The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Local Hour: LeBron James Cost Dwyane Wade His Proper Legacy

Episode Date: November 8, 2023

David Samson is here for his Wednesday Local Hour to discuss the concept of the lucky $2 bill, Greg Cote being a great dad, Peter Bendix joining the Marlins, Craig Counsell joining the Cubs, Brian Cashman, and Steve Cohen. Then, LeBron James fired off some hilarious tweets last night that reignites our decade-long argument about LeBron, Heat Culture, and Dwyane Wade's legacy. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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very feverishly googling how do i know what my two dollar bill is worth uh... which i responded to dollars but uh... somebody evidently uh... tweeted him that if you have a certain $2 bill, it's worth $45,000 or something. And so now he's playing Lotto with his wallet and his cash, where he feels like he's just opening Lotto tickets. And he's asking me questions like, how do you know what year your $2 bill was made?

And I don't know the answer to that question. Well, yesterday you had a $2 bill. You put I don't know the answer to that question. Well yesterday you had a $2 bill. You put it in the fine bucket. I suggest someone get that $2 bill because it could be worth up to $45,000. Based on the year, the serial number, the color of the serial number. And so I am right now checking out my $2 bill

to see how much it's worth. Where are you guys getting $2 bills from? Like why do you both have $2 bills this week? Clemson away games? I was given change for something, and I was surprised to see that these were still wandering around in currency. I'm surprised that anybody has cash of any sort. Samson, you could catch him on nothing personal.

If you want something before we start our day, he is live every morning with nothing personal at 8 a.m. uh... do you know anything about two dollar bills oh look david samson also has a two dollar bill not min condition though i mean no i do have some in min condition but the one i carry is just my lucky two dollar bill but this there's no way this is worth 45k. I actually suggest this may be worth a dollar 20. Why is it your lucky two dollar bill? Because it was given to me at a moment when something good had happened, so I carry it

with me in my money clip at all times. Has it proven to indeed be lucky? It's hard to tell. what's the good thing that happened stadium no it's not that all no this is more recent right this is a far more recent although this two dollar bill looks very warned to me does it when you say mint condition it can have no wrinkles of any kind

it's not supposed it's really based more on the year that the bill was issued in terms of the values. It's not a baseball card. I think it can be a little crinkly. They prefer it in mint condition. I'm on uscurrency.com. Okay. We will get to David Samson in a second. Can you help me though, Chris Cody, with something and perhaps you can help Jessica and Lucy with this because there are some complaints, some complaints I've gotten since yesterday that your father very casually mentioned what his strike three call was when he was the empire and you were kids and we glossed over it yesterday

because it's been subject matter that we have covered before around here, but Jessica and Lucy and some others might be new to the proceeding. So do you want to explain to them your father's strikeout call when he was an empire? Back in the day, me and my dad would go out front and I throw pitches he'd catch a great dad my dad is and was so he would be strike one strike two

and on strike three he would go he hall three that's the correct response Lucy is and was that's great and in the middle of the street and Chris hated it as a child. He didn't. He loved it. Yeah. The time is very. At the time it was not. I think he used to throw it up. But if he had three, but if I don't know what, I don't that's just what I remember. It was I just remember you being made your outrage, right? Because you didn't want to be striking out to begin with. But then to hear your father's echoing weirdness down your street is no fun. Embarrassing. So there's like eight year olds going to their teeth all game and they see your dad

and they're like, God, this assholes on fire. They think that is the strikeout call of other umpires, not just him. They learned baseball through that umpire and think that that's how the third strike is called. Samson, did you ever have any issues with a look at me umpire that wasn't related to judgment that was related to ego joe west is the number one cat was always about joe west when you had him angel Hernandez you just know where cb buckner you know you're not going to get a

good uh... well-empowered game and you're gonna get screwed but you assume that both teams will get screwed equally joe west was the kind of umpire where you just knew you sat there and just watched him. Watched his antics and we would tell our players beforehand. We would put a list on the board of who the umpires were for that series. And we would tell the players which umpires just don't deal with. And Joe West was one of them. Don't give him a platform.

Hey, it turns out my $2 bill and this is a true coincidence so stew gots it's from two thousand three ooo that's a good year i think he all three so is that is that a winner it certainly is a winner for marlins and fans in me but is is that the winner for the two dollars uh... two thousand and three it looks like those one sold for twenty four. Yeah, one sold for 2400 box, David. I'm serious. Not in that condition, though. Yeah.

Yeah, it's be a great 10. Why are you raising your hand, Samson? No, I'm just trying to see, I was thinking about after the show because it's so early right now. I've plenty of time. I was going to try to iron it or try to flatten it or try to restore it because if this is worth twenty five hundred dollars it is certainly worth a thousand dollars of effort restoration

do you imagine that there are people in our audience that don't know that there is such a thing as a two dollar bill they're half the right if you're not dealing if you're not dealing with cash at all i'm guessing that there are many people know many people in our audience that don't know that there is even a $2 bill or have never seen a $2 bill I think that Samson you're looking at me as if I'm strange, but I remember that to time be a $2 bill I was shocked when I got it weird when the first time I saw one so I got to imagine that there are people in our audience who Don't carry cash at all and just don't think there's such a thing as a two dollar bill

put on the poll judo at levitard show uh... are you aware that there is a two dollar bill aren't you curious now though because you put what you gave one away yesterday that might be worth forty five hundred dollars i i'm going to get it at forty five thousand uh... i mean it could go up to 45,000 if you have a rare one, an old one, but yours is sold for $4,500. I'm really, I'm on a mistake.

I'm on UScurrency auctions.com. I mean, check it out. That is the move to tell you to check it out. I'm there, I got charts, I got graphs. I got to show moves on. It is a great move. I can't dispute it. Can you help me, Samson, with the general manager meetings that are going on right

now the marlin's have a new president david samson told us at the time that came and was a i walk higher is what he called it uh... because he said they weren't gonna actually give her power and she is since left the marlins at least in part because it would seem that she didn't get the kind of power that she wanted to actually have jurisdiction over the organization what do you make of the marlins

new management team he is very well thought of in the industry he is a young hot shot he is extremely analytically based he worked for a team that we always wanted to emulate and bruscherman just came out and, we want to be like the rays. We want to win at a low payroll, because that's the best way to do it. And that's by necessity. He's never been a number one, so there's always adjustment. There's always a question, will he be able to manage people, which is a big part of running a baseball organization?

But there's no doubt of his baseball acumen. The question is, will it translate as the president of baseball operations? And the other question is, what was promised to him in terms of dollars spent off the field? I'm not as focused at all on the payroll, the major league payroll. I'm focused on the infrastructure because what Jeter did was spend money on moving the home run sculpture. And I'm building academies in the Dominican. The question is and I'm changing things that were just a waste. I'm wondering whether or not Sherman will invest money and I suspect he will in infrastructure on the baseball operation side and that is critical for Peter because that's what he's good at. You say that it's

important to be good with people. Do you think that your employees would say that you were good with people? Yes, I do, actually. There's a big misconception in terms of what you think I was like running the team for a few years. I asked you a question. I didn't come, I just asked you a question asking you about what your self-awareness was or wasn't there. When you say it's an important thing to deal with people because you're also the one last week who told us that you were

laughing when you had fired one manager and another manager was passing the new manager was passing him in the hallway and i would say that that the original fired manager might say that if you were laughing at that you're not great with people oh i don't think those are mutually exclusive at all i think you can be good with people and just be honest. And Joe Gerardi, you're talking about Joe Gerardi, he knew exactly where I stood. It did not come as a surprise when he got fired. Say what you will. He knew very well that he was being let go because he knows the way he acted from minute one that he was hired. So I think that people just want to know where they stand. When you manage people people like even at metal arc they just want to know what's happening

what's my bonus gonna be what's my airtime gonna be what are we doing as long as you're honest you can laugh uh... david were you surprised at all the correct counsel chose the cubs over the mets i can't believe the cubs gave me a million bucks a year uh... that is the disson Watson of managerial contracts. No manager will get to that number because the owners will make sure that no manager gets to that number.

And Craig Council said that he did it for everybody else. I love that. That's so nice of him. I did it to raise the level of all managerial numbers and make sure that they get paid the way GM's got paid. Took one for the C. He underestimated what Milwaukee, Milwaukee can be very mean to you if you cross them. And he crossed all of Milwaukee, he's done there.

He is, they are, he's dead to them, which is unreal because he was their hero. And he could have gone anywhere and he would have been fine. But he chose the one team that he could have even gone to white socks you can't go to the cubs so just to be clear you're saying he's dead to kinocia and therefore he shouldn't take the eight million dollars a year because he is now dead to kinocia was constant i'm all in it by the way don't yuck on kinocia was constant if you've never been there kinocia's awesome no it's not Give me a little recene, give me a little wawa, tosa. I'm in.

We give it to son. I mean, how about that? We have on our screen, we have the world's laziest graffiti artist over the Craig Council Little League field in Whitefish Bay. Somebody has just written the word ass over the name of Craig Camp. Council, what is the maximum worth of a major league manager according to David Samson's top salary?

A decent fourth outfielder? Give me a number. Three million bucks at the height. But you can really bring in managers that a million, million and a half, and you're gonna be just fine. You thought he was gonna end up with the Mets. You said he was gonna end up with the Mets.

I cannot believe that Steve Cohn did not match that, and that is what everyone is saying that he was unwilling to go to eight million a year to get Craig Council. I can't believe the Met's pivoted to Mendoza, the Yankees Benchcoach. That is a very risky hire by David Sterns. It sort of reminds me of the AJ Preller San Diego hires where they kept hiring first time guys and it just doesn't work with a payroll like that.

And so I'm just shocked by all of it. Craig Council and David Sternsworth very well together in milwaukee but it turns out and this is where it got strange for me he didn't ever want to leave that area he has kids in high school and the irony is now those kids my kids got crushed for the cliff-foyed trade when we traded cliff-floid my little kids got made fun of its school which was

not nice and they were young now he's got kids in school, and he's not the most popular guy anymore. So I think the point of what he was doing is now lost, though they are rich. If the Mets are rebuilding the way that Max Scherzer and Justin Verlander like let us to believe they were told, is hiring the first year manager the worst thing? Because are you going to get an established manager who's not going to really want to be part of all that losing billy if the meds are rebuilding

then i will be absolutely shocked is it counted rebuilding if you have a two hundred million dollar payroll it's inefficient spending it can't be rebuilding that's not allowed to be rebuilding i agree if you're going to rebuild give me fifteen million dollars as a payroll two thousand six that's not allowed to be rebuilding i agree if you're going to rebuild give me fifteen million dollars as a payroll two thousand six that's a rebuild i don't think you're two hundred two hundred million dollar payroll top five

payroll is rebuilding i don't give him that excuse or that leeway control a t-racks at the Ontario science center dinos in motion are new interactive exhibition let's you get up close with life-size metal dinosaur sculptures made of recycled materials. Grab a lever, pulley, or remote control to make massive dinos move. Explore biomechanics, robotics, kinetics, and more as you dig into the fascinating science behind these prehistoric creations. Book your visit to Dinos in motion today at Ontario Science Center.ca. Don Lebertard. Oh, I like firing people. So I take the opportunity to fire whenever I possibly can

because I can use it as a learning experience for them and try to help them out and try to point out what they did wrong. But in this case, the employee was enough levels below where I was that I did not do the firing, but I had it done within moments of discovery. I'm just like firing people. It's absurd. It's absurd. Stugats. I'm talking about people who I fire, who deserve it,

who have done something that actively requires me to fire them. It is my unadulterated pleasure to do so. This is the Don Lebatarsho with Estougat. Let's play for David Samson, the sound of long time, General Manager of the Yankees Brian Cashman, I believe. He's got to be, if not the longest, 10-year GM. He must be,, I believe he's got to be if not the longest ten year GM He must be right because he's been in that job forever and he didn't like some of the questions all New York media

You know Joel Sherman is somewhere in this scrum asking the difficult questions all New York media is peppering cashman here Listen to this back and forth But is there anything that needs to change and will change on the process side? Oh, we're always looking to improve on process. So last year, like last year, everybody thought that, well, first and foremost on the island, I want to make sure, you know, and I think it's been put out there. So people talk about we're analytically driven, right? Do you know where the least large, we have the smallest analytics department in the American lighies? the least large we have the smallest analytics department in the American ligues. Is that a shocker to you guys? We have the largest

post-getting department in all baseball. Is that a shocker to you? To everybody? Shouldn't be, but no one's doing their deep dives. They're just throwing ammunition and bullsh** and accusing us of being run analytically. Analytics is an important spoken our wheel, but it should be in everybody's will, and it really is an important spoken every operation that's having success. There's not one team that's not using it,

or we're no different. But to be said, we're guided by analytics as a driver. It's a lie, but that's what people wanna say. I know I can't change that narrative, all I can continue to do is say, bulls**t, not true. But I will guarantee it's important and we utilize it along with our proscaiting opinions, along with our amateur scouting opinions.

And yes, sometimes we do better than, and sometimes we do worse with some of our decisions. Sometimes they don't work out, but that's also part of the process. And we've had obviously our fair share in the more recent two seasons that haven't worked out, you know, some of it because of injuries. But I'm not sure that's the best sound from that back and forth with Cashman. We'll see if we can find better sound. But that as a rejection is funny because how can you not enjoy David? How can you not enjoy the leader of the Yankees? A man actually named Cashman. For that person to actually named cashman for that person to say I'm upset that you would say I'm guided by information we are not guided by information data and analytics

is not something that guides us we prefer a lack of information my guy we led nothing personal with that just this morning and our word of the day was describing what he sounded like. What is the word that comes to mind listening to that sound bite of Bryant Cashman at the GM meetings. Defensive to me. Very defensive. We use the word today indignant. There is something going on there because Halstein-Renner did an entire interview talking about he and judge decided what they were doing and whether or not Aaron Boone was staying and Nick swisher and Andy Pettit. The Yankees are an absolute mess. Happy birthday, Jean Carlo, by the way,

it turns 34 today if you can believe that. But the Yankees are a total mess. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Happy birthday. Oh. So, him. I don't care. Good luck. Go ahead, I'm sorry. It's so hard to see when you're pressing those great buttons you have. Yes, so the Yankees are in trouble.

If you're a Yankee fan, you want to be concerned. Cashman looks like he's done. And he has been defensive in Dingnan and making excuses and at that kind of payroll The fact that they have not done more winning they do have a problem and he said something that you didn't have in your sound Which is the best part when he was giving examples of players who didn't make it in New York the carl pivanos of the world Joey Gallo sonny gray, etc. And he was pointing out how good those players were elsewhere. As an example of, hey, they just couldn't play New York. And I think that is absolute whoresocki.

Billy yesterday was lamenting. He was longing for a time. And I don't know what year this would have been. But he was lamenting that the gold glove awards were given out quietly. That no longer is it a big deal when somebody wins a defensive award in baseball? I make the argument that the award in general has been cheapened all across celebration.

I just don't understand why they're doing it on a Sunday night during football season. Like, why can't we wait until Tuesday to do it when there's not? I don't think there was even any NBA games yesterday. Like Tuesday would have been a perfect day to give out those awards. It's election day. That's why there were no NBA games yesterday. Adam Silver one everyone is much bigger than election day. It's a lot of action. The right, the action does not respect the, it does not respect the, the election process. I think it's great that he brings attention to election day.

I thought actually the gold gloves were being given out at a dinner Friday night in New York. I thought they did it live as a whole McGillah. It turns out that that's just a dinner celebrating who already won because they don't, I guess, want to bring in all the finalists. They just want to bring in the winners. But I think you can make a bigger deal of it because it's really cool.

Have you ever seen a gold glove in person? They actually give you a gold glove and then you can use in the field the next year. Your Rawlings insignia is gold, which is pretty cool as well. Actual gold, like 18 karat gold, 24 karat gold, actual gold. I'm gonna say it's gold plated with the worth of my two thousand

three two dollar bill no it is not actual gold two gots he's i can picture him go into clubhouse now and stealing everybody's gloves and melting them for parts give me ideas david uh... did you ever care about the golden glove award in like back in the eighties and ever the gold glove award i cared about it. Even when Ozzy was winning it every year Who cares who the best fielder is at every position? Honestly, like it's 50 grand So players had bonuses so I hated the gold glove because they got 50 grand bonus

Gold glove bonus and then they could use it in arbitration as a special accomplishment And so what the union does is they come up with all these new accomplishments you know offensive player of the year in the in the american league or whatever they do and then they can use that so as as presidents and gm's we would get together and try to have fewer awards not more stewats turn the gold glove into a delicious buffet i did golden corral four. Stu got to turn the gold glove into a delicious buffet. I did. Golden Corral.

Put it on the pole. Golden glove. At Lebed Tar Show. Golden Corral, yes or no, just yes or no on golden Corral. Steve Cohen, you mentioned him. What is he thinking about spending eight billion dollars on? Oh, I don't think he's going to write a check for eight billion, but for all the Metz fans out there, can now go to city field and you can there I think the guitar hotel from Florida They're doing a hard rock hotel and casino They're building all of this development where the chop shops currently are and for 8 billion dollars This big announcement was made with green space and you can gamble and eat before and after games and outdoor activities and music venues and He forgot to mention one thing in the

announcement Who's funding it and whether or not it's been approved and here's a little bit of news for you They have no funding plan and they have zero approvals There is a decent chance that 28.6% of your audience will be dead before that $8 billion park opens at City Field. We are headed there, though, right? Correct where all of these economies around these fields are surrounded by gambling money amusement parks. Take a look at where you are but yes

are you wondering whether or not gambling companies are running the world i think it's fairly obvious where the revenue is and that's because give the people what they want and what you're seeing hard rock what they're doing they just start in florida there's now uh... betting on your phone in florida through the seminal's and that this is not hundreds of millions of dollars, this is billions of dollars. What's the movie you're reviewing for us today?

I watched a documentary called The Lost Weekend, the other day, a love story. Did anyone watch that about John Lennon and his personal assistant? No. Do you know the story? No. This is gonna fall flat then if you're I'm

not a huge Beatles fan I always thought John Lennon was just about Yokohono I didn't realize that Yokohono during a trouble time in their marriage said to the assistant of John Lennon and Yokohono do me a favor and have sex with John Lennon so I can control who he's cheating on me with. And it turns out that's all fine and dandy until they fell in love. And so John Lennon is assistant fell in love when they were only supposed to be falling in sex. And then Yoko turned around and said, okay, that's enough. Stop.

And she said, oh, no, I don't want to stop. I'm in love. And he said, all right, I guess I have to stop because you're my wife, but I really don't want to stop. I'm in love. And he said, all right, I guess I have to stop because you're my wife, but I really don't want to stop. And there's this amazing footage that is unseen. And there's been a lot of unseen Beatles footage recently. And the timing, of course, is a new release by the Beatles and everything they're trying to do

to continue to monetize it. But it was fascinating. You don't have to be a Beatles fan to enjoy that documentary. We just had come out right there last song allegedly something that you'll go found around the house or something where the Beatles have not the last song well okay but that's not the last song but that's being billed is more so it's being billed is the last song it this one found in you goes garage until they want to take another vacation. It's the last song.

Samson will talk to you again next week. Thank you, sir. David Samson, nothing personal. I will tell you again at eight o'clock every morning. He goes through the terrain. If you want to get caught up quickly on a lot of different sports subject matter, nothing personal 8 a.m. every morning. They have found for me to got the more contentious, uh, cashman clip. Chris Cody, how do you feel about this? We're going to play it next, but how do you feel about the cashman clip? I feel good, and I think it's Joel Sherman that he's going back and forth. Is it the right one this time? Yes, okay.

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clearly, and those closest to you. Edward Jones, we do money differently. Visit Edward Jones dot CA slash different. Don Lebertard. If I'm at the house with them and they're all rooting, I could just be like, yeah, rah, rah, rah, go Yankees. Still gots. You know, unsettling would be if I attended a live sporting event and someone behind me was just going RAAAARAAA! RAAAARAAA! RAAARAAA! RAAARAAA! This is the Dan Lebertar show with this Stugats! I think that we aired yesterday in just sort of taking for granted that LeBron at 21 years in oldest player in the league is presently doing what would be the cream abdool, jibar, rocking chair tour, if we thought this was actually LeBron's last year, if we thought

that this was in any way goodbye. I'm not certain we're close. I'm not sure how close we are either But one of the things that happened in that Lakers game and I wanted to talk to you about this because last five minutes That game were awful that he'd have the worst defense the worst net rating in the fourth quarter of any team in the league It's like below San Antonio and Washington. They're just terrible No one scored in the final three minutes of that game. Right. And there were a lot of open shots and he could have very easily lost on an open shot. LeBron passed the ball to, you know, an open shooter as he does at the end of games

and it was missed. But a lot of people after that game, because of the foul calls, because of the lack of foul calls, because LeBron is a complainer and everyone knows that he's a complainer a Lot of people were talking about the last two minutes of that game the officiating the league office puts out There were no mistakes made with officiating in the last two minutes and The part that I wanted to ask you guys about because I believe most people are very very good only at demanding accountability of others. LeBron failed at the end of that game. He's going to believe that there are reasons for that failure that aren't him. And my question to you is, while we like accountability all the

time in sports, do you believe that we have an environment here of accountability or do you believe that you have many friends that you believe to be accountable? I don't think it's human nature to be accountable. I think human nature is to try and cover your tracks and cover up that you've gotten something wrong. If any of us were failing at work, we'd like explanations that weren't, hey, I'm shitty at work. We want things that undermine us, things that derailed us. If we lost at the end of a basketball game and we thought we were fouled,

I'm not sure how many people are just gonna shut up about that. And so I'm just asking you as accountability, when you think of accountability, is it something that you think we have in our daily lives around here? Cause I don't feel like it's in my daily life in the people that I encounter I'm not just talking about here. I'm just talking about anywhere. I think most people get defensive I think most people want to explain away their failures and the reason that they failed isn't them

Like how often do you just raise your hand and say I'm shitty like I how much how much trouble do we have around here with just I'm sorry I feel like I say that I say I'm sorry a lot. Like if I bump into someone out in the street, like even if it wasn't my fault, my just natural thing is to be like sorry. Right. That's different though. You thrive in the Midwest. I go with the, oh, sorry.

Let me squeeze right past you. I think most people say I'm sorry if they bumped into and someone unless you're a testosterone filled meat head at a bar and you've run into another testosterone filled meat head at a bar Then you just fight now. Yeah, of course then you start arguing the bunch of bounces have to drag you out And you posture in your male and your nitty, but there's a big difference between just I'm sorry for something and I'm shitty at what I do So that I agree no one's to say that Dan you went a manual acho on me. I just want to call him a loser. I come on what are you doing? Like, don't win the argument and lose a person.

What are you talking about, dude? Like, can we talk about his tweet? Come on. That's the one that he'd be the same player if he hadn't been in Miami, except for perhaps a few champion. Yeah, that's the one. The one that made me laugh, like the second second sentence into it where LeBron was like, he at first said glowing things and we responded in kind yesterday, but then more stuff trickled out about what he said to the media. And here's a tweet, because Legion Hoops posted aggregated in Anthony Chang quote, LeBron says he'd still be his dominant dominant if he never went to the Miami Heat. And LeBron says, you're damn right.

I would still be. I'm chosen. That's in all caps. Ain't nothing changing that. Maybe less rings, but dominant from start to finish. Well, dominance is also rings in that sport. That's him actually giving the heat credit there. Yeah, but he's saying maybe less rings, right?

I mean, he's acknowledging that. I get what he's saying there to Pat. I do, I actually think. Because he has been dominant his entire crew putting up crazy numbers, but it's just a bad look. Like, I get what he's saying. He capitalized chosen and dominant. I'm not giving him humility points

for maybe giving the heat credit here. And like, give it the heat or a part of his legacy. And the heat built culture, they have that in the paint, in part because they have that in the paint in part because they have two titles because of LeBron's contributions. They also have one less title

because of LeBron's lack of contribution. JJ Berea. Yes. Yeah, I mean, LeBron gets to do the legacy talk and I understand, he's, he's, but they wouldn't have been in that final without LeBron. Exactly.

You can't say LeBron costs them the, ah, ah, Michael Donner's second. You see, that's where you lose me. You can't say LeBron costs them the, ahhh, ahhh, ahhh. Michael Donner's second. See, that's where you lose me. All right, so let's play out the summer again. LeBron goes to another team, or he stays with Cleveland. Where does LeBron go? Maybe New York?

Maybe Chicago? Fine. You have prime D-Wade. Well, you don't know that for sure. You do know that because Bosch and D-Wade already signed up for the Miami Heat that you don't want to believe their quotes fine Chris Bosch told us directly he was coming here anyway and the Wayne Wade and Chris Bosch while they had an inkling that LeBron would come here

weren't sure when he did that so you have prime Chris Bosch and prime D Wade. Dwayne Wade was the best and I'm sorry Kobe stands he was the best shooting guard in the league at the time. He was the best player on that Olympic team. You mean to tell me if LeBron James goes away to another team, the Celtics aren't there to stop him. The Miami Heat aren't there to stop him because Wayne Wade was the best player in that NBA finals that they lost. The Wayne Wade's legacy took a hit because LeBron couldn't come through in that finals. So, yes, I agree. You're probably what am I wrong legacy took a hit because of LeBron couldn't come through in that finals. So yes, I agree. You're probably what am I wrong legacy took a hit because of LeBron. Yes, because he would have had a second

title and a second finals MVP. He would have been the best player on the court. But in the 2000s and five, he got two more rings because of LeBron. I understand, but he got one fewer, one and one fewer finals MVP that that totally changes the map. But Mike, he was dominant before he got to Miami. He was dominant after he left Miami. And what he said is fine. He's saying I still would have been the chosen one. I still would have been dominant.

Perhaps slightly less ring. I think I think LeBron's issue would be, it's incredibly honest. I don't know LeBron. I'm not speaking for him. I think that his issue is he feels like people think that he only succeeded because of the heat and his time down here And what he's saying is I was dominant before the heat. I was dominant after the heat

I would have been dominant those years whatever team I was on which is true We got to keep our eye on the ball here. We're supposed to be laughing a Lebron right now for these tweets And we're just getting bogged down and right or you mean that we have for 10 years He is I understand what Billy is saying. And I appreciate the clarification. But when talking about LeBron's heat legacy and all the rings that he won, I'd say that we should take a look at Dwayne Wade's legacy. That was impacted.

Yes, Dwayne Wade had great moments. And when his knees were a little bit more shot and LeBron finally found the confidence in the finals, he got an extra ring. But Dwayne Wade had won ring for his career without LeBron. found the confidence in the finals. He got an extra ring, but he could have had one ring for his career without LeBron. I don't think so. I just don't think so. It ignores the fact that you have primed Dwayne Wade, who's a better player if LeBron's

not on the roster in terms of counting stats. We all know that. And Chris Bosch was a fantastic player. I think, and you also have another max slot that you can surround them with another complimentary piece. I think to say that Miami was made by LeBron, kind of ignores the fact that Miami would have been really freaking good if LeBron wasn't there. And that max spot went to someone else.

Gilbert Arena disagrees with you. He says, not unlike people are now saying, the Patriot way was just Tom Brady. That's what the Patriot way was. It was having Tom Brady. If the Patriots lose this weekend, the ball security down. If they lose this week, they do. Yeah, I've given you hard glances

while you were playing with that, the entire time knowing that you were gonna fumble. So did you just kneel down Dan? I haven't fumbled. The Patriots, if they lose this weekend, will have lost for the 33 third time since tombrei d left and in the ten years before that when tombrei d was there they lost a total of

thirty five times so he was the patriot way and gilbert reenis is pointing out of lebron he's saying well he took heat culture with him gilbert reenis is saying that lebron was he culture that's a synonym now you've gone to find just telling you that why we give so much credence to give her arenas i just

i think you that what your saying you know that cloud i i think the great many people listening to this would say that dwayne wade's legacy was in no way hurt by lebron it was only helped by lebron because i don't doubt that because Dwayne Wade said after going out in the first round of the playoffs to the Celtics, that will never happen to me again. And then he made sure of it by going and teaming up with LeBron James. I don't that betrayed him and cost him a title that asshole. I don't doubt that most people

listening to this think that I'm crazy for saying that. And they just think, well, they won two titles because LeBron went there. But you're ignoring what those players were in that time, what the Eastern Conference landscape would look like if LeBron simply went elsewhere and you're foolish. Foolish. If you don't think that the Miami Heat would have been in that title conversation the entire time, considering LeBron left. And they've been to two finals since he left.

It's not the... And last one to LeBron. It's not the greatest thing. I've been going to be a ship since he left. Yeah, but one in a bubble. I mean, I'm with Chris Coding, this argument is something we've been having in some form for 10 years and I'd like to skip past it, but another thing that we're ignoring from that tweet that he has somehow made us numb to is an athlete just saying and us accepting it. Yes, I'm chosen

That's right chosen. We don't have beef with that Chosen by God that's right chosen. I've been chosen by God. Well, that's true also To be a wholelier and better person than you are We all criticize anything LeBron does on social media criticized him ranking tight ends where he's clearly reading off a screen. Oh my God, well, where's rankings? The first Google. Okay, but there was a great video of like a top 10 tight ends chart. And he just reading it in order.

We got my god Darren. No, but he went to ranker. You can tell when it was loading though, because he'd like, he's looking at his phone recording it. And then he looks off to the side and he's like,'s like there's so many to name no because he starts out he's like oh you get we got Travis Kelsey and we got a George Kittle and we got you know there's so many there's so many and then there's like a pause my man D Waller he looks over yeah he throws one of those like and he's like oh like he's things like Hawkins and Hawkins

like if he was thinking about it and forgotten, it's clearly he's just scrolling on the reading screen order. Yeah. One of my favorite things is when he takes pictures, he takes pictures with books and he's always reading page one. But here is another tweet because of the two minute report from LeBron. The game isn't won or lost in the last two minutes. If you know the game, oh boy.

If you know the game, things happen throughout the first, second, third, and first 10 minutes of the fourth that have major impact. Major caps. All caps, major. I don't think you need to know the game to know that. Was he watching the Iowa Minnesota game too? I think you can be a total toddler and learn that before even reaching at the places where there are books and they teach you things. You need not know the game.