The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Local Hour: I'm Not a Big Fan of That

Episode Date: October 11, 2023

Billy is broadcasting tonight's FIU Football game pro bono. It's a David Samson Wednesday and he, Dan, and Jeremy spend some time discussing the ongoing horror in Israel. Then, Dan is furious with the Baltimore Orioles, David implies the MLB umpires can ~influence~ the postseason results, and LeBron and Shaq want to own a team in Vegas. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to Giraffe King's Network. Chris Whittingham has made his triumphant return all the way from great broadcasting success and Apple are spending a lot of time making Apple look good Because Apple needs a lot of help as we all know They have purchased all the people and all of them work for Apple. We all have a Daily and weekly charge that Apple just takes from our account and I at this point can't even keep track of what it is that Apple's takes from our account. And I at this point can't even keep track of what it is that Apple's taking from me. I just hope MLS season passes one of them.

They're giving it all. The one of the charges. They're giving it all to Witty. I am grateful as well here to have David Samson because to guys I told you, I've been wanting to talk to him about what's going on. There's a lot of serious stuff going on and we'll get to the silly sports stuff

in a second. Billy's calling an FIU game tonight, which I'm very excited about. Full play by play. I'm one of the analysts. Nice. But for the full 60 minutes, yeah, yeah, full game. Full game? You the two?

It's Vice Night today. Need the number two guy? No, we don't need to get into numbers. Three men booth. David, you're invited to join if you want. I heard that didn't go well last time. I didn't invite you to something. You're gonna play it straight, Billy.

I'm, uh, we're figuring that out still. We'll see how that goes. I, I think I know what they need me for. And I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm cramming. I'm cramming. I'm not gonna lie. There's gonna be a little bit of cramming going on, because things have been a little hectic around here lately, so some cramming going on.

Who's you, TEP played so far? I'm, I'm cramming. I'm, I'm cramming. I'm cramming. I'm cramming. I'm cramming. I'm not gonna lie. There's gonna be a little bit of cramming going on because Things have been a little hectic around here lately, so some cramming going who's you tep played so far? You tep they're one and five That doesn't answer his question. Well, they had a bite. They're coming off of a bite so they're fresh But it looks like they're also doesn't answer it looks like they're forced to encorder about you know what you tep stands for University of Texas El Paso boom a good star I suggest that you print a roster Billy. Oh, I'm good. Don't worry. I'll be okay. Get the flip chart. The flip chart in the

press box is massive. The minor. Both rosters either side depth charts in the middle. Pronunciation guide down the bottom. Yeah. Massively important for loss. Saluiziana tech last game. Damn. Who is there? Who is there one win against? Their one win is against incarnate word? Is it word or ward? I mean it's W. Oh, Rd. That's word. Yeah, I'm carnivore Didn't Ricky Williams just a coach Carnivore was the run coach. Yes, that is correct Billy, what is the amount of car? You will be paid for this? I'm doing this as a gesture out of the kindness of my heart.

Yeah, for my alma mater. Thank you so much. What's that? Why are you doing that? Well, I want to do it for my alma mater. They ask me, so I'm going to do that. This is a lieu of donating to the school. Well, I don't make enough to donate to the school.

Chris Cody just said pro bono, which I don't think is the, is the right one. Does that when you do it for something for free? Is that what that means? Yeah, that's where it is. This for free, but do it for something for free is that what that means? Yeah, sure it is. No, this for free, but not this for free. This is. Is it only being a lawyer?

You can be pro bono for free. I think of pro bono as a legal term now the sports broadcasting term. Not an FIU against you, Tepp, term. Vice night, Dan. Are you gonna head out there? We will we will get to Billy's. I don't answer his question. He hasn't answered my questions

about how much he knows about what he's going to be broadcasting tonight, but I am grateful that David is here because he took his time. He wanted to be prepared. He didn't want to react instantaneously on Monday to the atrocities in the Middle East. And so he covered it for 30 minutes on nothing personal. Yes, and I suggest you listen to it. If you want what I believe to be a measured response that he tried, I don't know how successful he was, to take some of the emotion out of it and speak plainly about some of the things

that I think we can all agree on. So guys, I told you on Monday, I woke up, this has never happened to me before, not from drinking, not from sickness. I wake up Monday morning and I'm just so sick and I'm not actually sick, that I just vomit because what I'm seeing is that kind of horrifying. So I think after you, I think the thing that we share

in the human condition is the initial thing is to be shell-shocked. And then the next thing should be to condemn violence of any sort against innocent people, to condemn hatred of any kind terrorism, acts of terrorism, and to condemn anti-Semitism, and all forms of hate. I think reasonable people can agree in those places. But where do I go after that conversationally, David? I know that people can't even agree on that, right? That you're right. But the right, but, okay, but, okay, but we can't agree on anything.

But I think reasonable people can say, you can't go, you shouldn't go immediately from, you know, a slaughter at a school to talking immediately about gun control and talking about the politics in the places you can argue the slaughtering of the innocent people. I think we can all agree as human beings. We're not right, not right in any way and needs to be condemned loudly at every turn. But where do we go after that?

Well, I'll tell you where I had to go today because I spent about 10 minutes of the show that it just got released that I just recorded before this responding to certain of the extreme responses that I got as a reaction to my nothing personal episode yesterday. And it made me very sad because I heard from it from both sides. I heard from Jewish people who said that how dare I in any way Comment that it's possible that there are Palestinians where there could be an argument for a two-state solution or there could be an argument where the pro-Palestinian rallies that are taking place

Are anything other than antisemitism which they are? But they were angry with me because I did not simply say hard stop that it is absolutely unacceptable. What I said is unacceptable is the terrorism and that's the hard stop. What I also said is there is a real discussion to be had and it is a real debate that you can have on how to figure out the geopolitical issues

that exist in that region. Whether or not a two-state solution, what you do with Gaza, whether or not what Israel has done is correct in every way or incorrect in every way, those are meaningful discussions where reasonable people can differ. But the people, and I don't want to call them friends, I'll call them acquaintances because as I said on the show, people use that word too much. Too many friends, I don't have that many friends, I have a lot of acquaintances. But then I heard from people on the other extreme telling me that the Israelis, the women,

the children, the babies had it coming because of the way they've been treated as Palestinians. And what really bothered me about having to deal with that is it reminded me that we are now in a world, in a country, in a world where the extremes are the loudest, and the people in the center with no emotion, which is my specialty, were being quashed. Because if you don't have the emotion, and you don't have the extreme view, and you don't yell the loudest, then you're not going to be heard because you can't have the emotion and you don't have the extreme view and you don't yell the loudest, then you're not going to be heard because you can't be right.

And this situation in Israel, it calls for people who are rational and unemotional because what Hamas did was not based on rational thought or behavior, they did it because they want to kill Jews. That's all they want to do. And that's what they did and they're not going to stop. The reaction of Netanyahu in Israel is not measured. He is going to wipe out Gaza, empty it, kill them all, innocent people, guilty people, extremist,

people in the center, people who are innocent. And is that going to get to a solution? No, but he has to do it. And so now we're in a position because Hamas did this, that we are taking steps that will be decades, at least, before we can possibly find a way to return to any sort of rational behavior or existence there. And that is part of the problem. And we've seen it happen in other parts of the world. We've seen it happen in African nations when this type of genocide and murder of civilians

happens. And it sets them back economically. It sets them back religiously. It sets them back from a human condition. So I spend today not vomiting, Dan. I spend today wondering what we can do with our platform to try to be louder in the center. And whether or not there's even a chance

when you're yelling into the wind that you just stop because you lose your voice. But I don't plan on losing my voice anytime soon, Dan. Do you think there's a chance because I don't, David? I don't want to say that, Stu, because the minute I say it, I'm defeated. And the minute I, why do it? Why do a show?

Why use your platform to try to explain to people what's actually happening? And why, if you're going to be quiet, it's the old story when you're in a legal fight and you're told you have to stay quiet. Remember the Trevor Bauer? I had to be quiet. I was in the middle of a lawsuit.

Now I can tell my truth because there's no more lawsuits. Whatever his truth is, and I only bring that up because that's the most recent example of someone who was forced to be quiet and then was thrilled to not be, it's dangerous when you don't have to be quiet, but it's way more dangerous when you do. So Stu, I'm not willing to. What else has been surprising to you about the reaction to what it is that you did? Again, we'll tell the audience that he spent, this is difficult to do as subject matter. 30 minutes talking to yourself by yourself about this

is something that John Oliver has 20 writers to do once a week on subject matter that is this historic and this dense and has this much polarization around it. Before you arrive, Stugant, at what seems to me the basic formulating simplicity of any human beings can understand, don't slaughter innocent human beings. Like that seems... Most guess. That seems to be a pretty easy place for most people to agree on things but when we arrive at an

escalation samson from suicide bombers right an escalation from suicide bombers where you don't think there can be an escalation because this goes back for so much time, I don't know how it is that any of this can be discussed reasonably. Like, I don't know the smart way to discuss this with people because it is so charged emotionally. But the reason that it's charged emotionally is that people pay attention to what they're seeing and what they are really what they think they believe. So what has been troubling me the most about the reaction, which was your initial question,

is the excuse that people are now using of this terrorist attack to manifest their hatred, their general hatred of people, specifically Jewish people, but really, if you're going to hate one type of person, you're just a hater. If you're prejudice, if you're racist, it's not that you're racist just against black people, you're racist against anybody that doesn't look like you or think like you or talk like you. And Jewish people have this position where we are forced to defend our feelings about antisemitism as though we don't deserve to feel the way we feel, because hey, you're all richer, you have it

coming to you. But that's not to me what our discussion should ever be framed about. It's always got to be framed about what is it about what we do? That makes it that you feel you have to view us the way you do. And you can put anybody in the us category. Anybody, Asian, Jewish, black, brown, whatever your prejudice is, whatever you feel is happening to you, because it's real if you feel it. And I don't know how to deal with the fact that people are emboldened.

I'm not gonna blame Trump because people do in its convenient where they're emboldened to be racist. They're emboldened to be anti-Semitic. But when people feel that they can act in a certain way because they are covered by the masses, that's when you actually get major societal disintegration. And that's where we are. And I'm not saying that we can't talk about sports

or the world is coming to an end or look out the sky is falling. I'm saying that people feel more free to exhibit what they used to keep quiet and hidden they're now emboldened to share it. And that scares the shit out of me. At Public Mobile, we do things differently. involved in to share it, and that scares the shit out of me. Now take advantage of a great price on a 5G subscription phone plan. It's the perfect deal for anyone who could use some savings right now. Subscribe today at publicmobile.ca.

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How they're going about doing it and the interesting thing is how it's carried over to the United States because David's right, people are emboldened right now where I have Jewish friends who are afraid to walk out of their apartment in eork city because palestinian flags are flying everywhere and they're jewish and they're afraid to walk outside they don't want to wear their jewish star necklace that they usually wear every single day

they're almost ashamed of being jewish you say there are only two discussions to be had but david covered this on nothing personal that's not exactly what was happening on the campuses of Harvard and Yale. Like, it wasn't just two discussions that are being had, but I know that in trying to talk about this with Jeremy earlier this week, he couldn't do it. He thought he was gonna cry. He couldn't get in on the conversation

because he couldn't get through the emotions of, I feel unsafe and people who I love are unsafe and it feels like anti-semitism is alive and well, because look at your television, look at, this can't be okay by anybody. Yeah, I've had like a million different thoughts to run through my head this week. I am Jewish, I have family who has chosen to live in Israel, Americans who have

made the decision to make the trek and now live in Israel. There was a time where they lived in what was considered occupied territory in Gaza. Thanks to my aunt and uncle, basically bullying them to move. They moved and thank God they seem to be safe right now. But what's complicated about this as a very left-leaning American Jew is my own thoughts on Zionism and Israel and Israel's government are one thing. That's a conversation to be had, as Stu said, somewhat at a different time. Because what's happened now with Hamas is a blatant terrorist attack. You can talk about the desperation and the poor circumstances of the Palestinian people in Gaza and feel that level of sympathy for them without praising what Hamas did.

And it is slightly different. I won't say no different then, but no different than I wouldn't want everyone around the world to view me as an American citizen based off of whoever my elected leaders are. I, as a Palestinian, wouldn't want to be painted with a blanket, I may terrorist or a bad person who's automatically anti-Semitic and hates Jews because I live in this territory that by the way

I've been displaced into and we can get into the nitty gritty of why Israel as the Jewish state Exists in the way that it does and the establishment of it through all of these governments in Europe and the United States post-World War 2 because of a systemic Holocaust that wiped out the Jewish population. That's the reason all of these Palestinians are displaced. We make this an argument about Jews and Muslims and territory when realistically we're dealing with hundreds if not thousands of years of all sorts of religious ideologies persecuting against the Jews and against the Muslims

White Christians in Europe forcing the hand of the Jewish people to flee for their lives But now we are in this, this never-ending hellscape of terrorist attack from Hamas and horrendous. I mean, the things that are going to happen to the innocent Palestinians that are about to happen as a response through these airstrikes and the cutting off of food and water. That's also inhumane.

I don't know, this is not me doing a both sidesying, this is also not me. I'm not trying to say that whatever Israel does can even come close to what we've witnessed in these videos of what Hamas has done. It's completely inhumane. It's infathomable. But it's put me in this position of thinking and talking in circles because I don't believe there are solutions here.

With, like the toothpaste is out of the tube. And there is no, there is no way, like we've seen it for hundreds, if not thousands of years, there's this desperation in this lack of solution and it stinks that we don't have the time or the patience to take a moment to just breathe in the horror of what's been done before jumping to all of these other conversations

about the why. Oh, but I think that's what happens when people feel entirely helpless. When they wanna have some control over something. So this is why conversationally, it seems like everyone has an opinion on this, everyone is trying to get in on a conversation. I think it's just a mass helplessness,

but David said something about not wanting to make this the end of the world. It's not a big step from here to the end of the world, David. I'm not even dabbling in hyperbole. Once you reach these levels of escalation on desperation and the countermeasure is gonna be as comparably horrific to what it is that you just saw in terms of innocent people.

Damn you are. I'm sorry, but you are, Dablin and I, and I didn't listen to your show when back years ago when there was genocide in Rwanda or during the, if you know, what escalates to world war is what I'm talking about what escalates to does not So one of the things that we do have to keep in mind and I am sensitive to this because I'm Jewish However, there are many people there were cat. This is a little off the subject There were cast members on survivor with me. They had never met a Jewish person. Never.

And they were adults. I think sometimes I forget because I live in New York on the Upper East Side what it is to be a minority because I'm surrounded as a majority here. The fact of the matter is that around the country and around the world, what's going on in Israel It's not great. They read about it. They know a little bit and then they say all right. What are we doing tonight? It's not the end of the world for the world because these types of things happen to all sorts of people It's not just the Jewish people. It's not just the Palestinian people look at the civil wars in Africa

None of it is the end of the world and none of it is leading to a world war because no one will escalate it to that. It's that's the war game situation. It's not going to happen But that doesn't mean that we can be like Jeremy's saying which is in paralysis. We can't do that But we certainly shouldn't be where you are, which is waking up and vomiting, saying it's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine. So I think that I live somewhere in the middle of that. David, I completely understand that. And that's where I would like to be. I think the reason I feel paralysis is I generally just as me, the individual feel helpless. It's people who are making a lot more money and have a lot more power,

who are going to be the ones who decide this, and they have not been doing a good enough job for the last 100 years. And yes, there are things that I feel grateful to be on this platform, getting to just talk through my emotions. I'm grateful that you have the platform that you do to be able to lay out the facts, the way that you have as well. Because I think that speaking about it with some rationale and speaking about it through the way that we have here is important so that people who are uninformed can learn. Because I think that the biggest thing here is we are in a society, as you mentioned,

that is so quick to jump to opinions on everything, particularly on social media, particularly within extremes. And so, you know, yeah, you've got all sorts of people on social media right now. We were talking a little bit before the show about the Blue Checkmark replies on Twitter right now or some of the scariest shit I've ever seen in my life.

And a lot of fake videos too, a lot of fake. I a lot of stuff that you see around propaganda that's meant to create disruption and division on purpose. It's one of the dangers of social media being controlled by a few with political leanings that you get a freedom on social media that distorts the truth in a way that's acidic and poisonous. Oh, you need somebody who comes from an apartheid state running the most important social

media that we have for information being a bit of an issue, maybe. Look, the part of it that is complicated here again as an American Jew is, I've faced anti-semitism before, but it's never been in a, it's often not in the blanket way that we look at those things. It's been meeting a kid before a winter break of my freshman year who when I told him I wasn't going home for Christmas break that it was Hanukkah break for me, he looked at me like he'd seen a ghost, some kid from the panhandle in Florida. And then as soon as I told him,

hey, I'm Jewish and you've known me all year and I'm no different than what you knew before. I looked around my classroom and I said, hey guys, who else is Jewish in here? And like five other kids raised their hands and he was shocked. And I was like, yeah, you've been interacting with Jewish kids all year long

and you had no idea. Antisemitism comes up in different forms and it is not anti-Semitic to be critical of Israel's government, but now anti-Semites are using this as an opportunity to be virantly anti-Semitic. And that's the part that is mind- blowing here disappointing and continues to leave me in this Horrified state Jeremy I would just tell you that you do have the power and it's one to time

It's one person to time so if you think you don't have the you don't have the money You don't have the the gravitas. It's not true because in your circles, in your everyday interactions, what we all have to do is only what we can do, which is when we come across people, it's just to have conversations. It's just to talk about that there are different sides to the story and that we are all just people and it sounds so syrupy and so rainbow and unicorn, but it's up to everybody individually because if you say that you can't do anything and you've got a platform bigger than most,

then imagine what you're telling people who feel like they're just up against it, right? Nobody listening. I think everybody has someone listening because the most important way to stop racism, forget anti-semitism, how about all racism? It's to educate the next generation so that they can ignore the way their parents are.

That's the only way it's gonna stop is when people see their parents as racist and say, wow, I'm not gonna be that. And you know what? It happens a lot in my circles. There's a lot of 80 year old white baseball people who are racist. And you know what, there's a lot of 50 year old

white baseball people who aren't. And you know what, there's a lot of 50-year-old white baseball people who aren't. So it can change. And then maybe it's what we always dreamt about with building generations of fans. It takes time. But for people who think they don't have power, I disagree. You do have it, Jeremy.

You gotta use it. Welcome back, Whitting. Um, just some, uh, some light stuff for you here to start your return. We will segue into lighter sports stuff after this down lebertard Two guts This is the down lebertar show with this two guts David I'm mad at the Orioles

The Orioles were great all season. was watching them their young they've got fifteen guys under contract or under twenty three years old and they get uh... smoked by one of the former marlin's pictures who is dominating the whole many of those postseason yeah of all the was here he was one of the first i ever saw honestly this transformation in this revolution of all the was one of the first I saw Where I was watching and I'm like he throws a hundred miles an hour. How was anyone hitting him? I'm not I'm David. I know Nolan Ryan and a bunch of others. I'm saying about Matt Lindstrom I am I yes Matt Matt Lindstrom as well is in that category

But of Aldi as a starter when you brought him up I thought that guy's going to be great for a long time. And he is going to be great for a long time, not in a Marlon's uniform. He was never great in a Marlon's uniform, just like Brad hand wasn't any good, was an all-star when he left the Marlon's, just like a bunch of other people weren't any good here. And now we're good in the post-election.

What's your point? That the Orioles got stuff the yesterday by Nathan Evaldi, who wasn't even good the second half of the season. He wasn't even healthy the second half of the season. That's not exactly what happened. I don't know if you watched the game. Actually, that sounds like you just watched the box score.

What actually happened is the Rangers offense is as good as the Braves. They have a lot of true. That's not true true that's simply not true that's not that's what you're saying is simply not mathematically true the did watch the game the braves no that part was true the braves the braves of the nineteen twenty seven Yankees in terms of offense there's been nothing like them except the nineteen twenty seven Yankees it's funny we used to talk about the 2070 Yankees when you guys

would criticize and Mike and Billy and Chris, you would criticize when we would trade players, or we would say, hey, we're not breaking up the 2070 Yankees. We couldn't even win 81 games with these great names on offense. And then the Braves come out and they really are the 2070 Yankees. But the Rangers are just as powerful and just as deep in their lineup. And they crushed Dean Kramer, and I was rooting so hard for him without taking emotion into it, but he pitched for Team Israel and he wanted to take the ball. He had the worst outing of his season and the shortest.

He only went one and two thirds. He got rocked by the Rangers who are a streaky team. And they're on a streak, they're on a heater, a bender, which means they're not going to lose that game yesterday, no matter what a Volody did. So I would say a Volody was the least and the smallest factor in the range. The Orioles scored one run, David. They scored one run. Are you mad at the Orioles or at the playoff format?

Like who you mad at? I am mad, the 10. No idea, you were mad at the Orioles or at the playoff format? Like who you mad at? I am mad that I had no idea you were such a big Oriole thing. I am mad that the teams I know to be good this season. The race, the Orioles, the Braves and the Dodgers clearly better than everybody. The Orioles scored eight runs on Sundays. I they scored one run all series. I'm mad at the Orioles. I already get all you know what? I'm mad at them to get them with your bandit. No, David, you know what's going on here? Dan desperately because the Orioles were a big part of our childhood of us growing up of us falling in love with baseball with those teams with Earl Weaver and Eddie Murray and Gary Reneky

and John Lowenstein and guys like that. Now, Bumry that Dan wants the Orioles to be relevant again. And you know what, Dan, I'm coming coming around I agree with you. I too amended the Orioles. The Orioles didn't get swept all season. The Rangers didn't win. The Rangers didn't win a game from a starting pitcher in like seven weeks the second half of the season. I tried to tell you like three weeks ago there was no need to start sports center on a Sunday night with the Orioles. And you guys didn't want to listen to me to a such a great story.

And what happens first playoff series they have, they don't even want to play off game. Waste the time. Can I tell you a quick story that I got yelled at by my baseball people and the manager at the time? This was a gerardi thing. And also a Jack McKin thing. I always viewed when pitchers were on a great streak

and had not given up a run that I wanted them to give up a run and I wanted them to be put in a situation where the game was out of reach and give up a run because then they wouldn't give up a run when we really needed them not to. The sweep is the same situation. You say the Orioles have never been swept. Well, the odds are they're going to get swept.

Everybody gets swept, and they chose a really bad time to do it. So would you ever think it's weird to purposely give up, like if you've gotten five hits in a row, just get it out, because you're not going to get ten hits in a row, or you haven't given up a run, just throw a meatball in, give up a runner, blow a save. I always used to think about that, and I never won those. I don't think you know how odds work,

if you think that a team not being swept all season, the odds are that they are then gonna get swept. No, the odds would be that they're not gonna get swept, because the sample over 162 games suggests that they're not gonna get swept, no matter how baseball, baseball is. I actually don't think that's how odds work. Do you think when you get 20 blacks in a row

at the roulette table that the odds are more that you're gonna get red on the 21st or black? I'm talking about not a 50-50 chance on something. I'm talking about a hundred win team that wasn't swept once over 162 games. First time for everything, Dan. I love breaking the streak on that roulette table though. There's like seven straight blacks.

I'm betting that red. Because it's coming. I don't care what the odds are. You can only bet you streak on that roulette table though. There's like seven straight blacks. I'm betting that red. Oh yeah. Because it's coming. Yeah. I don't care what the odds are. You can do that. We are due. And you can really start to lose confidence like when you're an always hitter on 16 and then

it comes out for you like three times in a row. That fourth time you do it, you're like, I'm really, I'm really tilting against the odds here. Can we stop with the 27 games? You know, I'm people making a rash decisions based on streaks. We stop with the 20 seconds. We stop with the 20 seconds. We stop with the 20 seconds. We stop with the 20 seconds. We stop with the 20 seconds. We stop with the 20 seconds. We stop with the 20 seconds. We stop with the 20 seconds.

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for you as someone who cares about baseball in the first two weeks of what it is that we've seen in the postseason? That I'm is that we've seen in the postseason. That I'm disappointed that the narrative has changed so quickly and that baseball let this happen. They let the narrative start by announcing the Tampa Raise attendance is so low. And then the narrative continued with the announcement that ratings are down 18% for the Wildcard series and that the broadcasters are upset because they're not getting long series because that's what they want to need.

And that the big teams are losing. The big teams did not make the playoffs and Yankees red socks, Mets, and now the teams that are left are the Dodgers, which is a nightmare when they get swept by the Diamondbacks tonight. And so I'm upset that people are now using this as a pile on reason. It's like confirmation bias. oh, baseball's in trouble. Oh, I don't like baseball. And there was such a great opportunity after such a great regular season to have a great postseason.

And so far, it's been very, very underwhelming. So they told the truth. I'm not a big fan of that. See, in here, a couple of lawyers got it up. I mean, that under two so bad. He's not a big fan of the truth. They simply told the truth.

Tampa's attendance blows and all of the randomness is affecting that the best teams are getting knocked out. And I don't think anyone wants to see a Rangers Arizona World Series outside of those cities. I'd like to know if David Warren charge, how would you have promoted the baseball playoffs? Like, what would you have said? The first thing that I would make sure of

is that the Dodgers don't lose tonight. I'll start with that. I would make sure that the games, and the police go five. Right. That's very important. And I want to make sure that two Texas teams were not in the LCS, so I'm screwed in that regard, because it's going to be.

And that's a nightmare for baseball. David, how do you do that? Like, because people used to say this about David Stern. It's like, oh, like David Stern would make sure at the Laker series would get to six games. And he made sure that the Sacramento Kings wouldn't get to the NBA finals in 2001. Is that a real thing?

There's a simple fix. Toss Angel out there and anything else. Like is there an ordering of the code red from the commissioner to make longer series? David, what do you mean? He made it seem like there is. No, let him in. David, David, you're gonna, you're gonna, you're gonna, you're gonna co-sign, you're gonna endorse the commissioners helping fix or

Tilt the odds in the favor of a certain opponent. I am going to endorse because I've seen it. There are the umpires in baseball and the referees in basketball are very aware of the following. They're aware of who the stars are. They're aware of what the series score is, and they're aware that basketball wants long series. So if you think that calls aren't made or not made when they can be controlled in order to potentially impact a game, and I'm not talking about Tim Donahee.

I'm not talking about betting on games or fixing games or wanting L.A. to win like Lewis that referee, and I'm not saying MLB umpires are games or fixing games or wanting L.A. to win like Lewis that referee. And I'm not saying MLB umpires are betting or fixing games or that the commissioner is telling them to. What I am saying is there are meetings with umpires before every game. I've been in them. The meetings go over what's going on in the game. What are we looking for?

What are the trends that we're seeing? What do we want to protect against? And one of the things that we want to protect against is short bad series. Does that stop sweeps from happening? No. Does it guarantee a sixth or seventh game? No. But when you can be helpful, are you? Is there a time? Let me ask you guys within the NBA. Dave, you're not a f**k. You're not, you say, well, that foul was wrong. David, you're not far from making the accusation. You don't want to make the accusation,

but you're not far from making the accusation that the umpires and referees know that they can control the game so that they can get the business to where the business needs to go. And it doesn't always work, but they have such a control over the game that it's not an edict,

but it is an ordered code read. Like you're very close to making the suggestion that the's not an edict, but it is an ordered code read like you're very close to making the suggestion that the stuff, if not fixed, let you aggregate this or to put words in my mouth. So let me say it very clearly. The referees and the umpires cannot dictate who wins a game, but they are very aware of the situation and the league is very aware of what they want in a given situation. Now the Marlins won the World Series in 03 and beat the Cubs and Baseball did not want

it. They were clear, but you can't control an 8 run 8th. So you cannot dictate result, but you can definitely try to form a result. And that happens. Is this like a home played umpire goes in with the mentality of, okay, the team that's losing to nothing in this series, anything borderline is a strike for them.

Anything borderline is a ball for the other team. Like is that the way that we're talking about? I feel like we're giving these umpires way too much credit. That's also fixed by the way. That's also fixing. That's what the decision they have. Question. That's also fixed by the way.

That's also fixing. That is a quick decision there. Question.