, I see people saying stupid things, who are employed, who are everywhere all of the time,

they may even get elected. The thing about what the media has to do though, is be the thing that Dominique said he wanted to avoid, which is, we have to be the scold. Like, in the absence of a school that's gonna do something, we have to be on some serious level, and we're a show of course that wants to be both stupid and smart, we have to do the smart thing

of saying like, we all actually agree that this feels like a boundary we can't take unseriously. Like this feels, does this feel fireable? Yes to all of us on like a moral level, and maybe it's the Lifetime Achievement Award of stupidity. But it's just like, yeah, I guess that's what the media has to do, which is where the media gets to be campaigned against all of the time.

Some things last more than an hour. Some things have legs. And I think that's Pablo's, that's what Pablo's point is. And so this is, this to me is one of those things. But how do things last more than an hour. Some things have legs. And I think that's Pablo's, that's what Pablo's point is. And so this is, this to me is one of those things. But how do they last more than an hour? You need someone to be like, sorry to break up the jokes, but this is f***ed up. You need a booster.

You need someone, it's like when sponsors walk away from a team because you're associating with a player, you need that. And the sponsors are the boosters. You need someone to come in and say, hey, we don't wanna be associated now with this program. But we're also assuming that boosters have this moral high ground that they live on.

They just want to be relevant, right? And Oklahoma State is not, right? But with the new playoff system, I think they were ranked 16th last year like they're right on the edge of relevancy there and Oli Gordon I think is the best running back in college football so are they going to risk getting rid of their coach and then

maybe not being relevant anymore over these comments like they probably won't take that moral stand he's proud they're probably going to agree with Gundy that they should do what's best for Oklahoma State and give him 50 carries. Maybe that is a punishment. Does he normally get, do we know how many his average carries are? What if his average carries are only 20 and he really does view 50 as a punishment because he'd be all tired?

The, I think that this is... His high was 34 in a game last year. So I guess that's a punishment. He's going to it's work harder part of the challenges I think with being like a Intelligent Modern person is that you are capable of rationalizing anything is I could understand and Depending on your perspective and where you are in this situation I could understand how someone and that school would say that,

okay, Ali did something stupid, but Ali is so important to everything that we are doing here, we're not going to punish everyone else by punishing Ali for doing something stupid. And I also could understand them coming to that same rationale. I'm not saying it's right, and I think Pablo's right to call me, frankly, personally, to the carpet and saying that I'm like pointing out that I understand that these things are said and we've seen before, the differences that he's said publicly. I'm completely comfortable with that,

but I think part of it also is like what, and this is just being completely honest, it's not a defense, but I feel like what is actually going to happen? Because I know how this works, and because he said this does not mean that people are going to happen. Because I know how this works. And because he said this, does not mean that people are going to behave any differently. I think that a lot of college football coaches,

and I've played college football and professional football, the point is we need to go win games. And anything that gets in the way of that is gonna be a problem. Now if we create a big enough stink, or if the media creates a big enough stink around this Olly Goren thing, then that gets in the way of them making money,

it gets in the way of sponsorships, it gets to the point where people aren't buying tickets, where people are choosing not to go there because of it, or it's distracting their players, then there's a reaction to it. So I guess that's... Dominique, did you really need to do mental gymnastics to go pro player on this story out of nowhere,

where you could've just been like, yeah, it's sort of f***ed up. You shouldn't have done that. Isn't that the way simpler take? Thanks, Charlie. Damn. I'm not gonna say the trend I'm noticing with who Charlie is at war with today.

Their first game's also against South Dakota State, so you could be like, you know what, Ollie, you're not playing the first game, but South Dakota State was undefeated last year. It's the Harbaugh-Michigan plan. Suspend them for the games early that don't matter and say now everything's okay. The problem with that is he's a Heisman candidate. And winning a Heisman trophy means a lot more to the institution than, like it can change

the way that they're going. And every, the Heisman is a lot based on the statistics statistics and so you are missing a game where you could possibly get three touchdowns in 250 yards that's gonna change your Heisman possibilities. What you're saying is that Ali Gordon is no fourth starter. When you're hiring for your small business you want to find quality professionals that are right for the role. That's why you have to check out LinkedIn jobs. LinkedIn jobs has the tools to help find the right professionals for your team, faster and for free.

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Oh, there's a brand new kid in town Out of BYU Stugats They call him Pooka Pooka Pooka Nakua Pooka Nakua His quarterback is not named Tuwa Yeah

Yeah he is Pooka Pooka Pooka Nakua This is the Dan Lebatar Show With the Stugarts. So on the list of stories that I feel like, oh wow, I was looking at the drag, the over-rear, the trick of the show on the side screen. Distracted. That's a preview that no one can see.

Very good. So speaking of things that I have never seen before. We are off to a rough start. You shouldn't switch seats. I miss you, Dominique. I miss you, man. I don't like the dynamic that's forming around me. Speaking of things that Pablo hasn't seen.

There's this kid who's 16 years old who's like the biggest celebrity in the world, and he's not an influencer. He's not one of the normal 16 year olds. I'm used to suddenly being a thing causing like giant riots because they're streaming in Europe or something like Kaisenat or Speed or any of these other young people that I'm now gonna pretend that I've known about

for a long time. Who wants to explain the kid from Spain? Who wants to explain this story for people who know nothing about this story? Yamal is a player for Spain who's 16 years old, who last year in the U17 Euros scored a incredible goal that sort of went viral. We knew he was a soccer prodigy.

And yesterday against France, he had been scoreless in the Euros, took one dribble into the center of the field with his left foot and banged home a goal that was unbelievable and tied the game at 1-1. After being called out by the defender who was actually defending him on that play. So the fact that this kid, that this kid is 16 years old. Are we numb to this? Today is gonna be a show about asking ourselves, are we numb to this?

And this one, I was admittedly kinda numb to it until I saw that photo of Leo Messi with this kid. Who was seven months old. Who was seven months old. When Leo was 20. And Messi scored yesterday in the Copa Semi. So they're calling him like the next Messi because he plays for Barcelona.

His parents are, I think his mom is from Equatorial Guinea or Equatorial Guinea and his dad is from Morocco, but he was born in Spain. And he was at a, it says in this article in The Guardian, it says that 17 years ago, Messi was holding a baby for a charity calendar, and the baby that he was holding happened to be this kid, the greatest player in Barcelona history.

Describe this photo, look at this. Leo Messi is in... So, yeah, you can see this photo, I'm sorry, go ahead, describe the photo. No, there's like a plastic blue tub, and there is a baby, like a straight up, you know. Big baby. It's a baby.

Chris Cody said it. It's a big baby. It's a baby, though. And that's the tub where you wash infants. Or you do it in the sink or in that sort of tub. And Leo Messi- Bonafides. Leo Messi dressed in a, a frock-like white, I would say.

A cleaing this baby. I think it's interesting, incredibly interesting, because it feels so random, and it sets you up to be able to say that the reason why he is so good is because Messi was the one bathing him, because the shock is not, no, I think. Like touch by God?

What else does this photo imply? He's the best, like it's absurd, we talk, we- What other photo exists like this? It's like he's baptizing this kid. We spent most of yesterday talking about how incredible Cooper Flag was for playing well in an exhibition game. This kid is 17 years old balling out in the Euros.

16. 16 years old balling in the Euros and also in Spanish football. We're six months away from LeBron pretending he did this to Cooper Flagg. And Dominique, I think that this show is live, but if you had thought this show was coming out next week, he does turn 17 Saturday,

and I think that's what my teammate meant. That is very good hosting by you, David. Is it? On opposite day. I, so, I've gotten used to seeing pictures of young stars with, like, LeBron. You see that all the time, because those guys are like the best players

in their age group, so you go and take that picture where it's like, all right, like Jason Tatum with LeBron. But the idea that they did it when he was an infant, to me is incredible. Are we saying that he was an actor? I misunderstood. I thought it was part of a promotional thing.

I believe so. That he was, this was a photo shoot and it had nothing to do with soccer at all. This was an advertisement for Johnson & Johnson baby wash I missed that part I don't think it was an advertisement I think it was it says a charity calendar shoot we can get some more information I think you know who the person I want to find want to find out about who wasn't in this photo Leo Messi's wife I just want to point out

that that was a joke for Chris and Billy and Charlie why you don't Jeremy and I want to apologize I want to go get it because juju that was not those juju happened was I'm with you I I have no idea what you said. We were giving him crap for using an opposite day joke. And then we said, you need to do a not joke next. And then I said, after you do the not joke, you need to hit him with my wife. But we missed the not joke.

We did, we skipped to the one. One of the things that I don't love is all of the private conversations that go on during a show. Because it reminds me a bit of high school or grade school where you feel like you're missing something and we're trying to be a cohesive team, yet there's constant buttons being pressed

and things being said, and I'm in a buttonless seat for the third day in a row. Yet we're all pushing your buttons. I can't, it's not that hard. You know me for two decades. You know exactly where they reside. So I had a solution to this. We're doing that segment later, David.

What do you think about not being able to work as a professional athlete anywhere in the world at a uniform age of 17? You wanna make it a uniform rule. Have a legal age limit. A legal age limit so there's no moving. So in baseball, I see your brow is furrowed. Yeah.

And Jesse's good, you look great. I believe that there are people who move around to try to get into a different school or try to do something to become draft eligible, to try to skirt the rules. What if you, including moving to different countries, different cities, what if you just made it uniform?

First certificate, 17, then you can go ahead and be a professional athlete. Well, I mean, my immediate assumption is the world is not uniform, so sometimes moving gets you better access to training and support and financial resources that if you are in, if you're an incredible soccer player and a Brazilian favela, if you happen to have that skill and that gets you to Spain where your family can get access to more resources, then I think having a uniform age actually hurts the athlete because I assume, knowing what I know about you,

that the reason why you're instituting this rule is to protect the young athlete, right? I'm making it so this one just hit me differently. Thinking about my kids at 16, thinking about me at 16, thinking about the platform that he's on, the scrutiny that he's under. Yes, he scored a goal, but as we pointed out, he hadn't scored in the Euros the whole time,

where people get it. What if he didn't score and the team lost? I mean, there's so many things, the pressure. He's a kid. 16 is, even though he turned 17, the pressure, he's a kid. 16 is, even though he turned 17 Saturday, even, he's a child. Do you feel? 17's not a child, I mean.

So at some point we have to choose. So we choose 21 to drink, we choose 18 to vote, we choose 16 to drive in certain places, but 18 to drive in other places. Do you feel this way about actors? I love where your head's at, so I gave that a lot of thought. And no, I don't.

Because in order to have a family portrayed on the screen or in a movie, you have to have children. Now, you can go back to Shakespeare, where all the men played women. And because they didn't allow women, so you could have Brad Williams play every part of a child. OK. I just, I just, so. could have Brad Williams play every part of a child. You have thought about this. I have.

Slow it down a little bit. It appears that originally, that you're looking to protect the young athlete, but you're looking to protect them until it gets in the way of something that you like. So like you're different. No, I love soccer. No, I understand, but you're saying that it's not it's still not okay for child actors But how we go portray families on TV go ahead and expose them to this but soccer players

It's fine because we can portray a professional team without a 16 year old seem like Spain really needed this kid Seem like the nation of Spain really needed this 16 year old. My point is, if you're standing on a moral ground to say that this is about protecting these young kids. It's not moral, Dominique, it's just felt. Right, forget moral, it's about defending them, protecting them.

It seems odd to me that you wanna protect them until it means, oh, now our movie's gonna be weird. So we can expose these kids to things that are much more dangerous because we've seen child actors have a lot tougher lives post more than child stars, or child sports stars. But there would be plenty more roles for. Brad.

Again? Brad. You said Brad Williams, so it kinda opened the door. Oh, I did say Brad Williams. That's why you're so late. That's why I brought it back. Brad! I think there's a difference.

You've been in a clubhouse. You've been a player in a clubhouse. Children, imagine a 16-year-old on your football team. Oh yeah, no, I get what you're saying, but I would say the same thing is true for many kids in acting. Like, they get into drugs and sex and drinking and parties and things that are much more, I think there's true for many kids in acting. Like they get into drugs and sex and drinking and parties

and things that are much more, I think there's probably the rule that you should institute is that there is some sort of protection for them, not that you just ban. Well, they have that in acting and it just doesn't work. And I don't know, I know that we didn't have babysitters for our young players and Josh Hamilton had a babysitter because of his past,

but we let young players come up and it must be in the NFL too. No. When you're 20, there's a babysitter because of his past, but we let young players come up and it must be in the NFL too. There's no babysitter for a 22 year old. Yeah, they're 22 though, they're not 16. What's the youngest player you ever played with? Probably 21, 20, something like that. So you did have underage. Well you have to be three years removed from high school.

So under drinking age. Under drinking age. Yeah, there was some kids who had like matriculated through grade school earlier and got to the league, but it's a rarity. You know, most of the time you're 21, 22 years old when you get to the NFL. So it's a different situation.

You know, there's a parallel argument though that on the team side, I have heard executives make. Michael Jordan actually made this argument as an owner of the Wizards because he was against letting kids go from high school to the NBA. And part of the reason was actually when you get into the the lottery of, I guess in the draft lottery, a literal sense, but also the which of these kids is gonna be good as a pro, it's just really really hard. It's a symptom of the child actor phenomenon. You can have somebody who is

good in spots as a kid, but can you actually project out with such little data who's gonna be worth investing millions in? And so Michael Jordan, again, Kwame Brown, Michael Jordan, that guy was like, we need to protect owners from themselves because the temptation is gonna be, we wanna all be baptizing the next baby and win the lottery.

Isn't that just because Michael Jordan took Kwame Brown over Pagasol? Yeah, pretty much. But I mean, I think it ties back to our Barani conversation a little bit in that when you are in the professional ranks, and I guess European football is different because they have a process to help their players develop,

but when you're in the professional ranks, we don't really have as much time for player development. So I think that it's risky sometimes, and you can change the trajectory of your career if you move on to the next step before you're ready to. And like, if you're, I know some players who are really talented but young, they might move up into higher levels of basketball,

but they're still small. And so then their shot becomes a little deformed because they're trying to get it over taller players. So I think all this stuff needs to be weighed into it, but I don't think that the most important thing is that we have movies with kids in them. I think that we hear more about child stars who have a problem than we hear about young athletes

who flame out and their lives. I mean, we hear the Ryan Leifs of the world, but you don't, there's way more. I mean, I would think that's because they aren't famous. So the child star becomes famous, and then we hear about their problems because they're famous. The young athlete never becomes famous

because they never become good. I think there are lots of stories of athletes who have made poor decisions and gone to wrong places. And probably baseball would be the place where it would happen a lot, where guys were drafted and went into the minors. There's way more. It's one of the biggest differences in baseball

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