The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Local Hour: Larrañaga With The Dunk

Episode Date: March 19, 2024

Today's Crew: Dan, Stugotz, Greg, Chris, Mike, Tony, Roy. Tony is dressed as Jerry Seinfeld but he looks nothing like him. Dan and Greg preview their upcoming "Pop Off". Tony wants to create a sports media combine after Amin's jump shot and the show wonders how many of them would pass the Presidential fitness test today. Plus, Anthony Edwards' dunk brings back up the debate of dunk vs. throw-in, Greg thinks he can shoot a basketball better than Amin and Dan is still mad at Zach Edey. Then, Pablo Torre joins the show to discuss the NIT, which Greg Cote says is for losers, and Rick Pitino turning down the tournament. Pablo has an idea to save the NIT and Greg has a haiku challenge for this March Madness. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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He's got a little bit of Josh Brolin in him and a hint of mariachi. There's a hint, there's an undercurrent of Mexican in there somewhere, but it's not Jerry Seinfeld. I heard I was Dennis playing Jerry Seinfeld from Always Sunny, that's what the derivative is. Okay, well, Jerry Seinfeld it is not. You can wander the earth, in fact, your punishment today at some point should be to wander the streets and say, who am I?

And see if anyone in Miami correctly guesses that you're meant to look like Jerry Seinfeld because your mustache I think is undoing the entirety of the thing Jerry Seinfeld you can't imagine him with a mustache happy Greg Cody Tuesday to everyone somebody writes in take anything on the show add more Greg Cody and I'm in well you'll be happy with today's show. Yes. So you got my email. We got a pop off with Greg Cody.

He is now calling him, what are you calling yourself as a nickname? The Corn King? The Corn King. Oh boy. Works on several levels. Put it on the poll please at Levitard Show. Can you ever be someone who makes the greatest

popcorn when you're using the microwave? Whoa shots fired that is the best way to make popcorn you know the old-timey skillets who does that I haven't used a skillet for popcorn since my dorm room at FAU in 1978. Jiffy Pop. It's not a skillet, it's gonna be Abuela's Cazuela. It's gonna be, I don't know, what are you coming up with? A skillet from, a skillet? Like a shake and bake is what he's saying, right? Something like that?

Yeah. The methodology. How did your elaboration make me understand less what he was talking about? Like how did your clarification on skillet, like a shake and bake, I don't know what you he was talking about. Like how did your clarification on skillet, like a shake and bake, I don't know what you guys are talking about. Well, shake and bake was like,

it was prepared in a skillet like thing, wasn't it? Like a tin, like a little, wasn't it? No, no, no. Are you thinking a Jiffy Pop? Maybe I am, I have no idea. Shake and bake is not popcorn. Now that would mean- It's like chicken, the delicious chicken.

You're talking about the popcorn that Drew Barrymore was setting up at the start of Scream. Thank you, yes. Yeah, okay. But it's not shaken bake. It is absolutely not shaken bake, but I was trying to piece together whatever. But you know what I'm talking about, right.

Yeah, barely, I got there. But you got me. I do like the concept of baked popcorn. That would be interesting to try. Just for the audience, so that it can truly experience what my Tuesdays are like, a skillet would be damn near impossible to make popcorn in. It would just pop all over the room.

A skillet, I don't believe, has a top. And then Stugatz's helpful correction was how to bake chicken. Yeah. Yeah. That's what we're dealing with. I think skillet's kind of close to a cazuela. It's derivative. It's not.

Okay, I have made- It's closer to a wok than it is a skillet, but I can see how someone would call it a skillet. I don't know how someone would call it a shake and bake, but here we are. I have made popcorn in a skillet. Okay, it's not impossible. What you do is you cover the skillet with tin foil and then poke a

hole in the tin foil to let steam out. Why aren't you doing it that way instead of the microwave? Because it's labor-intensive. Don't you want to win? I intend to win. We'll win. The methodology is not important. What's important is the type of popcorn you use and I use the Cadillac and then the ingredients and you know making sure you don't burn the popcorn, which you can do in a microwave if it's 10 seconds too long. Don't shame Greg Cody.

It's not like we got the Top Chef set out there. We got a hot plate. Today I want you to call me Greg Corny. That's gonna be my name today. We do. Okay. Whatever your long coin came. If that is not Greg Cody's

just general late life career for him to say, you know what, doing it best. See, the lights out of Weez. Doing it best is labor intensive. Why would I want to do anything ever that's labor intensive? The point is, it's like too much effort for no gain back. You know what I mean? Like I can paint my wall with a small one inch wide brush

if I want to, but I would rather use a roller and get it done more efficiently and quicker. So we're not in a race here. I mean, you taking longer to make your popcorn doesn't gain you any points. That kind of thing. Dan thinks the longer it takes, the better the popcorn. I know.

I know, it's weird. Yeah, somebody told him that and he believed it. Low and slow. I would generally say that the most fulfilling things, the things that feel most fulfilling, tend to be difficult, tend to be labor intensive. That's what the reward of fulfillment is. Not sex.

Well, if you're at all interested in someone other than yourself, then yes, sex as well. Seven seconds, boom. If you're only interested in yourself and being Rick Pitino in a restaurant, then yes, but if you're interested in anyone else other than yourself, and I have no proof that anyone in this room ever thinks of anyone other than themselves.

Huh, including you, huh? I have no proof that anyone in this room thinks of anyone other than themselves, but you cannot, Sturgatz, for a second, accuse me of thinking more of myself than you think of yourself. Like, you can't accuse anyone of that. You are- That's totally fair.

Thank you, by the way. We could have a Guinness World book world record record holder person come through here in judge however those things are judged and i don't do i think this would be per square foot on the globe i have more narcissism per square foot on the globe than any place in sports media thank you uh... tony wants to after seeing a means jump shot Mm-hmm. Tony wants to, after seeing Amin's jump shot yesterday, Tony wants to have some sort of sports media

scouting combine. Dan, I was made incredibly sad. I was made sad, and I was telling Mike before the show started, I was made very sad when I saw Amin's jumper. Amin is like a brother to me. I love Amin. We've done a bunch of great stuff together.

When I saw that jumper, I was like, wow, okay, we need to reevaluate what we're doing here. I think Amin's basketball takes are great, but when you have a jumper like that, it puts into question a lot of the things that are happening. I think on social media, there's a lot of people saying, hey look, how can we take Amin seriously

when he's got a jumper that looks like he shoots with his offhand? You've never had one get away from you? Come on, man. Not like that. It's a small sample we're looking at. No, not like that. No, it's not the miss.

The miss is not at all concerning. He hadn't played basketball in a while. You're calibrating, that's fine. The form. Oh, that was heartbreaking to watch. It made me sad, so I thought to myself, you know what? I don't wanna be that guy, but I think we need to put some sort of limit and some sort of test together, right?

You remember the presidential thing in elementary school where you had to make the presidential list, you could do like six pull-ups, you could touch your toes, you could run a mile. There was red and blue patches. Right. Ronald Schwarzenegger's thing. Exactly.

I think we need to do something like that for sports media where if your jumper looks a certain way, you can't really talk about people in the NBA. I'm sorry. I was in a group chat and everybody was talking about Anthony Edwards' dunk last night and he chimed in with an opinion saying, that's not a dunk.

And honestly, I internalize that, like why would I listen to this person? It means less. I don't find you credible anymore. I mean, it wasn't a dunk. It wasn't a dunk. It was a throw in. I didn't even care enough to tell him that I didn't care about his opinion.

That's how bad his shot was. A lot of guys talking about quarterbacks and they can't win in the big time and they're doing this wrong and they can't throw 25 yards in a spiral. Like we need to put together all the people that talk about sports, line them up. Let's see you do certain things. I want to see you shoot a 25 foot jumper. I want to see you throw a 25 yard out pattern. Let's start making people,

let's see who's who in the sports media world. Also, it was a dunk. He cut his hand on the rim, it's a dunk. Can we start, I've got a number of things here. Can we start before we do the scouting combine for sports media people, how well do you think this group, do you think anyone here would pass even the sixth grade presidential challenge?

I'm gonna look up exactly what it is. Because I think it's a lot of pull-ups. Yeah, I did it back in the day. Pull-ups have never been a strength for me. I think that that would be hard for our group. Amin, I also want to ask the audience at Levitard Show, did Amin devalue his takes with that one jump shot?

Because Amin also says that that Anthony Edwards shot last night was not a dunk. He's calling it an aggressive floater. An aggressive floater because he says you gotta hit your hand on the rim, but he did dislocate his finger. I happen to agree with Amin on that. You have to put hand on rim for it to be a dunk.

Otherwise, you're throwing it down. But what did he dislocate his finger on? Was it at the rim? Your bounce back of the ball is where he dislocated his finger. So if you watch him dunk it, the ball goes through the rim, and then it comes back and then hits him in the hand. So it's actually on the throw-in.

He keeps his hand out. The ball hits him, and then that's where he dislocates. He's saying that he threw it through the cylinder before his hand made contact with the rim, therefore it's not a dunk. It looks like a dunk to me. Matter of fact, it looks like the greatest dunk to me. It's either, this is a big wide gulf here on Sports Debate,

is it, was it, alright, put it on the poll at Levitard Show, was it the greatest dunk ever, or was it just an aggressive floater? Because there's a big, there is a big. Greatest drunk ever, not a drunk. There's a big gap there between the two things. Poor John Collins, man. Yeah. If you think what happened to Collins is bad,

wait till you saw what happened to Austin Reeves. We're gonna get to that sound in a second, but I just wanna ask the group here, at the risk of being prisoner of the moment Anthony Edwards is not even 6'5", right? I understand the Dwyane Wade comparisons because at that height I don't think I have ever seen a player who jumps like that He hit his head on the backboard the other day blocking a shot to end the game He's the reason the Timberwolves are going to be great for a long time. The way that he gets up, even Mike Conley, who's got, you know, nearly 20 years in the league, is saying he jumps kind of like a cat where

he keeps going up and then somehow lands on one foot and doesn't hurt himself. I just don't think I've seen anyone that size get that generally high when jumping? He's listed as 6'4", and you're right about Conley because he's seen everyone dunk, everyone in the history of the NBA, so he would know he's an expert, but he's listed as 6'4".

John Morant is the guy that comes to mind. Small guy who jumps very, very high. Yeah, John Morant is even smaller and slighter, but I haven't seen John Morant hit his head on a rim, blocking, you know, making a shot. Well, we haven't seen John Moran hit his head on a rim blocking, you know, making a shot. We haven't seen John Moran, period. That's right. Did you know that Mike Conley Jr. never had a technical foul?

Yeah, we did that as a stat of the day a couple of weeks ago. 17 years, no technical foul. He had one rescinded back in 2014. Incredible. You guys do a good show if you already mentioned that. Stu Gotz here. Did you know that according to FBI property crime data, most home break-ins happen in broad daylight?

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Don Lebatard. We got a freeini Hartaway. Afrini? Who is Afrini Hartaway? I was trying to read fast. UD was on the team. Luke Jackson, Bobby Jones, The Matrix, Sean Marion. Stugats! Zoe, Shaq, Mush Parker, Chris Quinn, D Wade, Jason Williams, they're all right. I mean stacked roster. This is the Don LeBathard Show with the Stugarts. I've got the six different exercises for the presidential fitness challenge.

We've got sit ups, we've got a shuttle run, we've got the V sit reachit reach. We've got one mile run, pull ups, and a right angle push up. But what is the time and number? Because the run was under eight minutes, under seven minutes, under nine minutes. So if we're doing it at the closest age to the exit, which is 17, that's the cutoff for the presidential challenge. A six minute mile, 606 is what you need to run. You need to do 53 53 I can get there

but it'll hold on I'm gonna go the whole way down so sit ups you need to do 55 consecutive sit ups Wow you need to do an 8.7 shuttle run you need to do a 7 inch sit reach you need to do a six minute mile 13 pull-ups and 53 consecutive I can see your face right now I'm not doing No, but you can't do a six minute mile. You're wrong. Okay, you're not gonna shame me. I know, I'm flatly not doing anything. Nobody say they could do all of those things.

Nobody volunteer they can do this. Dan will try to kill you on the air. There is no one here who can run a six minute mile. There's no one here who can do that. I disagree. I think of all of those events, the six minute mile, and I believe it was was 606. I need those extra six seconds I believe that sounded like the most doable of all

Really? I honestly think I could do most of these but the V-sit no shot. No shot I think you guys are underestimating if you have not done any running recently how difficult it would be for you to run Estimating if you have not done any running recently how difficult it would be for you to run Greg we will not ask you to do it just because I would fear for your health running in those boat shoes of yours That's all I brought or else I would if I had my snakes I'd volunteer to do it right now. You couldn't do under 11 minutes. Have a cardiologist running in step with me You couldn't do a mile without stopping. I think I could. If I do 13 pull-ups a hernia will pop out. Greg, how is it that you're this delusional? I thought that I had the world record holder for delusion on my left. How is it that you

don't understand that you're 70, you're near 70 years old? I have an athletic bone in my body. A single one. That's right. Just one This is funny. For example when when Tony was talking I had a silky Jay I'm sure you did I could make a jump shot Back in the day when I played a lot of hoops So I could go on a court right now and I might not I wouldn't be as good. Greg. I'm more of a set shot now than a jump top. That day was the 1920s. No. You know put me on a court right now and and I will out a mean a mean in

terms of my form. I'm with Greg Corny on this one. The Celtics won about 17 titles playing those types of dudes. There you go, that's right. So better than Amin means, because you have to understand that Amin looked like he was having something between a seizure and an epileptic fit with what was happening, just his hand was. Well, it's Ramadan, Dan. That's right, he hadn't eaten anything

and that was because he'd been fasting. But what happened with Amin was seizure adjacent on the hand. It felt a little seizure-y. So for you to say that you would have been better than Amin El-Hassan and his demon, his sprawling gnarled demon hands is not saying much. All I'm saying is that if you watch me take a jump shot after a little bit of a warm-up in fairness after you watch me take a jump shot you nod like a bobblehead and you say to yourself that's a guy who's played. Back in the day when he was younger that's a guy who

would not be the last draft pick in a pickup game. So God yesterday I had some people come after me because a couple of my takes. One of them I was making fun of Zach Eadie and just also basketball in general by saying that Zach Eadie in 1984 would have been drafted before Michael Jordan. And he is, he is funny. Yeah, he's great.

I like this take. No, but Purdue fans are so mad at me for, they're finally good at something, okay. Way to go, Shannon Sharp, taking all number one seeds in both tournaments. But Purdue is good at basketball and they're good at basketball because this guy is bigger and stronger

than everyone else, gets fouled, and it's just, it's not. He's certainly not faster than anyone else. It's unesthetically pleasing and it's unathletically pleasing. Yeah, he's not going to make it to the pros because he's not fleet of foot, but he's a really good college player, a tremendous inside presence with a tremendous size advantage.

I know, but what I don't like watching is him plant himself in the key and then just throw it. He's four feet from the basket. Oh, I love that. I love that with him. Where I don't like it is with Wemba Nyama. Because I can see, oh this guy's a giant? Oh, but he can't move.

So yeah, you go do your thing, because that's usually how big men do it. Yeah, yeah, I'll dominate a six foot four center. But yeah, and the Wemba Nyama's a totally different animal. Why are you bringing up Wemba Nyama? Because normally, because I know I'm exposing a hypocrisy where I'm like all about this big stiff, where I'm like with Wemba Nyama,

I'm like he's way too tall, and he is way too tall. No, but Wemba Nyama is also not physically stiff the way that he is. That's why it's unfair. That's why it's unfair. See, make him like Zach Eady and we're good. Okay, so make him like Zach Eady playing against what looks like student managers. Yes, perfect.

That's great basketball. Just turn yourself in the paint. That is great basketball right there. That is good. Are you guys telling me there is no place in the NBA for Zach Eadie? Yeah, no, maybe the bench. Wow, I bet he's 25 again.

There's no way, dude. No way. Have you watched him? No way. No, that's a dumb question. No, he can't move his feet. No, the footwork isn't there. He can't, he's very slow. He's 25 again. There's no way, dude. No way. Have you watched him? No way. No. That's a dumb question. No, he's just like the footwork isn't there. He's very slow. He's an anchor. He's got anchors.

He should wear air anchors. But great as a shoe dill. Great college player. Has a skill set and dominates his skill set. There's reasons why. Look, there's a reason why he's still in college is because his pro prospects aren't great because of his footwork. But the two takes that people are mad at me on and this is just Purdue fans

Which I did not know that they were this loud and aggressive and I understand it Purdue has not been great at stuff in sports So cradle of basketball right there But they're proud of their basketball and they've got a seven-five person who? Looks like college player of the year for the last couple of years because he's seven-five. And everyone wants one of those when he scores 30 points a game, 20 on foul shots, because he's just got student managers hanging from his armpit hair.

It's just, it is giant in a way that's unusual. But the other take that I'm surprised people are objecting to because I watched it happen all weekend. I know that social media is a toxic dump for bile and hatred, but I'm just not used to seeing Adam Silver criticized this way. And when I look at what hockey is doing right now as a sport in terms of exciting its fan base and what I see basketball is doing comparatively, I

understand how it is that I'm suddenly hearing for what feels like the first time that basketball has a leadership problem because they didn't have one with with David Stern and Adam Silver is and has been one of the most popular commissioners But people are unhappy enough with the sport that they're doing things like blaming Adam Silver for shot clock problems when and pointing out Hey isn't don't you have a don't you have a watch is one of your biggest? Sponsors and you can't get time and refereeing right? I think the biggest concern is everything in sports is up.

It's a booming time for sports. We're in the middle of a live rights Renaissance because sports are drawing crowds, their revenue is up across the board. Everyone is doing well and the only numbers that are of huge concern are the national TV games when it comes to basketball. Why do you think that is though?

Basketball. Why do you think the numbers are down though? I have a couple of theories and I think right now the sport of basketball is kind of where baseball was a couple of years ago in that they found a way to manipulate the current set of rules. The game evolved to a certain point that the rules became outdated and the NBA has gone through this. They've added stuff before and they were usually,

I mean, a couple of decades ago, this was one of those leagues that was considered progressive in terms of innovation. The court is too small. The three-point line is too close. We've lost, I'm not to sound like Bob Ryan, but there is no place for Zach Eaddy in the league anymore because everyone's just bombing away from three.

And you see the type of athletes out there, Wim Boniama is out there and it looks cartoonish on the court that they're playing on. But the revenue is with those courtside seats. So they have to decide something in the way that baseball just massively overhauled its rules and to the better of the game, I think. Football too. Yeah. I think, I think we're at that point and have been for a couple of years with the NBA,

and they need to do something drastic with the rules. I do think too, from a macro view, that it's better for the NBA when the Lakers and the Warriors are really good instead of, you know, Minnesota and Denver. Yeah, the Celtics. But they've been good, they've been relevant enough. I know that the Lakers missed the playoffs, but they're on the West Coast, those stars being on the West Coast, I guess you can, I don't think it's one thing. I hate that argument, by the way.

That regions still matter in the internet age when we're all connected and stuff. I get why you'd want the Knicks to be relevant, you want your big franchises to be great, but don't be afraid to learn something. You just saw what Anthony Edwards did last night there ain't nobody doing that yeah but he did it in Utah yeah but if you're the new if you're the baseball commissioner would you rather have the Yankees be really good or Seattle the Yankees of course you want your marquee teams to be marquee teams but you have that now the Celtics are a marquee team you have the Knicks is

a really good team you have some of those teams you want. Big markets. They're good right now. Right, but the Celtics are, these Celtics are best known for the team that should win but doesn't. I hate it. I just hate it. Like that's what you need. You need four big market teams to make your sport relevant when your sport has been relevant for the last 40 years. Without much of their help. I imagine it can help. I don't think it's one big thing. It's just a couple of years ago, this was a global sport positioned as good as anyone except for maybe soccer. It was the number two global sport on the planet. And in its home country, we're on a downward trajectory. And I really think, and it's not just regular season,

because regular season's trash, and the star players don't care about it. They've proven that. They've tried to take steps there to correct it. We're still not at a place, we're still looking at a postseason where we don't trust any of the top teams because no one's respecting this regular season.

There's a lot of problems facing this sport, and not enough is being done about it. When every other sport, including like women's basketball women's pro basketball Doesn't have the problems that the the men's pro game does there It's screaming at you these numbers are really troubling and they're not doing really enough You also have the game's biggest star. Sorry, Greg They're old LeBron Steph Curry Kevin Durant Those guys are still the biggest stars in the league and the best player in the league is not

Aesthetically pleasing his game is not Nikola Jokic. It's not and he seems like he's bored playing his eyes. I hate I Mean Dan, he's your best player. He represents Watching him play but I've got the solution just like football solution is always more games and But I've got the solution just like football solution is always more games and baseball somehow the commissioner of baseball got everything wrong Except for he fixed baseball and so he's gonna Be able to be okay And here's Adam Silver's solution per the athletic the NBA is infusing betting into live games on NBA League pass The league and sports radar a global data company are rolling out a new option for league pass viewers to be able to track betting odds on NBA Games as they watch them on the app and then offer the ability to click through to wager through the NBA's betting partners fan duel and

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Shecky Green? Man, I went comedically there with the funny name of a comedian. That's on you for not knowing who Shecky Green is who shecky green you don't have to know shecky green is but i like it no no i don't like my allies in the borscht belt still got some i have the soul of a borscht belt comedian i should be in the cat skills in nineteen forty five opening for shecky green that's why i was destined to be this is the down Lebatar Show with the Stugats. Greg Cody is saying that the NIT is for losers. Yes. All of the non-NCWA tournament

things are. You know, the basketball invitational tournament. There's a new one, the women's BIT, I think it's called. Look, if you're throwing a parade to celebrate winning the NIT championship, there's no bigger loser in sports than that. There's 68 teams. If you're not one of the 68 teams, put away your sneakers sneakers take the offseason off You don't need to continue to be playing just to say you're playing I love it when you you read about all these teams now that are turning down the innate And I T because what is the point you love that it's a weird thing to love. I do I think it's right You know, you got to draw the line somewhere, you know

You see all these sub-500 teams getting in the playoffs in the postseason for what? You know, draw the line somewhere. Not everybody needs a medal after the season. In the women's game, the WBIT has actually supplanted the women's NIT as the second best of the tournaments that you can get into. I did not know this, but the NCAA actually pays for you to host the WBIT, whereas if you accept an NIT invitation, you have to pay out of your own pocket to run those games, which is why the WBIT supplanted. All that being said, Miami earned a number one seed

in that WBIT and still decided, no, we're not doing it. And I would love to know why, because I think it seems a reason that they're just raw by being screwed over by the committee. Right, and they were. But if you're not, you know, 68 teams is enough. I think all these other tournaments just dilute the sport. I'm just against them.

You okay? He's having trouble with just finishing thoughts without running out of breath today. I'm wondering the last time an NIT champion actually held a parade. There are no parades for NIT champions. We'll get to Pablo Torre here in a second, but let's just hear from Tom Kreen. He does not agree with Greg Cody at all. There's no question about it. I would want to coach. I would want to develop my team. You've got bigger staffs than you've ever had.

There's plenty of time for the portal. There's plenty of time to talk to recruits. There's plenty of time to negotiate NIL deals. There's not plenty of time to play. There's not plenty of time to get your players on the floor and give them a chance to get better. There's not plenty of time for guys to continue to play that may never get to play again. And that to me is absolutely ridiculous. It's each coach's choice. I get it, but if you take away a chance to play the games, to put your team on the floor, let them opt out. All right, the bowl season has it all the time. Let it happen. Who cares? Give your players and coaches a

chance to keep coaching and playing and don't shortchange. If a guy doesn't want to play, go sit down. If a coach doesn't want to coach, go recruit. But there's got to be enough people to put five, six, seven people on the floor and go play. Makes absolutely zero sense to me. I'm pretty sure that in 2018 or 2017, the NIT was supposed to be in Indiana and Tom Crenshaw said, I don't want to hear. Wait a second. Yeah, no, that went by really well.

Some added context, the administration declined the invitation and fired Tom Kreen the very next day. Pablo, context, I would have done without you, I liked it my way better. Context, you're fairer with the context. The internet liked it better Dan's way. I like this to stay a little bit are and i think that in my way to have low are your thoughts public or he finds out uh... is a podcast i continue to tell you is climbing up the charts because it's doing something

different than anyone else is doing uh... your thoughts on the n i t champion being the best of all the losers yeah i i want to like the NIT as a TV show and I think the NIT has a brand problem. I think Greg, like arguing with America, America embodied by Greg, is a tough task because yeah, how is it framed? If you're not one of the 68 best teams,

then you're doing this other thing. And so the question is, how does the NIT revitalize itself? How would you retell the story of what it is? And I think you gotta lean all the way in the question is, how does the NIT revitalize itself? How would you retell the story of what it is? And then you got to lean all the way in the other direction, right? Can't you like premise this on? Look, Rick Pitino, the man that I think about in these times, is somebody who I want to see on a sideline wearing an all white suit,

being mad at everything, and possibly having Trump operatives carry out legal grievances to reporters quietly. Just random note, no context there. The point is though, why can't he do that in a reality show style setting in which he is given something like an advertising opportunity? Why is the NIT trying to be like the NCAA tournament but worse? Can't it be something else? Can we rebrand it? Can we tell that story a little differently so that it's actually interesting to viewers? That's the opportunity here. America wants to watch live college basketball. And so here's this other tournament. Why aren't they wanting to do it? How can we, how would you guys save it? I think that's the, that's the question

in front of us. How do you save the NIT by rebranding it? I don't think you can save it. It's a second place tournament. It's a fight for who's the 66 best team in the it. It's a second place tournament. It's a fight for who's the 66 best team in the country What is saving it? It's just more games just more gambling options. Like what do you do? That's why it exists It's just more action. Like what what are you guys being so precious about here? Like it's simply giving you the opportunity to have more action on games that you don't care about because you're just betting on numbers and uniforms I'm just saying I fully understand why teams that are left out of the NCAA tournament have their pride and turn down the lower NIT. I get that.

Okay and you guys you guys really are being precious and puritanical about some of this stuff where all of it has to be about sports integrity instead of just entertainment. Can it be made forv like for example pablo the glory days and tell me you guys wouldn't like to see this now in football this a bygone age right here i'm gonna put up for you something on the old-timey television show that used to be the nfl's fastest man competition losers sent to

it's a fair start but Herschel Walker is first on the block, but here comes Daryl Green with that long, smooth, powerful stride. Daryl Green wins it. He's yet to be beaten here. It's a fair start and Rod Woodson is out very well. Will Galt will have to go if he's going to catch him. He's not going to catch him. Rod Woodson wins it.

He moves into the... Rod Woodson, because Daryl Green has won each and every race and gotten faster with each run. Set. It's a clean start and Dale Green is out of the box like a shot. At 30 yards he starts to accelerate and it's that long, smooth, fluid stride that powers Dale Green to victory. He is the Subaru NFL's fastest... Look at the smile on Roy's face.

Ahmad Rashad. That's right. Ahmad Rashad. Yes. Brings you back to a time, Roy. Look at how happy all of you are. Look at the Subaru World's Fastest Man Competition. I like it.

Herschel Walker should not be that fast for how big he was. He was three times bigger than Daryl Green. I think D.K. Metcalf would be that kind of fast if he was doing that right now. You could bring that back. Tyree Kill's watching that going, I want that, bring it back. That's what I was saying.

Everyone back here said Jack. How do we all know you're a bit better than you do? You can bring that back. Say the thing. I like to be inconsistent. I like to surprise you. Jack? Oh, there you go.

That kind of thing. That's my corn cane. I'm Jack. Oh, there you go. That kind of thing. That's my corn cane. You sound wheezy today in a way. Are you okay with your not finishing thoughts? It doesn't seem like you have the stamina

to have the wind to complete sentences. I appreciate that. While saying you run a six minute mile, by the way. Well, you know what? With a little training I could. Listening to Greg Wheees has given me a solution to save the NIT. You're welcome. Okay, tell me you wouldn't watch the NIT if every team had to have its head coach play on the floor with them.

What's wrong with the NIT? It doesn't need any saving. I'm intrigued though. I mean, you want Rick Patino out there? Yeah, I'd watch. I'm telling you Dan, hey there's a game on right now. It's St. John's versus whoever the whoever the f*** else. And guess who's playing point guard? Rick Patino, age 66. You're not watching that immediately? I am. Laren Yeaga with the dunk. By the way, Greg Cody trying to bring back old things. Listen to this. This is one of, it's an idea he's had for many years. He's done it for many years and it's a terrible idea. It's the Haiku Challenge about March Madness. Yes. And the the haiku challenge what's the syllable

count on haikus 575 and five yeah it's 17 generally 575 all right so the syllable count is three three thoughts or phrases the first five syllables the second seven syllables the third five syllables and Greg Cody as an example as a helpful example to his listeners and readers, writes in, Vital smiles a mile, Billus masters the bracket, Laranjaga weeps. That's a haiku.

So good. Bring it, yeah. Beat that, beat that. Beat that. Haiku in it. He has been trying to resurrect the haiku for about 15 years unsuccessfully. Yeah, back when I did a blog for the Miami Herald, I had an annual haiku challenge, and it would get 40 or 50 entries, usually the same people entering 20 times, two guys

entering 20 times each, but some of them were pretty fun. You know, it's a good challenge, actually, because I think it's the form of poetry that requires you to be the most succinct, obviously. And do you rhyme? Does rhyming matter? You know, people come into a haiku from all different angles, so I enjoy it. Jack.

Wow. Haikus at the NIT really catering to a younger audience yeah like Greg's I get Greg's poetry power rankings his final four of poetry forms because there are other kinds and Greg is clearly just seized upon the high coup oh I think he's a champion you that okay what is in brevity though nothing beats the high coup right like I know Ihammed ali back when he was still catches clay i think famously had a two-word poem which was yes

me we need so that's probably the shortest poem on record but they should i think it does the point in sign for this sign up for the deal with that and i think that's true whether it was a really me or me wee but it is on record as the shortest poem ever written. Yeah Greg here's some sound of you wheezing Cody's just general late Sounds like a car trying to start like a really bad car engine

Generally Cody's just general late Cody's just general late Cody's just generally Really turning that key you're like come on, baby one more time. It's it's an old. Just it's an old car It's a student banker Cody's just general late. He'll it feels like the underworld trying to communicate with you Pablo quickly Pablo Tory finds out want to people be looking for yes so all sports media these days is a debate tournament everybody thinks they're the best nick right march nemesis now thinks he's the best even a will kane all these people

today's guest on public or if i'm doubt is the actual best debater in sports any just happens to be the guy who's also taking down the NCAA and so that is the guest, that is the story, that is the man that you should hear from even though he looks down upon all the gasp bags to think, you know, they're better than he is. The master debater. What would be the odds on a master debater making

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