The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Local Hour: Let's Be Giannist

Episode Date: December 16, 2025

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See official rules at program website. Zaslo, I need some details on this dream that you had last night. I need you to put us inside of your sleep, please. I had a good dream. I think it was a good dream. Do you remember your dreams, Greg? Rarely. Yeah, I guess if you don't remember your dream, you wouldn't know anyway.

I remember my dreams. And last night I had a dream that I was doing, you know, a regular shift on ESPN radio. I was doing radio. And my co-i had a new co-host. My co-host was Janice Ante-Compo. So your sleep is being interrupted by your amount of work. You're working a lot. You're working day and night.

You're working on weekends. You know why. Wives. They love something. You also like money as well. I think that's part of it. I don't think it's just your wife that likes money. I think you also like money.

So he replaced Amber. So, yeah. And it's not like we weren't together. I was broadcasting where I was, like from my home. And he was broadcast in wherever he was. We were not in the same. So you were on Zoom. Janus was on Zoom.

COVID radio. And do you remember the subject matter that you were tackling? Yeah. Well, we talked about a bunch of things. It was like a regular show, you know. But I do remember when we were talking about football, it was not his strong suit. Realistic. He was not strong on the NFL.

So do you remember you were throwing him questions? Yeah. He was in Milwaukee and you're throwing him questions about the Packers or like what was happening there? Just we were talking, I mean, maybe like probably Monday night football because that's what I was last watching before I went to bed last night, you know. So we're probably talking about that game, you know, talking about the Dolphids, boy, too, it's shit. But we, you know, Janice, he was... Was that his take or yours? No, that's mine.

Better believe that. And we were just, we were talking about everything. But I, but then I woke up at one point. I think it was probably when I woke up this morning when my alarm went off. And I thought to myself, like, damn, I wanted to see where that was going. You know, like, we were in the middle of a good conversation on the air, and I didn't get to finish the dream. Was that a second job for him? Like, did you ask him, why are you in the studio talking to me?

No. It was realistic, Greg. He was imagining. that it was a co-host of his, and he was just doing a regular show. Yeah, it seemed normal to me. But do you recall, God, I'm really carrying him right now? He doesn't know anything on football.

Yeah, he's a lot better at basketball than he's ever. My co-host isn't giving me what I need here. Yeah, yeah. And I do remember, actually, I was late to the show, all right? So we didn't get to do any show prep. We didn't do any, like, pre-production meeting or anything like that. And I didn't know who my co-host was until I sat down and we turned the show. I was like, oh, Morgan went Janus today.

Was his show called Let's Be Honest? I like it. That's pretty good. That's good humor. That's my boy. I didn't really like it. I was just trying to support you. I would have preferred the silence last for about four months.

I would have preferred to just sit in the silence instead of you, yes-inning, the idea that the name of the show would be let's be yonis. I'm a clue guy. It's just, we could have sat in that silence and made everybody wonder whether or not we'd gone off the air, whether the power had gone out, whether we, and it would have just been Chris sitting and stewing in his own diarrhea. Instead, you rush in to support him, but not well. I like it. It isn't much in the way of support. It's just filling the silence with three syllables. I'll be honest.

I could have been better. This is the Dan Levatore show with the Stugat Spani. I had something happened to me yesterday during that dolphin game that has legitimately never happened to me before in the history of covering the dolphins. When Tua slid in front of the first down, didn't get the first down, needed a yard, got half a yard, and then they had to punt. The next 10 years of football flashed before me, because. Because when he wasn't athletic enough to get a first down that required half a yard, I thought to myself, at least Drake May and Josh Allen aren't at the top of the division with their athleticism. It's legitimately never happened to me before where I'm watching something. I'm like, oh my God, that is not good enough for whatever evolves in this sport.

Never mind the division. Whatever evolves in the sport, he's run 20 times this season. He's got one first down. Barry Jackson had that stat last night. To run 20 times means you have a quarterback who cannot get you out of trouble under any circumstances while in a division with quarterbacks who are wildly athletic that you're going to have a hard time catching up to if the sport changes much more. The game last night was frustrating to watch for a number of reasons, not just because the dolphins lost. I am so tired of nobody throwing it down the field. Like just throwing it to tight ends, throwing it to running backs.

but how does Aaron Rogers at 41 look more athletic than Tua? Because he is. Is he? Yeah. Oh, yeah, of course. Most quarterbacks are off. I took him out for sneaks, dude. The thing that they did with Aaron Rogers that was funny, trying to build the mythology around him,

because I was frustrated by that game. The number of tush pushes, third and one, push your way twice with a 311 pound tight end to get a yard. Just waste my time. Waste my season. The watching of this season has been a waste of time to anybody who cares about football. in South Florida. But the way they tried to frame Aaron Rogers, the wording that they used,

Aaron Rogers is standing 10 feet behind the line of scrimmage. He's got nothing to do with the play. He's watching it the way the rest of us are, and they say, there's Aaron Rogers doing his thing. That's great. What do you mean that's him doing his thing? He's just standing there watching. He's a spectator like the rest of us.

They also, one time that he did it, called him a gunslinger. And I'm like, what are you talking? about he's throwing he's throwing 50 times to gain well and his 10 tight ends and the best part of that was his hands were in his pockets staying warm so had there been a fumble right in front of them his hand he's only got one good hand he can't even do anything with the other one there was a sequence in which there was a small button hook route that would have been a first down and Aaron Rogers short hopped it moments after screaming at the sideline about how they got the play in almost like there's Aaron Rogers doing his thing how much do you guys

love Darnell Washington. It took six. He's electric. It took six dolphins to bring him down on. He's still listed as 267. They put him at 267. He's 50 pounds heavier than that. He's three bills easy. It's how bad that game was. I was just watching him a lot. And let me tell you, Adam Thielen, masterclass in wide receiver blocking. It was unbelievable. Would you agree with me that the best number for a big giant guy to wear is number 80? That you've got two round numbers and it fits on a 311 pound person better than any other number. Maybe double zeros would be better, but the number 80... 69 slaps.

One would be funny. I can't do 80. It's just a wide receiver number in my mind. It's just Jerry Rice. I can't get it out of my mind. Best 80 for the Dolphins? Irving Friar. Farrell Ledman's.

Wasn't Joe Rose number 80? Big Don't. I think he was, actually. Was he 84? I think it was 84. No, I think I thought it was 80. It's good. I think Zaz might have this right.

Can you look this. up for me. I can't remember. I'm terrible at this. I'm really bad at uniform numbers, but I think of Joe Rose. Famous number 80. He was number 80? Wow. Wow. You really insulted Joe Rose by going to Irving Friar and anybody else other than

Joe Rose. Herring Friar was so good with the dolphins. What are you talking about? Joe Rose is an institution. If I said Irving Friar, legend, locally or not a legend? No, not a legend. Not a dolphin legend? Not a dolphin. Joe Rose is a legend. Is he? Yeah.

Irving Friars is a legend because of his radio career. Irving Friar was much better on the football field for the Miami Dolphins than Joe Rose was. I think Joe Rose's greatest season was about 350 yards at tight end. Irving Friar was pretty good for that day and aid. He was very good for the Dolphins. If he's not a legend, he's a luminary. Not for long, though.

What, two, three years at most. Yeah, yeah. 345 yards for the Big Dog. But Zaslo has said that he's a legend and that Irving Friar is not a legend. And so if someone's a legend in war number 80, then he is the most legendary number 80. No. He's not wearing number 80 leaning into a mic. He's better at radio than he was at football. Good point. Erring Friar had back-to-back thousand-yard seasons. That's pretty good.

He had a couple of seasons with a lot of touchdowns, too, didn't he? Didn't he have one season? His first year the Dolphins, you were the Dolphins. Guys, Brian Hartline had a couple thousand yards seasons. A different era. In 93, he had 1,010 yards and five touchdowns. In 94, he had 1,270. yards and seven touchdowns. And then in his third season with the Dolphins in 95, it was 910 yards, but eight touchdowns before going to Philadelphia where he caught 11 touchdowns the following season. Fred Barnett trade.

Three seasons, not a legend. Chris, are you aware of where Brian Hartline is now? You are aware. Follow the news, Dano. Better coach than player. Easily, right? Better recruiter? I don't think we know about coach yet.

We know he's a good recruiter. He's coaching him up. But you want to share with the audience the whereabouts? South Florida. Brian Hartline. Dan's beloved USF Bulls loves everything that's in Tampa. Don't they play? They play tomorrow, don't they?

Doesn't South Florida? The bowl season's about to kick off, is it not? Yes, it is. I saw that the coach, the interim coach for Michigan said that the players feel betrayed by the Sharon Moore's story. He was quoted at the Cheez-It

Citrus Bowl, and I learned his name then. It's a terrible name. Biff Pogi. Have you seen what he looks? like. Oh, you know about Biff. Google him. Have you seen what he looks like? Biff Pogie.

Yeah, you've seen this guy before. At Lebitard show, can you be great athletically or can you be a champion athletically if your name is Biff with two F's at Lebitard show? So let's talk about the end of this dolphin season and the problem of architecture that they have because if you cut to it today, it will hurt you just as much as if you keep him all of next season against the salary cap. It's the same amount. This is such an easy decision. I don't understand why this is a thing where it's, oh, if you cut to a, you know, it's $56 million. It's the same amount of money if you keep

them. You know, great, great. That's a, if you have a bad player and it costs you the same amount of money to have a bad player on your team as to what to not have a bad player in a team, wouldn't you always pick to not have the bad player? bad player? Not if you're in transition next year and it's a bad quarterback class this year. It's a bad quarterback class. Your solution next year won't be better than Tua. It's not saying much. Just get whatever veteran off the scrap heap for $10 million. Okay. You want you? You want Minchew? Yeah. I mean, yes. Philip Rivers. Do me the favor, Jeremy. I don't know the backstory. I have heard over my life the phrase Old Man River.

I don't know where it comes from. I don't know anything about it other than a phrase. Does anyone here know the phrase, Old Man River? I know it was a famous song. I don't know the origin of the phrase. Maybe the song popularized the phrase. Please find out for me because Philip River is obviously a ridiculous selection. And says, I think you're being sports radio short-sighted.

Any veteran is better as if you could just go get Kirk Cousins and feel better about your bandage next year than the one you presently have to pay anyway. Greg Cody is right from the musical showboat with music by Jerome Kern and lyrics by Oscar Hammerstein the second. Dan, how can you expect

to ask fans to pay their hard-earned money to come to games next year and you continue to throw Tua out there? That's why you get rid of him and just pick someone up off the street. Okay, but when he

he's decent. He's decent. Yes. Right? Like, that's the issue. Okay, yes, his peaks are very, very low. But his, like, what he can do when everything is clicking, got him best completion percentage in the league. He's not that quarterback anymore, though.

He isn't, dude. He's not that guy. This is a different player. As an independent, every time that guy dropped back, it was a disaster. And it would fool box scores too. Because if you see the stats, you're wondering, I fell asleep during that game. I thought the quarterback play was so poor on both sides.

I actually left that game, thinking Philip Rivers is better than both these guys. He gets 60 yards in the third quarter. And three time that dude dropped back. You were fearful of a disaster. Yes, he was sacked a bunch of times last night, but the IQ is so low now. The decision-making is so unbelievably low.

It's fair to question what's happened to his brain. You know, it's like there was a play yesterday late in the game, right, where Aaron Rogers and, Grant Aaron Rogers probably one of the smartest quarterbacks to ever play the game. But there was a play where Aaron Rogers, instead of throwing the ball away as he was about to be sacked, he decided to fall down so that the clock would keep running. Literally cost me to my fantasy season. We don't have to get into that.

Because, hey, this is a good thing to even take the sack but have the clock running. And the possession right before that, when the Dolbids are trying to conserve time, which, I mean, maybe they didn't really know that because they were huddling. But you would want to conserve time. And Tua, he's rolling out. And instead of throwing the ball away to stop the clock, he takes it. Takes a sec. Let's be honest. He's done. He's done. This isn't like, hey, you think Tua's good over here. I think Tua stinks over here. This is not the same player the previous five years. The World Cup is coming back to North America for the first time since 1994. 44. 48 teams. These giant stadiums. The whole continent turning into one massive party, I cannot wait. But actually getting tickets to any of this? Yeah, that part, brood.

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Turn on your microphone. My microphone's on. Paint the scene. The paint the scene is I've got to go to work. Good night. This is the Dan Lebatar show with the Stugats. Sozazzo last night on Twitter says we're watching the worst starting quarterback in the entire league. Get rid of this guy. He's completely cooked as an NFL quarterback.

back. Here are some stats. He's 0 and 6 in temperatures below 40 degrees. He's 3 and 12 in his last 15 games against winning teams, 3 and 12. And in seven of those, half those games, he hasn't gotten to 20 points. And as Tony mentioned, the stats at the end of the third quarter, six for 10, 65 yards, one interception. And the interception was him trying to throw the ball down the field and just a terrible throw. It was a bad throw. Bad decision. And a bad throw and it fluttered. It seemed like his arm strength was affected by whatever the cold was. Like the ball started waffling as if you were skeet shooting and it just hit a quail. Like the ball just didn't go anywhere and was easy to pick off. And now he leads the league

in interceptions with 15. And here's one more. All 15 of his interceptions have been against zone defenses. That's a big problem because when you see that stat, you throw a zone defense at him. But, well, and to add to that right there, like, I'm not some football expert, but to me, that feels like that's, that's a QB who doesn't know what he's seeing then. Okay. Right. Am I right about that? Well, they kept giving that stat last night. I did not know that stat before last night.

And they kept giving the stat last night. I will also add to this. Jeline Waddle is a number one draft pick. Like, there, there have to be ways to get a number one wide receiver more than two catches in a game. unless by design you're so scared of your quarterback throwing the ball down the field that you're just going to throw to A-chan, throw to A-chan, throw to A-chan, throw to A-chan, and then spend the fourth quarter throwing to Waller. But Waddle, the amount of investment that you made in Waddle, both financially and where it is that you selected him,

if he's not a bust, he's pretty close to it for where it is that you drafted him. I know he had trade value, and I know they didn't want to trade him. But in the present confines of what they're doing, Jalen Waddle is not someone you can trust to be any kind of game breaker. First of all, he drops the ball too much. But a number one receiver, show me all the number one in the receivers in the league who go two catches for 20 yards. Any time. AJ Brown.

He's had three straight hundred-yard games. I know. It happens. And we're getting to the point with Waddle. Waddle's kind of impressed me a little bit this season. I know he does a thing where he pulls himself out of games. but it's gotten to the point with Wada or how am I supposed to evaluate this guy fairly with this quarterback who is so dreadful? I just hate that we're all judging to a based on this one terrible season. If in the next three games, he looks better than he has all season, that counts too.

Oh, but why would that? Yes, I agree. No, if he looks like the best quarterback in the league for his next three starts, I'd be like, hold on a minute. Why would you think that's what happened? Because that's what he's playing for right now. See, Tua has become the underdog, the long shot. If you like that kind of a story, all of a sudden, Tu is your guy because you're rooting for him.

That's fantasy land. I don't disagree that he's had a terrible season. It's his worst season of his NFL career. Greg, you've got to give up on him. You think this is correctable? You think the things that he's talking about, where Mike's saying it's fair to question. question his brain. He's, Zaz is saying that you simply cannot trust him. He's the worst

quarterback in the league. And you're pointing out that he's thrown 15 interceptions more than anyone in the league, all against zone, which require decision-making. No, no. I'm not excusing this season. I'm not. You're saying it's fixable, and I don't think anyone thinks that. Well, what I'm saying is, and I wrote this in my column in The Herald. I've been one of his biggest supporters, okay, and he's losing me. I have two, by the way. That's how bad he's done. also. I have been one of his biggest supporters. He's lost all his supporters. Joe Rose was supporting

them all the start of the season. What do you support? Everyone is out on him. I don't know anyone still defending him at all. I saw stat during the game that the dolphins, the last 16 third and tens, have completed zero. Okay, they've had zero conversions of third down and 10 or more and 16 tries. That's insane. Well, that was the problem in the first half. That's why they're down 28 to 3 or whatever the score was because they couldn't make a third down. And that's on two. Right? He had a terrible game, and the fourth quarter inflated his stats and his rating and made it seem statistically like he wasn't the problem. He was the problem. I know that this is somewhat redundant that we've done this, but I will tell you the last time I saw something in my own opinion making that feels like what you're presently doing with Tua and have been doing it all season. When Wonstet, the first couple of seasons, was 11 and 5 and 10 and 6, I'm like, you can't fire that. You can't fire 11 and 5 and 10 and 6. You can't.

Everybody was howling about it. Then 4 and 12, they don't have a quarterback. And I'm too late. I didn't have any vision whatsoever. You sitting here holding on to Tua, and frankly, the Dolphins sitting here holding on to Tua, gets in the way of anything in the way of progress if you think this is fixable. This is not fixable. Like, he cannot do anything other than...

Just stop right there. Other than throw the ball sideways. and behind the line of scrimmage. No mobility, no no situation. That's a bad problem, the mobility thing. Yes, it is. All of it. No vision. No, look, I'm not excusing the season he's had. I'm saying to a next season versus what is the alternative. Zach Wilson?

No, thanks. I don't think so. The alternative's moving on. That's the alternative. Yeah, it's just closing the book there. It's not a great quarterback draft class, but there are going to be some quarterbacks available. ball. Right. Make a move. And by the way, and by the way, please laugh more on the sideline with the camera on you down 28 to 9. Please, please chuckle it up. You know what? The only thing missing when he was laughing on the sideline there down 28 to 9, give him a microphone so he could yell to everyone, show me the money. Laugh some more. Are we sure he's not

like sobbing? I watched the play. Somebody must have said something hysterical to him. Laugh it up to a you can be screaming in pain maybe like giving a nice little war cry for the teams as Greg Cody seems to be making the argument that this is fixable that this is redeemable that this is a blip that it's a bad season that it's an aberration yeah I would not write him off at this moment okay but I would also say he has a lot of proving to do in his sixth year which is terrible I remember when Ryan Tannenhill was in his seventh season and the narrative around him was is he good enough? Is he the guy? And you don't want to be saying that in the sixth or seventh season, and we're doing it again with Tua. Actually, you're the only one doing it. Everyone's out on him.

Tannahill, actually, we were still having the conversation six and seven seasons. Right, it was actually worse with Tannhill because we didn't know. We were still wondering six or seven seasons in. This is crazy to think about. The idea that you're talking about the entirety of the 2000s so far, sitting here arguing about, well, maybe it's AJ Feely. I think we're arguing for 25 years about do the Dolphins have a quarterback? And the answer except for one season is no. I want to play devil's advocate for Greg. The argument for keeping Tua is working with him seeing if you can recapture some of that form because it is pretty much a quarterback wasteland in terms of who's available. You have Daniel Jones coming off an Achilles

injury is the best name. You have Sam Howell who's played some starting quarterback in the League. In terms of trade targets, Kyler Murray is your best option over there. It's not great. Jacobi Brissette came off the couch, Mike. And Jacobi Brissette, if he were available, let's go. He was on the team. He was on the team. We've done that guys.

We've literally done that. And he wasn't better than two years. No, no, no, he wasn't better than that to him. He's certainly better than this. Right. The thing that is also concerning to me because you guys have heard me for practically 25 years say I don't understand how it is that the

Dolphins keep drafting offensive linemen and can never block anybody. He did get sacked four times last night, but that offensive line hasn't been something I've been complaining about all here in terms of protecting him. Much better. Paul's good. He's holding the ball, though. He's holding the ball, Greg. And it's not because at some point, at some point in the last couple of years,

I would have blamed the offensive line for some of what was happening to him. I can't do that this year. Yeah. No, and the defense, which had been much better lately, had a... They were good last night. They had a horrific second half, though. They were always on the field. They couldn't, they missed more tackles last night than I've seen them miss all season.

Here's the thing that we're doing today and this season that we hadn't done until now. If I'm not blaming the offensive line and he's got the support of a running game, because he does. Like, A. Chan rushes the ball. He's got running game support. then your problem is the quarterback. The problem on your offense is your highest paid player. Right. I mean, that's an architectural flaw that can't be overcome.

No, it has been this season. I mean, Pittsburgh was scheming to take away A. Chan and force the game into Tua's hands, and rightly so because Tua didn't do anything with it. He's had a terrible season. Is this the end of his Dolphins career? Probably. But for me, I think he's got three more games and next season, and then that's it. Thursday night football is on, and it's only on Prime Video.

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despite that gratuitous line in back in my day. Stugats. I wish you were here, my wife. I really miss her. No, I don't. That's the thing about being married. You know, you're not allowed to say, I don't miss my wife. I've been gone two days.

I haven't been gone long enough to miss my wife. I'm sorry. I call her. You just said you do miss her for 30 seconds. You know, what am I? Hello, all right. All right, we'll see you. All right.

And then, you know, I'm going to see her in two days. I was jumping, Charlie. Good. This is the Dan Levitar show with the Stugats. Considering what the coach did with Tua when he got. here. Wouldn't you be slightly interested to see what the coach can do with another quarterback? I would.

Sure. Yeah. I mean, of course, yeah, of course. But Tua, you know, everybody's going to have grown. Tua did make a pro ball. Like, we have seen good Tua. Okay, we haven't seen six years of abject failure. We have seen

Tua when he's pretty good. And I'm just not ready to write him off. Now, if you read the column I wrote, you're not going to, you're not going to get the idea that I'm forgiving his good season and I think all as well. It was probably the most critical column I've written about it because I've been, and you, you too, I think I've been to his biggest supporter and he's losing me. Like, I get the narrative that we've got to give up on this guy, everybody calling him a bum, the worst quarterback in the league. It isn't true, but maybe this season it is.

All right, let me again, though, do what it is that I did over a half yard that I can do over the next 10 years, okay? When Tua's last nine games, and many of them have been wins, like they were winning in a way that made Rex Ryan go on television yesterday and say, hey, nerd boy, you turned it around. Congratulations. Hats off to you. Term of endearment now. Over the last nine games, Tua, is 10 touchdowns and 11 interceptions. Now, the 11 interceptions are problematic enough, but I would also say when Josh Allen is putting up four touchdowns a game, nine games with 10 touchdowns is also the same kind of problematic.

It's not even like you're getting the turnovers and the plays. You're getting an equal number of turnovers to touchdowns, which makes you J. Feedler. That's what that makes you if you're going to be in the modern. And it's not even, it's not even Jay Feedler. Yeah, he's not as good as Jay Feedler. It's not even Jay Fiedler during an age that was different. It's during this age. Actually, during Jay Fiedler's age, you could be a quarterback who had as many touchdowns as interceptions.

Now nobody turns the ball over, but when you're playing against Drake May and Josh Allen in your division, and that's what you're going up against it with? Like, we have to acknowledge that everything that happened with Tua leading the league in passing, Tyreek Hill was that. That's the reason that all of that happened. You take Tyreek Hill out and you've got a totally pedestrian quarterback. It was also the

system that kept everything decisive, right? That's when Tuo was at his best. Decisive. One step throw. One step, throw. Tyreek Yack. Waddle Yack. A. Chan, yak. Now you take Tyreek out. Waddle can't do anything. Waller has been decent when he's been on the field, but you're going to give the ball to H.N. 40 times a game. You're going to kill him.

Of course you missed Tyreek. And so did Patrick Cajon, by the way, and still does. But look, if you're judging Tua solely by this season, I have no rebuttal because he's been awful. He's been terrible this season. There's no excuse for it. I'm not equivocating it. I think he's better than he's shown this season. I think he's young enough not to give up on his future. He's got a ton to prove. I'm giving him three games. He's got next season because they don't have a great alternative to him next season, beyond the financial aspect. And so that's the only place I differ.

Everybody else is saying, he stinks, he's the worst. No, he's not. Give him one more season. I think what's fooling you is what we're seeing right now with Tua with a 27-year-old quarterback is normally what we wind up seeing with the 37-year-old quarterback. Because if you were 37, you wouldn't be saying he's just having a bad year. Maybe he'll bounce back. He'd be like, no, this is the end.

he's cooked. And I think that's the confusing part for you because he's only 27, but I believe that is the case that his career is ending now after just six years instead of being in the league for like 12 years. Okay, you may be right, but I'm not confused about anything. I know exactly how old he is. Talk to the mic. I know exactly how old he is. But we've never seen this before, a quarterback at 27 looking like he's 37 is what I'm trying to say. You've seen plenty of quarterbacks have bad seasons in their prime. It happens. It happens.

The problem with Tua is that he doesn't have another part of his game to make up for it, right? Yeah. No, I totally agree with that. And part of that is you're worried about, oh, my God, I hope Tua doesn't get another concussion because that'll retire him. Well, what he's doing is playing a game to avoid concussions. Oh, he looks scared out there. Well, and that's a real problem, man. when he's running and it has to pick up two yards for a first down, what are the odds against that?

And the field's open in front of him and you see that he looks like he's running in molasses. What do you make of this Jalen Ramsey sound? Jalen Ramsey traded to the Steelers on the field. This is Jalen Ramsey. He's talking about to her, right? He's weak as a big play. Looking at the camera about like going off the field. He's weak as.

He weak as. just mean i'm as i'm out i'm as out on two as anybody i mean i'm as out on two as anybody and then like that you're the one playing it i want to turn your attention to examples like carson wince and robert griffon the third quarterbacks that had it cooking for a little bit both in mvp consideration and then injury changed their careers cars and wince has fought like hell to stay in the league robert griffin the third pushed out of the league injuries cause that. Injuries might be causing this one. It's just not one that you can see. He's not this guy that leaned on his athleticism like RG3, or it's not an elbow injury the way that it was with Carson Wentz.

It's between the ears. He's an avatar for our lack of understanding of brain chemistry and brain injuries in that sport. Because I don't know how to discuss responsibly that his brain is scrambled, but if, the performance, if you had to hypothetically come up with a performance that would look like what the hell happened, it would look a lot numerically and in play, Greg, like what it is that we're

watching. Where you can play zone defense against him, zone doesn't work against anybody in that league who's any good at quarterback. It has varying levels, but it's not, look, he's faced zone in his career and hadn't had these types of issues. 15 interceptions

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Thursday night football is on. This week, Los Angeles Rams take on the Seattle Seahawks. Coverage begins Thursday at 7 p.m. Eastern, only on Prime Video. That's a good one. Speaking of the Seahawks. Can I give the stat of the day? Yeah, go ahead. We got a sponsored segment here with the introduction and all of that stuff.

Yeah. Go ahead. Tell us what you wanted to about the Seahawks. Go ahead. Well, I was going to just mention, as an aside, that Sam Darnal has more turnovers this season than Tua. The reason you never hear about it is that Sam Darnal is surrounded by a great team, and so his faults are not exposed under a microscope like Tua. That's all. And also Seattle is great, and so is their offense. That's what I just said. Thank you. I mean, but he's... I just said he's surrounded by a better team than Tua.

You get some of the pluses with Sam Darnold. What's the stats? The stat is that the Raiders had 75 yards of total offense against the Eagles. That is the lowest number the Eagles have ever held an opponent to. It's the second lowest total the Raiders have ever had in a game. The 75 yards, nine teams have had a player do that on a single play this season. On a single play, the Raiders going pick it to lock it, which I like poetically. pick it to lock it, they didn't do anything. The fact that Gino Smith has fewer turnovers than Tua

when that team offensively has not only been a disaster, it's been a disaster that makes me wonder what the American media was doing thinking Tom Brady was cheating by wearing a headset to help the Raiders offense. Like we all yelled about that. He wasn't helping, isn't helping at all. Neither was Chip Kelly. And what it is that Tua has. done in terms of turnovers in an offense designed, by the way, Greg.

This is the thing about the 15 turnovers that's most alarming. It's all designed so that he doesn't turn the ball over. Like, the only time he's turning it over is when he dares to go down the field. It's not like any of these screen passes are ending up in the turnovers. Like, they're trying to hide their quarterback. You can't do that in the NFL. Like I say, I have no excuse for the season he's having. Tua threw the ball away on the two-point conversion attempt.

Yeah, like he airmailed it. Why would you throw it away on a two-point conversion? I can return that. He did just have a pick two. That never happens. I do think it's curious, and I know they have axes to grind, and I know they're outspoken. How one of them retired after playing the Dolphins.

But Zavian Howard and Jalen Ramsey, those are guys that went up against in practice often, and they don't seem to have the greatest things to say about them. I mean, what Xavier and Howard said, you take away the primary read. Yeah. Zavian Howard, the same Zavian Howard. I think he said something about Tua panicking, right? Yeah, the same Xavier and Howard that decided, I can't play anymore. He had a pretty good game against the Dolphins week one because he knew who was going up against Tua. It is just curious. They're former teammates. I hate watching him. I do. I hate it. I hate watching. Yeah, everybody does this season.

You're pretty alone here. I know. And you've been alone all season on it. You're like. I feel like he's sitting on the fence, yes, me. Really? Fence sitter. You just wanted to play that sound. That is absolutely not fencing. He's like, I am, I see why everyone's criticizing him. But I'm not, it's like, what do you?

Like, you're, I'll do it again. Fensitter. Have an opinion. Have an opinion. The easiest thing in the world is to, in the middle of the season he's having to say, Toa stinks, he's the worst quarterback in the league. Let's get rid of him. He's done.

He's spats. He's zazzing. I mean, that's the easy opinion, is to say, Tua sucks. It's also easy to talk to the mic, but we don't all do it. It's a fair point. Closer to a pragmatic view is that at age 27, I'm not willing to give up on this guy entirely, particularly when I look at their economic situation and who's better next season. Give them three more games, give him next season, and then make a move.

And the Dolphins have shown, by the way, in that four-game win streak and five out of six, they've shown that when you have H.N. running and a better defense, you can win games. No, they just play bad teams. They just played bad teams, Greg. Come on, I gave you the stats, Greg. The last 15 times they've played good teams. Teams with a winning record, they've lost 12 of them. He's 0 and 6 in 40-degree temperatures. What do you think you're going to get on the road in December when you have to go on the road? You're going to get those flutter balls that he was throwing last night whenever he dared to go down the field. It's weird to me that I've just felt over the course of this hour and this season, Chris, what your mom feels like married to your dad.

He's just stubborn about, he's just stubborn. I am stubborn. I'll give you that. But that's all you're doing. You're just sitting here saying, well, I've still got a chance to be right. Let's just give him 20 more games. And I acknowledge what everyone sees and I see it too, but I know he's terrible, but maybe he'll stop being terrible. I know he's in the middle

of the worst season of his career whether we're writing him off because of that is where we all differ. I'm not writing him off in age 27. Come on. Guys, I'm very excited to announce I've been moving. I've been moving stuff out of the house and trying to find stuff and whatever. Look what

I found. The things to ponder file. Zaz, you know about this? No. Oh, buddy. It's things that you want to ponder. You put it in the file. You take it out, you ponder them. So, he's moving, he's moving homes and, you know, you locate a bunch of things that you haven't seen in a while. I think that's pandemic era. I think that file, that file is four years old. Where did you find it?

Where was it? It was underneath like a book somewhere like in an attic. But the question, the question to jure, this was, this was three years ago, Baker at 20 million or two at 55 million. That's something that we were asking a couple of years ago. That's putting that out there. Not positive. You didn't write that. last night, but go ahead.

Whoa. Why would I do that? You're accusing him of being counterfeit? I mean, it's that takes too perfect, a little too perfect for me. How about this? How about will Aaron Rogers finish top three in MVP voting? Is that carbon dated enough for you? With what team?

It doesn't matter. Who cares? He would have been, if the voting was last night. How about this one to carbon dated? Will Bill Belichick ever coach again? Yes. So these are just four, these are four year old things that You found in a file under a book. I don't believe you have either a book or an attic in your house.

So I don't believe you're being accurate. Not an attic. It was like a top of a closet. My bad. How about, um, hmm, how about this thing? Cheying home alone. China buying U.S. farmland? Thanks to ponder.

I don't know what happened there. What? Bill Gates. Why did that get there? This does seem authentic. It does seem like that's a little bit dated. Can you imagine if they have. had Baker Mainfield right now. I imagine

it would feel a little bit different, although they would still be behind Josh Allen and Drake May in their division. Last one. Russell Wilson at 2 million or 2 at 55 million? That one you actually got wrong. Russell Wilson will be available if you guys want him next year. I'll take them. Jeremy has 11

quarterbacks that will be free agents next year that he wants more than 2. All right. Name them with fanfare. Let's go. Top 11. All right. Eleven. Well, I don't know. All right. Sam Howell. Number 10. Tommy DeVito

Oh God Number nine Gardner Minchew Number eight Carson Wentz Number seven Trey Lance Lance

Oh god Number six Case Keenham Woof Number five Mitch Trubisky Number four Jimmy Garapolo

Number three Tyrod Taylor Number two Marcus Marriota Number one Russell Wilson Wow This kind of proves our point

There's probably like two or three guys there you legitimately want more than You wouldn't rather have Marcus Marriota? You wouldn't rather have Joe Flacco? No. You wouldn't rather have Jimmy Garapolo? Jimmy G. You wouldn't rather have Mitch Trubisky? No. I absolutely would.

Then another year of this! I got one more thing in the Ponder file. Zaz, I want you to ponder this one long and hard. You ready? Don't waste my time. That is a Viking. Christian Ponder. Oh, that is a Ponder. I'd rather have him too! Christian Fonder in the Ponder file.