The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Local Hour: In The Information Game

Episode Date: February 24, 2025

Is it a Greg Cote Monday? Confermaned. Dan begins the show by asking Roy how he believes Chris Cote is doing as the show's Executive Producer. That's leadership. Then, after a new song making fun of sleep farting, Dan has questions about how to determine the bonafides of news breakers as the people breaking the news continue to shift from old-school journalists to people with skin in the game. Is Greg Cote the king of a small kingdom? Does Mike's CanesInsight have better information than everyone else on the UM beat? Is Jay Lucas officially the next Miami basketball coach? And what does Gary Ferman have to do with all of this? Plus, Billy is the authentic and understated news breaker of the bunch, but Tony has some issues with Billy's lack of gusto within his reporting. Today's cast: Dan, Greg, Chris, Billy, Mike, Roy, and Tony.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Greg, this is probably something that I should be doing off air in private leadership meetings. But I haven't asked anybody who works here how they think Chris Cody, your son has been doing in the executive producer job. I'd like to do that now because of something that just happened that made me like sort of shake with how different the leadership is around here now, now that he's been asserting his role. How do you guys feel, Roy, about how Chris Cody is doing,

being in charge, trying to grow into the role of Metal Arc executive? Very well. I thought it was more to that question actually. I know you're going to put more of a context to that question, but I think he's doing very well. That was quite the hesitation. That silence was probably positive. 20 minutes for me.

I don't know what's happened with you lately, but recently, okay. Even when I'm starting a sentence with Roy and then there's a sentence Your genuine surprise that I'm going to you leaves you in a position where it seems like you say my name Dan You have no idea what to say and it's the opposite of what the job is when I start a sentence with Roy XYZ no, you all you have to do is be ready for whatever that moment is and it's rarely I don't do this with anybody else I'm not going around Billy and then this this this I'm just looking at Billy with you I'm going directly at you and you seem like you're not ready No, I knew you were going to me because you said my name, but I was expecting more to the question

And I was listening to the question like There's nothing more to this. okay about answer this now in fairness like Roy probably didn't wake up thinking he was gonna be doing employee reviews for his coworkers that is a good point by you but the reason I'm bringing it up the reason is Greg didn't even hear this as the door closed to monday promises the last thing that chris cody leader said into the into the room was also i'm starting the show with the sleep farting song that's the last thing i heard

from your son's leadership he said he was scared the first six months doing this but now he's eased into the role that's leadership thank you dad you know I mean sleep farting was brought up last week he had immediately got a song that's a beauty this is the Don LeBattor show with the Stugats Podcast. There are bits of bad days for your wife, huh? Yes, yes, agreed. I've learned recently that I'm a sleep farter. I didn't know that because I'm a sleep farter. He does a good job of eating for his blood type He loves cheese fries, but he can't have them now

He's got a good wife, stuck in his Dutch oven He's got them bad boys,' all night Dan and Sleep Sleep Fartin' Yeah you sleep Sleep Fartin' Sleep farting, sleep farting, sleep farting, sleep farting. We have to be more mature than this. No we don't. We can't be, we can't be funneling funds musically to that.

That can't be what we're doing with the media money. I want to ask Greg Cody because I'm thrilled that he's here. I'm always happy to see Greg Cody, lifelong friend, one of the longest friends I've had. I do not have many people like this in my life that have endured this long. He is a long-time journalist hanging on to the end of newspapers and the end of his long-time career, one of the longest in the history of the market. Why are you laughing? Yeah, just, you know, the whole idea of me hanging on you know by my fingernails i'm over alleged

but i'm i'm clawing to uh... keep from falling by okay so tell me how i have it wrong because i want to have a media conversation with you as the media continues to change and ben rider is over here for cbs saying yana santa to come bowl is interested in the miami heat and watching the miami heat situation and over here you donna says haslam is saying on television come summertime kevin durant is leaving phoenix reporting is changing information is changing the way the people dissected

who they give credibility to is changing and i saw over the weekend that mike ryan broke the university of miami basketball story. And I want to talk about changing media in your time, Greg, because there are very few information brokers out there whose information you feel like you can trust. I can name them, right? They're the handful of insiders where you're like, yeah, okay, I can believe that,

but I don't know what to believe anymore. Is Ben Rider credible? Cause he is to me. Yeah, he's been around for several years but I don't know what to believe anymore. Is Ben Ryder credible? Because he is to me. Yeah, he's been around for several years. I know, but what are the measurements? If we're discrediting so much media, we're doing it larger outside of sports, but you assume Eudonnis Haslam knows what he's talking about

if he goes on first take and tells you Kevin Durant is out. He's not Kendrick Perkins, he's not opining to get clicks. Yeah, I mean, you could look at the outside and say, he might be, he's got his own content venture, he's never really broken stuff. Unlike Kendrick Perkins, there really isn't a resume that you can hold up his credibility. Ben Ryder has a certain credibility. I think you have to take all that stuff into account. It's dicey though in today's day and age of aggregation where your name won't go on a tile half the time.

So Greg, Mike Ryan has now been breaking stories in sports, messy to Miami, and he's inside the University of Miami machine. And he's got a venture where he's an owner. So like there's business being done here. He also is a booster for the schools and and doesn't Have any journalism rules that he feels like he needs to be applying right?

I do I do when when it's I like to correct people when they say I'm a journalist now. I'm a media member It's different I don't necessarily have to adhere to the same type of rules because I'm a booster and I wear that conflict on my sleeve proudly I will say though like while I had something to do with the overall reporting of this story This was reported by Peter Ariz from Kane's insight He was on this beat for several weeks saying that it was trending towards high Hiring Jay Lucas from Duke when it came to the actual reporting of this Kane's insight followed every single

When it came to the actual reporting of this, Keynes Insight followed every single journalistic protocol, went over and above because there's sensitivities here with this specific hiring. Look, Duke and Miami still play this season. We're not to the ACC tournament yet. It's not often that you see this type of announcement when the other coach is on a staff that actually has title aspiration.

So there's some sensitivities here. And we were well aware of that. It became apparently clear that this story was going to get reported. We had already sat on it for quite some time. This was non-invasive. We made sure that all the parties knew that this story was coming out when it was. The reason that I bring all of this up, okay, it's inside the weeds on how you get your information, where you get your information. But before the show today, I heard the name Gary Furman. Ha! The bag?

No. No. No, Billy, that's not helpful. It's not Gary the Bag. You know who the bag is. Don't pretend like you don't know who the bag is. I don't know who Gary Furman is. No, you don't know. It's the bag. You don't know who Gary Furman is, and I'm about to tell you who who the bag is don't pretend like you don't know i don't know if you don't know it is so you don't know the bad don't know who gary firman is and i'm about to tell you gary firman is that they please find a photo of gary firman forming gary firman comes from

the golden age of the miami heraldsport section when am i wrong here when i say that gary firman was one of the chief writers on eight a staff that would have been considered the best in America? No, no, you're not right. Wow. I have known Gary Furman for decades. He's been a real survivor in this market doing a bunch of different stuff. He was never one of the top tier writers at the Miami Herald.

Okay. I'm just being honest. And if Gary were right here, I would he would agree with me. OK. But you were. Forgive me. Let me. So continue to be.

Of course, the staff is only like seven people now, but still, I'm the king of a small kingdom. Are you writing your own headlines? Yes. And my own cut lines. Yeah. Honestly, though, the fact that it was just someone's job to only do headlines that

probably could have always been that was that the only job it was also editorial judge not you could use the good learning at your your father's career you've done good learning let me tell you about gary ferman for a second though because what greg just did with the incoming entirely off guard you would agree that that staff in general was among the best in America, yes? Oh my gosh. There was about a five-year period where we had Scott Price, Peter Richmond, Christine Brennan, Larry Dorman.

It was an all-star staff. Okay, these names aren't going to mean anything to people, but Christine Brennan? The part that I wasn't... So Price? The part that I was not expecting is for Greg to take out Gary Furman's career that way. Because Gary was, for many years, you know, one of the top ten writers in a loaded sports section.

You're calling him a second-tier sports writer, it's beside the point. What are you looking at me like that for? I don't know what to say. I don't mean to criticize Gary Furman. He worked at the Herald for a number of years. This is a credible person is my point. I want to make this. I want to make the journey from there to now on how news is being reported because Gary Furman has pissed Mike Ryan off and Gary Furman has more journalism bona fides, traditional journalism bona fides than Mike Ryan does. And Mike Ryan is working in a compromised position but what I think Gary Furman has done for the last 20 years is one of the most compromised positions I've seen in the history

of South Florida sports media. Well, okay, we're here now. What I didn't appreciate was Gary Furman saying that my company's reporting wasn't true when it 100% is and look we've had 48 hours now for all the parties involved to deny that this is actually the case. It's not Jay Lucas is going to be the next head coach. Gary Furman continues to push on Kane Sport that this story is not true, no offer is out there, but if you actually click the story,

he even admits that he's doing the current athletic department a favor by not reporting this. So like the headline is click baity and it's going at someone's credibility. Who like when I actually put the journalism hat on, I'm not wrong. I'm very credible. You mentioned Messi.

We mentioned, we broke the Mario Chris ball story over here. I say we, I did that. But like my credibility, you don't call that into question. It's fine if you don't have the scoop, but to come out and say that it's untrue when I know how sound this is and I know what my resume suggests, I wasn't a fan of that. No, and you're right. You have credentials. You're a true UM insider who has inside sources, and I trust what you say regarding hurricane sports, but this is standard operating procedure in journalism. If you don't break a story, if you get beat on a story, you try to impinge the quality of the story that beat you. That is true journalism? That's the way journalism operates.

And I'll use a perfect example here. This hiring is not official yet. Okay, so that's what you say if you get beat on the story. Okay, nobody on either side wants this story to come out right now because they don't want to interrupt Duke's March Madness run. Okay, so- That wasn't the report that this is the effect that this hiring is official the report was Miami has selected its next head coach the men's basketball program. It's going to be Jay Lucas

No, and that's a hundred percent accurate I was at the inter Miami game the other night sitting next to Michelle Kaufman who covers about three different major beats for the Herald She's in the middle of an inter Miami game texting Dan Dan Radikovic and texting other sources about this story and revealing sources. Oh well, Radikovic is the Hurricanes athletic director. If you cover the Hurricanes, yeah, he's gonna be one of your sources. So Radikovic, I'm not saying anything out of school, Radikovic essentially texts her back and says, yeah but it hasn't happened yet. There's no deal in place, blah, blah, blah, that kind of thing.

So the story is real, but there are degrees, there are degrees of real. All right, listen, Chris, this is what- Here you go. Chris, you don't understand, okay, because you're so busy making sleep farting songs. You don't understand how to produce your father. And what has just happened is we have wandered, all of us together, into the glorious wheelhouse of Greg talking about journalism and the people in journalism and the end of newspapers and the end of information. Like the, you see it changing all over the place and I am legitimately asking the audience, who are the people you actually trust on information?

Because you're doing CaneSport and Can and Kane insight. That's what we're talking about You're talking about information like how does an entity build the kinds of credibility that it needs so that it can be in the new? Media age something that competes beyond where the Miami Herald is because you're serving an audience that trusts you to actually be informed That the job is the way the media is changing and sports information changes I'm genuinely curious people listening to this who love their college football information why do you go to Kane Insight instead of Kane's score? Look I it was clear we had a very clear jump on this story we had better information than anybody else we We had better information than anybody else. We often have better information than everybody else. And do we go into news breaking mode all the time? No. Our approach

is let's really build our company on how plugged in we are. Sometimes it's not totally advantageous for us to be breaking news because we maintain our relationships. This became pretty evident to us, and I understand where Dan Reddickovitch is coming from, because it's a little complicated if this gets out. It was going to come out. So, do you want some slap dick to report it? Or do you want to actually let the people that have known this story for 48 hours come out,

non-invasively make sure everybody's all right and go out there and do it? And that's what we decided for the better of our company and we did everything right from a journalism standpoint. Slapdick, underrated as an insult, I haven't heard it in a while. He nailed it though, the definition according to Urban Dictionary, someone who doesn't know what the hell they're doing or what is going on, an idiot who never knows anything. Alright, so I mean Slapdick, I just hadn't heard that in a really long time.

And I don't even know what it actually means, even though he just defined it for me. Like, is it someone who is slapping? Like, what is, I know what an ass wipe is. You call somebody an ass wipe, I know what an ass wipe is. Coincidentally, the AP did report it about an hour after. Well, see, that's the thing about breaking news. You can break it but then it's immediately out there for everybody and it's there for

other news sites to shoot holes through. It's so stupid. It's up for everybody immediately vets it. Is it true? Is it not true? It's so stupid. Who got it first? I knew it first.

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What do I got here? I got a Magnum condom. We won't get that out. That's shocking. Stugats. Here's a picture of Christopher when he was like three years old. Right next to the condom!

Yeah. Yeah, he's never forgotten. That's a subtle reminder. Yeah, forever out he is. Never forget. This is the Don LeBattar Show with the Stugats! Well, what I don't like is the same thing that happened with the Chrisaball stuff, which is, you know, the main national, like the Pete Thames of the world,

even you can lump in a Gary, uh, Furman of the world. We, we confirm this on multiple fronts, multiple fronts, and they just go to the athletic department and say, Hey, is this true? And you'll get an answer, which is like, yeah, kind of, but the timing's not right. It's not official yet. And they'll just run with that as opposed to as first reported by Kane's Insight. Because now we're 48 hours into this thing, nobody's denied this. This is the case. The reporting is sound. This hasn't been confirmed yet.

You won't believe it until Furman's reported it? He should have that. This story, confirmed. It is a good move. That's not bad. That's not bad. That's a better way to handle if you get beat on a story to come out. Look, there's another lane here. You don't have to be the first one. You could just come back and then if you've confirmed it, then that story is solid. Because you sang the Associated Press then reported it an hour later. So it's basically just a bunch of people whispering in the information game, just whispering to

each other, how do we do this? You want to do this correctly? I know it before you know it. Everyone, are we going to hold this? You don't want to hurt the program. Don't want to hurt the program? Don't want to hurt Jay Lucas, who's got his life? You want to avoid what happened with John Shire press conference, which is facetiously or what have you,

saying, well, this is the first that I'm hearing about it. There are sensitivities here that you understand, which is why you make sure you have all your loose ends tied up before you run with a story like this. Can I stop you for just a second? And Billy, I don't know how interested you are in getting into the weeds on this because you I think you know You have you have this weekend you again did something silently in the shadows because you do your journalism a little more

Quietly at FIU and so I want to get into some of what you did quietly your last three events You've gone I thought you meant the news I broke very little Even though because it's quiet news breaking. Yes, we'll get it Your last three events, you've gone with- Oh, I thought you meant the news I broke. Very little fanfare. You don't even know, because it's quiet news breaking. Yes, we'll get to- It's FIU. Tony described us dry. It was super dry.

Like, ChatGBT wrote that tweet, like, Jesus Christ. We've got some- Put some salsa, put some salson. It was a dangerous game that I was playing, because I was expecting it talking to when I got there. It's hard to break some news about someone that you're then gonna go do a service for later in the day, you know I well this is why I want to talk about the navigation of which they didn't tell me

So everyone knew but me the check cleared though, right? I don't think so That's not really the journalism standard did the check clear is not the way some of this game No for the game supposed to be done? But when you're navigating compromises you guys do understand the difference in how we're doing all of this When it sounded like Mike has carved out a position for himself where he can say I Have to do what's best for the program and that's not compromised Because he's only to give you the information is going to have better information but he's also going to serve in protection of the program when he says

i can't break that on the program greg cody could have been would have if he had gotten it no doubt it is a different one with the herald wood different standards right uh... and we wear the biases on our slave and you can say that's not traditional media traditional journalism and you can say that's not traditional media, traditional journalism, and you would be absolutely right. Don't necessarily pretend to. When we do venture out with a report,

I like to think you take our credibility into account and you can parse through that stuff, but it does require more of the consumer. Greg, if I can, as someone who has watched here in South Florida locally, what was the greatest of basketball times jim laranaga i was really wrong on him i thought he was coming down here

to retire i thought he was old when he got here and i thought that yeah but it took a long time it took a minute i thought he was coming to take a cushy job at the end of his career and he resuscitated something in that at the very end tripped over the finish line and what was enormous moment that there cannot be a greater fall I haven't been tracking all of college basketball then where Miami was for that brief moment to what it is they are this season when you're like oh my god the wheels just blew off of everything without sanctions it's hard to find a comp I mean like I it's where you're just like oh they took all of them momentum and did nothing with it

and not not only that they're now terrible they're awful and so is this a good job it's a rebuilding job and what you've gotten is a coach who's a great recruiter which right now is the game right like it's the it's the entirety of the game I you got to have X's and O and Os. Look, Leronega succeeded at the very beginning of the NIL era. We brought in a lot of talent via transfer portal and he had a lot of success with Xs and Os, with guys, look, he did it with all big 12 point guard

in Nigel Pak, but he also did it with a guy in Charlie Moore who is just a national journeyman. I do think Xs and Os matter. It's a delicate balance. And I think you can, in this upcoming hire, while Jay Lucas is a proven journeyman, I do think Xs and Os matter. It's a delicate balance. And I think you can, in this upcoming hire, while Jay Lucas is a proven recruiter, you can question the Xs and Os. And that's fine, but it doesn't matter.

Miami is now banking on you can question the Xs and Os. And all of the places where it's investing and spending, crystal ball is, yeah, you can question the Xs and Os. That's not what it's gonna be about here. It's gonna be about can you buy yourself into the game they just did that miami team a couple of years ago you i mean it went further than any ever has and when you're watching it you're like all that's championship good from the start of the season you see it on the court

it's just so rare to have that fall apart the way that it did on laranaga at the end. Billy can we get to your sound from FIU? What did you do this weekend and why do you continue to do these things so quietly? This weekend in terms of what the FIU broadcast? Yes. Oh I don't know I mean I also did some reporting. We're talking about doing a reporting show today. I'm like rematch over well because I don't know what, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I,

I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, And they've never gotten together since and it was the most glorious moment in Paul history Yeah, yes Panther history. Yeah, it was it was a great moment. Unfortunately went on to lose I think that the two games have followed and all momentum was lost But that night what a magical night it was and we're gonna relive that night. We're not doing but we're not we're not We're not doing it when FIU baseball plays against UM We're just doing football and basketball or had they not played in baseball since then either they play in baseball almost every year Okay, just not at Lone Depot Park. So former side of the Orange Bowl historic land I don't know if you know this Dan a lot of history happened at that site

I want to break down Billy's tweet for a second because again I think chat GPT wrote it. I don't even know how to use chat GPT I'm authentic bitch. That seemed unnecessary. I was gonna go baby and then there was a late pivot there at the end and I was like that didn't happen. It happened. You know it happens it happens. That showbiz baby. Alright so the issue is this right if we can pull up if we can find the tweet somewhere Billy you got to go breaking all caps Yeah, right what I do you went breaking big B Yeah, everything else small so you kind of read it quick, and it's like oh, this is kind of boring

I don't care the breaking news with all caps like whoa wait. Oh Tony. You're telling him He's got to put some spice on exactly know how to prop I meant to put a picture in it, too Of the football the pool is gonna be a football game after you're celebrating on the field. For baseball? Yeah, because that'd be funny. Oh my God. See, that would have given it some life. Did you get in trouble with anybody because you broke this news and they

weren't prepared yet to have it broken as a baseball broadcaster for the team? Well, I was broadcasting that. That's my first game I was broadcasting for the game was that night. So I was like, is this gonna cause a problem for me later on today? Like, may this be a situation where I arrive and they say, no thank you, sir, you can go home now. What are you doing out there?

Because they didn't tell me this information. Once I got there, I found out, obviously, this has been in the works for quite some time and they all knew this was happening minus me. No one told me. I think for just this precise reason. But what I'm telling you is, I can't believe that you can occupy a lane that I don't see

being occupied by anyone in the sports information business. I think George Richards does what I do. No, no, here's where. Gary Vermin. No, here's, here's. The bag. It's not. Confirmant.

It's, you very quietly, sheepishly breaking news by just giving, just giving. Well, the story's not about me, Dan. Story's the story, you know what I mean? I just, my service to society is just put the information out there for others to, you know, absorb and potentially enjoy the information. I'm not, it's not about me. That's not what I did there. Billy, no. Just put it out there so people know. to absorb and potentially enjoy the information.

It's not about me, that's not what I did there. Just put it out there so people know. Tickets available now I think, maybe, I'm not sure. I didn't report on that portion of it. Greg, are you not admiring? No one is taking the understated news breaking lane. Put the tweet up here so that Greg Cody can read the tweet. This reads on X like an associated

Press report. Yes, like this is well my Argentinian journalism teacher told me You know don't make the story about you make the story the story and that's what I did It's a Tim Reynolds lead right there and there it is. Thank you. Tim Reynolds is the Associated Press Why are you taking out Tim? Yeah, what are we doing here? Tim Reynolds is great, but AP is known for a very rudimentary, just the fact style. Wow. Rudimentary? No, and then, basically.

They're known for not calling things by their name. Rudimentary. Can I? The elephant in the room is this, and no offense to Billy. It's great to, if you're covering FIU, it's great to break that news. Put it on the poll can it be a big story if it involves college baseball? I mean we just spent 20 minutes talking about college basketball. I know but college basketball is up here and baseball is down here.

FIU baseball never been huge UM baseball stopped being huge a few years ago and still trying to get back up. what should we talk about below those well you know and that's an international brand you know what brand you know and international brand the lobo's great lobo's uh... now it's a big story but my ears perked because if you have an f i u are playing in football

again in marlins park it's like, wow. Great story. I understand, all right, look, I understand that you're the content king and you've got all the judgment about what we should be talking about in the local hour on a Monday. But a University of Miami basketball team hiring a coach

is a legitimate thing. Well, not hiring, being interested in a coach. Well, no. That's a story. I mean, he's the coach. No, that's a story. Well, wait till it's confirmed. You gotta, you gotta wait.

Here you go. I gotta, I have to know because Mike's gone from happen to know was the strongest and then we upgraded it last week and just earlier in today's segment he just hit us with what my resume suggests. What my resume suggests I think is beyond I happen to know and I'm saying this with whatever the what was the next layer of this

true conviction the the other upgrade to happen to know I don't remember what it was but Mike Bryan is now saying what my resume suggests when it comes to his reporting. Yeah. It'll happen. I mean, there's no question about it. I aspire to be right all the time, as I usually am. You are right all the time. Thank you, pal. You know, this is, so this part, okay, and Billy is right to get out there with just the facts.

This part is scary. You don't like to get that stuff wrong. You don't, you get it wrong one time. The firm apparently likes to. You get it wrong one time and you shoot your credibility. If you get it wrong one time. Ferman apparently likes to. You get it wrong one time and you shoot your credibility. If you get it wrong one time, and so a lot of people don't like the pressure of that. I don't. Because if you get it wrong one time, everybody else is mocking you for how wrong you were.

Right, and Gary Ferman reported John Gruden to the EU, and anytime he reports anything, it's in the comments. See you, Garret. Let's not forget about my report. That we're still waiting to see if the Bengals and Dolphins play in Spain. Is that what my sources are saying? Once the schedule comes out, I might be one for one.

Let's get everybody involved. Roy, do you have a timeline for Matthew Kachuck? Pomeri says he's gonna return this year, but we don't have a timeline yet, hopefully before the playoffs. This year? Jesus. Isn't your thing the slow report? But this one is a very rapid fast report

that you've reported well before anyone else and it hasn't really caught on yet. Like there's the slow report and then there's me. When I get out there, that is a real report. What date is this game? Because no one can tell me the date of this game. I asked. It's like they don't want fans in Spain.

They don't know yet. They don't know yet. No, they don't. Impossible. Isn't confirming just another form of the slow report? If you're saying that the story's already out there, but it's not until he's reported it, and that makes Confirmand the end all be all point,

are you guys alleging that Confirmand is now the new slow report? Because Greg Cody is now, I'm telling you, he's just triggered a decades old Miami Herald feud that only like 14 people are still alive to care about. He just took out, I'm not gonna say Gary Furman's a Miami journalism legend, but he was one of the best writers on one of the best staffs.

Like one of the best writers on one, you say hes like legend one of the best writers on what you say He's a legend and he is he's a legend and then he's been around for a very long time. Yeah He's he's endured in this market to mix. It's nice. He's not a compiler. He's evacuated What did he do with the herald? What did he write? What did he cover? Do you remember? He's not a compiler I'll say about gary. He's always been around Greg, yeah, what did he cover? You remember g Greg, why are you? How memorable was it for you? What did he cover? Why are you?

Jesus. Greg, do you remember? No. Greg, he covered. That's my point. Greg, he covered the University of Florida. He covered a lot of college baseball. He covered the University of Miami

as one of the secondary beat writers when that was one of the biggest beats in town. Yep. One of the secondary. Yeah, you're one Jim Martz for a couple of years for sure Fall all on the prowl if there's no one my mentor if there's more than one secondary beat writer Are you can you consider yourself as your mentor a secondary? He's my major mentor Is he a mentor writer major? There's more than one you can't be secondary man. Yeah, I can't there can't be secondary beat writers, right Gary Furman backed up a couple of very important beats. He was an all-purpose guy. I'm he said he he was

Somebody who was top ten on the names on the sports writers who worked for it He took a shot at my credibility. So yes or no, who's the best backup quarterback ever top ten on the staff on that staff? Maybe he was for a time green. You're Trent green Pigeon homie is criticizing Gary Furman. I just think a little bit less of his career than you seem to go back How many years did he work at the Miami I have have no idea take a guess. I'm gonna guess 10 years Including part-time if you work if you work 10 years at a newspaper Is that not enough to give you some credibility? No doubt no doubt It's Steve Young a backup quarterback or was that always like the the plan

I mean, that's Brady was a backup Aaron Rodgers backup quarterback Yeah, like it felt like they acquired Steve Young who got off to a rocky start in Tampa Bay to one day be the guy So to call him like one of the great backups like this guy that was drafted high I want to do that Well, but he was the greatest backup ever Steve Young to Joe Montana sat on the bench for a couple of years when everyone knew He was good enough to be one of the top five starters in the league. He had a backup He would be universally considered the best Quarterbacking backup that there is how would it not be Brady by your math? Yeah, I can't call him a backup. No, you can't.

If you're acquiring a guy to one day replace a guy, that's not really backup. We're talking like Scott Tolzines. No, but this and Steve Young at USFL wanted him. Like everybody, he was a can't miss player, and it didn't even make sense that he was backing up Joe Montana. Therefore, you cannot be one of the great backups, because that's not your style. wanted him like everybody he was an Can't miss player and it didn't even make sense that he was backing up Joe

Therefore you cannot be one of the great backups because that that right that's not your story I get my backup when you talk about him being a backup Nobody thinks of Steve Young as a backup quarterback nobody he's in the Hall of Fame that is correct But when he he was a backup to two or three years to Joe Montana when Chris is bringing up Tom Brady Tom Brady wasn't a backup Drew He was Drew Bledsoe. But Tom Brady was... Aaron Rodgers. That's a Steve Young and Martin classification.

We're talking about Earl Morrill. Earl Morrill, the crew cut. Don, what's his name? Strzok? Don, what's his name? Ladies and? Yeah, Don Strock. Don what's his name? Yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, that is the legendary expertise of Greg Cody. Gotta pick up my boy.

Don what's his name? It took me a minute. We love Don Strock. That's okay. It's quite alright. Another FIU guy. Yeah. This took out Gary Furman.

Why did you guys wake up today to fight with Gary Furman? We did not take out Gary Furman. No i didn't you keep you can you said you remember anything you wrote that great through first break jeff ha setler greg greg he was a jack of all trades on the herald sports that he covered high schools he covered this he covered that he covered that i don't think of gary ferman sitting right here i'm going to insult them by saying you weren't one of the big stars on the herald sports that's Ha Steyler won a Super Bowl. Oh is it Nick Foles? Nick Foles. Tom Brady doesn't count as a backup.

Doesn't count. Nick Foles does. Nick Foles has a statue. Tom Brady was his rookie year and he only threw one touchdown pass. You didn't know at the time that he was a special backup even when they won the Super Bowl you didn't know at the time that he was a special backup. Even when they won the Super Bowl, you didn't know if he could play quarterback well for them. He was just, he was- Doesn't that make him more of a backup? That makes him more of a backup.

Yeah. Your argument that Steve Young was like at this big prospect, that makes him less of a backup. This is a good shout. No, it's ridiculous. He didn't have sustained excellence as a backup because he was so good as a starter. I would-

Because he has to be a guy that was like, backup is my job and identity for a decade plus. Nichols. I don't understand how it is that Greg Cody doesn't think that he's taking out Gary Furman because I don't think that Greg knows the weight, okay, of his- Are we making fat jokes? No, of his old-

Oh, come on. Dan. Dan. Come on, man. It's Monday morning. I don't think Greg Cody knows the weight of his old man columnist wags a finger at Colleague because he jarred me the other day when he just said of Billy Corbin, that guy's a jackass on the air. And when he says of Gary Furman,

something that sounds disrespectful to me as a colleague who was your peer for a while right you're you're very colleague yeah come on you this is as harsh as I've heard this is as harsh as I've heard you be ever about a colleague a fellow writer I can't think of somebody you've ever talked about this way publicly Okay, first of all, I'm a very honest person when I call Billy Corbin a jackass What I mean is he's been a jackass to me. He doesn't like me He criticizes me all the time and the feeling is quite mutual in the case of Gary Furman He the first thing I said was he has been a survivor in this market,

and I give him credit for it. He's done a little bit of everything. He was the PR guy for the the Honda Classic up in Palm Beach for years. And so he's done a little bit of everything in this market. He's still going strong. I admire him. But I'm going to draw the line if you're trying to tell me he was one of the the top star Writers at the Miami Herald. He wasn't Okay, I mean he was a starter on a loaded team It's like a middle relief guy. I mean he's just being he's being he's being this I don't think so I think look you you spoke for yourself there eloquently.

Thank you. I am not crossed on your message. Where do you put yourself on that staff, like on the rankings, since you've clearly done this? You've got tears of how good these people are. Yeah. You name... Tears of a clown. Smokey.

Look, I... At that time, I was the guy looking up to all these stars. I was not Peter Richmond or S.L. Price, Scott Price. You were Mulder, though. That was a great rotation. It was. We have three number ones. No, it was terrific. It was absolutely... How were you Hudson? I'm blessed to have worked on one of the great writing staffs in the history of American newspapers. I wasn't the star at that time.

Did Grant Wall hang around? Grant Wall was hanging around that? Grant Wall was there, yeah. Look at that. Yeah, he's in the Furman category though. Grant Wall? Yeah, Grant Wall was never, he's not around to defend him.

Grant Wall was never star at the Miami Herald. You're just charging him on like what he did at the Herald? No! Because Grant Wall went on to become the greatest American soccer reporter ever. Loved him. No, he was never star at the become the greatest American soccer reporter ever. Yeah, loved him. No, he was never starved to Miami Herald. God rest his soul.

Yeah, RIP. You thought better of doing what you were... Grant Wall was... He was just talking about the Herald. I'm talking about at the Herald. Yeah, it's very clear. Keep up, Dan. Billy, bring back understated news gathering. Bring back...

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