The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Local Hour: It's a Glorious Thing, the Mangrove

Episode Date: July 7, 2025

"Ruth's Racoons led the league in unique hits every season." LUDA! Hobbs and Shaw, the No. 1 Miami sports reporter, and a 105 mph throw that made Greg Cote angry. Today's cast: Dan, Greg, Roy, Billy, Chris, Jeremy, and Zaslow. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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That's how it's done, boys. Smurfs, only in theaters July 18th. When you've been around people for a long time there can be in the friendships a little bit of staleness that sets in. You start taking each other for granted some. So what I heard this morning Cody when I came in here and just a blabbering, yammering, excitedly sharing with a friend, Billy Gill, talking about with a new audience in Zaslow, Fast and the Furious. I have not seen Billy that excited about anything. A mature adult, father, I can't remember the last time I saw him as excited as he was

just explaining the franchise to Zaslow. I feel like we shared a moment. Yeah, we bonded this morning. It started over Jurassic Park, really, if we're gonna talk about it, and then it was just action movies and then it was Fast and Furious. But you just were rattling through them. Zaslow's only seen two of them and you were just so happy. The most recent two.

But he was so happy to take you through the other 47 of them one by one. And he was careful not to give spoilers Yeah I didn't give him spoilers But I gave him points of interest that might want him to see might have him want to see some of these movies But not exactly what happened how it happened We also bonded over and this is probably not a very popular opinion in the fast franchise It might be we bonded over how great Hobbs and Shaw was,

which some people see as kind of like an appendage, not really part of like the Fast saga, but part of the Fast universe, if you will. Incredible movie. I think it's part of it. Yeah, I agree with you. I agree with you. Now- Just Rock and Statham,

they're so good in it, they're funny. Oh my God, great chemistry, the two of them. It made you wonder, do we really need Vin Diesel? And then of course the next one comes out and you're like, we do need Vin Diesel. Yeah, I was very entertained with Hobbs and Shaw and then you got all the Polynesian family that helps in the, Roman Reigns was in it?

I'm glad you brought that up, Zaz, because in 2020, the year of our Lord, we were down here, the Super Bowl was in town right before COVID and the world was shut down. And we went out to media night at Marlins Park at the time it was called Marlins Park, it's Lone Depot Park for those of you. They didn't have a sponsor yet, Dan.

Yeah, no, now it's Lone Depot Park, for those of you who are unaware, it used to be called Marlins Park. And that's where opening night was where all the teams are out there. Then you have the media out there and they're going trying to get interviews. Some people were being funny guys

like Cooper Manning was out there. I thought he was Pauly Shore that night. I was like what is Pauly Shore doing out here? It was Cooper Manning. But one of the people that was out there on behalf of Fox was Roman Reigns. Roman Reigns I guess they had just signed on with Fox. So Roman Reigns was going around

and I think Baron Corbin was the other one, and they were going around, and they were interviewing players, and they were interviewing people on behalf of Fox. I assume it was a Fox Super Bowl. And I saw Roman Reigns, and he was working, so he wasn't really doing interviews. But he walked by, and I said to him,

I go, Roman Reigns, when's Hobbs and Shaw 2 gonna come out? And I put a microphone in his face, and he said, that wasn't me, that's the other guy. And I was like, did Roman Reigns forget he was in Hobbs and Shaw, like I don't think you're the Rock, but I know you were in Hobbs and Shaw, but he wasn't gonna give me the answer. So when he went to-

Did he know what he was filming for? That's what I'm wondering if he even knew he was in the movie, which is a shame. Maybe he just thought he was living his life. It was, I don't know, I don't know. I guess that's his life, right? Some people are there, spoiler alert, and then there's friends of theirs,

family members of theirs on the back of jeeps holding helicopters by chains. Maybe that's just what happens. Maybe sometimes you just get into turf wars with enemies from abroad, who knows? But it was a movie, Roman, I don't know if he's aware. Dan, you know in the most recent one, Ludacris was in space. Yeah, well no, I knows, but it was a movie, Roman. I don't know if he's aware. Dan, you know in the most recent one, Ludacris was in space.

Yeah, well no, I don't think that was the most, I think there was one after that. I think there was part 10, Fast X, so it was Fast 10, part one, part two is upcoming. That's the final one for now. Your enthusiasm about this. Tokyo Drift, Zazz, while not having most of the cast, the most instrumental in tying it all together

Just start the show This is the down labor tour show with this two guys podcast Zaslow very excitedly just said to me, what's more absurd, ludicrous in space or Steve Buscemi in Armageddon in space? Absurd was your adjective. I don't think there's anything wrong with it. I think you might've said, what's more ludicrous? Did you not?

Regardless. No, that's the actor's name. Oh, okay, thank you. That was my confusion. Luda. I wanna know why it is Greg Cody just waved at Billy Gill with the back of his hand. Why is it that you just dismissed him when he mentioned The Rock and Jason Statham?

Well, you know, the cult of cinema fascination is just way over my head, and I admit that. I'm not an atheist when it comes to movies. I'm an agnostic, though. I don't get it. Like sometimes when Christopher and Michael, my younger son, are together, they're just trading lines from movies and it's like a language I don't understand

and where Roman Neil or whatever the actor's name was, I've never heard of that. No, you got it right, Roman Neil. Yeah, you got it. Roman Neil. The wrestler Roman Neil. I was surprised you remember, but you did. Yeah, thank you. I mean, only because you just said it yeah I don't

know movies and so when people are that enthusiastic about talking movies it's just well I'm amused just try eight to ten of them Greg you'll love them what's your wheelhouse like you could do that about Wizard of Oz get excited tell us about it no he so so he dismissed you guys with the back of the hand, but I found that your father is more and more unreasonable as he ages about just the collection of any new information. So I think movies are a very common language among friends, but I will ask at LeBotard Show, was Hobbs and Shaw indeed a great flick at lebatard show i believe that's going to be a controversial opinion from

the the shadow show but your father right before that chris he was looking at his computer and he had just come out of of course the greg cody family olympics that parts not uh... surprising at all it's always on his computer uh... soon in a new episode on the Greg Cody show featuring Greg Cody, you will get the Greg Cody Family Olympics, 70 years old against 7 years old. It's the only thing of its kind in its lane. Grandfather or grand-granddaughter.

No, that episode had just dropped. Alright, so what happened was your dad's looking at his computer and O'Neill Cruz of the Pittsburgh Pirates just has a giant arm and the defense in baseball is better than it's ever been and they recorded a throw from the outfield from him at 105.2 miles per hour and Greg Cody points at his computer and yells, too much information, didn't want the information. It's a perfect example of TMI in sports statistics now. And then the second paragraph was, the second fastest recording throw from the outfield

resulting in a put out since 2015 when Statcast began keeping track of this stuff. Why are they keeping track of it? It's so ridiculous. Am I supposed to like wonder, oh wow, I wonder who had a harder throw and is that person gonna put that on their resume? On the tombstone, hardest throw from the outfield resulting in a put out in MLB history. I just don't see that that's interesting, worth anything.

A human being threw a baseball 105 miles an hour. Okay, put him on the mound. This is coming from a guy who tracks unique hits in PFPI. Well, that's a family, it's a family affair. I do, UH. I don't think that people quite- Raccoon Skin. That's a nickname for a unique hit

because Ruth's Raccoons, God rest her soul, my mother, before she died, she led the league in unique hits every season and still holds the record that Graceland almost beat the year before last. Really? Yeah. How close did she get? The record, I believe, is 19 in a season, and I think Graceland had 17.

But yeah, so I keep trying to get unique hits, but that's a family affair. That's nothing published nationwide you know nobody would care about that in Idaho just like nobody cares about O'Neill Cruz's 105. I do care though I found that interesting. Why? Both of your glasses are fogging up now. I know because I'm talking... Is it the coffee? Is it the coffee? It could be the coffee is very hot a little bit under sweetened. Okay, so you're hot-taking here You don't want any more information But so you don't find it interesting that a throw from the outfield came in at 105 miles an hour not in the least

But dad, this is not OPS. This is a pretty simple straightforward Hardest person to throw from the outfield like hey, but why is that relevant because that means they can throw out But why is that relevant because that means they can throw out? runners at a higher rate than other guys would be able to because they can throw the ball a 105 miles per hour I appreciate the condescending tone of voice there Obviously, that's true If you have that that magical nexus of speed and accuracy if he's a foot and a half off on the throw But people are still saying wow what a fast throw. He wasn't. I know. But if he was. Right. Yeah, but you know they say you're a 5-2 player, right? And one of the tools happens to be throwing.

I will say that on a baseball field there are two things that get my attention the most. It is somebody hitting a ball very far. It's not speed on the bases. It is somebody having a ball very far. It's not speed on the bases. It is somebody having a giant arm. I remember players forever. Dave Parker just died. What do I remember? Giant arm from the outfield. Remember that Yoenis Cespedes throw from the corner in LA? It's one of the greatest things I've ever seen on a baseball field. I've told you guys this story before. Ricky Williams, obviously a great athlete, played minor league baseball and I was just playing softball with him one time

and he was in the outfield and I was on third base and he just threw a ball to home plate. I threw out Derek Lee one time softball game. Really, what position? I was second. Wow. Threw his ass out. Who's your double play combo? Mike Lowell.

How fast was your throw? About 60? Fast enough, don't run on me, dog. Okay. The softball was whistling. I could hear a softball whistling as it went past me on third base because of how hard it had been thrown. I cannot imagine an outfielder throwing a baseball 105 miles an hour. Having seen throws from the warning track from Bo Jackson and Vladimir Guerrero, like loving

Jesse Barfield. I associate that name with an arm, like one of the things that I love in baseball is a giant arm and I don't understand why it is that you would just, I understand why you wouldn't want generally more information but that that information is not uninteresting I don't think. I just think it's it's extraneous and irrelevant really in the big picture in the broad view of sports and stats and is not uninteresting, I don't think. I just think it's extraneous and irrelevant really in the big picture, in the broad view of sports and stats and athletes. You guys go chooch or cannon for a strong arm?

Oh, you gotta go cannon, right? Rocket. I go chooch. Put it on the poll, Jujuat Levitard shows stronger arm. Cannon, rocket, or chooch? It's gotta be generational, right? I don't know. When Ricky Williams saw Paul was whistling,

was it whistling a tune, or was it just like the sound of- I've got an Andy Griffith. No, it was Yankee Doodle Dandy. Oh, that's impressive, see? That's impressive. Okay. Okay, now you have my attention.

Okay, great. Now that's a stat. I'm happy. How old was Ruth when she set the record? Just out of curiosity. She was well into her 80s at that point. So the record for unique hits is by an 80 year old and a child.

Yes, that's right. Unique hit is when you're the only one to get it right. No, I know, it makes me wonder kind of how in tune the pickers are when they make these unique hits and whether it's actually a skill or it's just people who don't know what they're doing. Well, my mother's technique was to pick the city that she would prefer to live in. Okay, so she knew. Would I rather live in Boston or Atlanta? You know, that type of thing. that that that so

the marlins as soon as billy starts going to the games they start losing uh... the marlins were beating very good teams milwaukee is a very good team and milwaukee came in here and won a couple of games against the marlins but i wanted to ask you guys because i don't know how you feel about nostalgia. Baseball's always been great at trafficking in it. Was anyone moved by Jim Leland day at the ballpark celebrating one of the two old managers that are beloved around here because they were ancient a million

years ago when they won the championship and are even more ancient now. Jim Leland comes to the ballpark like Jack McKeon to be celebrated and it had to make him a little bit sad to see what baseball in South Florida is. I would imagine. There's no way when he was shaking hands behind home plate putting on the jacket that he didn't say to himself, wow, this is just a shit crowd.

He was there for 1998. And he should. He was there for 1998 when And he should. He was there for 1998 when he would be in the clubhouse and he's like they got me a truck driver. Centerfield. I got it. He's a truck driver. They lost like 115 games but he wasn't expecting to come back to Jim Leland Day and have nothing there. I don't know how much he was here with the Tigers. I don't imagine he was here very much. Like maybe he knows how bad it is,

but I'm guessing Jim Leland returned to Jim Leland Day hoping that there would be a lot of people there to celebrate, you know, a world championship. Does it make it any better that I got back from Key Largo around noon, right before game time, and I, for the first time since the first week of the season, put on the game because I wanted to watch the ceremony. Wow.

So I was like, that's better than nothing. I put it on. It is. I was like, let me see this. Jim Leland Day. I want to watch that. And? And I was made sad by the crowd.

Oh, it's the bare minimum effort that you gave where it's like, I will sniff this for a moment on television because it's Jim Leland Day. I have an indelicate question, but is there like a financial compensation for Jim Leland Day. I have an indelicate question, but is there like a financial compensation for Jim Leland Day? Like is there a check involved? They went his whistle a little bit? I'm wondering, like congratulations, you made it to the Marlins Legends Hall of Fame.

That's expensive. Here is an amount of money, or you're coming down for a personal, I don't know how these things work, but if you have a Jim Leland day and he's coming down for obligations, is there a fee that he receives for doing it? I'm going to guess just a reimbursement of expenses.

Like he's got to invoice them, he's got to invoice them and he'll be reimbursed on whatever it is that it costs. For the hotel, I'm guessing the flight they handle. I'm guessing. Listen, we're talking about the Marlins. Let's not sugarcoat this. They cover his flight economy. They give him a $50 per day per diem and put him up at a Motel

6. $50 per day? A Motel 6? Seems unnecessary. I'm gonna comfort in. Leland's out front at the Motel 6 in a lawn chair chain smoking while waiting for an Uber that he can't sign off. He's sitting next to the pool with no water in it at a Best Western. Right. Alright, so just to be clear, you guys have at a Motel 6 by the pool, you've got Jim Leland with no water in it. Wait, with one of those, you know, tins that is made of aluminum right That is baking his face so that he can get the proper red on his face

I will tell you that the funniest thing like that I've ever seen was in the Radisson parking lot in Bristol, Connecticut This will only be funny to the five people who remember him But Dave soup Campbell being you know in a chair with one of those things sunning his face is how I imagine Jim Leland that outside of a motel six yeah there was a shuffleboard court out front but it was weed covered you couldn't even use it it was a sad hotel but this is the Marlins you know Bruce Sherman he plays at Lone Depot Park he should take out a loan and actually start paying for players I know they had an eight get here's the sad thing that we've talked about, okay? Jeremy's mad at all this.

Go on. They just had an eight game winning streak and you're thinking to yourself, all right, they've done something. They have shown that their young players are rising. They have potential as a team. They're going to come home and the crowds are going to be there. Well, their first home game after an eight game winning streak, they drew 7,000,000 people Okay, Sunday because of Jim Leland and fireworks or whatever it was. I think they inched over 10,000 The fans just aren't buying what they're selling. Maybe that's because of us Fourth of July was a pretty good crowd. It was a good environment. It's a good loss I went on fourth of July very good loss competitive game

The crowd was up with two outs in the ninth inning. Runners on first and second tying run there, ended up losing but it was a nice loss. Fireworks show was decent fireworks show. Fun time had by all, but 4th of July. Yeah, baseball might work down here. I would say this, like as much as we criticize the Marlins and we say oh they just had an eight game win streak and where's the crowd and all that stuff, I mean worse off are the Marlins and we say, oh, they just had an eight game win streak and where's the crowd and all that stuff. I mean, worse off are the Braves and the Nationals. The Nationals, I don't think there was any expectations,

but the Marlins are in third in the NL East right now. They're not gonna win the division, but there is a off chance that the wild card is interesting towards the end of the year. But man, the Braves are a disaster. I would hate to be the Braves or a Braves fan right now behind the Marlins with what they were supposed to be. The Braves are one of these teams

that we were talking about two, three years ago. Like, Braves are gonna be around for a decade and no one's gonna compete with them. And because of injuries and you know, Ronald Acuna Jr. has been injured a number of times, but the Braves have dealt with a ton of injuries and now the Marlins who have a fraction, like a quarter of their payroll maybe,

are ahead of them in the standings. I would be worried for my job if I were Brian Snitker because in MLB, the rule of thumb is, they fire the manager and the GM if that team falls behind the Marlins in the NLAs. That's the rule of thumb. Well, the Nationals just did that. Yeah, we just saw that.

Yeah, so, I guess Braves are next on that list. Right before the draft, right before the draft. You've fallen behind the Marlins, we fired everybody. Yes. Nationals are one of those teams like the Cavaliers, right? Where you're like, okay, how is it that they have so many number one picks every year? MLB drafts during the day.

Like, do you think if the Marlins and the Braves are playing at the same time as a draft, they can get fired during the draft? Quite possibly right before the pick Jeremy you know something about me, right? You know when I'm grilling outside and it's summertime You know how I supplement my summertime. Of course I do I make a miller time. Of course that beautiful white can Oh when it's so hot outside I just I just put it right to my forehead right there and just roll it sometimes right on the forehead cool my body down

And then I crack it cool my body down and then I crack it open in some relief and then that first sip brother does that first hit that is a top five Sequence of events that you can possibly go through. I'm just serenity now when I just imagined that first sip of Miller life Just think about it. It's making me do the Sun is out. It's nice. you have your friends showing up, you got your family there, you just had your first sip of Miller Lite, and you know what? You're happy. You're blissful. You're fulfilled.

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It really is. Yeah. I'm hard. Thank you. Wow. Stugats. So am I, is. I'm hard. Thank you. Wow. Stugats. So am I, actually. I don't know why. This is the Don LeBattar Show with the Stugats.

["The Stugats Show Theme"] Too many rounds in the MLB draft. Yeah, it's the worst of the drafts by far. Well, I guess being drafted into war is worse, but. Ha ha ha! MLB draft is theB draft. Yeah, it's the worst of the drafts by far. Well, I guess being drafted into war is worse, but. MLB draft is the worst draft. You're right. What are there, like 78 rounds? I think at one time, the baseball draft,

and I'm not making this up, I heard this somewhere. You can just keep picking. No, I think at one point in time, and it can't still be the thing, where the MLB draft just continued until every team was like, okay, we're good now. Like it just kept going until the teams all agreed to stop drafting.

It's 20 rounds now. So they cut it down during COVID because they eliminated so many minor league teams from across minor league baseball. So now each farm system only has four teams. And so they've limited the amount of people that you can select. So it went back to 10 after being five and now it's only 20 which is totally

reasonable considering how many minor league teams there are. I want to do something with you guys here because we haven't had a chance to do very much of this in the local hour. Our friend and colleague Barry Jackson who for many years I have said at the Miami Herald would be a number one pick. He would be a number one pick if we were drafting sports information people locally, although Andy Slater might be yelling and screaming that he wants in on that. But Barry Jackson has been a news breaker in this town for a long time. He doesn't usually delete his tweets, but there was a tweet deleted that read, it would

behoove the heat to Clear Out roster spot soon. That is all. I hate that so much. I do too. I hate it so much. That implies he knows something. Okay, so first of all, Barry Jackson unequivocally is the best reporter down here.

Okay, like let's put the cards on the table. Well, let's put it on the table. The best reporter out there. Why are you making a face, Greg? Any dispute? Do you have any dispute of that? Barry Jackson is a great reporter. Really great.

I just don't like that kind of a tweet. For me, OK, I'm interested if you agree with this, Greg, because we're two journalists who are on this show right now. So I'm interested if you agree with me. That tweet right there is a reporter telling you I know something you're not allowed to know yet right that's all that is yeah and that's me it's like it's a dick move to me I don't know if I'd go that strongly but my problem with a something like that is that you're throwing something at a wall hoping it sticks.

If two days later the heat do make a big move, Barry Jackson could look back at that tweet and go, Yeah, like I reported two days ago. No, that's what he's doing. He wants to be able to be, see I told you. Why did he delete it? Probably because of responses like this. You should ask him. I'll call him right now. Do it. No, I don't want to embarrass him.

Okay, that's a great joke if you're not going to execute it. And it was a joke. Why would it embarrass him? I mean, everybody has his number. The show is able to call him right now. I have his number. What was that? What was that spooky hands you did there? What are you doing?

I like doing that once in a while. It's a special effect. You got a nice tan going, Greg. Thank you. I appreciate that. Do I have the raccoon eyes? I feel like I do. I should put my glasses back on.

You do. Yeah, you've got, it is very clear that you've had things placed under your eyes that have, yeah, that have, were you wearing sunglasses still? Is that what that is? The residue of your sunglass sunburned face? These turn into sunglasses when I'm in the sun. I spent a lot of time in the sun over the weekend in Key Largo, and it was a beautiful time, had by all. Just lean back a little further if you can. Ruth's raccoons, right? Right, yeah.

That's why we call a coonskin, a unique nickname for a unique kid as a coonskin. I don't like that word. The idea that you guys are here, like honestly, that we're 30 minutes into the show and that both you and Billy have used some form of and a good time was had by all. What was?

It was. I mean, it's. What better way to describe it? I wanna read something to you guys, but before we go here, because I wanna get a ruling from Zaslow, who is a judge and a lawyer. Barry Jackson, Barry Jackson deleting that tweet, is that forgivable or is that not forgivable? Barry Jackson put out a tweet claiming he knows things that you don't.

The common person, normal, the poor's don't know. He knows. Unforgivable. common person normal the pores don't know he knows unforgivable for give a ball okay very jackson's been called out uh... you have uh... bary jackson also is the number one seed all-time on reporting locally correct uh... he and Andy Slater, I would say.

But Barry, I would put number one. All time? No, no, locally. No, I meant locally, but all time. Right now. Okay, right now, that's not all time. All time right now. Yeah, all time right now.

Best in show right now, like a horse, Barry. How far back does all time go? Wouldn't it be a dog, best in show? No, horses have that. I'd like to read you guys a sentence that I cannot get used to, and I'd like to ask all of you to give me what is the most absurd thing in this single sentence.

I also want you to imagine me reading this sentence in like the year, I'm gonna say, 2006. Five-star offensive tackle tackle Felix Ojo, number 20 in the 2026 ESPN 300, committed to Texas Tech on Friday upon signing a historic seven figure revenue share contract with the Red Raiders worth more than $5 million. His agent Derek Shelby of Prestige Management told ESPN. I want you to imagine me reading you that sentence five years ago even five years ago that

that one sentence of that what is the most absurd thing in that sentence because I'm gonna say that it's Texas Tech. My vote is I've got prestige management I've got his agent I've got historic seven-figure revenue share contract, I've got committed to Texas Tech, I've got five-star offensive tackle, number 20 in the ESPN 300. Not number one, number 20. Number one tackle though, in fairness. Those are important because the first 19 are probably quarterbacks.

Right. Those are more important. But just the going rate on this stuff and how it is that you get into this game, you guys aren't yet numb to it, are you? Like when I read that single sentence to you, it's no longer strange in any way? The revenue sharing is what sticks out to me there.

That is what sticks out to me as well, because in effect, you're starting to cut athletes in on ownership level income right now. You expect that when MLS and Inter Miami to get Lee Elmessie gives him a piece of the club ownership, but you don't expect that when anLS and Inter Miami to get Lee and LeMessie gives him a piece of the club ownership. But you don't expect that when an 18 year old offensive tackle coming out of high school is given revenue sharing. To me that's groundbreaking.

It made me happy. Like I just heard you read that and I was excited about it because it means that players are going to end up getting a more equitable share of what they deserve. Like the reality is, is like Tim Tebow should have made millions of dollars at UF just on jersey sales. And that's where revenue sharing comes in, is part of that is gonna be in the merch that's sold and things like that.

So when a player is that popular nationwide, it's gonna ultimately really help them and especially regionally. So I think this is awesome to hear about. I don't react with happy or awesome. I also don't react with anything at all negative. It's just sort of still shell shocked about the fact that it's so different than it was five years ago. The beginning of the pandemic, this whole thing changed because USC was talking about forming a union. The players in a conference that no longer exists

were threatening that they weren't gonna play if they didn't get money. And then four years later, I am fascinated is what I am. I'm not, I'm emotionally indifferent about it, but I can also, I guess, awe is awe. I guess that can't be emotionless, right? Because I'm looking at it and I am not that far removed

from Ta-Nehisi Coates writing in the Atlantic an article about reparations and an article about how it is that the NCAA was unjust and at that time four years five years before the revolution I could not have imagined the single sentence I just read to you about the nowhere program Texas Tech I think forming a college players union that's crazy to me. After 150 years of amateurism forming a union and then getting an agent that's crazy that's absolutely crazy. I mean everything has changed top to bottom in sports in college sports especially and you look

back I mean, Carl Jaskier was the first baseball player to make a hundred thousand dollars, right? I mean, everything changes generation by generation, and so when Jeremy's referencing, imagine what Tim Tebow thinks, that he was one of the greats and he got nothing compared to what a rookie offensive tackle is getting. He didn't get nothing though. He didn't get nothing. of the greats and he got nothing compared to what a rookie offensive tackle is getting up. He didn't get nothing though. He didn't get nothing.

Well, but relative to today he did, right? I mean, I guess like he didn't get paid while he was in school. That's what he didn't get. Okay. And when he came in, nobody offered him a cut of the Florida Gators revenue. You know, I mean, everything has changed fundamentally. It's just a crazy time we're living in. I don't begrudge the athletes for getting their share, but I also think it's to the

detriment of the sport. Because how can Texas Tech, beginning at the university level, not just the athletic program, how can they abide all of this? How can they continue to function when they're giving away revenue to players? Well, you can't say that you have no feeling about it being negative and then say it's a detriment to the sport. I think it's a detriment to the health of the sport. That's something the sport has to figure out.

So then you have a negative feeling about the athlete being paid if you think it's to the detriment of the sport. I don't agree with you that it's to the detriment of the sport. I think the sport is healthier than it's ever been and there's more money to share than there's ever been. And I am super curious, once someone gets a T-Bow, what's that worth? Right. Like, I am legitimately awed about how seismic the change is, but I am not reticent or opposed to the change because anywhere you find growth you will

find change so if I'm finding revenue growth I'm going to find growth of all kinds everywhere I don't see where and how it's a detriment to the sport if Texas Tech can play in this game that anyone can right if Texas Tech though is is giving revenue sharing to the offensive tackle what about the five star quarterback what does he get? But so what though? So why would you want to limit costs on that? Here's so what, because if you're giving revenue sharing to your 10 biggest football players

and your five biggest basketball players, what does that do to the tennis program and all the other sports on campus? There's a trickle effect that's going to hurt college sports. It's gonna be great for some of the top tier athletes. And don't make any mistake about this. This is only the top tier athletes we're talking about.

Okay, the third string guard is getting an NAL deal from the Dairy Queen for free ice cream and 50 bucks a month. He's not getting his revenue sharing. It's a top heavy system right now that's going to trickle down and affect other sports. Why wasn't it bad for sports last year or the year before that? Like when are you announcing that it's bad for sports? I'm just announcing that giving athletes revenue sharing is a whole different level of payment. Well it's just giving them some ownership.

It's the way the whole world is moving in terms of you can be your own brand, you can start your own thing on the internet, you can be an entrepreneur. It's, business is all moving in this direction. I agree. And it's good for the ones at the very top. But it's good for everybody who gets money, right? More people are getting money than they've ever gotten

it, correct? Yeah, but 90% of them are getting what? Okay, it's an imperfect system, but it's better than it's been in terms of compensating them fairly, is it not? It's better than it's been in the sense that all of a sudden, think what began all of this I think what tipped over the domino here was the star quarterback looking at his high school looking at his college coach getting eight ten million dollars or more per season season and the star quarterback who's winning the games is getting nothing and he's looking at the TV contract he's looking at how much money his school gets from being in a major bowl and he's going give me mine And and that's fair on the face of it

But the guy blocking for him on his offensive line is getting very very little relatively speaking I just told you just got five million dollars. I know but he's the five. He's the exception He's the five-star number one rated offensive tackle naturally Okay, but so nobody should get the money since the bottom guys aren't getting it like I'm confused what you're arguing for here there's no equity right now okay it's a top-heavy system that's there's there's literal equity there might not be equality there's they're giving him equity in the revenue there's no quality in life like in what job is there equity I mean in every job there. There's no equality in the equity. I mean isn't that life? Like in what job is there equity?

I mean in every job there's equity, right? No, the people who are better make more money. Okay, but if you have a union you make a minimum amount. There's such thing as a minimum wage, right? The relative to the- Well what are the minimum, I'm sorry to interrupt you, but wouldn't the minimum wage be, you're on scholarship, that's the minimum wage. Well that used to you, but what would the minimum wage be? You're on scholarship That's the minimum wage

Well that used to be everything and now the top players are getting revenue sharing and the bottom players are getting nothing Well, you're you're very worried about the bottom players who aren't getting anything while not sort of Acknowledging that the top players are now getting something closer to their actual value Yes Which represents improvement and growth and isn't necessarily bad for anybody other than people who are lamenting that they want their old Cis Boomba amateurism back. Okay, I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is the idea that this offensive tackle is getting a cut now of the revenue of Texas Tech is a whole new level of payment that is

going to have a negative trickle-down effect on the whole athletic program at a school I believe but you can't prove that in any way and you're just objecting to it on its face because it makes you uncomfortable I can't prove it in any way because we are right in the middle of it not even in the middle of it we're right at the front of it. Not even in the middle of it We're right at the front of it. We are just beginning all of this is unfolding on it. NIL was New a couple of years ago and now revenue sharing is new. This is a groundbreaking story I think because of the revenue sharing aspect Would you not say though and I'll leave this after this because I know this is an age-old July argument, but would you not at least concede if we're talking about equitable or we're talking

about fairness, paying the tackle five million dollars is more in line with whatever the athlete's worth is, what the value is then whatever is the guy or the woman on the crew team that you're worried about right now sure neither neither of them are being paid um... right neither of them are being paid their value necessarily because in the case of a tim tiboh he's worth much more than whatever it is that you would pay him just by virtue of being that uh... that size of the economy but you would agree right that it's more it's it's more fair now that used to be on value and just measuring the value of

athletes what they're worth well the the football program and men's basketball programs have always carried college sports across the country the the fairness comes in and title nine used to insist that if you had a men's golf team you had to have a women's golf team, a good thing. Now Title IX is being systematically dismantled and so what we're going to see is top heavy, this is a prediction, I can't prove it's going to happen, we're going to see college programs really paired back, there's not going to be any crew teams. Maybe the tennis programs are going to be intramural now

instead of varsity. Isn't that sort of capitalism? Yes. Yeah. If I was on the crew team, I would just kind of put my hand up and be like, look, I don't deserve what the football team deserves. OK.

I'm good. Yeah, and maybe some of them are realistic enough to think that. I don't think they'd say it. I mean, do you guys think that there's going to be a collective bargaining agreement sooner or later? Because it just seems like they're going to form a union and the school is going to talk to them. And boom, there you go. We got a legally binding contractor.

If anything, Greg, the concern that you have about this inequity, I would think this is actually a step in the right direction, right? Because if revenue sharing starts becoming a piece of this, that's when ultimately revenue sharing is dispersed to the entire team. So the issue that you have, which is, hey, these individuals are getting paid all this much, the people getting the major NIL deals that are separating themselves from the rest of the group,

those are the people we're talking about who are like the individual content creators or things like that. When you're starting to deal with revenue sharing, you're talking about having stake in the company that you're working for, right? And it's mutually beneficial to both the company and yourself for that company to succeed.

So if anything, this is a step in the direction toward what you want, which is making sure that everyone on the team is getting a piece. And in this scenario, it's a giant offer to get one individual guy. But I would think that this is sort of the first step in a years long process that might eventually lead us

toward revenue sharing with every athlete in college football, because that's what ultimately happens in all of these professionalized leagues. I would hope that you're right. I think it's a big leap to assume that's going to be the next step because Texas Tech can apparently can afford to cut in this great offensive tackle, supposedly great offensive tackle. They can afford to cut him into revenue sharing, But there's five other, ten other players on that team who want their share right now because of

what he got. And the star of the men's basketball team is going, what about us? And so's the number one player on the men's tennis team. There's going to be a demand for revenue sharing and the revenue may not be there. I don't know how this is gonna work maybe it eventually maybe it's gonna work at an Alabama another name I don't know how's it gonna work at a Texas Tech how's it gonna work at a Florida Atlantic University? Let them worry about that okay and they will and they are I would not want to be an athletic director right now in college sports because it's turned into

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