The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Local Hour: Morality Gets You Nowhere

Episode Date: August 21, 2024

Today's Crew: Dan, Stugotz, Amin, Chris, Billy, Tony, Jessica. Tua Tagovailoa's former coach, Brian Flores, responded to Tua's comments about how Flores treated him. We kick off the day with more discussion of the comments and how Dan was surprised by his response. What does it say about who has the power in today's NFL? Plus, David Samson joins the show to weigh in on the situation and why he thinks Flores was wrong for taking accountability. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Good luck Hmm that's staggering 105 Do any of you want to live till 105 sure? What I mean, I'm not I feel like I remember Billy in the past saying that I'm good with get me to 70 something It's just like 68. I'm fine. Give me as much as you got, I'll take it all. My grandma said if she ever gets old, put a bullet in her head, so. Well, I don't think that would hold up.

Like if you actually put a bullet in her head, I don't think you could tell them, like my grandma says. She told me so, yeah. And also, did she give you a number because she's old? Yeah, she didn't. I don't think anyone's gonna follow through on it. We're all just waiting around for Chris Cody to try and find the holy shit Jessica

for Jessica's grandmother. We're just talking, waiting for Chris to find it. It could be a different grandmother. Jessica, holy shit. I won't say which grandmother it was. Oh, it could have been the other one. So now she could kill both legally. Nice.

My other grandma actually died and then I went to work the next day and I was like, my grandma died and everyone was like, oh, we're so sorry. And I'm like, it's okay, let's go to happy hour. And then we went to happy hour and that was the day Lehman and I started dating. You're like, it's okay, I killed her.

So much romance. So nice. So that's how I remember our anniversary. Stugats has used, in the early days, Stugats used multiple grandmothers multiple times. There were many grandmother deaths. I've had many grandmas and all of them have passed away. I'm out of grandmas. I no longer use that excuse. Don't tell people that. Well done. You can't do it again. Put it on the poll please, Juju at Levitard Show. Do you want to get to 105 years old?

Am I a young 105, an old 105? Like, is it 105 feeling like 90? The reason I think it's an interesting question is because right now, if you ask me, the state of the 105-year-old now, how that person will feel, I would not want to physically feel like that at 105 to where every little thing was very difficult. However, if you give me advancements in science that make 105 the new 38 mortality rate

that we had in Christ's day, like if you give me medicine and science advancement, I think I might wanna get to the next 50 years of 105. Unfortunately, we're gonna blow up the earth before then Mm-hmm all you're gonna see your last vision is gonna be just fire sweeping through the sky and engulfing the entirety of everyone you love It's a real positive outlook what are we supposed to do with that Dan like you throw that out there It's like, okay. All right, then I guess we've got 50 years? I feel like we've got another 100 million years on the planet, I think we're all right.

I think at 105. What's gonna cause the fire? It's been billions of years, right? Like we've survived billions of years, but now it's over? Not now. Not now. The planet's gonna be here. That's what I'm saying. It's humans, that's what Dan's talking about.

I said planet. Is there methane? Why is the sky on fire? I imagine that's how it ends. But what causes that? The cow farts. Oh. Hmm. 105.

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because all of a sudden the Democratic party is an actual party. It's the party of entertainment. I'd like this on the poll as well. Have Jay-Z and Alicia Keys knocked out Frank Sinatra on New York's anthem, yes or no? That was controversial. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong.

A lot of New Yorkers hate Empire State of Mind. It's a corny song. A lot of people have it in their do not play this at my wedding list when they get married in New York. Unless Hawk Tuah is there and then she says, she thinks it's wet dream. Concrete jungle wet dream tomato. There you go, concrete jungle wet dream tomato.

Wheelhouse locked in on Hawk Tuah girl, Billy is? Like what's up with that? I mean, he has trouble when he's been off for a week, flies red eye and then starts in the morning his energy is always bad like it takes him 47 minutes to get the cobwebs. I'm sorry Let's do radio morning radio. Hey, how's it going guys? What a great day and Empire State of Mind Hey, how about that song Jessica? Hey Billy? What's the name of the thing that Hawk to it did was it what the Mido dream? What how's it go? I don't know. I give the right answer. That's okay I don't know, I give the right answer, that's a problem. Okay, so you might know, energy's gotta be higher.

Thank you. Energy's gotta be higher. I'm gonna be out of the higher. Two minutes rambling. See ya. I'll be back with more energy. You guys wanted energy, you'll get energy. Exactly, 47 minutes, I mean.

Don't threaten us, you're gonna do your job, you're gonna be up and awake in the morning. Energy, energy's what we want. You always sound sleepy when you come in, as if we're boring you your job. You're gonna be up and awake in the morning You always sound sleepy when you come in as if we're boring you as if we're imposing on count the dings Like come in with some energy and do the show correctly not sleepy they're paying you a lot of money Like we're boring you? Taking up your time? So DJ, the thing that I wanted to talk about from last night wasn't that transfer of power.

I can't believe what happened with Brian Flores. I am stunned that the shift is such in that sport that hey guys, quarterbacks have taken over. Coaches and that style, we'll see on the way down. You're gonna have taken over coaches and that style we'll see on the way down you're gonna have to get out of press conference try and save your job and you're gonna need to actual vikings next to you on the stage because you need the support that's crazy

i what i saw yesterday still got stunned me that to us as you're a terrible person and floors has to get out there with on his knees and be like my bad man what you learn coach for that don't be mean to the quarterback because I have the same record as McDaniel I'm a lot better in December than McDaniel is and no one looks at that way because they look at two and they say me failing

that's what they see and I gotta save my job and I gotta bring two players out with me to stand support couldn't believe what I saw yesterday. I was impressed for what it's worth with Flores for having that response for taking what Tuis said and saying, hey, I need to do better. I need to be a better person because, and a lot of people will say, what's he going to say in that spot? But that's what you say in that spot. No, but you say, what's he going to say in that spot? Not what he did. Not many coaches do it that way. And I can be cynical about it and call it a desperation

to stay in the league when he's got a few friends. He's been throwing lifelines. Like Tomlin had to throw. Man, they all saw what happened to Kaepernick. Like a lawsuit against the league for racism. You need friends. If you ever want to get to your dreams again, and people not to remember you, you say,

yeah, you had McDaniel's results. You did you were better in December, but people look at you and say you screwed up Tua You couldn't put the pieces around him and now he's in job-saving mode. That is crazy But I mean but comparing his record to McDaniel also is not including You're you're giving his record his last two seasons when he had to it You're not giving his record without Tua, which is worse without him than it was with him. What Flores overtook, people forget this now, was a tanking team that Dominique Foxworth said

was unethical to field because they were gonna get trampled by the pros. It was a low payroll and they were totally in rebuilding. That's not what McDaniel has. Like McDaniel could have saved Tua with all of the pieces they put around him, that's not what Flores had here. Like that was a tanking football team that he somehow got to a record that was a lot better than any of us thought it would be with a quarterback who had the worst offensive line in the league and the worst separation from his receivers

in the league. But McDaniel's getting the best Tua that we've seen. Flores did not take the opportunity to go out and get the best to a perhaps it would have been different for us to got to this is the part that's hugely fascinating to me that business the scoreboard tells all its results not perception but flores is buried right now under perception and he had to bring two players out hey tell the guys i'm ok please tell everybody in the league that i'm not a bad dude because toa said a sentence i'm a terrible person and he's got the I run the risk of him wrecking the rest of my career if I don't stand up here and handle this press conference

correctly that's crazy to me that's crazy well few years ago this guy was a Belichick disciple who had all the power all the Belichick disciples behave like Belichick and all of them have failed like every last one of them and so what do you get in in the locker room now with the Dolphins you get a coach who's an ally? And and you get a tour who's paid and confident and now the expectations come and we will see what the results are But flora's left the team Where the results to got were McDaniel ish it just didn't look as sexy because nobody wanted to win with defense instead of offense I think if if flora's wanted to make a statement about toa he shouldn't have brought

Defensive players or other guys he should have brought the quarterbacks with him to be like see the course Sam Darnold here JJ McCarthy on a crutch and be like look see the boy the the quarterback say I'm good, but he said now Coordinator I know we're he dealt to it because to us he was a head coach I hear you Tony you're making it worse if to us because he was the head coach, so he dealt it to us. I hear you, Tony. You're making it worse if you walk out with Sam Darnold. You can't do that. What? He just...

You can't do it. All he really did was come out and say, hey, I've changed. I decided I've changed, and he put it to rest so that this doesn't become a thing going on. He addressed it the next day to try to end it, which it will. Once games start, I don't think that people are going to be as fascinated with this as they are. It'll always be a thing that you think of when you think of Brian Flores but it's gonna go away once the games start yeah but

imagine JJ McCarthy going up there on crutches with a season-ending knee injury and being like that's my defensive coordinator that buys you a lot he doesn't even know him doesn't matter let's listen to Flores because we're talking about it some people haven't matter. Let's listen to Flores, because we're talking about it. Some people haven't heard it. Let's hear what Flores' response was to Tua. I'm always gonna have a high standard. And I think, you know, I've done a lot of reflecting on the situation, you know.

Reflecting on the situation, communication. I think there's things that I could do better, for sure, and I've grown in that way. I've tried to apply the things that I could do better and the things that I've learned over the last two, three years. I would say over the long haul, I've had a lot of great relationships over my 21-year career here in the league. Players, coaches, personnel, equipment, people in the kitchen, I mean, really across the board. I've had a lot of great relationships and I'm gonna continue to do that.

But I'm also always looking to get better and involved. I'm different as a coach, whether it's schematics or personnel or evaluations, I'm always than as a coach whether it's schematics or personnel or evaluations. I'm always looking to get better. I'm always looking for dialogue in meetings with coaches, with players. I don't care where the good idea comes from. You guys heard me say that. I'm open to getting better and that's always my mindset. Stugatz he did handle it well that is what humbling sounds like I'm not used to the football coaches

getting out there and being that kind of humbled especially the tough guy ones right that wasn't quite I'm sorry and I would have liked some specifics on what it is he's learned to not tell his quarterback that he sucks or what he's learned specifically about positive reinforcement. But to me, the most interesting part of all of that is in that sport where the evolution is always having the 21 year old hunt down the 31 year old, the fact that the power shift is such that these guys don't have daddy Bellla check out there anymore to protect them as the as the savior of the league and to see that fall be that precipitous where he gets here does a good job

florist did a good job here under impossible circumstances but that the stain would linger that bella check can't get it out and now that to it takes him out with a sentence in a way that has him on his knees in minnesota that's a shift in the power dynamics that to a went and got the money and the security to overtake where the power in that league is Brady showed it to us with Belichick Aaron Rodgers is showing it to us now with the Jets the quarterbacks clearly run that league Stu got They do. I don't know when that shift occurred. It was probably in the last couple of years,

but I do love that Tony wants him to walk out there, Flores, with Nick Mullins. Like, I think that is, that is Nick Mullins and Sam Darnold to show support for Brian Flores. They have some random defensive tackle there. At least you know Nick Mullins. I think with Brian Flores also,

this was his first time being a head coach in the NFL, right? And there is some nuance to some of the things that Nick Saban does and that Bill Belichick do, where when you look at it from the outside, you're like, they're hard asses, right? But when you talk to some of Nick Saban's players who have come up playing through Alabama, they love him, right?

But if this is your first time doing it and you're not, you don't know how to handle each person individually and you don't have the head coaching experience, it's possible just to think I need to be the hard ass, I need to be the person that's in charge and you mismanage people. But like as you grow in whatever the industry is, you learn different way to handle people and different way to handle situations. So like he could have changed in realizing, well, hey, I handled that the wrong way being a hard ass. I could be a hard ass, but some people I shouldn't be as much of a hard ass

or it can be a hard ass here. But then we have conversations where it may just be he mismanaged to and he's not a terrible person. He just handled the situation poorly and he's learned from that. To your point, Billy, one of my friends, Marshall Newhouse, he's a great follow on Twitter, played for Bill Belichick and he tweeted this out yesterday. He said, I can assure anyone trying to justify Flora's alleged coaching style behavior with,

he's a Belichick disciple, doesn't know how Bill led people all these years. Bill was far from warm and fuzzy all the time, he had an unwavering sense of accountability. The record speaks for itself, however he loved football and he loved players, he absolutely revered what it takes to sacrifice and play this game. He may not have been outwardly cordial

all the time about it, but there's no shortage of respect that Bill had for the game and for the players involved. So I think to your point, Billy, there is probably a misunderstanding from people on the outside watching different coaching styles versus what people may have actually felt in those locker rooms.

And so to like write it off as like you know well he you know Bill Belichick and Nick Saban and Brian Flores are they're all like these hard-o guys like there are there is probably nuance to it and look to your point I think different players probably have different experiences themselves with how they receive some of the criticism or the coaching that they're getting from these coaches. I'd say even within the same locker room, you have different perceptions of the way that they are. Like you're always gonna have a disgruntled former player

of Belichick or Saban or whoever that feels like they were wronged and they don't have that good feeling towards their former coach. Like Tua did not have a good relationship with him, obviously, right? But that's not to say that former dolphins don't like Brian Flores or don't think

that he did a good job. Well, but Tuas said, all other members of my draft class as well, Amin could speak to this because you have to have a combination of ingredients, Stu Gotts. The first word in tough love is tough, but you better have something that resembles the love somewhere in there.

You can disrespect me if I know that you are someone who actually respects me and i also respect but the relationship has to be real and it has to be not of reputation like it has to be born of you having endured things to what comes in the league is a novice he doesn't have any confidence the first coach he's getting is not giving him anything that resembles care it's the opposite of that you can be tough on your players, but then you said it perfectly you have to show signs of your coach you can be both I could be tough on you and at times

I'm going to show you just how much I care about you players need to know that you're in this with them that you actually care about them outside of the football field care about them you care about their family. But this is a discussion about Flores not preparing himself in his first head coaching job for his quarterback and what makes his quarterback, you know tick and if I'm him, I talk to Nick Saban. I talk to people who know him. Dan, you can't just

treat everyone the same way. I don't care. I don't care how much experience you have. There are 75 men there. You don't treat them all the same way. Understood, Stugats, but when your standard at the position is all you've known there is Brady, you might have an unreasonable standard for where it is your quarterback play should be. I think Brady showed you at the end

that he was tired of being treated that way. Well, Tua also joined the league in somewhat of a transitional phase, right? Just like, not in the league but societally, right? Where beforehand like all the rookies were hazed and they had to prove themselves and they had their head shaved and they were like bullied essentially, right? And he joined the league where it was kind of like, well that's not happening anymore. But you have a head coach who's come up as an assistant coach in situations where that was kind of the norm. So I could see him thinking, well, like, this is just how we treat the rookies. Prove yourself. And he wasn't proving himself. The rules changed on Flores as the power shifted. And it shifted right around when Mahomes told

the commissioner, get out there and apologize. Like all that stuff was happening in a way that Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady took inventory of. all of them saw what lebron did all of them saw that and chris you sat next to use you smell the confidence onto uh... because he got his money in his power and now he knows reinforce imagine how to review that yesterday imagine how to it this person who derailed my confidence at a time i was fragile i decided to finally unload on him,

and then he watched as the guy has to get out there with two literal Vikings. They should have been wearing horns and furs for protection because of what he's about to do, a press conference that he's had to get consulting on how to handle as a defensive coordinator. I think support is better than protection, right? You know what I mean though?

They're standing like soldiers next to him because he needs, I mean, the whole thing was strange. Why didn't he just get on that yacht with Stephen Ross and Tom Brady, allegedly? Like, why was that the point of integrity? Like, I will not do this. Brady would be going into the Hall of Fame five years from now as a dolphin.

I will not cheat. I will not get on that yacht, that's against the rules. Come on, man. He was a moral man, and look at where he ends up, the poor guy. This'll teach you, kids, morality gets you nowhere. Where's the camera to look into? Don't be moral, gets you nothing.

You can speak to the lack of respect that you've seen coaches have from their players who try the tough guy style, and if the player doesn't believe that you care about him, the player is not going to work with you to make you better at your job. That's right, Dan-o. You gotta have some amount of respect that's already baked in, Dan-o.

See, here's the deal with coaching hard, right? The player has to believe that you believe in them. You might say, hey, that sucked. Hey, get your head out of your ass. Hey, bring me more energy first thing in the morning. Wacka, wacka, wacka, wacka. But if you don't set that up with a little bit of hey, but I actually think you're really good at your job

when you're applying yourself, then it kind of feels like you think I suck. So that doesn't mean, folks, that Brian Flores is a terrible person, but from Tua's perspective, Brian Flores presented himself as a terrible person because it was always negative and none of the positive. And without that, how is Tua supposed to know, hey, I actually belong in this league? And as a result, Brian Flores has got to go. Back to you, Dan-O. What do you mean he's got to go? Flores has got to go!

Back to you, Dan-O! He's got to go, what do you mean, he's got to go? What, the Vikings have to fire? He had to go from Miami! As a result, he got to go. Caldwell spoke. I can't relate to getting disrespected at work. I don't know what to, I can't relate to this.

I know I can. I'm gonna have to do more research on this. Well, it's funny that you should say this because before the show, Stugatz, I caught, I think, Chris Cody in a bit of a tell. We were talking, we were asking some follow-up questions on the codes that the Oklahoma State players are gonna wear on the helmets to get donations to NIL.

And Chris Cody used the phrase while signing Tony work on research I was looking at an article he didn't use the word reading or retaining as a verb I was looking at an article and as executive producer he gave Tony the work of find out for me more about this story that I allegedly read, but I'm using the phrase I was looking at an article. Well done, Chris. I have looked at many articles. Don't we all look at articles?

Yeah. I envision you seeing an article and just looking at it. And that's all you did. You didn't actually read any of the story. Just the headline. That is, this is a crazy amount of commercial that college football is going when they're just putting the go fund Me right on the players helmets

You can't do it more commercially capitalistic than that it Hang on wait, so we just went from Chris being like I I can't imagine being shit on at work to Dan being like Let me just shit on you for something that just happened That's right, Jessica! That's explaining the show, Jessica. Two minutes, go ahead and sit in the penalty box. I'm sticking up for my friend.

That's unnecessary here. It seems like the QR code, you scan it and it doesn't go to the individual players, it goes to like the NIL collective. So like the fund is there, but still, don't talk to me about negotiating until December. I mean, hit some imaging. I don't have this imaging for giving away the goods of the show. Yes, he said he was disrespected all the time and then I shit on him.

That's exactly what happened. Didn't need the recap. Smells good. I also... I pun that work off to Fuente, so he's working on it. Okay. He's reading it? No, he's looking at an article.

We got the gist of it. What I gathered was you can select a player, but we don't know, I've just looked at it, I didn't read it. I don't know if it actually goes to that player. No, I just told you where it goes. It goes to the NIL fund. I read the article,

and the time you guys were talking about reading the article. No, no, Fuentes is still looking at it. Okay, we'll get to Fuentes then. I don't have the penalty I would need in order to... All right. Greg Cody, major penalty, five minutes, me maximum. That's not it. Nailed it.

She didn't do that. Right. I don't have one for the sound I would need to kick her out. QR codes on TV are really tricky. I hate them. And it says it's one and a half inches wide or tall. That's impossible. How are you supposed to pause your TV and then you get it and then you have to like

tap on it and then you have to hit the link underneath and then this is a lot of work. Also it's lazy. So the whole thing is we're selling our name, image and likeness right? So I'm you know Tony's autos right and it's like you know what I'd love to have the starting quarterback you know come in and do a little meet-and-greet No, no Tony just just tap that QR code throw some money in there and we'll see how it goes Thing is it's a moving targets on the back of their helmets and like they're stationary the entire time like Ollie Gordon's in The cut like making a minute you're like, oh Damn it. Maybe after a concussion just laid out on the floor and oh there is well

Face up though. I'm genuinely curious about this. I think I told you, the movie Don't Look Up on climate change, so many things happened in the world that Adam McKay had to cut out of a fictional movie because they actually happened during the time of the pandemic, and so he had to cut out all of those jokes.

If we were to make a movie about college football and its commercialization, if I was trying to write something for 90 days from now, I couldn't write something as funny as we're just putting the codes on the helmets. Like we're just, we're gonna ask for these people to be more humanized while making them play 40 games in three weeks and making sure that we can

find their helmet donation site with the laser on our phone in order to make sure that college football doesn't have to pay its own players. They're just crowd sourcing it all. In football's defense, they put N races on helmets and that works. So this should work too. Stugaccio for my friends over at Simply Safe. If you're like me, you're constantly thinking about the safety of the people and things you value most. After a friend told me about a break-in in his home in which many of his most valuable

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Stay tuned because you'll hear more about DraftKings and all it has to offer throughout the show. DraftKings, the crown is yours. Dan Leotard. Go ahead Billy, ask him your question. Is gymnastics possibly corrupt? Oh wow. Stugats.

I got some phlegm in my mouth, yeah. It's okay. Yeah. Is gymnastics possibly corrupt? This is Dan Leotard show with the Stugarts. The Return of the Rejoin with some canned music here. I miss a rejoin man. This is canned music, this is our musical. Almost Grammy nominated.

Almost. Almost Grammy nominated. That's right, David Sampson of Nothing Personal is with us. You can catch his show every day, 8 a.m. live. He does a solo show unlike any that I've seen in the sports media market where he's just flying through 50 minutes by himself doing a lot of stuff that other people are not doing. Can we play some video for him, please,

of Robert De Niro because, Sampson, we were discussing earlier this week, De Niro because Samson we were discussing earlier this week De Niro is he a top five movie star for you of all time yes or no question no elaboration no hmm all right let's get this video here of Robert De Niro jumping off a boat because his last ten years have not been excellent personified. Let's see what we've got here. Oh, whoa, he's so crazy. Yes. So crazy. Yes, that is a late 80s.

Looks like he got pushed. Early 80s Robert De Niro. Where do you place him in the pantheon there, Samson? Well, it's way too much splash. So that entry to the water was well below average, but maybe he's trying to entertain his new child. So that could have been what he was doing. But if you're asking as an actor,

he's certainly done some amazing movies and amazing roles that I've loved, but I think his reputation is far greater had he not lived this long and done this many bad movies. I think that's hurt him. Can we watch the dive again? I'm sorry. It just does, it's very uncoordinated.

I would be concerned if this were my grandpa or my father, which he could be both or my husband. There shouldn't be an 80 year old jumping from this height. That seems generally unsound. By the way, if you look, his shorts go down. In the water. He has to pull them back up. So we could have almost seen a little bald eagle. Really? A little bald eagle? Dan, I'm watching the replays of this video.

I don't think he jumped. I think the word you want to give is plummeted. He plummeted. I think he fell. Yeah, he fell off. Twist and turns are plenty on that billionaire missing boat situation Yes, we did. I saw that we can get to that later

I feel like there would be more panic if he fell it seemed like people were like Crazy He seems fine Billy What are the updates in the billionaire missing billionaire story is it indeed an inside job because I really do think that Stugats at All time has a heist movie playing in his head. Well, so it turns out that a water spout just came out of nowhere and attacked this boat. What are you putting in your hand?

Do you know what a water spout is? Inside job. They all come out of nowhere. No, I know, but this is the only boat that was hit. So like this boat that was filled with the billionaire that is now missing and a number of powerful people, some of which had kind of some questionable situations going on behind the scenes.

This water spout just went and hit this boat, sunk the boat, and then didn't damage anything else. It's almost as though somehow this water spout knew. So not an inside job. Well, mm. So I was right. Here's the thing about water spouts. Itsy Bitsy Spider survived.

Mm-hmm. I don't think that that's the thing about water spouts. Itsy Bitsy Spider survived. I don't think that that's a thing about water spouts. You keep believing the water spout theory, okay? Because the more ridiculous the theory is, the more likely I am to tell you inside job. I mean, who's gonna buy that? Get out of here. Again, the Heist movie is playing on an endless loop.

Water spout. It's still got his head. Samson, did you find Brian Flores is reaction yesterday as interesting as I did? I led this morning. It's nothing personal with it. And the reason I did is it blew me away the way he felt he had to have two players and I've had the conversation when you want to

get players in onto a dais and how difficult it is to do. And he needed two players by his side is some sort of show of strength. And you touched on it earlier in the show. I don't think it made him look stronger when he talked about how genuinely happy is for two or when he mentioned the fact that he has nothing against him. He wishes him nothing but the best. And by the way, look at the leadership and friendship I got to my left and my right. I think it made him look weaker though. We did have to address the media. I would have preferred a far different approach, which was, Hey, listen, uh, there

were a lot of reasons it didn't work out in Miami to his play was part of that, but not the entire thing. I obviously have moved on and I'm all about the Vikings. I don't think I needed to hear him say I've corrected and I've improved and I wanna be better. I think it was a bunch of horse hockey. Wait a minute, why would you be against accountability there? You want him to just.

For what, Dan? For him not liking Tua? For his quarterback saying he's a terrible person who spent a lot of time negative coaching him. Dan, do you want everyone who works for you coming out and saying that you're a terrible person if they think it or if they don't think it, then you're gonna sit there and explain

that you're not a terrible person? I want to keep my job and climb in the ranks of dreaming. Like this is a man who wants to coach in the NFL again as a head coach. What are you shaking your head no about? He sued the league. He shouldn't have a job to begin with. I can't believe any team gave him a job.

He should be thankful that he's a defensive coordinator of any team. But that's why his tone was what it was though, David. He's grateful to be in the league. He understands he's on the fringes of the league with a few friends and he's trying to make sure he stays in the league well he doesn't get an oscar for that performance in my mind it was almost

eighty five-year-old dinero like i think it was so obvious the sunglasses being flanked by two players and then saying i've corrected myself i've improved myself i don't know why he needed to improve himself because he's friends with the guys in the equipment room and all the kitchen staff and over 21 years, he's got tons of players who love him and look at my two buddies next to me.

I love the idea and the visual of all of us crushing Dan and Dan holding a press conference and he walks up on the stage with Mike Malley and Ethan. I mean, crossing their arms. Exactly what it is. It's almost absurd. It would be you having like the video team next to you and saying, look at me. I'm the nicest guy in the world. It's Lewis and GQ back there. No one would believe that. What do you make of what it is that, uh, that happened then? Because you're sitting here telling us that you don't, you never believe that management should look vulnerable, do you?

That's interesting. There are times, yes, when a player of yours dies, I would say there's vulnerability that is shown. That was real, but I can't think of another example, not of trades or lack of performance. It takes death for you to care. The body has to be dead for you to care about it. I would say as management, when you are front-facing,

I think death is a very important condition precedent. David, let me ask, were you? You guys are gonna let that slide, that's the line that the line on him caring is once you're in the coffin and you don't require his care anymore. Like, he don't know. That's what he starts caring.

That he cares when it's literally too late. You're incorrect. And I do not resemble those comments. I care very deeply about those left behind. I care very deeply about when there's tragedy and when there is death. But when do leagues step up? When a hurricane, if it's one water spout with one boat, you're not gonna get the union and the league

getting together to make a donation. You get a water spout that takes out 20 boats and a thousand people, and you'll get a collective donation and a press conference. So we need a thousand people to die, got it. David, are you upset about what he said or are you upset about the format in which he said it? Meaning, have he had a sit down with Dan to rebut?

And within that sit down, he says some of the vulnerable stuff that he said in that press conference. Would you feel better about that? Well, for sure, because that's what sit downs with Dan are is you get comfortable, then is, you know, you get you get comfortable, then you get vulnerable, and you get the sort of puppet strings pulled, and all of a sudden you got headlines. I'm disappointed with what Flores did, because he had to react. The Vikings told him he had to do it, that he had to meet the media. They told them

to find players, and they asked the players to do it. That is most certainly how it happened, but I'm disappointed with the tone because what is he being conciliatory toward toward a player who didn't like them toward the fact that his team stunk? I wasn't David an assistant coach in that league who's got a lawsuit against the league cannot have all of the players believing he's an asshole and an unearned asshole on top of that. Like he can't have every, he will not have the respect of any players.

What Tua just did to him is damaging in a way that gets to other players because Tua is not that the quarterback position doesn't do that. And Tua specifically, everyone knows he's a decent person. So when he does it, the words carry more weight. But in his defense, he's been on two teams since, and he's coached other players, right? I'm sure there's every coach in the league has a player, at least one, thinking

they're a giant asshole, right? So this is just the one that vocalizes it. Yeah, but that's a big difference in that sport. It's like the Army. Do you think that there's people on teams that are like, well, I don't know about this Brian Flores, but as soon as Tua said he's an asshole, like, well, I can't play for this Brian Flores, but as soon as Tua said he's an asshole, like, well, I can't play for him.

Their coach is probably an asshole. Yeah, but nobody says that publicly. Like, it's a huge difference. The idea that you would say it out loud, on the record, unequivocally, makes it way worse than just the prevailing notion that everyone's got an asshole. But he also waited till he had job security to do that.

Yes, he did. Of course. And success. And new teeth. And money. It's very interesting to me that Tua decided to do this now and decided in the way in which he did it. And I think that if you asked him in a moment of truth, he would tell you that he would prefer that not to have been said.

Why do you think that? Because that's a type of distraction. McDaniel had to deal with it. They're about to start a season. There's no upside to what Tua did. It's great for content. It's a great interview. What's the downside? What's the downside in his locker room? Is that the current coaches look at him and say, okay, so now I am subject to this possibility that if I coach him in a way that he doesn't like as his quarterback's coach, offensive coordinator, or head coach, I am at risk of him going public and it in some way possibly forcing me to respond or even hurting my credibility.

Yeah, but you're just in, you just at every turn, David, figure out ways for the power to retain the power. It doesn't allow the power to shift in an organization that became a possibility the moment that they guaranteed him that much of the money he can do that whenever he wants now because he's got the job security that Stu got to only criticize him if he does this with the job security Stu gots wants it to be better Stu gots wants it to be Kaepernick say something that gets you run out of the league because you believe in it so much so I I also believe that Tua was emboldened by the fact that he got the

guaranteed money and it sort of made him be a little bit more loose and then you put you in the equation and all of a sudden you've got the headline. But I still find it to be questionable and I don't think it's a positive. Are you telling me that someone in that contain any of you think that this was positive for the Dolphins in any way? I just don't see how negative it is. I don't... filing stuff under distractions is so tired. It's so tired. The idea that you would... that anything that will happen in the first week of the season will be impacted by what Tua said ten days out. I think Tua's fans liked it too. I mean I think that they... this is probably something that they wanted to hear because now they feel like

justified in sort of like the narrative that Mike McDaniel's been the savior for two, which, which I'm not saying is false, but you know, I think this was something his fans probably liked hearing. It's also, it also shows personality too, like in a way that we've never seen to his personality before. Now he's saying things that are outspoken. Like when have we ever heard anything from Tua outside of this contract negotiation,

outside of show me the money, and now this conversation, like I haven't heard anything of Tua. What I hear of Tua is when he's protecting himself and getting new training so he's not gonna get concussions, all that happening when he doesn't have the long-term security, and now you're marrying that with this long-term contract that he got. And then with now giving him credit for being outspoken,

I'm not sure that bringing up dirty laundry, players don't actually appreciate that when other players do it. And you're right, Dan, distractions don't last longer than the current media cycle, which will end very shortly as soon as we stop covering it. But at the end of the day, players talk about that stuff inside the locker room in the current media cycle, which will end very shortly as soon as we stop covering it. But at the end of the day, players talk about that stuff inside the locker room and the clubhouse. They don't wanna go on the dais and support Flores. They don't wanna be asked about Flores or about McDaniel, which Dolphins players are now asked about.

It becomes a thing they just don't wanna be bothered with. All two have said was he prefers a particular style of coaching. He's not saying he wouldn't play for an asshole coach. He is saying he prefers his coach, his boss, to be nice when he shows up every single day. I think Joe Rose, the big dog, said it best this morning. Why are we still talking about this?

I think the thing with 202, as much as we want to praise, like, oh, look how expoken he is. Look at his personality. Look at this. Ultimately, anyone, what they want down here is for him to win a playoff game. Like, if he doesn't win a playoff game, be as outspoken as you want.

Like, I don't want to hear it from you. Win a playoff game. He also called him a terrible person. Yeah, that's right. I wonder if you would, I honestly wonder if you would take back as strong as he was if you were to ask him again. Because he seems in interviews that you've seen

as like a decent person and like calling someone saying you're a jerk whatever like terrible person is like very personal and it feels like it goes a little bit farther than maybe intended but if you think to it is a decent guy if you think he's a good guy if you've never heard to it like that think how bad it must have been for to it for him to say you know what though I'd make a qualifier here on nuance. I don't think he actually meant to call Flora as a terrible person.

I think he was using the hypothetical. Imagine you wake up every morning and you have a terrible person behind you saying bad things all the time. I didn't actually think that he was directing that. That is kind of implying if he said it that way. I know, but he was trying to make, I asked him to explain it to me in practical terms and he says

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