The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Local Hour: Jimmy Butler Trade Reaction

Episode Date: February 6, 2025

The Jimmy Butler saga is finally complete as the Miami Heat have traded him to the Golden State Warriors in exchange for Andrew Wiggins, Kyle Anderson, PJ Tucker and a draft pick. Jeremy is fired up to talk about this move, but he's not allowed to discuss it until he produces the "thong song" he promised us yesterday. David Samson wanted to do an emergency show last night after eating at “Cote,” but Pablo Torre was…in a towel. What would a restaurant called Samson look like? Plus, a random guy broke the trade to the Miami Heat bench during their game last night, Ryan Cortes is fired up about PJ Tucker, Samson only seems to care about Kyle Anderson and Amin has some insight straight from Jimmy's agent about how this trade came together. Today's cast: Pablo, Amin, David, Chris, Roy, Izzy, Jeremy. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Based on a true story. New season Mondays at 9 Eastern and Pacific. Only on W. Stream on Stack TV. This is the Don LeBattor Show with the Stoogats Podcast. I was already excited to be in Miami. I am so excited to be in this room with these specific people we have on the show today. It's gonna be... David, I don't want to set expectations too high, but when I tell you that Steve... God, I sound like Dan when I say when I tell you. When I tell you... What am I supposed to do with all this?

What I find interesting... I can't. What am I supposed to do with all this? What I find interesting. I'm effect, I can't. What am I supposed to do with all of this? Stephen A. Smith is polling in actual polls for a candidate, a Democratic candidate for president. And that's not what we're doing to lead the show. Is it? Just to give you a sense of it. Is it not? We're not.

We're not gonna do it. You mean to tell me I'm leading in polls and you don't wanna talk about it? This is despicable by you, Pablo. That was decent. That's not, Lorne Michaels wouldn't call you back. Do better. Try again right now.

Go. David Sampson, who I know very, very well. Oh, there it is. Wants to say that my Stephen A. Smith isn't up to par for Lorne Michaels and SNL. Let me tell you something, SNL been on the air for 65 years. Oh, come on, it's a good show.

Ooh. So, so. Wow, that's right. We're gonna lose an album. Well, that'll learn Michaels. The emergence of executive producer Chris Cody is a subplot that I was not totally prepared for when I got here.

But he is, he's in full bloom. He's heat checking. Chris Cody who came in saying bowling maybe got to him a little bit last night. Long night at bowling. Where were you, Chris? I wanna go around the room. Where were all of us when we found out,

and let's get Pat Riley in the room by the way. He's not here. Get him back. Thank you. Where were you when you found out, and let's get Pat Riley in the room, by the way, he's not here, get him back. Thank you. Where were you when you found out that we're gonna laugh at the Miami Heat? I was at a bowling alley, and you could see, yeah, with my dad, my dad actually had to leave

after game, three games is usually bowling, after game two, it happened midway through game two, he got a call from his boss, he's like, guys, I gotta go. Wow, you couldn't have right from the alley? I was like, you, I gotta go. Wow. You couldn't have right from the alley? I was like, you should just dictate it. So yeah, I was there and I just saw people

looking at their phones, it was one of those things. Well, that was startling to see that hand enter the room. I just saw a finger pointing at me. There's really no reason for you to have been late though. No, I mean, me being late had nothing to do with bowling. I thought you were talking about that. Yeah, me being late was me waking up at 715 and my wife being like, are you going to work today?

And I was like, huh? Yeah. It was bad. It's nothing to do with bowling though. Nothing to do with bowling. We can't leave Pat, for those of you watching on Dan LeBattard Network, are you, we're going to leave him right there? Right behind, is he pointing at you? He's reaching out to you so you can awkwardly dap him.

I'd snuggle him right now. It's like that portrait of Guy touching the finger of the other guy in the portrait. That's right. That's Roy shouting out Renaissance art. Hello. Botticelli? Yeah, whatever you say. Whatever you say. Botticelli. I would ask Jeremy where Jeremy was

because Jeremy is of course the most plugged in in the building that's across the street from this building reporter that we have. But Jeremy is not allowed to talk about the Miami Heat until he does something. What? That we said we wanted yesterday. Deliverables.

You have to be able to do your job. What did I do wrong? Thong song, make it. You promised the thong song. You guys were serious? So David Samson calls his flip flops not flip flops, but. They're thongs. I'm wearing them today, actually.

Comfortably. And this right now, Jeremy, would be a great time for me to gesture to you and you hit play. Instead, we don't have anything. I haven't done this. To sell the bit. What were you doing?

So what we need. There were a few other things going on. Touching your nipples to Andrew Wiggins? Did you? You can't, don't answer that. No, no. You're not allowed to. No, no.

You can't, you're forbidden. We are edging towards heat discourse and Jeremy is going to just have to have to you know so you're telling me that literally the only way we get to talk about this trade is if I go you can talk about I can talk about what happens after the edging well is he we're about to find out. I was at a great restaurant when the text came in. What was the restaurant? Cote Miami.

Where is that? Isn't that Cody Miami? Yeah. Oh, is it pronounced Cody? It's spelled the same. It is spelled the same. It's a Korean barbecue steakhouse in Midtown. Incredibly fancy.

Michelin award winner. You could get the Michelin A5 Tasting I didn't quite get that However, then the phone started going off and my first thought was well, we're in Miami Let's go do the show right now live right now Yeah, call the phone and I can't taste anything right no So why are you going to such an expensive restaurant? There's a lot of spices. Lot of spice. So you feel spice or you taste spice?

I feel it. It's hot. It's hot. So like around your temples, like up in the jaw area? Nasal. That combined with the texture of the beef, right? The texture of beef is, it's a great restaurant. Let's clip that.

It's a clip. I want Pablo ready to go. I want you ready to go. And the only word I get back as I'm trying to spring into action, Pablo, quote, I'm in a towel. At a spa, I believe. I was working. I was decompressing.

In a towel. In a pre-scheduled spa setting. Did you have cucumbers on your eyes? I wish, what happened was, I have a routine, you can imagine what the first part of the routine is, I don't even need to say what the routine is, but I go and I lie down and I forgot that my contacts were in.

And when I awoken, I cannot specifically give you the Pantone color of red that my eyes were. But it was bad. I wish I had cucumbers on my eyes. Instead, I had shriveled up contact lenses. And that's why you couldn't detour, get dressed, and come do some work.

I was not camera ready. Are you now? Wait to see. We had an opportunity guys. Yeah, David wanted to come into the studio to talk about this trade. I said we should wait till everybody's ready to talk about the trade. How are we not ready?

It's not like this came out of, we've been talking about Jimmy Butler for how long? Like since January 1st. Okay, does that give you enough time to be ready? 35 days. Were you gonna learn about his stats or try to guess what Pat Riley was gonna do? We needed to be here and I wasn't gonna come alone

because I told Cody I was scared. Well, hold on. Chris was offended that you did not invite him to a restaurant that had named after him. If I was going to a restaurant called Sampson last night, I would have invited you. Ha, sounds like a terrible restaurant. Very plain, very unseasoned food.

Samson's. Little bags of candy. That's an insane dress code for no reason. I wore a Robert Graham shirt. Damn right. The steaks, sloppy. Sloppy steaks. If the restaurant were pronounced Cody,

I would have invited you, but it's not. We actually have no idea how the restaurant's name is pronounced. I believe it's called Coat. I believe that Amin Elhassan's night, when it comes to who is struggling the most on the road to giving takes this morning, I believe Amin is gonna win that contest.

Yeah, I was recording it to like one in the morning. I hate this week. Are you already empty of takes the if the regenerate malls because it does it's not like i get this argument with dan a lot there's a i need new stuff on my this is the stuff it's like there's no one's coming up and say milk is boring give me something that no milk sells it does numbers everyone wants to talk about this to be

bullet-rate everyone wants to talk about what the Lakers did last night everyone wants to talk about Kyle Kuzma right yeah the Wizards Brandon Ingram like this there's a bunch of deals just because I said it on SiriusXM radio last night doesn't mean well that's expired turn that one away give me a new one

make someone else get traded I mean right now so that we can talk about that that hasn't talked about anywhere. It's fresh Hold on a mean is arguing for the Nikko Harrison Nike pitch approach. Yeah. Look I gave this to Kevin Durant I'm gonna change a couple of dames. It'll be all good for you. There's no such thing as tailor-made trade talk Like that's the thing. I don't understand if with that on the pole, is there such a thing as tailor-made trade talk? They don't do bespoke trade talk. But your bread is buttered here. Dan, what he says, he did it to us.

He said, I want 30 seconds of new takes on Luca. And all of a sudden in the container, well, that's our job. Your job is to come in here live and give us something we can't get anywhere else. David, David. This is already annoying. To say you can't get it anywhere else

assumes that the consumer is hanging on every syllable with bated breath. They're not? Anywhere that we talk in the world. If I'm at a club and the bouncer is there and I'm giving him 15 minutes of show, well, I just gave away 15 minutes of show, it could have been done, no, no.

You went on till 1 a.m. talking about the Jimmy Puppets. What I'm not getting enough of from the people I need takes from is takes. Thank you. So Ryan Cortez, I texted him. So you went to Cortez? I went to Cortez and I said, Cortez, you prepared to zoom in tomorrow

because Cortez is the minister of heat propaganda and Cortez says, quote, zoom in, Cortez, you prepared to zoom in tomorrow because Cortez is the minister of heat propaganda. And Cortez says, quote, zoom in, question mark. I'm going to jump in front of a train. That's a horrible text. Brightline? Don't do not that. We did not prep that pre-show. I'm just saying.

If he really is saying that, there's places to get help. Thank you. You don't joke about that. Trigger warning for the description. Yeah, that's terrible. What I want a sense of is how it feels to be a Miami Heat fan right now. How does it feel?

I see Heat fans trying to spin this as a win. As just like, okay, we got Wiggins. No, you sound pathetic Heat fans. It's a little numbing. This was like break glass in case of emergency last resort, Andrew Wiggins, no? I mean, especially with all the Durant rumors yesterday, it felt like a fart.

That's, see me and Izzy talked about this yesterday. Farting. That was another conversation. No, the reality is this deal feels less than for people like Chris and other fans because you know what could have happened. What could have happened was the ultimate prize. What could have happened was that guy right there.

Pat Riley. Coming back to life and saying to everybody, hey, let's do it again. How many times has he gone after Kevin Durant? Wow, okay, so it's 2016. Good question, Chris. There was when he went to the Nets, there was when he went to the Sun.

Well, that was the fourth time now. He'll get it one day. They're not quitters. What is Pat Riley saying this morning? We're almost there. Oh no, what he's saying is I've got till 3 p.m. to get rid of Anderson. Because otherwise, the whole trade, I would not.

Kyle Anderson. Kyle Anderson, thank you. The whole thing that people are not talking enough about, but I assume you were on till 1 a.m., you covered this. The fact that the heat couldn't move Anderson, Toronto, is crushing to them because of luxury tax, buyout market, the trade exceptions. They've gotta move money.

So if you, David, if you would have gotten what you wanted yesterday, told everybody, hey, you get out of your towel, Pablo, get over here, Amin, get over here, I don't care about SiriusXM. You would have started with Kyle Anderson talk. I would have started with, I would not make this trade without Toronto. Remember, the way it was announced.

I wouldn't have stayed up for that. Was that Kyle, well, that's why I didn't call on you. Was that, because you need your beauty sleep. I get it, I'm with you, and you look great today. But Kyle Anderson. I cannot believe you're doing Kyle Anderson talk. He was really. I like the idea that someone out there is like I rely on the Dan Leventhal show to inform me Not only of takes but I knew one problem. We have led with Kyle Anderson even his game is boring

I'm nowhere else learning that he's involved in this right now Well, that's the difference between someone who's paying attention to the business side and not bowling. Oh The fact of the matter is that they've got till 3 p.m. to make a move or I would not have made the buck. So what David is talking about, right now the heat are two and a half million dollars over the apron. In order to get under that apron, they've gotta shed salary and the problem is,

all the names that would accomplish that are like guys they would wanna keep, or and slash or guys that can't move so like if you look around that salary level you've got Jaime Jaquez jr. obviously they're not gonna move him Jovich obviously they're not gonna move him Kill Elware obviously they're not gonna move him Heywood Highsmith they like him a lot they're not gonna move him and so Kyle Anderson is the new guy now the irony is I think he could actually help this team.

He's a good player. But at that point, the margin of improvement that he brings does not, I don't think, make up for the lack of getting tax disbursements because in the NBA, and now this is really the show. We've said tax disbursements before Steph Curry. I'm doing a great job hosting this morning. Also, Chris Cody just looked up Kyle Anderson

so he could quote, see what this guy looks like. Can we, can we, look. We win. I led with. Dan, we're doing great. I led with how are all of us learning about the trade. I wanna show everybody, in case you missed this, how Kevin Love, member of the Miami Heat

heard about the trade Wait, are you kidding? Wait, are you kidding? She's my favorite now. So that guy who was breaking the news like the person whispering into George Bush's ear on 9-11. That is the moment of his life. Sitting behind the bench as Kevin Love is just with baited breath wondering, not playing, what had just happened to his life and his team. That dude, what did he say? We killed them, we robbed them?

We robbed them. Robbed them. Robbed, robbed. We got Wiggins. I think it's, again, if the name Kevin Durant had never come up, you'd be like, all right, given everything that's happened since January 1, this is a pretty good deal.

The problem is, you know that for a window of time, and I'm telling you right now, I didn't talk about it yesterday on the show because I'm not clear to talk about it, but that conversation was real. Kevin Durant for Jimmy Butler straight up was a real conversation. What does that mean you're not clear to talk about?

Clear by who? Air traffic control? Cleared by the source who you speak to? Pretty much. Who is controlling you, Ameen? That's very bizarre to me. I'm not a news breaker, David, so when people tell me stuff.

No, there's a good, I like this. I like the gradations of the terror alerts, that's a loaded red four for Ameen. Just the- The gradation? The gradations of I am cleared to say this, I have been told, I am hearing, source is close to the situation.

I happen to know. Nine times out of 10, when I'm told stuff, it is not for public consumption, I only will reveal it when it has been reported somewhere else, and then I confirm, yeah, I've heard the same thing. So I'm the same way, we don't break news on nothing personal, but that doesn't mean

I can't talk about a subject. Well, I talk about it, I'm not gonna say, So I'm the same way. We don't break news on nothing personal, but that doesn't mean I can't talk about a subject. Well, I talk about it. I'm not going to say, hey, by the way, Kevin Durant for Jimmy Butler is imminent. I can't say that. Fair. Which is what was happening. Other people were saying it, though.

That's what we just said. Not while we were on air. That happened after we got off here. That's true. Look, it is true that you guys both know things that you don't say aloud. I often am the beneficiary of those things because I then get to launder it as my own sometimes. But what I want to point out about, oh god, Cortez has just texted me.

Oh god. Have you guys even mentioned PJ Tucker yet? Bro, we got PJ bleeping Tucker back. Put the town on alert. Cortez is basically that guy in the video we just played. Oh, behind the bench? Yeah. Certainly not Kevin Love. But that guy, do you think that guy knew,

do you think that guy knew, Chris, that he was about to go, again, one of the great clips of the NBA season? It's also inaccurate, correct? Yes. Schroeder ended up getting rerout about to go, again, one of the great clips of the NBA season. It's also inaccurate, correct? Yes. Yes, Schroeder ended up getting rerouted to Utah, which was convenient because the Warriors were playing the Jazz last night, so.

Well, this guy was on top of it, though. He was quick, because the ESPN story originally had exactly what he said. And I remember texting Jeremy. I was like, wait a second. There's got to be another move here, right? That's too many people. And then he had mentioned PJ Tucker in his text. And I was like, a second there's got to be another move here right that's too many people and then he had mentioned PJ Tucker in his text and I

was like what the hell is happening this ESPN story is bare bones it doesn't have all the good information so I had to search the internet for the rest are we saying this guy choked he had a moment in the Sun it was in fact sure exuberance he should have said hey Kevin love you're in the trade yeah sorry buddy get up get your things. The power that he had to control news and information to freak out the entire Miami Heat. Folks, did you know that sleep is one of the most important parts of recovery? Whether you're a pro athlete or just looking to crush your day, getting the right kind of rest is key.

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Stugats They'll play D and show threes as they chase the Nats for the sixth seed These five words in his head scream are we winning games yet? This is the Don LeVatar Show with the Stugats You think they were freaked out that Jimmy Butler was... I think it's, well actually a fair question. If you're on the Miami heat right now, Jimmy Butler, the temperature of this thing in the locker room has mostly been communicated through Kevin Love's memes

on Instagram in which it's conveyed to me they're not freaked out, they're joking about it. What does it actually feel like to you? Well, I mean, obviously Kevin Love has launched into a second career of superstar just by posting movie clips that are relevant to the situation. But the funny thing is, David, I heard you talking the other day about telling players that they got traded.

And Dan being like, well, there's a broken trust, I think it was to talk about Cooper Cup. And it reminded me of years and years ago, Alvin Gentry told me the story that they were gonna trade, he was working for the Spurs and they were gonna trade Ken Norman. And Ken Norman was notoriously like a tough guy. And so Alvin, you gotta tell him.

And so Alvin's all nervous and stuff and he's practicing in front of the mirror. Alvin's still kind of a young guy in the game at this point. And he goes up to Ken and he said, Ken, you know, we wanna thank you for everything you've done for the organization. Unfortunately, we decided to go in a different path and so you've been traded.

You gotta lead with the you've been traded. You've been traded to Milwaukee, right? And Ken looks at him and he says, they have banks in Milwaukee? And Alvin's like, yeah, then I'm fine, cool. And he just says, that's it, and that's most players. Most players, yeah, like this is a part of it. Now obviously the Luka deal is an example

of like no one saw that coming, but if you aren't Luka Dantic, if you are a regular rank and file NBA player, or someone who was suspended several times since January 1st, everyone knows something is coming. So it's not a shocker, like, oh my God, what are we gonna do? Who won this trade, though?

Who won? Who won this trade? With Pat Riley, with Cardboard, Pat Riley as my witness. I want a verdict. Two things, one, it kind of looks like what I imagine other people feel when they turn on the show for the first time and see Pablo instead of Dan.

And it's just like, oh, this guy. Puppet strings. We should get strings hanging from his face. There's one clear winner to me. I can't believe we're even debating it. To me, the clear winner is Jimmy Butler because the Warriors gave him $121 million extension. $111.

So he did not, is it 100? I thought it was 121. I'm gonna have to do a correction on nothing personal. Are you sure it's 121? Can you can you reveal your source? Bobby Marks. Okay Bobby Marks says 111 not 121. Okay. All right I gotta go re-tape something but listen, player option gone. It's now guaranteed. Two years and age 36 and 37 making, so now it's only 55 and 56, I thought it was 60 and 60.

Yeah, 54 and 58. But he's also in a place that is probably better suited for him to actually win something, even more so than Phoenix if he would have been there with Durant because that would have been still a collection of random stars brought together, maybe by Coach Budd, but probably not, versus the Golden State Warriors,

and I keep pointing to that 2022 title. History's gonna show that one of the biggest anomalies, one of the weirdest championships ever, and they did it with what, half the team that was that best team ever, 2017, 2018 team. So, but the idea that Jimmy can go in there and win a championship seems kinda real. By the way, do you guys know what the Warriors also accomplished beyond gaining Jimmy Butler and giving him that deal? It didn't involve an apron?

Yes, they got under the first apron. At some point we're gonna explain aprons. Sure, it's the thing that you wear when you're cooking. There should be an NBA related like cooking show, right? And it becomes more restrictive the more aprons you wear and you have to go From there our merch store has failed and not offering aprons NBA NBA Deadline, I'll wear that I don't I don't want to see that Just an apron and thongs. I

Regret, that's a Wednesday. I Regret so much that has ha ha. I regret. Don't ever look at me like that again. I regret so much that has happened already. I regret the question I asked who won the trade. Really what I wanted to know was who lied to us? Who lied? Was there a lie told? I wanna know. There was Jimmy Butler, there was Bernie Lee,

Jimmy Butler's agent, there was the Miami Heat. Bernie's always the answer. Who's lying? The agent. The agent is always lying. So what did he lie about and was he lying successfully to the point where he got exactly what they wanted like look the idea was that Jimmy wanted money that's all this has been

about it's not about the office changed around me it's not about they didn't get me enough help it's about Jimmy Butler has a track record of demanding he gets paid flight what he thinks he's worth and when he doesn't he basically says well i'm gonna go somewhere where they will will pay me and every step of the way that's where it's happened this is not a culture story no they might use a sham story where shams had the list of teams that the agent said don't be ridiculous for shams is a total lie i've got my

misremembering the story here where the warriors were one of the four teams that Shams had Agent for Jimmy Butler said this is absolute horse hockey. So this is an example of something where I can reveal where Bernie told me that and I'm not saying that this is true. I'm just telling you This is what Bernie told me Bernie told me they never I'm not saying that this is the truth, I'm just telling you this is what Bernie told me. Bernie told me they never requested a deal until the heat suspended Jimmy the first time and they said, well, if you feel like that,

then you might as well just move him, basically. If this is how you feel about Jimmy Butler, that enough to suspend him for conduct detrimental sounds like you kind of are done with him and you just want to get rid of them. That was the first time the words, trade him, had ever been uttered from the Butler side. But the reports and rumors had preceded that by a couple of weeks. And so that's Bernie Lee's point is that we never asked.

Okay, but this is an interesting dissection of what a lie is. Because I imagine Pat Riley is saying, okay, you didn't say it, but you were pretty much making us feel like this was on the way. No, the idea that we want to go to Phoenix or Golden State or like a list of teams or all that. That's what Bernie was- Oh, the specific,

the graphic destination. That's what the conversation was, but this all started when the heat went off for him and extension at the beginning of the season. But this is why Jimmy is both the winner and the loser here because it was clear, based on all the reporting, that he wanted to get himself to Phoenix because he knew they would pay him. And maybe there was something else about Phoenix

that he liked better. Sure. Maybe he thought the Warriors were past their abilities to win anything at all. State tax. But they backed him into a corner, approaching the deadline. Both the Warriors and Jimmy are kind of losers here because the Warriors didn't want to pay him.

They ended up having to and they were desperate for another star. Jimmy didn't want to go to the Golden State, but he's over there anyway. And so it's one of those deals where Jimmy had to back off and probably thinking, hey, they'll just leave me on the roster all year long because that's the threat that he'd had.

Wait, why did the Warriors have to pay him? I missed that part of your. Because in order for them to trade for him, he wouldn't play for them, he wouldn't sign an extension with them, therefore don't trade for me, that whole act. That's what he did with the Warriors. Same thing he did with Memphis.

But let him just play out the year and. Okay, see how that works out. They gave up assets to get him, that's the whole point. It's the same thing you just said, I wouldn't have done that deal without having a landing spot for Kyle Anderson. Oftentimes teams, when they've agreed to terms with the teams with the principles of numbers work,

the next point part is you give permission for that team to talk to the agent. Yeah, baseball does that too, but the talks happen before that, you know that. Of course. So Butler did that, but I, if you're the Warriors, you can also just call the bluff. No, no, but but David you're not going to risk it. That's the point. You don't do that deal unless you know he's going to sign the extension.

So they talked to him and they figured out and that's why they do the deal. Well part of, but I mean to your point, part of like what I want to wonder about here is whether Jimmy Butler and Bernie Lee are good at this. The idea of like, we're so unpredictable and volatile that we might just get out of here as soon as you trade for me for all that stuff. Are you kidding me? There's a Stockton and Malone of this. They're amazing.

Like, Bernie's doing this over here and Jimmy's doing that over here. I don't even know, by the way, they're so good at it, I don't even know if it's premeditated. I think they're both just doing their own chaos individually. That's my question. And it just fits perfectly.

Is this a strategy, or is this just exactly the right temperament you need to scare teams that are increasingly desperate for talent? I say this all the time. In the NBA, they tell you be professional and da da da, and you don't like it, it's okay, you can put your request in, but you show up and you do your thing,

and be a good soldier, and I'd say it time and time again, if you do that, you're never gonna get what you want. The only way you get what you want in the NBA is you make a big effing mess, and Jimmy Butler and Bernie Lee are masters of, we're done here, okay, let's start effing up this place, flipping up tables and spilling drinks in people's faces.

And David, you could shake your head, but at every step they've gotten to where they wanted to go and they've gotten compensated. There's no question. Who is the hour there? Owners, it's owners, presidents, you give in, and I can't stand it. Of course they're gonna keep behaving that way.

If there's no consequences to behavior, you're gonna change it. You have a we don't negotiate with terrorists position. I learned from the best. Golda. Oh, I thought you were gonna say Harrison Ford in Air Force One. Hi, Jeremy is back and I don't know why. Am I allowed to talk?

Or do you have a song? Are you allowed to talk? Yeah, there's a song. You're allowed to sing. Chris? These things right here, hmm, for letting all the ladies know what I'm all about. You know, the finer things in life.

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The word toes was right there Oh god Look at my toes, look at my toes Put your god damn foot down There was one word that made that entire song Like sometimes one word makes a song And sandalus I wonder who wrote that one it was a mean guys I didn't know I was actually supposed to do this I did that in 20 minutes but thank you thanks

thanks for the critics so tired when you came back in here like exhausted I should have just ghost written the song and gave it to him but then we'd have to hear his takes we have to anyway. He did call what I presumed was, yeah, a pretty intimidating bluff, but I guess. Yeah, you're welcome. I guess. Jeremy's been saying for weeks, there are Wiggins away, so.

Look, I have been saying as a joke, they could really use a wing that's a two-way player that can help create for others occasionally, sort of like a Jimmy Butler. But Andrew Wiggins is really helpful to what they're doing right now. I actually, obviously, as I was making this, don't know what we were talking about for the last 25 minutes. I assume it was talking about how having Durant floated for the last eight or so hours of these negotiations really deflated what should be looked at as a pretty solid deal considering

the circumstances, you had a player completely force his way somewhere else. I'm happy that Jimmy ultimately got what he wanted in his money, I think the Heat are probably in whatever petty parts of them a little bit happy that it wasn't Phoenix, the team that he initially was trying to get himself to. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, the question I have for you is- in whatever petty parts of them a little bit happy that it wasn't Phoenix the team that he Okay, this is the question I have for you. That's a fine

Bucket then mo bucket immediately Chris. Do we have the Venmo fine? We need the we need the login Yes, I can't get fine because Cortez is texting me more about PJ I don't know you're fine cuz your phone was on phone interrupt. That's $10 Pablo because your phone was on. Phone interruptions, that's $10 Pablo. God, fine. Luckily, it's not a Tuesday. I do have Venmo. Venmo double. Venmo bucket is presented by, you guessed it, Venmo.

What? Jeremy, what is the propaganda spin here for the Heat? You were beginning to say that there is- Why am I always positioned as having a propaganda spin? Why can't I just cover basketball? You were just saying that Jimmy Butler getting paid a hundred plus zillion dollars by the Warriors was something that he could feel good about because it wasn't the sons giving him that.

I'm saying whatever little petty parts of them want to feel good about waiting it out and trying to get the deal that they wanted as opposed to the one that Jimmy wanted in only for Jimmy. But the reality is, is it probably would have worked in some sort of mech-nations like this one to get him to Phoenix either way, if Durant had just been willing to go to Golden State. So it would have been Wiggins and some sort of pick and what they got.

David mentioned Kyle Anderson earlier and needing to reroute him. That's something maybe we'll see later today. Only, to me, the importance of that is because of the heat, I believe, get under the first apron, that they can go get someone on the buyout market when the time comes. They could use another ball handler,

a point guard that can help them initiate offense. But what Wiggins does for them in what the present machinations of their starting lineup is in particular is huge. He's a gigantic upgrade offensively from what they have in Haywood High Smith, but not a downgrade. Is this a Heat culture bet?

Or it's like hey, bring Wiggins in into our system and we can do some things. Don't you put that evil on me Ricky, but it's completely different. As far as the heat is concerned, they get themselves a two-way replacement for a superstar that goes elsewhere. But there's, the difference is, Luol was a guy that you knew showed up every night.

And Andrew Wiggins, even at the championship peak, Andrew Wiggins, the consistency has been a concern. And so you look at his career career going from Minnesota to Golden State and yes Tibbs And and Jimmy can be rough But this is gonna be a cultural awakening for him coming somewhere where the entire organization Not a couple of people are very demanding Jimmy Butler is not a superstar today He's he's named fantastic way to go. He had a great run with the Heat. He's not, they're talking about him and Steph Curry,

one of the top five now duos in the NBA. I was trying to think how quickly I could come up with those. I'm putting Wemby and Fox ahead of Curry and Butler today. Not right now. We also have a difficult time discussing Jimmy Butler generally because his regular season performance and playoff performance are so drastically different. Not right now. Not right now. I think we also have a difficult time discussing Jimmy Butler generally because his regular season performance and playoff performance are so drastically different

in terms of production and reputation. The thing that infuriated the Heat, it turns out, this season is the thing that makes him special. Is the thing that makes him, actually, I think Miles Brown put it on Twitter. He's like an aging old pit bull that can still like strangle you to death, but generally he's just not gonna be as active.

Mostly he just sits around licking himself. But you're still afraid of him. That does make you a top five duo. Pit bulls are very friendly. The way Pablo started that statement, it sounded like you said, it turns out the friends, the thing that we discovered

were the friends we made along the way or whatever. No, look, here's the deal. Jimmy Butler is every bit as potent as he's been the last couple of years. The biggest question is just like, are you healthy? That's the biggest question. And so if he's healthy, it is a remarkable upgrade for Golden State to get us a secondary scorer who is consistent,

who can score in a different way than kind of Steph Curry's whirling chaos around the court and defensively keeps them at an elite level. The question is though, is that enough to overcome Oklahoma City? Probably not. There's still ninth in the Western Conference. Yeah, but that's fluid.

The odds are that they're a playing team at best. There's also the idea that there's a difficulty to play. You can't just drop in and play in the Steve Curry, Steph Curry offense. Like there's a period of time that you have to learn everything, whether Jimmy's willing to do that, whether he wants to break the plays more often and just get his own, that might be the bigger problem there

because he is not just a natural flowing offensive player. He's more of a rugged guy. Get his stuff. He's a ball stopper. Yeah, ball stopper for sure. He's a ball stopper. Well, the irony for that is that that was part of the issue in what they spoke about in terms of the on court stuff

for Jimmy down here. Is Eric Spolster worked with Steve Kerr at the Olympics over the summer? Bama DiBio saw the way he could benefit from being part of an offense that looked a little more like that. They brought some of those principles here, free-flowing offense, shooting a bunch more threes.

Andrew Wiggins and his skill set actually fit within that offensively, potentially better than how Jimmy Butler fits. You're not saying he's a better player. I'm not saying that in a playoff game, when you need guys to go get their own bucket bucket that Jimmy still wouldn't have been the most potent version but if you're building now around Tyler's skill set and Bam at a bio skill set getting someone who can shoot more from distance as opposed to

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